[00:00] Mooqi: It depends I guess... some cards like Nvidia and ATI/AMD have programs that can help with the problem, if not, then it depends on what your larger monitor can handle for a resolution (some large screens can't handle smaller resolutions in a nice way) [00:00] Installing [00:02] SIR_Taco: so this means there is no "easy" way by changing something in the system configuration? i mean, i can only compare it to windows and here i am using a large tv and a small flatscreen with an extended desktop just fine. anyways: would you recommend searching for a ubuntu specific software when i know what gfx card the notebook uses? [00:04] Mooqi: Xinermama is one to look for (if it's not already installed), but you need to realize that just because your TV might be 60 inches... the resolution might be equal to or less than your 19 inch monitor.... [00:04] **Xinerama [00:05] SIR_Taco: okay, I understand. thx for your help! i will test this prog tomorrow. [00:05] Mooqi: not a problem [00:05] phoenix_firebrd: OK VLC is installed and running. [00:06] Num83rGuy: play any audio using vlc and check for sound [00:08] No sound though I still get sound from quassel [00:09] Kmix only shows "Dummy Output" [00:10] Num83rGuy: oh [00:10] Num83rGuy: goto phonon settings [00:10] Done [00:11] yofel, when are you planing to release 4.7.3 for 11.10 ? [00:11] Num83rGuy: goto audi hardware setup tab [00:11] Num83rGuy: what is selected in profile [00:12] Both drop boxes are empty and have no options. [00:12] Num83rGuy: is your soundcard shown there? [00:12] No sound card. [00:13] Num83rGuy: paste the lsmod here [00:13] Num83rGuy: the output [00:13] no... to paste.kde.com [00:14] SIR_Taco: thats what i meant [00:14] er paste.kde.org sorry [00:14] http://paste.kde.org/142436/ [00:15] Yeah, I have got the warning before about pasting large walls of text. [00:17] hello [00:17] hi [00:18] Num83rGuy: try this sudo alsa force-reload [00:21] OK now I have sound from everything now to check my back plugs because my speakers are still silent. [00:23] Great the back plugs are all dead [00:23] Num83rGuy: sudo kate /etc/pulse/daemon.conf [00:24] Num83rGuy: wait [00:25] Num83rGuy: goto phonon settings [00:25] OK I haven't done anything yet === MeanderingCode is now known as MeanderingCode_a [00:25] There [00:25] Num83rGuy: is your soundcard listed there? === MeanderingCode_a is now known as MeanderingC_away [00:25] in the hardware tab yes. [00:26] Num83rGuy: what's in profile === MeanderingC_away is now known as MeanderingCode [00:27] analog stereo duplex [00:28] Num83rGuy: do you have anything else there? [00:29] A lot, many 5.1 and stereo options and a 7.1 [00:29] Num83rGuy: thats good [00:30] Go through them and see whick work? [00:30] Num83rGuy: wait [00:30] OK [00:31] Num83rGuy: select analog 5.1 output +analog stereo input [00:32] Num83rGuy: apply button [00:32] OK [00:33] Num83rGuy: check if you get sound in the back panel jacks [00:34] hey i have a repeatable bug, but i'm not sure i can report it.. it's in the installer CD [00:34] No sound [00:36] I made sure they were plugged in to the right one too. [00:36] Num83rGuy: run alsamixer in terminal [00:36] had 2 different burns of the installer cd (x64, 11.10) fail at the same point. every time i try to tell it to assign / to a specific drive partition it fails. disk check reveals no errors though [00:37] OK alsamixer is up. [00:38] eristikophiles: which disk check did you do? [00:39] the one included with the cd [00:39] i'm going to d/l a dvd install image instead now [00:39] i can't find any apps in the cd [00:40] Num83rGuy: check if all the volume is not in mute and all the volumes are up [00:40] Done and still no sound. [00:40] Well from the speakers. [00:41] Num83rGuy: sudo kate /etc/pulse/daemon.conf [00:41] And no the head phones don't cut off the speakers I have tried with and with out them plugged in. [00:41] eristikophiles: that checks the CD, not your hard drive... are you sure your harddrive is good? [00:41] i'm trying to install on a drive that had a really buggy ubuntu system on it, doing a clean wipe. [00:42] yeah i'll try and see if the dvd installer can check the hd [00:42] Num83rGuy: if you dont mind can you paste a snapshot of your alsamixer [00:42] phoenix_firebrd: OK it's open. [00:42] eristikophiles: if the pervious install