[00:00] <SIR_Taco> Mooqi: It depends I guess... some cards like Nvidia and ATI/AMD have programs that can help with the problem, if not, then it depends on what your larger monitor can handle for a resolution (some large screens can't handle smaller resolutions in a nice way)
[00:00] <Num83rGuy> Installing
[00:02] <Mooqi> SIR_Taco: so this means there is no "easy" way by changing something in the system configuration? i mean, i can only compare it to windows and here i am using a large tv and a small flatscreen with an extended desktop just fine. anyways: would you recommend searching for a ubuntu specific software when i know what gfx card the notebook uses?
[00:04] <SIR_Taco> Mooqi: Xinermama is one to look for (if it's not already installed), but you need to realize that just because your TV might be 60 inches... the resolution might be equal to or less than your 19 inch monitor....
[00:04] <SIR_Taco> **Xinerama
[00:05] <Mooqi> SIR_Taco: okay, I understand. thx for your help! i will test this prog tomorrow.
[00:05] <SIR_Taco> Mooqi: not a problem
[00:05] <Num83rGuy> phoenix_firebrd: OK VLC is installed and running.
[00:06] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: play any audio using vlc and check for sound
[00:08] <Num83rGuy> No sound though I still get sound from quassel
[00:09] <Num83rGuy> Kmix only shows "Dummy Output"
[00:10] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: oh
[00:10] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: goto phonon settings
[00:10] <Num83rGuy> Done
[00:11] <soee> yofel, when are you planing to release 4.7.3 for 11.10 ?
[00:11] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: goto audi hardware setup tab
[00:11] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: what is selected in profile
[00:12] <Num83rGuy> Both drop boxes are empty and have no options.
[00:12] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: is your soundcard shown there?
[00:12] <Num83rGuy> No sound card.
[00:13] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: paste the lsmod here
[00:13] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: the output
[00:13] <SIR_Taco> no... to paste.kde.com
[00:14] <phoenix_firebrd> SIR_Taco: thats what i meant
[00:14] <SIR_Taco> er paste.kde.org sorry
[00:14] <Num83rGuy> http://paste.kde.org/142436/
[00:15] <Num83rGuy> Yeah, I have got the warning before about pasting large walls of text.
[00:17] <pedro> hello
[00:17] <wildoso> hi
[00:18] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy:  try this sudo alsa force-reload
[00:21] <Num83rGuy> OK now I have sound from everything now to check my back plugs because my speakers are still silent.
[00:23] <Num83rGuy> Great the back plugs are all dead
[00:23] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: sudo kate /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
[00:24] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: wait
[00:25] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: goto phonon settings
[00:25] <Num83rGuy> OK I haven't done anything yet
[00:25] <Num83rGuy> There
[00:25] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: is your soundcard listed there?
[00:25] <Num83rGuy> in the hardware tab yes.
[00:26] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: what's in profile
[00:27] <Num83rGuy> analog stereo duplex
[00:28] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: do you have anything else there?
[00:29] <Num83rGuy> A lot, many 5.1 and stereo options and a 7.1
[00:29] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: thats good
[00:30] <Num83rGuy> Go through them and see whick work?
[00:30] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: wait
[00:30] <Num83rGuy> OK
[00:31] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: select analog 5.1 output +analog stereo input
[00:32] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: apply button
[00:32] <Num83rGuy> OK
[00:33] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: check if you get sound in the back panel jacks
[00:34] <eristikophiles> hey i have a repeatable bug, but i'm not sure i can report it.. it's in the installer CD
[00:34] <Num83rGuy> No sound
[00:36] <Num83rGuy> I made sure they were plugged in to the right one too.
[00:36] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: run alsamixer in terminal
[00:36] <eristikophiles> had 2 different burns of the installer cd (x64, 11.10) fail at the same point. every time i try to tell it to assign / to a specific drive partition it fails. disk check reveals no errors though
[00:37] <Num83rGuy> OK alsamixer is up.
[00:38] <SIR_Taco> eristikophiles: which disk check did you do?
[00:39] <eristikophiles> the one included with the cd
[00:39] <eristikophiles> i'm going to d/l a dvd install image instead now
[00:39] <eristikophiles> i can't find any apps in the cd
[00:40] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: check if all the volume is not in mute and all the volumes are up
[00:40] <Num83rGuy> Done and still no sound.
[00:40] <Num83rGuy> Well from the speakers.
[00:41] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: sudo kate /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
[00:41] <Num83rGuy> And no the head phones don't cut off the speakers I have tried with and with out them plugged in.
[00:41] <SIR_Taco> eristikophiles: that checks the CD, not your hard drive... are you sure your harddrive is good?
[00:41] <eristikophiles> i'm trying to install on a drive that had a really buggy ubuntu system on it, doing a clean wipe.
[00:42] <eristikophiles> yeah i'll try and see if the dvd installer can check the hd
[00:42] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: if you dont mind can you paste a snapshot of your alsamixer
[00:42] <Num83rGuy> phoenix_firebrd: OK it's open.
[00:42] <SIR_Taco> eristikophiles: if the pervious install was wonky, and your new install wont work... makes me think you have harddrive issues
[00:43] <SIR_Taco> eristikophiles: possibly RAM issues, but more likely HD issues
[00:45] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: you there?
[00:46] <Num83rGuy> Yes up loading screen shot.
[00:46] <eristikophiles> nah it's not RAM, windows boots fine
[00:46] <eristikophiles> (it's on another drive)
[00:47] <Num83rGuy> And I have the file open.
[00:47] <eristikophiles> i've had this box play smacx in windows
[00:47] <SIR_Taco> eristikophiles: I'd test the drive, seems odd
[00:47] <eristikophiles> ..which isn't like, heavy anymore (10 y/o game) but it'd definitely crash if there were RAM issues
[00:47] <eristikophiles> yeah
[00:47] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: let me see the snapshot first
[00:48] <Num83rGuy> http://i.imgur.com/bRGcC.png
[00:48] <eristikophiles> i'll burn an install DVD first, just in case.
[00:50] <Belial`> anyone know when 4.7.3 will be pushed to the repos?
[00:50] <SIR_Taco> Num83rGuy: oooooh... I'm in a screeshot :)
[00:51] <Num83rGuy> Yup.
[00:51] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: ok goto the line enable-remixing = yes and add ; in front of the line and save it
[00:51] <Num83rGuy> OK
[00:52] <Num83rGuy> Done
[00:52] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: kill the pulseaudio once
[00:52] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: check for sound again
[00:53] <SIR_Taco>  Num83rGuy: out of curiousity... when you are in alsamixer... if you hit 'F2' and select "Cards" what is shown?
[00:53] <SIR_Taco> png is acceptable
[00:55] <Num83rGuy> 1 min
[00:55] <Num83rGuy> http://i.imgur.com/HhyOC.png
[00:56] <SIR_Taco> Num83rGuy: ok that's good
[00:59] <phoenix_firebrd>  Num83rGuy: did you kill pulseaudio once?
[00:59] <Num83rGuy> Yes
[00:59] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: no sound yet?
[01:00] <Num83rGuy> Not from the speakers.
[01:00] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: goto phonon settings
[01:00] <Num83rGuy> ok open
[01:00] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: auto hardware setup
[01:01] <Num83rGuy> ok
[01:01] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: change the profile to analog surround 7.1 + analog stereo input
[01:02] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: check for sound again
[01:02] <ubuntu> like a virgin
[01:04] <Num83rGuy> No sound and I also just plugged my speakers in to an mp3 player and they work .
[01:04] <Num83rGuy> Doubble checked the plug too it's the right one.
[01:05] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: did you get sound in the back panel jacks in 11.04?
[01:05] <Num83rGuy> yes.
[01:07] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: then it is very much a driver conflict or a driver issue
[01:07] <Num83rGuy> Hmmm.
[01:08] <level1__> hmmm
[01:08] <Num83rGuy> The onboard audio and HDMI audio are off in BIOS and the USB cam is unplugged. No other audio devices are attached.
[01:09] <SIR_Taco> Num83rGuy: yes I gathered that
[01:10] <neo69> is there some way of changing the task bar to the defaults?
[01:10] <SIR_Taco> Num83rGuy: how technical you you?
[01:10] <Num83rGuy> Quite I just forget the commands after a few days ;)
[01:11] <eristikophiles> Num83rGuy- keep notes
[01:11] <eristikophiles> i have a text file called commands.txt
[01:12] <Num83rGuy> I may do that.
[01:12] <level1__> any way to move the sidebar on 11.10?
[01:12] <SIR_Taco> Num83rGuy: not a problem.... I've never had an Audigy 2 card... is there a switch on the front to flip from front to back?
[01:12] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: i just checked now, the chip of your card should be shown as emu10k1, but its wrongly shown
[01:13] <SIR_Taco> level1__: to where?
[01:13] <SIR_Taco> neo69: what do you mean by 'drfaults'?
