[03:48] <DarwinSurvivor> dscassel: I've used manual network config (static IP) in the installer before (11.04 at least). Sounds like a bug to me.
[12:17] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:43] <FiReSTaRT> woot.. replacing kde's nm with gnome's fixed the wireless connectivity issues... i declare my install of kubuntu fully functional :P
[15:49] <BluesKaj> FiReSTaRT, yeah, there some issues with the kde network manager , unfortunately it sucks mostly , dunno why the devs don't do more work on it if they want tyhe laptop crowd to use kubuntu
[15:50] <FiReSTaRT> considering that we are cannibalizing the desktop segment bigtime
[15:50] <FiReSTaRT> in my case it's not critical because i am plugged into one of the switches
[15:50] <FiReSTaRT> but still nice to have
[15:51] <FiReSTaRT> so i can for example connect to the local network via eth to access local resources and connect to another ap to access the internet via wifi
[15:51]  * FiReSTaRT gives BobJonkman a TSI ^5 (i'm on cable though)
[15:52] <BobJonkman> FiReSTaRT: Cable from TSI is acceptable
[15:52] <FiReSTaRT> it better be.. the bell copper in my area is brutal
[15:52] <FiReSTaRT> mostly bsw's with crumbling insulation
[15:53]  * BobJonkman goes to the channel log to see what conversation he's interrupting
[15:53] <FiReSTaRT> even at the bell box (conveniently placed in my yard) i can't get decent line stats
[15:53] <FiReSTaRT> no worries, just general observations on how crappy knetworkmanager is and how replacing it with gnome's nm rocks :P
[15:54] <BobJonkman> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/11/05/%23ubuntu-ca.html is strangely empty
[15:55] <BluesKaj> FiReSTaRT, I have a belkin USB wifi adapter that worked well on 10.04 then I couldn't get any network manager to load it's modules / drivers and ndiswrapper was hopeless then in 11.10 the drivers finally worked rt2870, or 2780 , I've forgotten. In the meantime I reconnected the eth0 , and totally dumped NM in favour of the static lan IP and /etc/network/interfaces file running my internet connection
[15:55] <FiReSTaRT> i run scripts on the work laptop
[15:55] <FiReSTaRT> but i like having a nice and easy gui tool :P
[15:56] <BluesKaj> we should start recommending the gnome nm in kubuntu , maybe that will get some attention
[15:57] <FiReSTaRT> not a bad idea
[15:57] <FiReSTaRT> wicd is the solution of choice but i
[15:57] <BluesKaj> there's realy no excuse for the crappy knetwork manager or whatever it's called now
[15:57] <FiReSTaRT> have never been a fan of it
[15:58] <BluesKaj> wicd was borked for a while too
[15:58] <FiReSTaRT> gnome nm has always worked well for me, so i never had a valid reason to look for an alternative
[15:59] <FiReSTaRT> until i extended my middle finger to tablet de's like g3 and unity... unity is even relatively useful and could grow on my but it's restricted to a single distro
[16:01] <BluesKaj> I tried unity ..not my cuppa tea
[16:02] <BobJonkman> I've got a desktop on which I installed 11.10, and the Gnome NM isn't working.  Fiddled /etc/netwoking manually, and it's connected, but NM still shows no connection.  'sup?
[16:02] <FiReSTaRT> BluesKaj: generally it's not, and i like kde better, but it's still better than g3 and unfortunately, the authoritarian types have rammed them down our throats
[16:03] <FiReSTaRT> BobJonkman: that never happened to me.. but i've always used it with bcm and ath chipsets.. you've got ralink?
[16:04] <BobJonkman> No idea.  It's a refurbished computer, assembled from parts
[16:04] <BobJonkman> (mind you, the best parts)
[16:05] <BobJonkman> It doesn't bother me particularly.  I've got network connectivity, and just need to find out how to remove the NM icon from the panel
[16:07] <FiReSTaRT> just run sudo lshw
[16:07] <FiReSTaRT> and it should give you the vendor for your wireless interface
[16:08] <BluesKaj> BobJonkman, it's been bypassed by /etc/network/interface , if you don't plan using any wifi devices to connect to the internet on that pc then you can remove NM
[16:10] <BobJonkman> It's a tower under the desk, no WiFi.  I'll have a look on Monday
[16:11] <FiReSTaRT> ahh ok.. so some eth issues, which are rare with gnu/linux nowadays
[16:11]  * FiReSTaRT bbiab, need caffeine fix
[16:18] <BluesKaj> FiReSTaRT, kde network manager works fine wih ethernet connections , if you want it to handle that for you , but i prefer the more dirct approach , static lan IPs and no dhcp , with the network interfaces and resolv.conf files handling the connectivity
[16:21] <BluesKaj> BBL...lunch
[16:33] <FiReSTaRT> BluesKaj: i just switche it over to gnome's nm, which is a versatile and functional tool for both wired and wireless, so it's all good :)
[16:35] <BluesKaj> FiReSTaRT, yeah I realize that , I mean't to direct that comment to BobJonkman
[16:35] <BluesKaj> err meant
[16:37] <FiReSTaRT> ahh ok
[16:37] <FiReSTaRT> im just glad i got that fixed
[16:37] <FiReSTaRT> still waiting to give mint 12 a test-drive
[16:38] <FiReSTaRT> i heard they were gonne use custom extensions to put some g2.x functionality back into g3
[16:38] <BluesKaj> heh , there are dissatified new ubuntu users threatening to go back to W7 , let them I say ...they think threats will make us want to help them more . somehow :)
[16:40] <FiReSTaRT> i'm a dissatisfied power-user and  been encouraging people to go with mint instead :P
[16:40] <FiReSTaRT> however, now that they're switching over to g3, i may just go back to ubuntu, but the k-version
[16:42] <BluesKaj> g3 and kde4.8 are supposed to be pals once the bugs are worked out ...kde has some fixing to be done as well as g3
[16:42] <FiReSTaRT> not as much.. g3 is too tablet-oriented, even more so than unity.. kde still appears like a normal de
[16:44] <BluesKaj> then g3 isn't for me
[16:47] <FiReSTaRT> what the mint devs are doing is extending g3 so it performs more like g2.x but maintains compatibility with g3 (that's what i heard).. still tweaking it for the new release
[16:49] <FiReSTaRT> i will give it a shot.. i am running katya on my media centre without any hitches
[16:52] <FiReSTaRT> well, without additional hitches in comparison to ubuntu
[16:53] <FiReSTaRT> a ubuntu update broke something on that machine, so i ended up just trying mint.. since it's basically running xbmc all the time, i haven't really given their g2.x spin much of a shot