[03:48] dscassel: I've used manual network config (static IP) in the installer before (11.04 at least). Sounds like a bug to me. [12:17] Hiyas all [15:43] woot.. replacing kde's nm with gnome's fixed the wireless connectivity issues... i declare my install of kubuntu fully functional :P [15:49] FiReSTaRT, yeah, there some issues with the kde network manager , unfortunately it sucks mostly , dunno why the devs don't do more work on it if they want tyhe laptop crowd to use kubuntu [15:50] considering that we are cannibalizing the desktop segment bigtime [15:50] in my case it's not critical because i am plugged into one of the switches [15:50] but still nice to have [15:51] so i can for example connect to the local network via eth to access local resources and connect to another ap to access the internet via wifi [15:51] * FiReSTaRT gives BobJonkman a TSI ^5 (i'm on cable though) [15:52] FiReSTaRT: Cable from TSI is acceptable [15:52] it better be.. the bell copper in my area is brutal [15:52] mostly bsw's with crumbling insulation [15:53] * BobJonkman goes to the channel log to see what conversation he's interrupting [15:53] even at the bell box (conveniently placed in my yard) i can't get decent line stats [15:53] no worries, just general observations on how crappy knetworkmanager is and how replacing it with gnome's nm rocks :P [15:54] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/11/05/%23ubuntu-ca.html is strangely empty [15:55] FiReSTaRT, I have a belkin USB wifi adapter that worked well on 10.04 then I couldn't get any network manager to load it's modules / drivers and ndiswrapper was hopeless then in 11.10 the drivers finally worked rt2870, or 2780 , I've forgotten. In the meantime I reconnected the eth0 , and totally dumped NM in favour of the static lan IP and /etc/network/interfaces file running my internet connection [15:55] i run scripts on the work laptop [15:55] but i like having a nice and easy gui tool :P [15:56] we should start recommending the gnome nm in kubuntu , maybe that will get some attention [15:57] not a bad idea [15:57] wicd is the solution of choice but i [15:57] there's realy no excuse for the crappy knetwork manager or whatever it's called now [15:57] have never been a fan of it [15:58] wicd was borked for a while too [15:58] gnome nm has always worked well for me, so i never had a valid reason to look for an alternative [15:59] until i extended my middle finger to tablet de's like g3 and unity... unity is even relatively useful and could grow on my but it's restricted to a single distro [16:01] I tried unity ..not my cuppa tea [16:02] I've got a desktop on which I installed 11.10, and the Gnome NM isn't working. Fiddled /etc/netwoking manually, and it's connected, but NM still shows no connection. 'sup? [16:02] BluesKaj: generally it's not, and i like kde better, but it's still better than g3 and unfortunately, the authoritarian types have rammed them down our throats [16:03] BobJonkman: that never happened to me.. but i've always used it with bcm and ath chipsets.. you've got ralink? [16:04] No idea. It's a refurbished computer, assembled from parts [16:04] (mind you, the best parts) [16:05] It doesn't bother me particularly. I've got network connectivity, and just need to find out how to remove the NM icon from the panel [16:07] just run sudo lshw [16:07] and it should give you the vendor for your wireless interface [16:08] BobJonkman, it's been bypassed by /etc/network/interface , if you don't plan using any wifi devices to connect to the internet on that pc then you can remove NM [16:10] It's a tower under the desk, no WiFi. I'll have a look on Monday [16:11] ahh ok.. so some eth issues, which are rare with gnu/linux nowadays [16:11] * FiReSTaRT bbiab, need caffeine fix [16:18] FiReSTaRT, kde network manager works fine wih ethernet connections , if you want it to handle that for you , but i prefer the more dirct approach , static lan IPs and no dhcp , with the network interfaces and resolv.conf files handling the connectivity [16:21] BBL...lunch [16:33] BluesKaj: i just switche it over to gnome's nm, which is a versatile and functional tool for both wired and wireless, so it's all good :) [16:35] FiReSTaRT, yeah I realize that , I mean't to direct that comment to BobJonkman [16:35] err meant [16:37] ahh ok [16:37] im just glad i got that fixed [16:37] still waiting to give mint 12 a test-drive [16:38] i heard they were gonne use custom extensions to put some g2.x functionality back into g3 [16:38] heh , there are dissatified new ubuntu users threatening to go back to W7 , let them I say ...they think threats will make us want to help them more . somehow :) [16:40] i'm a dissatisfied power-user and been encouraging people to go with mint instead :P [16:40] however, now that they're switching over to g3, i may just go back to ubuntu, but the k-version [16:42] g3 and kde4.8 are supposed to be pals once the bugs are worked out ...kde has some fixing to be done as well as g3 [16:42] not as much.. g3 is too tablet-oriented, even more so than unity.. kde still appears like a normal de [16:44] then g3 isn't for me [16:47] what the mint devs are doing is extending g3 so it performs more like g2.x but maintains compatibility with g3 (that's what i heard).. still tweaking it for the new release [16:49] i will give it a shot.. i am running katya on my media centre without any hitches [16:52] well, without additional hitches in comparison to ubuntu [16:53] a ubuntu update broke something on that machine, so i ended up just trying mint.. since it's basically running xbmc all the time, i haven't really given their g2.x spin much of a shot