[01:13] <level1__> bottom of the screen... its to annoying on the left side
[01:13] <Num83rGuy> SIR_Taco: No no switch.
[01:13] <SIR_Taco> level1__: you're using Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[01:14] <SIR_Taco> Num83rGuy: listen to phoenix_firebrd
[01:14] <level1__> ubuntu
[01:14] <Num83rGuy> phoenix_firebrd: emu10k1 is being used.
[01:14] <SIR_Taco> level1__: I have no idea... have you tried #Ubuntu ?
[01:15] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: then why is alsamixer showing the chip as sigmatel
[01:15] <Num83rGuy> I am starting to wonder if the plug on the card has shorted or otherwise gon bad.
[01:15] <level1__> duh... just realized where I am.. sorry about that
[01:15] <SIR_Taco> level1__: this is an Ubuntu distribution but it uses KDE not Gnome
[01:15] <Num83rGuy> It has always done that.
[01:16] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: you mean in 11.04?
[01:16] <Num83rGuy> Yes and before.
[01:16] <Num83rGuy> 10.10
[01:16] <Num83rGuy> Worked then too.
[01:16] <neo69> SIR_Taco: the way it comes when you first install kubuntu
[01:17] <SIR_Taco> Num83rGuy: Are you sure under: System Settings -> Multimedia -> Phonon -> ... everything is set to "Analog Steroe" or something similar?
[01:18] <neo69> SIR_Taco: some messed with the task bar (bottom bar) icons
[01:18] <Num83rGuy> Yes, I have tried all of them as we were talking.
[01:18] <SIR_Taco> neo69: you can remove the .kde directory... but all your settings will be lost too
[01:18] <Num83rGuy> I am going to reboot and use that other OS to see if I get sound.
[01:19] <Num83rGuy> Or do you want to try anything else first?
[01:19] <neo69> SIR_Taco: ok, thanks
[01:19] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: try with other os
[01:19] <Num83rGuy> OK BRB
[01:29] <csdserver> i am having problems with my kubuntu. "upgraded" to 11.10 from 11.04.  did an apt-get of kubuntu  theme so I could replace unity, things like muon sw center don't prompt for passwords but give me permission errors.  what do i need to do to fix this?
[01:30] <16WAASKOC> phoenix_firebrd: The other OS has perfect sound so it's not hardware.  And now after reboot I have no sound front or back.
[01:30] <16WAASKOC> I blame pulse
[01:31] <Num83rGuy> Hey I'm me again.
[01:31] <SIR_Taco> csdserver: you're moving from Ubuntu to Kubuntu?
[01:32] <csdserver> yes sir
[01:33] <SIR_Taco> csdserver: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9369
[01:34] <csdserver> thanks I'll give that a go, hope i haven't messed anything up
[01:35] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy:  your alsa setup seems to be corrupt
[01:35] <SIR_Taco> csdserver: it's a little old, but it should still work without problems
[01:35] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: wait
[01:37] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy:  you edited this file /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf  right?
[01:37] <Num83rGuy> I believe so yes
[01:38] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: can you paste the file here?
[01:39] <Num83rGuy> http://paste.kde.org/142460/
[01:44] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: try purge and reinstall alsa-base
[01:44] <Num83rGuy> SIR_Taco: As for my technical capability, I once made it 63% of the way through a Gentoo install.
[01:45] <Num83rGuy> Will do
[01:46] <Num83rGuy> phoenix_firebrd: done.
[01:46] <SIR_Taco> Num83rGuy: haha ok... I was just wondering if maybe the front panel was over-riding the back panel... ie: if headphones were plugged into the front, if the speakers would work out the back
[01:46] <SIR_Taco> sometimes it's the simple answer :)
[01:47] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: sudo alsa force-reload
[01:47] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: wait
[01:47] <Num83rGuy> SIR_Taco: yeah, they can both work at the same time the front jack has it's own volume knob.
[01:47] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: could you restart the system and try
[01:47] <Num83rGuy> OK BRB
[01:52] <Num83rGuy_> phoenix_firebrd: Didn't work
[01:53] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy_: sudo alsa force-reload
[01:54] <Num83rGuy_> phoenix_firebrd: Do you need me to install ALSA first? ;)
[01:55] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy_: you didnt install alsa-base before restart?
[01:55] <Num83rGuy_> No you never said to.
[01:55] <SIR_Taco> Num83rGuy_: for Sh**s and giggles... have you unplugged/turned off the headphones (assuming from the front)  while in linux and tried? (I had a laptop that didn't respect my headphones for some reason)
[01:56] <Num83rGuy_> SIR_Taco: Yes I have. And I giggled while doing it.
[01:56] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy_: install it
[01:56] <Num83rGuy_> Done Will now re boot. sorry
[01:56] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy_: wait
[01:57] <Num83rGuy_> ok
[01:57] <H20> Question --- does anyone know of a way to show column numbers in Kate?? (not line numbers)
[01:57] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy_: open jockey
[01:58] <Num83rGuy_> OK I thought of that earler only my nvidia drivers are there
[01:58] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy_: only nvidia drivers?
[01:58] <SIR_Taco> H20: nope... I wasn't aware of that feature... might be something to google, if it exists
[01:59] <Num83rGuy_> Yes for my video card. No audio or other drivers
[01:59] <SIR_Taco> phoenix_firebrd: EMU10K1 will not be under Jockey.... it's been a Kernel driver for more than 10 years (as I've said)
[02:00] <phoenix_firebrd> SIR_Taco: its not that
[02:00] <phoenix_firebrd> SIR_Taco: someone had the same issue and they had solved the problem by removing the software modem driver
[02:00] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy_:  sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[02:01] <Num83rGuy_> sudo: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils: command not found
[02:01] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy_: wait
[02:02] <Num83rGuy_> phoenix_firebrd: You are dedicated.
[02:03] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy_: if i solve your problem , i will have a solution and an experience  that my help some others, also when i had these problems no one was that much interested
[02:04] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy_: sudo alsa-utils restart
[02:04] <Num83rGuy_> phoenix_firebrd: My modem is used through the ethernet
[02:04] <Num83rGuy_> sudo: alsa-utils: command not found
[02:05] <SIR_Taco> Num83rGuy_: your modem is a seperate box I assume?
[02:06] <Num83rGuy_> SIR_Taco: yes DSL
[02:06] <SIR_Taco> Num83rGuy_: and you have no problem connecting (obviously.... )
[02:07] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy_: sudo alsa force-reload
[02:07] <Num83rGuy_> SIR_Taco: Other than my ISP being crap? No.
[02:08] <SIR_Taco> Num83rGuy_: I haven't found a solution to crap ISPs yet... working on it thought :)
[02:09] <phoenix_firebrd> SIR_Taco: mine too
[02:09] <phoenix_firebrd> SIR_Taco: i am having fup problem
[02:10] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy_: run the command?
[02:10] <Num83rGuy_> phoenix_firebrd: Yes sound from the head phone but not speakers
[02:11] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy_: do you have the live cd ok kubuntu 11.10?
[02:11] <SIR_Taco> Num83rGuy_: even if you unplug the speakers?
[02:11] <Num83rGuy_> Yes.
[02:12] <SIR_Taco> Num83rGuy_: I meant "even if you unpulg the headphones"
[02:12] <Num83rGuy_> SIR_Taco: Head phone in or out no sound from speakers
[02:12] <SIR_Taco> ok
[02:12] <Num83rGuy_> phoenix_firebrd: Yes i do.
[02:12] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy_: boot into it and check if you get the sound right , if you get it , then SIR_Taco will help you further else please file a bug
[02:13] <Num83rGuy_> phoenix_firebrd: Ok no problem
[02:13] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy_: also check this out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1311725
[02:14] <SIR_Taco> first time I've been suggested for a bug haha
[02:15] <phoenix_firebrd> SIR_Taco: is this your first time?
[02:16] <SIR_Taco> that's a loaded question, so no, I'm good
[02:18] <phoenix_firebrd> SIR_Taco: so can you help Num83rGuy /
[02:18] <phoenix_firebrd> SIR_Taco: i am going to take a break
[02:20] <SIR_Taco> ok
[02:22] <eristikophiles> ok, question: at the installer, after selecting manual partitioning, at the bottom it has a selector for "Boot loader" where you choose which /dev to put it in.. you're supposed to use whatever is /boot, or whatever the base /dev is? should i pick /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb2 (which will be /root)?
[02:23] <rotsy> guys
[02:23] <rotsy> how do you install drupal on kubuntu ?
[02:24] <SIR_Taco> eristikophiles: intalling with an existing install?
[02:24] <eristikophiles> i wiped the old data on the drive
[02:25] <eristikophiles> ..there is windows on the other drive (i'm assigning its partitions mount points as /xppro /seven and /winstor
[02:25] <SIR_Taco> rotsy: which drupal are you wanting to install and which version of kubuntu do you have?