was wonky, and your new install wont work... makes me think you have harddrive issues [00:43] eristikophiles: possibly RAM issues, but more likely HD issues [00:45] Num83rGuy: you there? [00:46] Yes up loading screen shot. [00:46] nah it's not RAM, windows boots fine [00:46] (it's on another drive) [00:47] And I have the file open. [00:47] i've had this box play smacx in windows [00:47] eristikophiles: I'd test the drive, seems odd [00:47] ..which isn't like, heavy anymore (10 y/o game) but it'd definitely crash if there were RAM issues [00:47] yeah [00:47] Num83rGuy: let me see the snapshot first [00:48] http://i.imgur.com/bRGcC.png [00:48] i'll burn an install DVD first, just in case. [00:50] anyone know when 4.7.3 will be pushed to the repos? [00:50] Num83rGuy: oooooh... I'm in a screeshot :) [00:51] Yup. [00:51] Num83rGuy: ok goto the line enable-remixing = yes and add ; in front of the line and save it [00:51] OK [00:52] Done [00:52] Num83rGuy: kill the pulseaudio once [00:52] Num83rGuy: check for sound again [00:53] Num83rGuy: out of curiousity... when you are in alsamixer... if you hit 'F2' and select "Cards" what is shown? [00:53] png is acceptable [00:55] 1 min [00:55] http://i.imgur.com/HhyOC.png [00:56] Num83rGuy: ok that's good [00:59] Num83rGuy: did you kill pulseaudio once? [00:59] Yes [00:59] Num83rGuy: no sound yet? [01:00] Not from the speakers. [01:00] Num83rGuy: goto phonon settings [01:00] ok open [01:00] Num83rGuy: auto hardware setup [01:01] ok [01:01] Num83rGuy: change the profile to analog surround 7.1 + analog stereo input [01:02] Num83rGuy: check for sound again [01:02] like a virgin [01:04] No sound and I also just plugged my speakers in to an mp3 player and they work . [01:04] Doubble checked the plug too it's the right one. [01:05] Num83rGuy: did you get sound in the back panel jacks in 11.04? [01:05] yes. [01:07] Num83rGuy: then it is very much a driver conflict or a driver issue === level1 is now known as level1_ === level1_ is now known as level1__ [01:07] Hmmm. [01:08] hmmm [01:08] The onboard audio and HDMI audio are off in BIOS and the USB cam is unplugged. No other audio devices are attached. [01:09] Num83rGuy: yes I gathered that [01:10] is there some way of changing the task bar to the defaults? [01:10] Num83rGuy: how technical you you? [01:10] Quite I just forget the commands after a few days ;) [01:11] Num83rGuy- keep notes [01:11] i have a text file called commands.txt [01:12] I may do that. [01:12] any way to move the sidebar on 11.10? [01:12] Num83rGuy: not a problem.... I've never had an Audigy 2 card... is there a switch on the front to flip from front to back? [01:12] Num83rGuy: i just checked now, the chip of your card should be shown as emu10k1, but its wrongly shown [01:13] level1__: to where? [01:13] neo69: what do you mean by 'drfaults'? [01:13] bottom of the screen... its to annoying on the left side [01:13] SIR_Taco: No no switch. [01:13] level1__: you're using Ubuntu or Kubuntu? [01:14] Num83rGuy: listen to phoenix_firebrd [01:14] ubuntu [01:14] phoenix_firebrd: emu10k1 is being used. [01:14] level1__: I have no idea... have you tried #Ubuntu ? [01:15] Num83rGuy: then why is alsamixer showing the chip as sigmatel [01:15] I am starting to wonder if the plug on the card has shorted or otherwise gon bad. [01:15] duh... just realized where I am.. sorry about that [01:15] level1__: this is an Ubuntu distribution but it uses KDE not Gnome [01:15] It has always done that. === level1__ is now known as level1 === level1 is now known as level1_ === level1_ is now known as level1__ [01:16] Num83rGuy: you mean in 11.04? [01:16] Yes and before. === level1__ is now known as Leverl111 [01:16] 10.10 [01:16] Worked then too. [01:16] SIR_Taco: the way it comes when you first install kubuntu [01:17] Num83rGuy: Are you sure under: System Settings -> Multimedia -> Phonon -> ... everything is set to "Analog Steroe" or something similar? [01:18] SIR_Taco: some messed with the task bar (bottom bar) icons [01:18] Yes, I have tried all of them as we were talking. [01:18] neo69: you can remove the .kde directory... but all your settings will be lost too [01:18] I am going to reboot and use that other OS to see if I get sound. [01:19] Or do you want to try anything else first? [01:19] SIR_Taco: ok, thanks [01:19] Num83rGuy: try with