[00:00] <hamitron> all too slow for me :/
[00:00] <alexcockell> if you go, say, to bbc.co.uk/heritage - all the clips there still run through Embedded Media Client v2... the one that worked.
[00:00] <ali1234> so not the installed one then?
[00:01] <alexcockell> The Beeb are still consolidating their content to the new player...
[00:01] <alexcockell> Basically - they've locked out casual users on NVidia Ion 1-based low-power machiens.. who would nto know about get_iplayer or would be scared off using it.
[00:02] <alexcockell> Basically - up to about 3 weeks ago, iPlayer behaved.  And the new version of Flash coped with the old client..
[00:02] <alexcockell> But with the new embedded player - suddenly Ion-based kit is locked out.
[00:02] <alexcockell> Theree's also a load of other bugs..
[08:57] <alexcockell> MOrning all..
[09:02] <AlanBell> morning
[09:04] <MartijnVdS> And this is why you don't buy nvidia?
[09:55] <marxjohnson> morning all
[10:02] <jacobw> morning marxjohnson et al
[10:39] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:56] <jacobw> morning brobostigon
[10:57] <jacobw> is anyone going to mozilla festival?
[10:58] <brobostigon> morning jacobw
[11:02] <Sysunix> Hi all
[11:03] <Sysunix> Do any of you ever used the software Keylogger on ubuntu ?
[11:43] <alexcockell> Morning all..
[11:44] <alexcockell> Anyone else found if they're on an Ion 1-based netbook that iPlayer is not very reliable under Flash 11?
[11:51] <jacobw> i find that flash unreliable under linux in general
[12:42] <penguin42> yeuch, the new reader is terrible
[12:42] <alexcockell> jacobw - Yeah - mostly due to Adobe's shite coding.
[12:42] <alexcockell> penguin42 - is that Adobe reader?  Or Flash?
[12:42] <penguin42> sorry, google
[12:43] <alexcockell> Ah.
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDacjrSCeq4
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: ^ you'll like that. Too bad daubers isn't online
[15:28] <^hyperbole^_> #cloudstack
[15:37] <issyl0> AlanBell: How's Bonfire Night looking for you?  Do you know of any decent firework displays around?
[15:41] <AlanBell> I am not at home, down in Pool, Dorset
[15:41] <AlanBell> I think christel was thinking of going to Farnham
[15:42] <AlanBell> possibly theopensourcerer too
[15:44] <alexcockell> Not bothering really... been fighting with iPlayer and NVIDIA...
[15:45] <alexcockell> Spent most of the day raising one honking complaint to the beeb..
[15:46] <MartijnVdS> wrong party
[15:46] <MartijnVdS> it's Adobe's fault for making shitty software
[15:46] <alexcockell> Yeah - I know... just had to rant
[15:47] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: and it's bbc's fault for using it
[15:47] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: it's a reasonable option for streaming video
[15:47] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: sure there are better options _now_
[15:47] <alexcockell> And then when Adobe say "Duh, desktop Linux isn't being used - let's withdraw AIR"
[15:48] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: I don't think so, I used to watch TV via shoutcast all the time before flash was big
[15:48] <Azelphur> and it didn't suck.
[15:48] <alexcockell> Yeah - just very annoying they decided to rely on overlay logic to present transport info - rather than using the panel underneath
[15:49] <alexcockell> Means you have to mouseover to see where you are int he programme...
[15:49] <penguin42> is one of the bot minders around?
[15:50] <alexcockell> ... and guess what?  As Adobe ripped out Stage Video... leaving VDPAU to decode only... video freezes, audio continues...
[15:50] <alexcockell> ... if on an Atom/ION combo...
[15:50] <alexcockell> But on the old X3100 GOU in my R61 - all OK..
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> So.. never buy nvidia :)
[15:51] <alexcockell> But it DID behave when I dropped £400 on my netbook from LE
[15:51] <alexcockell> Behaved right up until the Beeb changed the media client on iPlayer about a week or so ago..
[15:52] <alexcockell> And it's caused a LOT of shouting...
[15:53] <alexcockell> Of course - all the testing was obviously done on the Flash 11 beta... and then Adobe's gold release dumps experimental Stage Video in Linux - but left it in for Windows and Mac
[15:54] <alexcockell> Spent a man-day on a long complaint which I've CC'd to DigitalSpy and their open-mic thread on their Internet blog...
[15:54] <alexcockell> Netbook isn't much more than 18 months old...
[15:55] <alexcockell> The galling thing is - Youtube behaves better - actually *does* graceful fallback
[15:56] <alexcockell> Just that Atoms don't have the grunt - and *require* NVIDIA...