[02:27] <SIR_Taco> eristikophiles: then the boot partition is on your linux drive, but if it asks where to boot from (using the MBR) it's likely from your windows disk... which I would assume (from before) being your first disk
[02:28] <eristikophiles> hm. i read on a forum post that i should *not* select the first drive, because then grub will overwrite my windows MBR
[02:28] <eristikophiles> also, i will need to have it intact to install win7 later
[02:28] <eristikophiles> ..i would do that first but i don't have it yet
[02:28] <SIR_Taco> eristikophiles: you do or don't have windows on the machine now?
[02:28] <eristikophiles> yeah i do
[02:29] <eristikophiles> there's one drive for windows. it's all windows. there's a different hd for kubuntu to use
[02:29] <eristikophiles> anyway, specifically, what i want to know is this: do i select the device as a whole or the specific partition as the 'boot loader' site?
[02:29] <SIR_Taco> if you alter the MBR, the worst case is that Windows over-writes it...  and you'll have to change it later
[02:30] <eristikophiles> like, /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb2
[02:30] <eristikophiles> no, windows won't touch a grub MBR
[02:30] <eristikophiles> i've had that happen before. it will just fail to boot
[02:30] <SIR_Taco> yea ok
[02:30] <eristikophiles> anyway, you're not answering my actual question dude
[02:31] <SIR_Taco> eristikophiles: you're talking about a fresh new install I gather?
[02:31] <eristikophiles> yeah
[02:31] <eristikophiles> for kubuntu yes
[02:32] <SIR_Taco> if you don't care about losing any information on the drive than just partition it as you want, or just stick with the defaults
[02:33] <eristikophiles> *sigh* no you don't get it. the partitioner wants input. it wants me to select from a list of devices
[02:33] <eristikophiles> it has both /dev/sdb and all the partitions on that device
[02:33] <eristikophiles> is 'boot loader' to be put on the device itself, or a partition?
[02:33] <eristikophiles> that's all i want to know!
[02:33] <redeight> u think there is any way to fix the USB not working after resume from sleep bug?
[02:33] <eristikophiles> redeight- don't let it sleep?
[02:34] <redeight> and there we have it! problem solved!
[02:34] <redeight> :)
[02:34] <eristikophiles> lol. sorry redeight .. i can't think of a better way to avoid the issue though
[02:34] <eristikophiles> SIR_Taco- you still there?
[02:35] <SIR_Taco> Oh yea I'm still here
[02:35] <eristikophiles> i'm getting a bit frustrated because the installer tends to crash at this point in the process
[02:35] <eristikophiles> if i can manage to pass over this bit and get to the next step, it might not crash.. so..
[02:35] <eristikophiles> yeah
[02:35] <eristikophiles> so far the install DVD works better than the CD did. it only crashed once, and it's not crashing just from selecting stuff
[02:35] <eristikophiles> but i would like an answer
[02:36] <SIR_Taco> the "boot loader" is a program
[02:36] <rotsy> SIR_taco I'm installing drupal 7.9
[02:36] <rotsy> on kubuntu 11.10
[02:37] <SIR_Taco> rotsy: then you'll have to download it and extract it manually... they should have a step-by-step how-to on the Drupal site
[02:37] <rotsy> ok thanks
[02:38] <eristikophiles> ok, i actually found an old forum post about this somewhere, but only after typing a truly ridiculously complicated search pattern (not a more refined one, just one that's kinda silly)
[02:38] <SIR_Taco> eristikophiles: (not trying to be an ass, because I have no idea what you do or do not know)Do you understand what Grub is about and what it needs?
[02:39] <eristikophiles> yeah, i know what grub is
[02:39] <eristikophiles> it's ok
[02:40] <eristikophiles> the issue is more that the installer app has the option to select /dev/sdb rather than a specific partition
[02:40] <SIR_Taco> eristikophiles: it's offering you sdb for which option?
[02:40] <eristikophiles> there's just a stupid thing saying "boot loader" at the bottom
[02:41] <eristikophiles> it doesn't explain anything.
[02:41] <SIR_Taco> is there an "advanced" option?
[02:41] <eristikophiles> no
[02:41] <eristikophiles> this apparently is advanced. it's the manual option for partitioning
[02:41] <eristikophiles> i set the partition tables like i want
[02:42] <eristikophiles> (actually i did that earlier in kde's partition manager app)
[02:42] <SIR_Taco> eristikophiles: so you've already set the paritions as you want?
[02:42] <eristikophiles> it seems to be installing fine
[02:42] <eristikophiles> yeah, i just don't understand why it wants a distinct 'where do i put the boot loader' selection lol
[02:43] <eristikophiles> ..i'm thinking that either 1) the boot loader will be placed on /dev/sdb itself in an area i don't see as a partition, but the BIOS will see, or 2) the boot loader goes in /boot and is stored in normal drive space
[02:44] <eristikophiles> i figured 1 will work because the forum post i read said to use it that way
[02:44] <eristikophiles> i'm only a bit worried that i should have perhaps left some space to the beginning of /dev/sdb1 in order for it to fit, but maybe it does that automatically
[02:44] <eristikophiles> i mean we're talking a few kb here right?
[02:44] <SIR_Taco> eristikophiles: for recovery reason, it's suggested to have your boot image on a separate partition. (specifically on a seperate hard drive.... if it were to fail, you'd still be able to boot and hopefully recover data)
[02:45] <eristikophiles> yeah, i have /dev/sdb1 as swap, /dev/sdb2 as /boot, /dev/sdb4 is extended (number skipped)- inside is /dev/sdb5-7 which are /, /home, and /stor
[02:45] <eristikophiles> i like to use a /stor partition for my actual data
[02:46] <playuh_jd> Torch: The moment has arrived! I'm about to test the transfer
[02:46] <SIR_Taco> eristikophiles: yes, but since they're all on the same HD... you're screwed if the drive dies
[02:46] <eristikophiles> i did that on my netbook and it's so much nicer to know that i can say, install kubuntu clean over everything yet not lose normal stored data, just apps and settings at most
[02:47] <eristikophiles> well i can't do much about that really
[02:47] <eristikophiles> i try to keep backups :)
[02:47] <eristikophiles> anyway this particular box i'm setting up has another drive, which runs windows, and works fine
[02:47] <eristikophiles> so i should at the least be able to figure a way to boot windows and take a look and see what the linux drive is like
[02:48] <SIR_Taco> eristikophiles: there aren't much non-paid linux FS stuff for Windows
[02:49] <eristikophiles> yeah, that's really more of a last resort. i'd probably end up having to pull the drive out, stick it in a usb enclosure, and look at it on this box
[02:49] <eristikophiles> lol
[02:50] <SIR_Taco> or use a LiveCD
[02:50] <eristikophiles> my old winbox died (blown PSU i think, but no time to really mess with it for awhile). i did that to its drives. they both work fine
[02:50] <eristikophiles> heh, yeah. there is that. it actually has built-in DVD drives
[02:50] <eristikophiles> ..my other boxen i just plug in one with usb
[02:51] <eristikophiles> i prefer a modular approach to stuff like that. as much as i can it's all external, plugged
[02:51] <SIR_Taco> I'm still trying to figure out why my trs80 wont work with my monitor
[02:53] <eristikophiles> that's some seriously oldschool hw
[02:53] <eristikophiles> i don't suppose you can write drivers?
[02:53] <eristikophiles> :)
[02:58] <eristikophiles> anyway, you'd think that monitors are too simple to not work, but generally *anything* can go wrong of course ;)
[03:01] <eristikophiles> haha totally broke it. boots only to the grub rescue prompt...
[03:01] <eristikophiles> time to fix
[03:28] <Num83rGuy_> SIR_Taco: I booted into both a 11.04 and an 11.10 live CD of Kubuntu and the sound does work with the speakers untill I touch the test button in the phonon kcm. At which time all sound output stops untill reboot.
[03:29] <Num83rGuy_> SIR_Taco: I also purged pulse and reenabled the on board audio. The speakers still did not work on the SB but, did with the on board audio with the execption of Chrome
[03:31] <mr-rich> Num83rGuy_: have you picked your default aduio device in Phonon?
[03:31] <Num83rGuy_> SIR_Taco: I then reinstalled pulse and now I am back to square one sound from the SB front headphone jack and no where else.
[03:31] <Num83rGuy_> mr-rich: Yes
[03:32] <mr-rich> Num83rGuy_: you moved the default device up to the top and SAVED/APPLIED the settings?
[03:32] <Num83rGuy_> SIR_Taco: In fact the on board audio has disapeared from the list of cards after I reinstalled pulse.
[03:32] <Num83rGuy_> mr-rich: Yes
[03:32] <mr-rich> Num83rGuy_: just checking ... :)
[03:33] <Num83rGuy_> mr-rich: The SB Audugy card refuses to output from the rear and now the on board audio is gone though I reenabled it in BIOS.
[03:34] <Num83rGuy_> mr-rich: We have been trying for hours to get it to work.