other os [01:19] OK BRB [01:29] i am having problems with my kubuntu. "upgraded" to 11.10 from 11.04. did an apt-get of kubuntu theme so I could replace unity, things like muon sw center don't prompt for passwords but give me permission errors. what do i need to do to fix this? [01:30] <16WAASKOC> phoenix_firebrd: The other OS has perfect sound so it's not hardware. And now after reboot I have no sound front or back. [01:30] <16WAASKOC> I blame pulse === 16WAASKOC is now known as Num83rGuy [01:31] Hey I'm me again. [01:31] csdserver: you're moving from Ubuntu to Kubuntu? [01:32] yes sir [01:33] csdserver: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9369 [01:34] thanks I'll give that a go, hope i haven't messed anything up [01:35] Num83rGuy: your alsa setup seems to be corrupt [01:35] csdserver: it's a little old, but it should still work without problems [01:35] Num83rGuy: wait [01:37] Num83rGuy: you edited this file /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf right? [01:37] I believe so yes [01:38] Num83rGuy: can you paste the file here? [01:39] http://paste.kde.org/142460/ [01:44] Num83rGuy: try purge and reinstall alsa-base [01:44] SIR_Taco: As for my technical capability, I once made it 63% of the way through a Gentoo install. [01:45] Will do [01:46] phoenix_firebrd: done. [01:46] Num83rGuy: haha ok... I was just wondering if maybe the front panel was over-riding the back panel... ie: if headphones were plugged into the front, if the speakers would work out the back [01:46] sometimes it's the simple answer :) [01:47] Num83rGuy: sudo alsa force-reload [01:47] Num83rGuy: wait [01:47] SIR_Taco: yeah, they can both work at the same time the front jack has it's own volume knob. [01:47] Num83rGuy: could you restart the system and try [01:47] OK BRB [01:52] phoenix_firebrd: Didn't work [01:53] Num83rGuy_: sudo alsa force-reload [01:54] phoenix_firebrd: Do you need me to install ALSA first? ;) [01:55] Num83rGuy_: you didnt install alsa-base before restart? [01:55] No you never said to. [01:55] Num83rGuy_: for Sh**s and giggles... have you unplugged/turned off the headphones (assuming from the front) while in linux and tried? (I had a laptop that didn't respect my headphones for some reason) [01:56] SIR_Taco: Yes I have. And I giggled while doing it. [01:56] Num83rGuy_: install it [01:56] Done Will now re boot. sorry [01:56] Num83rGuy_: wait [01:57] ok [01:57] Question --- does anyone know of a way to show column numbers in Kate?? (not line numbers) [01:57] Num83rGuy_: open jockey [01:58] OK I thought of that earler only my nvidia drivers are there [01:58] Num83rGuy_: only nvidia drivers? [01:58] H20: nope... I wasn't aware of that feature... might be something to google, if it exists [01:59] Yes for my video card. No audio or other drivers [01:59] phoenix_firebrd: EMU10K1 will not be under Jockey.... it's been a Kernel driver for more than 10 years (as I've said) [02:00] SIR_Taco: its not that [02:00] SIR_Taco: someone had the same issue and they had solved the problem by removing the software modem driver [02:00] Num83rGuy_: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart [02:01] sudo: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils: command not found [02:01] Num83rGuy_: wait [02:02] phoenix_firebrd: You are dedicated. [02:03] Num83rGuy_: if i solve your problem , i will have a solution and an experience that my help some others, also when i had these problems no one was that much interested [02:04] Num83rGuy_: sudo alsa-utils restart [02:04] phoenix_firebrd: My modem is used through the ethernet [02:04] sudo: alsa-utils: command not found [02:05] Num83rGuy_: your modem is a seperate box I assume? [02:06] SIR_Taco: yes DSL [02:06] Num83rGuy_: and you have no problem connecting (obviously.... ) [02:07] Num83rGuy_: sudo alsa force-reload [02:07] SIR_Taco: Other than my ISP being crap? No. [02:08] Num83rGuy_: I haven't found a solution to crap ISPs yet... working on it thought :) [02:09] SIR_Taco: mine too [02:09] SIR_Taco: i am having fup problem [02:10] Num83rGuy_: run the command? [02:10] phoenix_firebrd: Yes sound from the head phone but not speakers [02:11] Num83rGuy_: do you have the live cd ok kubuntu 11.10? [02:11] Num83rGuy_: even if you unplug the speakers? [02:11] Yes. [02:12] Num83rGuy_: I meant "even if you unpulg