[03:34] <logicalmelt> hello
[03:35] <Num83rGuy_> mr-rich: I would set pulse on fire and laugh at it if it were a physical thing.
[03:35] <Num83rGuy_> mr-rich: I Shouls burn the packages to disk then stomp them.
[03:35] <mr-rich> Num83rGuy_: you and me both ...
[03:52] <ansgar_> I can't open system settings since I installed the Roboto font as a system font...is there another way to delete the font?
[04:00] <ansgar_> i removed the fonts from /usr/local/share/fonts/r/ where it had been installed but i'm still unable to open systemsettings
[04:00] <ansgar_> also tried removing systemsettingsrc from ~/.kde/share/config/
[04:00] <ansgar_> no luck
[04:37] <Bibo> Any devs in here?
[04:38] <Num83rGuy_> SIR_Taco: Are you still available?
[04:40] <Num83rGuy_> Ok well who knows anything about SB Audigy sound cards and pulseaudio?
[04:42] <Num83rGuy_> I guess I will have to file a bug report.
[04:46] <Bibo> hello? anyone here?
[04:49] <EvilResistance> Bibo:  the devs dont frequent here
[04:49] <EvilResistance> Bibo:  what do you need
[04:50] <Bibo> oh I made a grub theme that fits with kubuntu, and I was wondering if they could include it
[04:54] <EvilResistance> Bibo:  you're free to publish your theme on the internet if you want
[04:54] <EvilResistance> but its unlikely that it'll be included by default
[04:54] <EvilResistance> just sayin
[04:54] <Bibo> oh I already published it
[04:54] <Bibo> yeah it was worth a try though
[04:54] <EvilResistance> :P
[04:55] <Bibo> It'd be awesome to see something I contributed get included by default
[06:43] <semitones> How can I contact the ops in #kde?
[06:47] <eristikophiles> why do you need to?
[06:49] <semitones> i seem to be banned there, but I've never been there at all
[06:57] <eristikophiles> someone with the same nick prolly
[06:57] <eristikophiles> hm wait
[06:57] <eristikophiles> is your nick registered?
[06:57] <eristikophiles> nm you are
[06:58] <eristikophiles> are you sure you don't actually want to be in ##kde?
[06:58] <eristikophiles> haha i hadn't been there since June
[06:58] <eristikophiles> ..anyway no it's not ##kde
[06:58] <eristikophiles> the only op there is chanserv
[06:59] <eristikophiles> anyway, i have no idea who the ops are there. if you do know of one, PM them. but i suspect they don't want people doing that
[06:59] <eristikophiles> maybe ask an ircop?
[07:00] <andycc> Okay, I have another stupid question: is there a way to speed up resuming from standby in Kubuntu? It currently takes about 20 seconds for Plasma to become responsive after resuming and unlocking the screen.
[07:02] <eristikophiles> andycc- what kind of hard drive do you have? also how much RAM?
[07:02] <eristikophiles> hard drive spin speed could be more significant than any software issue here
[07:03] <eristikophiles> that assumes you've left it on standby for long enough to stop spinning the hd
[07:03] <eristikophiles> might check power settings for that
[07:03] <andycc> eristikophiles: I doubt hardware is at fault. Fedora with Gnome 3 fully resumes in about 8 seconds, and Ubuntu in about 12. Kubuntu takes around 30 in total, more or less.
[07:04] <eristikophiles> also, if your system is slow, or you just don't care about stuff like animations, install low-fat
[07:04] <eristikophiles> i just locked my system then unlocked it.
[07:04] <eristikophiles> it took about .5 seconds to come back
[07:04] <semitones> eristikophiles: are you able to join? maybe you could ask "how can a user appeal a ban"
[07:05] <eristikophiles> sure, if anyone's there.
[07:05] <eristikophiles> which it doesn't look like
[07:05] <andycc> eristikophiles: well, yeah, but I'm resuming here, not unlocking - the hardware needs to be restarted and everything.
[07:05] <semitones> thanks. #kde?
[07:05] <eristikophiles> i asked for you but not sure whether any reply tonight
[07:05] <eristikophiles> yeah i know #kde
[07:06] <semitones> how many users
[07:06] <eristikophiles> andycc- ok true. but more aptly, on my netbook the resume speed is like, a full second maybe
[07:06] <eristikophiles> i'm guessing that my power settings aren't like yours
[07:06] <eristikophiles> that you turn off more things than i do
[07:09] <andycc> eristikophiles: probably not, my power settings look pretty typical.
[07:09] <andycc> eristikophiles: there is no HDD spin down option there, by the way.
[07:10] <eristikophiles> huh
[07:11] <eristikophiles> yeah i guess you're right. i haven't messed with that stuff in awhile
[07:24] <andycc> eristikophiles: okay, I think I might have solved it.
[07:36] <eristikophiles> cool andycc
[08:47] <shinigami> how do i allow firefox to modify data in root
[08:48] <well_laid_lawn> why would youwant to do that?
[08:49] <well_laid_lawn> it's not a normal request but starting firefox with kdesu might do it?
[09:02] <chazwoza> hey all. anyone managed to change their login screen theme in 11.10? Whenever i download any themes, it doesnt show up in the list to choose
[09:14] <nadim> good morning, is it possible to add actions in folder-view widget? I would like to have a "open terminal here" as in konqueror.
[09:15] <nadim> also, where are these "actions" defined for konqueror as I would like to add some
[09:17] <chazwoza> is there like a support channel or something for kubuntu?
[09:17] <well_laid_lawn> !kubuntu
[09:20] <chazwoza> so this is the support channel?
[09:22] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[09:22] <well_laid_lawn> I guess no one that's around has tried to change the theme
[09:22] <chazwoza> no worries, i just asked the qn then thought maybe this isnt a support channel
[09:23] <well_laid_lawn> ask again in a bit when more ppl are awake
[09:24] <chazwoza> ta
[09:30] <Guest5002> Torch: Seems like it worked!
[10:38] <hendrick> salut a tous !
[10:38] <hendrick> il ya quelq'un ??
[10:38] <well_laid_lawn> !fr
[11:10] <szal> how's 4.7.3 for Oneiric going?  haven't seen anything of it yet
[11:31] <rotsy> hi
[11:31] <rotsy> is it possible to install a mac os theme on kubuntu 11.10?
[11:33] <James147> rotsy: in short yes...   lots of people have created various themes and widgets to make it look more like mac
[11:33] <rotsy> james147: can you direct me to some link that shows how to do that?
[11:35] <James147> rotsy: best place to look is kde-look.org
[11:36] <rotsy> alright thanks
[11:36] <rotsy> i'll check that out
[12:06] <koch> how to del every files in disk
[12:06] <koch> ??
 are you sure ? with something like rm -rf your system might not start anymore
[12:16] <ultrixx> hi i have installed kubuntu on my netbook and i now have this netbook-version of kde. how can i switch to normal kde desktop?
[12:17] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:21] <ultrixx> nobody?
[12:22] <BluesKaj> ultrixx, system settings>workspce behaviour >workspce>workspce type
[12:22] <ultrixx> BluesKaj: thanks
[12:22] <Cenbe> How do I disable the mouse wheel from switching desktops when I roll it on an empty area of the screen?
[12:28] <shanttu> hi. i'm running netbook plasma (ubuntu 11.10) for the second day now. here some things i'm fighting with: Thanks for our help.
[12:28] <shanttu> 1. keyboard shortcuts: They are not saved on logout (for example search and launch). Alt + f2 does not usually work for krunner and printscreen does not do anything
[12:28] <shanttu> 2. when left clicking top right of panel where are running apps (for example "3 running apps") or pressing alt + tab the view changes. i've seen three different views.Now I only see logo and application name on small square. I used to see the content as well and liked that. What to configure and where?
[12:30] <BluesKaj> shanttu, which seting are you using, desktop or netbook?
[12:31] <shanttu> BluesKaj, netbook, if you mean workspace selection
[12:33] <ultrixx> how can i disable the touchpad while typing?
[12:33] <BluesKaj> ultrixx install synaptiks
[12:36] <BluesKaj> shanttu, system settings>startup&shutdown>session management>choose "restore previous session"
[12:37] <shanttu> BluesKaj, good one =)
[12:39] <BluesKaj> shanttu, , dunno why alt+F2 doesn't bring up the krunner tho, if not you can always right click on the desktop and choose run command
[12:39] <shanttu> session restoring is disabled because I thought it could conflict with startup programs
[12:40] <BluesKaj> shanttu, it's resticted to the desktop not globally , afaik
[12:41] <shanttu> BluesKaj, you're right. After first launch alt + f2 opens krunner again. Thanks
[12:41] <BluesKaj> good
[12:42] <shanttu> how about those "application control settings(?)", second problem. How to get that to show at least thumbnails? is it some effect setting?
[12:45] <rotsy> hi!
[12:47] <szal> application control settings?  where's that?
[12:48] <BluesKaj> shanttu, I don't have that view , must be a "netbook" feature
[12:48] <szal> bot defective?
[12:50] <danny_thun> test
[12:52] <shanttu> BluesKaj, thanks for your help. Still two problems
[12:52] <shanttu> 3. When I ran liveusb on left of the panel I saw applications menu bar. Now the menu is taking space on the application window. Am I missing some widget
[12:53] <shanttu> "Menu" was always visible, but worked only when the program was running full screen
[12:55] <BluesKaj> try clicking on the desktop
[13:31] <mark_> hello
[13:32] <mark_> I have just upgarded to latest kubuntu release
[13:32] <mark_> now cannot change the wallpapers
[13:32] <mark_> is anyone having same issue?
[13:33] <mweijts> mark_ on the desktop right-mouse desktop-settings or try ALT-D or ALT-S
[13:34] <mark_> thank you mweijt...but no such optin on right click
[13:35] <mark_> oooo
[13:35] <mark_> alt D has done the trick
[13:35] <mark_> thank you
[13:44] <rymate_1234> hai
[13:45] <rymate_1234> can i install the nautilus file manager without installing gnome?
[13:45] <gnomefreak> not really
[13:47] <gnomefreak> rymate_1234: in terminal typw without the "   "apt-cache depends naulilus"
[13:47] <gnomefreak> that will show you the most direct packages/libs  others can be installed as per one of the depends packages
[13:49] <BluesKaj> nautilus will run on kde , but I don't understand why you would want that, rymate_1234
[13:49]  * szal neither
[13:50] <BluesKaj> nautilus will bring a lot of gtk libs with it
[13:53] <Gimpster1991> hello
[13:55] <rymate_1234> BluesKaj: I hate the dolphin file manager
[13:57] <szal> get Krusader & don't look back ;)
[13:57] <Gimpster1991> rymate_1234: why would you hate the dfm?
[13:58] <howlymowly> hi poeple.. short question: i have a problem: if I edit a picture in gimp with several layers it will not update anymore and show the changes I made only after saving & reloading it shows the "new" picture
[13:58] <howlymowly> this happened after an upgrade to kubuntu oneiric any idea?
[13:59] <BluesKaj> rymate_1234, hate? why?
[14:02] <rymate_1234> I jsut don't really like the interface
[14:04] <BluesKaj> you can configure the interface ,,,I use the split view mode because it's handy for what i do , that's just one example
[14:09] <rymate_1234> how to change file manager
[14:16] <saulus> how can I automount my hdd with group read access?
[14:19] <BluesKaj> saulus, how is the group accessing it ?
[14:23] <saulus> BluesKaj: I plug my extern HDD in. It gets mounted as /media/hdd with 700. I want to share a subfolder via samba. Only the user can access it, not the anonymous user mapping to nobody
[14:27] <BluesKaj> saulus, share the password maybe?
[14:30] <saulus> no way! Its a password ;-)
[14:30] <BluesKaj> I use samba at times to access my other linuxbox, but I'm not really familar with samba permissions , saulus , guess i should have let your question pass
[14:34] <saulus> thx anyway BluesKaj. I know a bit about samba. You always have to care about two different parts: The samba settings and the linux setting. When the samba setting is good and it does not work, then it is because its failing on the linux side. In my case the authentication in samba succeeds and the mapping is done to the user "nobody". This user then tries to access the shares. Thus the shares need +xr for "nobody". But automount does
[14:37] <saulus> re
[14:39] <BluesKaj> saulus, i use ssh to access my other box mostly and nfs-server on this one so the export/home/user file is mounted with fstab
[14:42] <saulus> BluesKaj: thats pretty straightforward but does not work in a heterogenuous network. Yesterday I had the need to access some files via my android device, tomorrow windows clients will access it. Thus nfs is not the perfect candidate for that. It would be so easy with samba if the automount procedure would not mount the hdd with 600 but with 644 permissions.
[14:43] <saulus> So for debugging manually: Which program mounts my hdd when i plug it in?
[14:45] <mr-rich> Ok, does powerdevil monitor a UPS?
[14:48] <BluesKaj> saulus, an outboard , probly /dev/usb
[14:49] <saulus> BluesKaj: im looking for the automounting program not the device
[14:49] <saulus> udev? hotplugd? polkit? what does the job? Maybe KDE is doing it? I have no clue.
[14:49] <BluesKaj> system settings >removable devices
[14:50] <BluesKaj> udev makes the most sense to me , but the gui is what I just posted above
[14:51] <BluesKaj> saulus,^
[14:52] <saulus> Is there a way to pass rw options to this prog?
[14:57] <BluesKaj> saulus, in fstab I woyld think
[15:00] <saulus> BluesKaj: the problem is that the disk is automounted, thus it does not appear in the fstab. I dont find the trigger. Still looking
[15:07] <BluesKaj> saulus, is the devicwe listed in samba/workgroup ?
[15:13] <saulus> BluesKaj: samba works fine but linux does not. I can access the share but can not change directories due to read errors
[15:17] <BluesKaj> saulus, by linux not working what client are you referring to , sftp or .... ?
[15:23]  * BluesKaj slurps another coffee
[15:28] <sleso> jhô
[15:38] <saulus> BluesKaj: su - nobody. cd /mnt/hdd/share gives permission denied. Cause /mnt/hdd is vfat and owned by the user, not nobody. So nobdy is not allowed t go inside
[15:41] <BluesKaj> saulus, can't the user give permissions to nobody +rx
[15:42] <saulus> thats the point. Cause its an automounted vfat partition the directory can not change attributes. I tried it as root but the permissions stayed the same.
[15:46] <BluesKaj> saulus, I'm at a loss
[15:57] <saulus> BluesKaj: I got it!
[15:57] <saulus> 1.5h though.
[15:58] <BluesKaj> saulus, cool , what did you do ?
[15:58] <saulus> You have to offer user defined udev rules that overwrite the automatically mounting with rx access. The Template originates from here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Udev#Auto_mounting_USB_devices The only modification I did was changing the umask from 002 to 022.
[15:59] <saulus> Now I can access my data via my android smartphone all over in the wireless network. Perfect!
[15:59] <BluesKaj> nice
[16:42] <kartick> why i can't send any file fm laptop to my mobile????????????????????????? via bth
[16:44] <Peace-> kartick: mmm?
[16:44] <kartick> peace: waht is mmm?
[16:44] <Peace-> kartick:  sudo apt-get install bluetooth bluez bluez-alsa bluez-cups bluez-gstreamer bluez-utils libbluetooth3 python-bluez libmulticobex1 libobexftp0 libopenobex1 obex-data-server obexd-client python-obexftp obexfs
[16:45] <kartick> what the hell r those?
[16:45] <Peace-> copy and paste on the konsole
[16:45] <Peace-> install them
[16:50] <[snake]> can I make the pager only display windows on that perticular desktop... If I have a windows open on desktop 1, it shows in my taskbar on every other desktop, and defeats the purpose...
[16:52] <[snake]> hello
[16:53] <Peace-> [snake]: right click on pager...
[16:53] <Peace-> settings
[16:54] <[snake]> then what?
[16:55] <Peace-> omg
[16:55] <kartick> Peace: hello bro if i have to reboot?
[16:55] <[snake]> it's not in there... Peace-
[16:55] <Peace-> kartick: i guess log in and log out should be fine , but i am not sure
[16:56] <Peace-> kartick: try to reboot for a sure check
[16:56] <[snake]> Peace-: I see nothing pertaining to the question I asked inside pager settings.
[16:57] <BluesKaj> system settings > workspace behaviour>virtual desktops, choose differnt widgets for each desktop , [snake]
[16:58] <Peace-> BluesKaj: [snake] http://wstaw.org/m/2011/11/05/plasma-desktopcs5928.jpg
[16:59] <[snake]> well... Peace- if you would have used some of them words that you learned when you were young to say to look in virtual desktops, I could've told you that that tab isn't there for me.
[16:59] <kartick> Peace : hello bro its not working still
[17:00] <kartick> Peace: but when i working with latest mandriva its being done.
[17:00] <Peace-> kartick: mm wait
[17:01] <Peace-> kartick: read this that was for kbluetooth and now there is bluedevil but its what i know http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/01/31/kbluetoothdoesnt-receive-files/
[17:02] <Peace-> [snake]: btw i am not english or american , i am doing other stuff and it's faster for me do a screenshot
[17:03] <[snake]> oh ok... but still: "it's in virtual desktops tab" vs take snapshot, upload, send link...
[17:04] <[snake]> it's ok it's not that big of a deal, I'm over it.
[17:04] <Peace-> [snake]: http://blip.tv/PeaceForlinux/postare-uno-screenshot-velocemente-con-kde4-4894119 i don't do too much ...
[17:04] <Peace-> as you can see here...
[17:04] <Peace-> 1 button and and drag and drop instead to write xD
[17:06] <slike1> Hi, I'd like to switch between the laptop sound and the headset sound easyly. How can I do ?