the headphones" [02:12] SIR_Taco: Head phone in or out no sound from speakers [02:12] ok [02:12] phoenix_firebrd: Yes i do. [02:12] Num83rGuy_: boot into it and check if you get the sound right , if you get it , then SIR_Taco will help you further else please file a bug [02:13] phoenix_firebrd: Ok no problem [02:13] Num83rGuy_: also check this out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1311725 [02:14] first time I've been suggested for a bug haha [02:15] SIR_Taco: is this your first time? [02:16] that's a loaded question, so no, I'm good [02:18] SIR_Taco: so can you help Num83rGuy / [02:18] SIR_Taco: i am going to take a break [02:20] ok [02:22] ok, question: at the installer, after selecting manual partitioning, at the bottom it has a selector for "Boot loader" where you choose which /dev to put it in.. you're supposed to use whatever is /boot, or whatever the base /dev is? should i pick /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb2 (which will be /root)? [02:23] guys [02:23] how do you install drupal on kubuntu ? [02:24] eristikophiles: intalling with an existing install? [02:24] i wiped the old data on the drive [02:25] ..there is windows on the other drive (i'm assigning its partitions mount points as /xppro /seven and /winstor [02:25] rotsy: which drupal are you wanting to install and which version of kubuntu do you have? [02:27] eristikophiles: then the boot partition is on your linux drive, but if it asks where to boot from (using the MBR) it's likely from your windows disk... which I would assume (from before) being your first disk [02:28] hm. i read on a forum post that i should *not* select the first drive, because then grub will overwrite my windows MBR [02:28] also, i will need to have it intact to install win7 later [02:28] ..i would do that first but i don't have it yet [02:28] eristikophiles: you do or don't have windows on the machine now? [02:28] yeah i do [02:29] there's one drive for windows. it's all windows. there's a different hd for kubuntu to use [02:29] anyway, specifically, what i want to know is this: do i select the device as a whole or the specific partition as the 'boot loader' site? [02:29] if you alter the MBR, the worst case is that Windows over-writes it... and you'll have to change it later [02:30] like, /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb2 [02:30] no, windows won't touch a grub MBR [02:30] i've had that happen before. it will just fail to boot [02:30] yea ok [02:30] anyway, you're not answering my actual question dude [02:31] eristikophiles: you're talking about a fresh new install I gather? [02:31] yeah [02:31] for kubuntu yes [02:32] if you don't care about losing any information on the drive than just partition it as you want, or just stick with the defaults [02:33] *sigh* no you don't get it. the partitioner wants input. it wants me to select from a list of devices [02:33] it has both /dev/sdb and all the partitions on that device [02:33] is 'boot loader' to be put on the device itself, or a partition? [02:33] that's all i want to know! [02:33] u think there is any way to fix the USB not working after resume from sleep bug? [02:33] redeight- don't let it sleep? [02:34] and there we have it! problem solved! [02:34] :) [02:34] lol. sorry redeight .. i can't think of a better way to avoid the issue though [02:34] SIR_Taco- you still there? [02:35] Oh yea I'm still here [02:35] i'm getting a bit frustrated because the installer tends to crash at this point in the process [02:35] if i can manage to pass over this bit and get to the next step, it might not crash.. so.. [02:35] yeah [02:35] so far the install DVD works better than the CD did. it only crashed once, and it's not crashing just from selecting stuff [02:35] but i would like an answer [02:36] the "boot loader" is a program [02:36] SIR_taco I'm installing drupal 7.9 [02:36] on kubuntu 11.10 [02:37] rotsy: then you'll have to download it and extract it manually... they should have a step-by-step how-to on the Drupal site [02:37] ok thanks [02:38] ok, i actually found an old forum post about this somewhere, but only after typing a truly ridiculously complicated search pattern (not a more refined one, just one that's kinda silly) [02:38] eristikophiles: (not trying to be an ass, because I have no idea what you do or do not