[17:06] <[snake]> Peace-: oh, that's cool bro...
[17:06] <slike1> I'm on kubuntu 11.10 and mint 10
[17:06] <slike1> (kde of course)
[17:07] <ishaan> slike1: install pulse alsa mixer
[17:08] <BluesKaj> Peace-, http://imagebin.org/182627
[17:10] <slike1> ishaan: sudo apt-get install pulse alsa mixer ?
[17:12] <tim_> Hey guys !
[17:12] <[snake]> BluesKaj: I found that in the deep depths of my settings, and it says different activities, not widgets
[17:12] <tim_> have a question
[17:12] <ishaan> slike1: Rethinking....what is that u want exactly??
[17:12] <tim_> in konsole APT wont work
[17:12] <tim_> does anybody what the problem is ??>
[17:13] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :)
[17:13] <ishaan> slike1: Do you want both the laptop sound and the headphone sound at the same time?
[17:13] <tim_> ow nevermind
[17:13] <tim_> its working in one time :|
[17:14] <tim_> :\
[17:14] <tim_> wierd
[17:14] <BluesKaj> [snake], ok , good to know , differnt activities on differnt desktops is what im like , just click the app in tha taskbar and I'm back
[17:15] <[snake]> BluesKaj: but that's what I don't like... I want my apps on only the taskbars of the desktops that they are opened on
[17:15] <MangoBoy> Hello. Im david. I have a problem with flashplugin in firefox and would like to try to downgrade from 11 to 10. im on lubuntu 11.04 on a x64 maschine. were can i find a packet?
[17:16]  * BluesKaj shrugs ..I find that odd , but to each his own
[17:16] <BluesKaj>  MangoBoy install multiarch support
[17:17] <MangoBoy> uhu..
[17:17] <MangoBoy> whats that?
[17:17] <slike1> ishaan: No. I wanna have sound on the headset and on the speakers separately But the problem in kde is that it's very difficult to configure it. In gnome, I just clic on a box and the sound changes the output device instantly.
[17:18] <MangoBoy> i have it
[17:18] <ishaan> slike1: so you can configure the mixer installed in kde.
[17:18] <ishaan> slike1: or for an advanced version install pulseaudio
[17:18] <BluesKaj> it supports 32bit apps on a 64bit pc witout having use wrappers , reinstall flashplugin after installing multiarch , MangoBoy
[17:19] <BluesKaj> correction:without using wrappers
[17:19] <MangoBoy> it was installed from before
[17:20] <slike1> ishaan: I tried several times without any results. That's why I'm looking an easy soft. That's the only reason I didn't install kde 'till now ;-(.
[17:20] <MangoBoy> i get a netstream fault in the flash plugin on some sites and thought i would try to downgrade flashplugin to se if it helps
[17:21] <ishaan> slike1: install pulseaudio mixer,its a bit advanced.But it would do the trick.
[17:21] <BluesKaj> slike1, opem alsamixer in the terminal , use the F5 to shaow all ctrls , your headset should be listed
[17:21] <MangoBoy> it works on youtube but kicks of att ex. putlocker.com
[17:22] <BluesKaj> MangoBoy, downgrades seldom work
[17:22] <MangoBoy> but flash plugin..
[17:23] <Akarak> ciao
[17:23] <BluesKaj> MangoBoy, just install multiarch-support
[17:23] <Akarak> hello
[17:23] <MangoBoy> it is there from before
[17:23] <Akarak> quit
[17:25] <MangoBoy> so what can i do.. how to check the flash plug in and why it dossnt work would be next on the list but it seems a litle more complicated
[17:27] <MangoBoy> as flash works for this site in my copy of windows its not the site.. then it must be a compability problem an downgrading the obvius thing to try ehh..?
[17:28] <MangoBoy> haloo
[17:28] <phoenix_firebrd> MangoBoy: hello
[17:28] <MangoBoy> hi
[17:29] <phoenix_firebrd> MangoBoy: what is the browser?
[17:29] <MangoBoy> firefox but its the same with chrome
[17:29] <phoenix_firebrd> MangoBoy: using any graphics card?
[17:30] <MangoBoy>  it gives a 200 stream not found....etc.   yes
[17:30] <BluesKaj> MangoBoy, remove flashplugin installer and install klash , if you have pulseaudio already installed
[17:30] <sluckxz> MangoBoy: just tried the flash uploader and it worked fine for me.
[17:30] <phoenix_firebrd> MangoBoy: if you dont mind can you give me the link
[17:31] <sluckxz> didnt try to watch anything.
[17:31] <BluesKaj> bbl
[17:31] <MangoBoy> http://www.putlocker.com/file/C26B70868BBED27A#
[17:31] <slike1> ishaan, BluesKaj: thank you I'm gonna try it.
[17:32] <phoenix_firebrd> MangoBoy: thats a download site
[17:32] <MangoBoy> the player loads and try to buffer but..
[17:32] <MangoBoy> yes thats true but iv been looking filf there a long time
[17:32] <MangoBoy> film i mean
[17:33] <phoenix_firebrd> MangoBoy: you have problem playing flash files from youtube lime sites right?
[17:33] <MangoBoy> http://www.putlocker.com/file/9C07E62D6C48E48D
[17:34] <MangoBoy> the first link was wrong. youtub works.. and this site works in windows
[17:34] <phoenix_firebrd> MangoBoy: possibly its been blocked in your country
[17:35] <phoenix_firebrd> MangoBoy: if you want to find if there is a problem with flash player i can guide you
[17:35] <MangoBoy> no. i can se it fine in windows and i have looked there for ages
[17:35] <MangoBoy> okej good
[17:36] <phoenix_firebrd> MangoBoy: wait
[17:36] <MangoBoy> i dont know when this started but it might been i were asked to upgrade to latest flash someware
[17:37] <phoenix_firebrd> MangoBoy: its working for me and my flash is the lastest version
[17:37] <sluckxz> nova is serving the full episode as well.  plays fine kubuntu 11.10 usa.  it is flash.
[17:38] <sluckxz> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/smartest-machine-on-earth.html
[17:39] <MangoBoy> it says 200, stream not found, netstream.play.streamnotfound, clip: '[clip]' 'controls"
[17:40] <tim_> hey guys i dont have rights in /etc/kismet/kismet.conf i can i get this ?
[17:40] <tim_> i have to change the kismet.conf
[17:40] <tim_> but i can
[17:40] <tim_> * Can't
[17:40] <MangoBoy> yes im sure i can find films on other sites but as i use 1channel.ch to find films and putlocker is on of the surest ones i have hard to give this one up you see
[17:40] <tim_> someone >?
[17:41] <MangoBoy> and i dont like windows
[17:41] <phoenix_firebrd> MangoBoy: there seems to be a problem with the flowplayer that causes this error
[17:41] <MangoBoy> can you se it.. aha
[17:42] <MangoBoy> flowplayer  whats that
[17:42] <sluckxz> tim_: sudo
[17:43] <MangoBoy> can you se it ? http://www.putlocker.com/file/9C07E62D6C48E48D
[17:43] <phoenix_firebrd> MangoBoy: its the player thats in the putlocker website. have you tried clearing the browser cache?
[17:43] <phoenix_firebrd> MangoBoy: i can see it without any problem
[17:43] <MangoBoy> hmm clearing the chache ok i try
[17:44] <phoenix_firebrd> MangoBoy: after clearing the cache restart the browser
[17:44] <tim_> but how can i open file in konsole ?
[17:44] <sluckxz> nano or vim i like mc personally
[17:44] <tim_> sudo open /etc/kismet/kismet.conf ?
[17:44] <MangoBoy> ok but im in chatzilla now so maby it brakes but i come back hey..
[17:45] <phoenix_firebrd> tim_: sudo kate /etc/kismet/kismet.conf
[17:45] <tim_> oke thx :P
[17:45] <phoenix_firebrd> tim_: yw
[17:45] <tim_> kate is the "notepad"
[17:45] <sluckxz> good call phoenix_firebrd
[17:46] <phoenix_firebrd> sluckxz: :)
[17:46] <phoenix_firebrd> tim_: ya
[17:46] <tim_> when i type :  sudo kate /etc/kismet/kismet.conf
[17:46] <tim_> i get error
[17:46] <erinaceus> Hi, after searching for a couple of hours i got frustrated an decided to ask here altough u prolly get that question all the time. I cant choose alsa/my soundcard in the system settings i checked, it is recognized i can play sound on it via some tools, but i just cant tell kubuntu to use it as default
[17:46] <tim_> errorsssssssss
[17:46] <tim_> tim@tim:~$  sudo kate /etc/kismet/kismet.conf
[17:46] <tim_> [sudo] password for tim:
[17:46] <tim_> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-tim" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[17:46] <tim_> Error: "/tmp/kde-tim" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[17:46] <tim_> Error: "/tmp/ksocket-tim" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[17:46] <tim_> kdeinit4: Shutting down running client.
[17:46] <tim_> Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)
[17:46] <tim_> Error: "/tmp/ksocket-tim" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[17:46] <phoenix_firebrd> tim_: wait
[17:47] <tim_> Error: "/tmp/kde-tim" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[17:47] <tim_> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-tim" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[17:47] <phoenix_firebrd> tim_: wait
[17:47] <tim_> kbuildsycoca4 running...
[17:47] <tim_> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-tim" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[17:47] <tim_> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-tim" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[17:47] <phoenix_firebrd> tim_: stop
[17:47] <tim_> Error: "/tmp/kde-tim" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[17:47] <tim_> okok
[17:47] <tim_> ook
[17:47] <tim_> ok
[17:47] <phoenix_firebrd> tim_: if you paste here like this the bot will remove you from this channel
[17:48] <tim_> ow
[17:48] <phoenix_firebrd> tim_: use paste.kde.org
[17:49] <tim_> oke i will
[17:49] <phoenix_firebrd> tim_: do you know how to use it?
[17:49] <tim_> like this ?
[17:49] <tim_> http://paste.kde.org/142610/
[17:50] <phoenix_firebrd> tim_: good
[17:50] <tim_> ok :)
[17:50] <sluckxz> erinaceus: alsactl store normally works
[17:50] <tim_> but this error i get when i type sudo kate /etc/kismet/kismet.conf
[17:51] <pangolin> tim_: Please lay off the enter key, you are making the channel bots go crazy
[17:51] <tim_> what ?
[17:51] <pangolin> tim_: no need to hit ENTER every 3rd word
[17:51] <pangolin> form complete sentences please :)
[17:52] <MangoBoy> Hi.. No. didnt help
[17:52] <tim_> oke i get it, but do you know wha the errors are ?
[17:52] <MangoBoy> frustratin when you al can se it and i can se you tube in same flashplayer
[17:53] <MangoBoy> an ther is a rat in the wall
[17:54] <erinaceus> sluckxz:  Nope, doesnt work. Currently i only can choose pulseaudio as my output device which doesnt work. Could be that i maybe pressed "forget devices" to hastly? If so, how could i restore all devices to be displayed again?
[17:55] <rats__> a rat ?
[17:55] <sluckxz> i think there are more pulse packages you can add to manage devices.  not sure though.
[17:56] <MangoBoy> yes im in a old hows in the countryside in finland and a rat has moved in sins a couple weeks
[17:56] <sluckxz> therer were in slackware last time i used them.  audios been fine for me lately with 11.10.
[17:56] <MangoBoy> its a steep way down from the athik so it rattles like hel when she runns down
[17:56] <MangoBoy> hell
[17:57] <rats__> I know thier  everywhere
[17:57] <BluesKaj> MangoBoy, i asked earlier if you have pulseaudio installed , because if you do then allyou need is multiarch support and klash for flash content
[17:57] <phoenix_firebrd> tim_: is there a folder or a file in such name in your /etc folder
[17:57] <MangoBoy> iv built a barrel tiping trap to catch her.
[17:58] <sluckxz> erinaceus: apparantely people are deleteing ~/.pulse with decent results
[17:58] <sluckxz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1845555
[17:58] <MangoBoy> its a ramp thats tips over when she goes out on it. Hopefully
[17:58] <erinaceus> sluckz: Worth a shot, thx
[17:59] <BluesKaj> sluckxz, I've treid to dump pulseaudio but a won't play flash audio on websites without it :(
[17:59] <phoenix_firebrd> MangoBoy: can you wait
[17:59] <BluesKaj> alsa won't play
[18:00] <MangoBoy> phoneix: do you have any other ideas? cant i try to downgrade? or can it be some rests of the firewalls i playe with?
[18:00] <MangoBoy> iv uninstalled iptables as i dont have any services anyway
[18:01] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, ok MangoBoy is all your , since he doesn't respond to my suggestions, good luck
[18:01] <BluesKaj> yours
[18:01] <BluesKaj> typical finlander :)
[18:01] <erinaceus> slucky: I could hug you. Thanks very much, works fine now. Btw. what keywords did you use to search?
[18:01] <erinaceus> sluckxz:  I could hug you. Thanks very much, works fine now. Btw. what keywords did you use to search?
[18:02] <MangoBoy> I did.. i said it wass already installed..!!
[18:02] <sluckxz> sorry BluesKaj just started using kubuntu after a long hiatus.  i dont see anything obvious and so far all my installs audio rocks.
[18:02] <BluesKaj> !who MangoBoy
[18:03] <BluesKaj> !who | MangoBoy
[18:04] <sluckxz> erinaceus: awesome!  "kubuntu 11.10 audio" 2nd one down.
[18:04] <erinaceus> sluckxz: And here i was googling pulseaudi and alsa like an idiot, well thanks again
[18:04] <sluckxz> haha.. cheers.
[18:05] <MangoBoy> erinaceus: aha.. im just so slow to write and the nix so loong .. sorry.
[18:05] <BluesKaj> sluckxz, yeah , my onboard works great without pulseaudio , but the sound quality sucks , so i installed a m-audio pci card that needs pulse for web audio content
[18:05] <MangoBoy> no ubouto i ment
[18:06] <BluesKaj> MangoBoy, ubottu is a bot
[18:07] <erinaceus> MangoBoy:  Wait you were talking to me? I wasnt paying attention sry
[18:07] <MangoBoy> blueskaj. so what is !who and whats the answer for that it already was installed ?
[18:07] <MangoBoy> ahh- ok
[18:07] <MangoBoy> Blues: i meen
[18:07] <sluckxz> BluesKaj: so you completely removed pulseaudio?
[18:08] <BluesKaj> sluckxz, yeah , when I was using my onboard soundcard , alsa was able to handle all the audio content
[18:09] <BluesKaj> well alsa and phonon that is
[18:09] <phoenix_firebrd> MangoBoy: open firefox in terminal
[18:09] <MangoBoy> ok
[18:10] <phoenix_firebrd> MangoBoy: open the website and try to play the video
[18:10] <MangoBoy> phoneix: i did but i whent to background
[18:11] <tim_> hey guys, i want to install install_flash_player_11, i've download it, but how can i run it? i dont get it when i run sudo tar -zxvf. install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz
[18:11] <tim_>  it give me an error. http://paste.kde.org/142622/
[18:11] <phoenix_firebrd> MangoBoy: what do you mean by background?
[18:12] <phoenix_firebrd> tim_: you can install flash player from muon
[18:12] <sluckxz> BluesKaj: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3118895.msg277490#msg277490
[18:13] <sluckxz> damn if that works we know were to always start for kubuntu audio issues.
[18:13] <tim_> oke i see the foult, i  typed a . behind sudo tar -zxvf.
[18:15] <BluesKaj> sluckxz, it's till pulse
[18:15] <BluesKaj> still
[18:21] <sluckxz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/858466  recent bug report. lots of info in the comments.
[18:24] <sluckxz> some decent stuff around comment #15 16 17
[18:30] <BluesKaj> sluckxz, it has alot to do with the audio drivers that alsa can access , pulseaudio is defualt so some cards work well with it and others don't due to direct access alsa gives to the soundmodules and in some cases paulseaudio blocks that access . ...basically hit and miss
[18:44] <MangoBoy> Im here again !!
[19:00] <phoenix_firebrd> MangoBoy: hi
[19:31] <brian__> hi, for some reason, my battery monitor is stuck at 82%. It has been for the past hour or so
[19:46] <MangoBoy> Phoenix: hi
[19:46] <MangoBoy> I was looking a film
[19:47] <MangoBoy> I checked before and you wern't here
[19:49] <MangoBoy> you know.. flash actually works in chrome. And i have installed xchat that has spell checking.. how about that
[19:52] <MangoBoy> But flash still don't work in firefox and that is serious.. well i would like it to work any how.. I tried to reinstall both flash and firefox and made a new addon naked profile but NO NO
[20:23] <jmichaelx> there is something seriously f'ed up with kubuntu (as if that weren't always the case)
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> lol
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> just came to say that, and left
[20:25] <sluckxz> got my joins parts disabled. glad you said something.
[20:25] <jmichaelx> joins parts?
[20:26] <jmichaelx> i have two machines right next to each other, on one of the two, konversation will not longer start
[20:26] <well_laid_lawn> somethin's up with the config then
[20:26] <sluckxz> join and part irc notifications.  i was following some busy ps3 channels once upon a time.
[20:27] <jmichaelx> well_laid_lawn: highly possible, but since i've changed no configs, that should not be
[20:28] <jmichaelx> lol, it did finally start up on the other machine.... but it took konversation nearly 5 minutes to start
[20:29] <jmichaelx> also, why in the world is that off and on, i get phonon warnings that jack is not available, and that it is falling back on <fill in the blank>.... jack is not installed, nor is it selected anywhere in phonon
[20:36] <jmichaelx> i now purged konversation, then re-installed, and it still does not work
[20:50] <jmichaelx> ok, apparently what happened is that i booted up, the wrong audio device was set as default.... i did not notice, and started amarok.... amarok tried to start, but crashed (default audio was a mic)... upon every reboot, amarok restarted in a crashed state.... and somehow this effected konveration...