know)Do you understand what Grub is about and what it needs? [02:39] yeah, i know what grub is [02:39] it's ok [02:40] the issue is more that the installer app has the option to select /dev/sdb rather than a specific partition [02:40] eristikophiles: it's offering you sdb for which option? [02:40] there's just a stupid thing saying "boot loader" at the bottom [02:41] it doesn't explain anything. [02:41] is there an "advanced" option? [02:41] no [02:41] this apparently is advanced. it's the manual option for partitioning [02:41] i set the partition tables like i want [02:42] (actually i did that earlier in kde's partition manager app) [02:42] eristikophiles: so you've already set the paritions as you want? [02:42] it seems to be installing fine [02:42] yeah, i just don't understand why it wants a distinct 'where do i put the boot loader' selection lol [02:43] ..i'm thinking that either 1) the boot loader will be placed on /dev/sdb itself in an area i don't see as a partition, but the BIOS will see, or 2) the boot loader goes in /boot and is stored in normal drive space [02:44] i figured 1 will work because the forum post i read said to use it that way [02:44] i'm only a bit worried that i should have perhaps left some space to the beginning of /dev/sdb1 in order for it to fit, but maybe it does that automatically [02:44] i mean we're talking a few kb here right? [02:44] eristikophiles: for recovery reason, it's suggested to have your boot image on a separate partition. (specifically on a seperate hard drive.... if it were to fail, you'd still be able to boot and hopefully recover data) [02:45] yeah, i have /dev/sdb1 as swap, /dev/sdb2 as /boot, /dev/sdb4 is extended (number skipped)- inside is /dev/sdb5-7 which are /, /home, and /stor [02:45] i like to use a /stor partition for my actual data [02:46] Torch: The moment has arrived! I'm about to test the transfer [02:46] eristikophiles: yes, but since they're all on the same HD... you're screwed if the drive dies [02:46] i did that on my netbook and it's so much nicer to know that i can say, install kubuntu clean over everything yet not lose normal stored data, just apps and settings at most [02:47] well i can't do much about that really [02:47] i try to keep backups :) [02:47] anyway this particular box i'm setting up has another drive, which runs windows, and works fine [02:47] so i should at the least be able to figure a way to boot windows and take a look and see what the linux drive is like [02:48] eristikophiles: there aren't much non-paid linux FS stuff for Windows [02:49] yeah, that's really more of a last resort. i'd probably end up having to pull the drive out, stick it in a usb enclosure, and look at it on this box [02:49] lol [02:50] or use a LiveCD [02:50] my old winbox died (blown PSU i think, but no time to really mess with it for awhile). i did that to its drives. they both work fine [02:50] heh, yeah. there is that. it actually has built-in DVD drives [02:50] ..my other boxen i just plug in one with usb [02:51] i prefer a modular approach to stuff like that. as much as i can it's all external, plugged [02:51] I'm still trying to figure out why my trs80 wont work with my monitor [02:53] that's some seriously oldschool hw [02:53] i don't suppose you can write drivers? [02:53] :) [02:58] anyway, you'd think that monitors are too simple to not work, but generally *anything* can go wrong of course ;) [03:01] haha totally broke it. boots only to the grub rescue prompt... [03:01] time to fix [03:28] SIR_Taco: I booted into both a 11.04 and an 11.10 live CD of Kubuntu and the sound does work with the speakers untill I touch the test button in the phonon kcm. At which time all sound output stops untill reboot. [03:29] SIR_Taco: I also purged pulse and reenabled the on board audio. The speakers still did not work on the SB but, did with the on board audio with the execption of Chrome [03:31] Num83rGuy_: have you picked your default aduio device in Phonon? [03:31] SIR_Taco: I then reinstalled pulse and now I am back to square one sound from the SB front headphone jack and no where else. [03:31] mr-rich: Yes [03:32] Num83rGuy_: you moved the default device up to the top and SAVED/APPLIED the settings? [03:32] SIR_Taco: In fact the on board audio has disapeared from the list of cards after I reinstalled