[21:00] <jmichaelx> how does one stop these stupid warnings about the mail system upon startup? i have kmail and kontact both removed, but am still getting these warnings
[21:55] <MangoBoy> Does anyone know of a program in witch one can see tcp connections live and how fast they are?
[22:14] <ScottyK> Is there a users guide in PDF format that can be downloaded?
[22:15] <HulkHogan> nop
[22:17] <BarkingFish> I have desktop effects turned off, so why do I still have the boxes in my toolbar/workspace/whatever it is, glowing like nuclear waste?
[22:17] <BarkingFish> can I disable this?]
[22:30] <StFS> hello... so I right click on the Kickoff Application Launcher "thingy" and choose "Edit Applications..." I get a pretty straightforward "KDE Menu Editor" in which I create a new item under development. Everything seems fine so I save and close. But when I go into the Development menu there's nothing there and when I re-open the "KDE Menu Editor" my entry has disappeared? What's going on?
[22:32] <StFS> I can also see a bunch of menu entries in the KDE Menu Editor that are not there when I open the Kickoff Application Launcher
[22:34] <Snowhog> StFS: It's a know bug.
[22:34] <katsrc> so LightDM is replacing KDM?
[22:34] <katsrc> is it due to increase in performance?
[22:36] <StFS> Snowhog: ok... do you know if there's a workaround?
[22:36] <StFS> Snowhog: is there a file somewhere I can manually edit?
[22:39] <Snowhog> StFS: Yes. You have to check Show hidden entries in K Menu Editor > Settings > Configure KDE Menu Editor... > General. Then save. This bug will almost certainly get addressed rather quickly.
[22:39] <StFS> Snowhog: let's hope so... it's "a little annoying" ;)
[22:41] <StFS> Snowhog: hmm... nope.. that didn't work
[22:44] <Snowhog> StFS: Review this thread on KFN: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3118688.15
[22:44] <giorgio> hallo
[22:48] <StFS> Snowhog: thanks
[22:49] <giorgio> hallo
[22:52] <Guest37057> hello
[22:52] <Snowhog> StFS: This is the reported bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=283579
[22:58] <spartan779> Good night people
[22:59] <spartan779> so.. what's new?
[22:59] <giorgio> nothing relevant
[23:00] <giorgio> in Milan it's raining
[23:00] <spartan779> First .. i never felt the power of kubuntu on an A8-3800 desktop PC with an ATI HD 6850... REally wonderful. All animation are fantastic.
[23:00] <spartan779> oh .... Naple is windy tonight
[23:01] <claydoh_> hey Snowhog !!
[23:01] <BarkingFish> giorgio: Please do not PM users without asking their permission first.  I do not provide help in PM.
[23:02] <spartan779> BarkingFish: Hallo. Sorry for thursday when i left the chat but i had a cell call so i hadn't time to see you thanks.
[23:02] <spartan779> BarkingFish: *say
[23:02] <BarkingFish> spartan779: no problem
[23:03] <giorgio> sorry Barking
[23:03] <BarkingFish> all help requests go in the channel, giorgio - this is easier, so more than one person can help.
[23:04] <giorgio> ok i ll follow yr suggestion thanks
[23:05] <spartan779> BarkingFish:  Can i ask u somthing in PM?
[23:06] <BarkingFish> sure spartan779
[23:06] <BarkingFish> if it's support though, remember, it goes here :P
[23:07] <apachelogger> BarkingFish: may I also ask u something in PM?
[23:08] <BarkingFish> apachelogger: go on
[23:11] <Snowhog> Back at you claydoh.
[23:11] <apachelogger> who is this claydoh person anyway
[23:13] <claydoh> apachelogger: your fanboi
[23:15] <apachelogger> claydoh: oh
[23:15]  * apachelogger hugs claydoh
[23:15] <apachelogger> fanbois ftw
[23:16] <apachelogger> I am becoming the next steve jobs
[23:18] <claydoh> ot :)
[23:23] <BarkingFish> apachelogger: you mean you're dying?
[23:23] <BarkingFish> :P
[23:23] <EvilResistance> lol
[23:23] <apachelogger> not before I reach enlightenment
[23:23] <apachelogger> or that was the plan anyway
[23:23] <BarkingFish> download it instead
[23:24] <apachelogger> too easy
[23:24] <BarkingFish> sudo apt-get install e17
[23:24] <apachelogger> haven't you read the memo? :O
[23:24] <BarkingFish> no
[23:25] <apachelogger> BarkingFish: e17 is not true enlightenment
[23:25] <apachelogger> true enlightenment got bought by samsung, so you need to meditate it out of them
[23:25] <apachelogger> muhahaha
[23:26] <BarkingFish> oh dear... have you been on the happy juice, apachelogger?
[23:27] <EvilResistance> !offtopic
[23:27] <apachelogger> BarkingFish: yes
[23:27] <apachelogger> it happens
[23:28] <apachelogger> also I'll have to work 10h for the next 3-4 days, so I need to prepare for that mentally ^^
[23:29] <EvilResistance> BarkingFish:  i'd say give this guy a drunk-and-disorderly notice and then slap him
[23:29] <BarkingFish> I can't, EvilResistance - he's a colleague.
[23:29] <apachelogger> what's that?
[23:29] <apachelogger> :P
[23:29] <EvilResistance> :P
[23:30] <EvilResistance> apachelogger:  being drunk and disorderly is bad.  *hops into #ubuntu-ops in order to ahve the other ops slap apachelogger with doom and destruction*
[23:30] <apachelogger> if only I were a regular op :P
[23:30] <EvilResistance> apachelogger:  fine, IRC council then
[23:30]  * EvilResistance knows how the councils are set up
[23:30] <BarkingFish> apachelogger: laxatives can help with that :)
[23:31] <BarkingFish> then you'd be an op, and regular.
[23:31] <apachelogger> lol
[23:31] <EvilResistance> heh
[23:42] <Snuggles88> I have just installed kubuntu 11.10 and I cant find the plasma settings
[23:42] <Snuggles88> I want to set one activity per workspace screen
[23:42] <Snuggles88> How do you do it?
[23:42] <HulkHogan> ?
[23:43] <Snuggles88> (I have always used xfce/gnome earlier so I feel a bit lost now.
[23:43] <Snuggles88> I want to have different backgronds and widgets for different workspaces
[23:43] <HulkHogan> oh
[23:44] <HulkHogan> u can do that with Virtual desktops also
[23:44] <Snuggles88> I googled and found that I need to set a setting called "Different Activity for Each Desktop"
[23:44] <HulkHogan> dont think they have that anymore, plus Workspaces can do that also
[23:45] <HulkHogan> Snuggles88: System setting } Workspace Behavior } Virtual Desktops
[23:45] <Snuggles88> okey, thanks!
[23:45] <Snuggles88> I check it out
[23:45] <Snuggles88> :)
[23:45] <HulkHogan> Checkmark - go to settings > workspace behavior > virtual desktop> checkmark different widgers for each desktop
[23:48] <Snuggles88> When I did that, my "search and find"-activity disappear...
[23:48] <Snuggles88> How do you use activities?
[23:48] <Snuggles88> What is the meaning with activities?
[23:49] <HulkHogan> is hard to explain over text
[23:50] <HulkHogan> think of it like different sports
[23:50] <HulkHogan> or rooms
[23:50] <HulkHogan> u want to orangize ur stuff
[23:52] <Snuggles88> I think I kind of get it, can I set programs to start in an activity?
[23:52] <HulkHogan> Snuggles88: yes u can set programs to load in only that activitie
[23:52] <Ovale> ciaooo
[23:53] <Snuggles88> Then you can have lika an "develop"-activity where you have som specific widgets and start like netbeans or something
[23:53] <Snuggles88> That is pretty cool
[23:53] <Snuggles88> :-)
[23:53] <HulkHogan> Snuggles88: yes u can do that, but now Virtual Workspace has those features also
[23:54] <HulkHogan> Snuggles88: one thing that Activites can do that Workspaces cant do nowdays is u can suspend an Activity
[23:55] <HulkHogan> Snuggles88: and then resume also
[23:56] <Snuggles88> But you can automatic start a program at a specific workspace as well?
[23:57] <HulkHogan> Snuggles88: yes
[23:57] <Snuggles88> Because I think like this right now, korrect me if I'm wrong... Workspaces is just different areas to work at... Activities tells what the workspaces should contain.
[23:58] <HulkHogan> Snuggles88: yea in most cases they are the same
[23:58] <HulkHogan> but Activity can contain Workspaces, but Workspaces does not contain Activtity
[23:59] <Snuggles88> cool!
[23:59] <Snuggles88> Can you have like 2 workspaces in one activity and 4 in another?