pulse. [03:32] mr-rich: Yes [03:32] Num83rGuy_: just checking ... :) [03:33] mr-rich: The SB Audugy card refuses to output from the rear and now the on board audio is gone though I reenabled it in BIOS. [03:34] mr-rich: We have been trying for hours to get it to work. [03:34] hello [03:35] mr-rich: I would set pulse on fire and laugh at it if it were a physical thing. [03:35] mr-rich: I Shouls burn the packages to disk then stomp them. [03:35] Num83rGuy_: you and me both ... [03:52] I can't open system settings since I installed the Roboto font as a system font...is there another way to delete the font? [04:00] i removed the fonts from /usr/local/share/fonts/r/ where it had been installed but i'm still unable to open systemsettings [04:00] also tried removing systemsettingsrc from ~/.kde/share/config/ [04:00] no luck [04:37] Any devs in here? [04:38] SIR_Taco: Are you still available? [04:40] Ok well who knows anything about SB Audigy sound cards and pulseaudio? [04:42] I guess I will have to file a bug report. [04:46] hello? anyone here? [04:49] Bibo: the devs dont frequent here [04:49] Bibo: what do you need [04:50] oh I made a grub theme that fits with kubuntu, and I was wondering if they could include it [04:54] Bibo: you're free to publish your theme on the internet if you want [04:54] but its unlikely that it'll be included by default [04:54] just sayin [04:54] oh I already published it [04:54] yeah it was worth a try though [04:54] :P [04:55] It'd be awesome to see something I contributed get included by default [06:43] How can I contact the ops in #kde? [06:47] why do you need to? [06:49] i seem to be banned there, but I've never been there at all [06:57] someone with the same nick prolly [06:57] hm wait [06:57] is your nick registered? [06:57] nm you are [06:58] are you sure you don't actually want to be in ##kde? [06:58] haha i hadn't been there since June [06:58] ..anyway no it's not ##kde [06:58] the only op there is chanserv [06:59] anyway, i have no idea who the ops are there. if you do know of one, PM them. but i suspect they don't want people doing that [06:59] maybe ask an ircop? [07:00] Okay, I have another stupid question: is there a way to speed up resuming from standby in Kubuntu? It currently takes about 20 seconds for Plasma to become responsive after resuming and unlocking the screen. [07:02] andycc- what kind of hard drive do you have? also how much RAM? [07:02] hard drive spin speed could be more significant than any software issue here [07:03] that assumes you've left it on standby for long enough to stop spinning the hd [07:03] might check power settings for that [07:03] eristikophiles: I doubt hardware is at fault. Fedora with Gnome 3 fully resumes in about 8 seconds, and Ubuntu in about 12. Kubuntu takes around 30 in total, more or less. [07:04] also, if your system is slow, or you just don't care about stuff like animations, install low-fat [07:04] i just locked my system then unlocked it. [07:04] it took about .5 seconds to come back [07:04] eristikophiles: are you able to join? maybe you could ask "how can a user appeal a ban" [07:05] sure, if anyone's there. [07:05] which it doesn't look like [07:05] eristikophiles: well, yeah, but I'm resuming here, not unlocking - the hardware needs to be restarted and everything. [07:05] thanks. #kde? [07:05] i asked for you but not sure whether any reply tonight [07:05] yeah i know #kde [07:06] how many users [07:06] andycc- ok true. but more aptly, on my netbook the resume speed is like, a full second maybe [07:06] i'm guessing that my power settings aren't like yours [07:06] that you turn off more things than i do === icetea is now known as Guest34095 [07:09] eristikophiles: probably not, my power settings look pretty typical. [07:09] eristikophiles: there is no HDD spin down option there, by the way. [07:10] huh [07:11] yeah i guess you're right. i haven't messed with that stuff in awhile [07:24] eristikophiles: okay, I think I might have solved it. === zz_Kalidarn is now known as Kalidarn === zz_Kalidarn is now known as Kalidarn [07:36] cool andycc === alse is now known as shinigami [08:47] how do i allow firefox to modify data in root [08:48] why would youwant to do that? [08:49] it's not a normal request but starting firefox with kdesu might do it? === asus is now known as Guest66064 [09:02]