[16:04] <alexcockell> Or - the new player maxes out an Atom - whereas it runs at about 50% of both cores on a Core Duo...
[16:04] <ali1234> i don't see how it is nvidia's fault
[16:05] <alexcockell> It isn;t... just the interaction - and the fact that Adobe didn't leave the code there...
[16:05] <ali1234> stage video is a beta function?
[16:06] <alexcockell> It was... but then the Beeb decide to use stage video to present the transport logic in overlay...
[16:06] <alexcockell> And the Windows/Mac mob were crying for it...
[16:06] <ali1234> why are they using beta functions with no fallback?
[16:06] <alexcockell> But apparently there'a bit of dodgy coding there - even in ActionScript or whatever it is Flash uses..
[16:07] <alexcockell> Pardon me for expressing myself like this - but fuck knows
[16:07] <alexcockell> When playing audio - it's only using a load average of about 1.8
[16:08] <alexcockell> ... on a 1.6GHz Atom
[16:08] <ali1234> audio is not exactly difficult to decode
[16:08] <alexcockell> Exactly.
[16:08] <penguin42> you sometimes get weird cases
[16:08] <penguin42> like if the sound card insists on not switching to the same sample rate as the sample rate you wanted to use
[16:08] <penguin42> and you get conversions and stuff
[16:08] <alexcockell> It's the rendering where they got it wrong - via VDPAU, the GPU's decoding the H264 stream..
[16:09] <penguin42> I've also seen the kernel get very confused and spend all the CPU with PA crashing and restarting with one particular sound card
[16:09] <ali1234> yes well we all know how well adobe engineers understand VDPAU
[16:09] <MartijnVdS> alexcockell: that's what the GPU is for..
[16:09] <alexcockell> I know..
[16:09] <MartijnVdS> but they should just use VA-API
[16:09] <MartijnVdS> so they support non-nvidia as well
[16:10] <alexcockell> You know - there IS one way the Beeb could support the lower-spec kit running Ubuntu and similar... allow their Totem plugin access to the high-def iplayer streeams
[16:10] <alexcockell> until Adobe get their act together
[16:10] <ali1234> i've never seen that totem plugin work
[16:11] <ali1234> it always just hangs when i try to use it
[16:11] <alexcockell> *facepalm*
[16:11] <alexcockell> And by doing this - they only piss off their early adopters etc...
[16:11] <ali1234> early adopters of iplayer?
[16:12] <alexcockell> OK - maybe I meant tech-savvy people.. the ones who know what's going on..
[16:13] <ali1234> i just tried a stage 3d demo and it seems to work
[16:13] <ali1234> what part did they remove?
[16:14] <Myrtti> totem-plugin?
[16:14] <Myrtti> have I missed out on something
[16:14] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: totem BBC plugin
[16:15] <alexcockell> It's more the overlaying bit...
[16:15] <MartijnVdS> it's not in oneiric
[16:15] <Myrtti> AW DAMNIT
[16:15] <Myrtti> I was already looking for it :-(
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> it might be in -plugins-extra
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> totem-plugins-extra*
[16:16] <MartijnVdS>     * Stream BBC programs
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: ^
[16:17] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: sorry for the confusion ;)
[16:17]  * Myrtti rubs her hands together
[16:17] <Myrtti> eeeexcellent
[16:18]  * AlanBell breaks unity3d :(
[16:18] <MartijnVdS> "Myrtti Burns"
[16:19] <AlanBell> never had any problems with the stability of compiz until unity came along
[16:26] <alexcockell> TOTP 1976 is listed under BBC1 - rather than BBC4...
[16:27] <alexcockell> ARGH!  They let you see the list of programmes - but no streaming!
[16:28] <alexcockell> Thanks to those STUPID decisions they made re DRM...
[16:31] <Myrtti> I can't even see the list of programmes, only the subject areas
[16:31] <Myrtti> boo.
[16:38] <mattt> afternoon all
[16:41] <alexcockell> Myrtti - try the twisties-  what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[17:09] <Myrtti> alexcockell: 11.10
[17:53] <jacobw> evening
[18:05] <czajkowski> http://pix.ie/czajkowski/album/426006  UDS-P photos are up
[18:14] <gord> http://pix.ie/czajkowski/2618871/in/album/426006 - rare sighting of the popey-shark - breaching in the wild
[18:16] <penguin42> eep scary
[19:39] <penguin42> . --------~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *
[19:41]  * jacobw nods
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> morse code?
[19:42] <penguin42> that's a rocket!
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> ah yes
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> it's that night again
[19:43]  * jacobw rotates his screen
[19:43]  * penguin42 doesn't seem to be able to see any from the park across the road yet
[19:43] <jacobw> its odd not having any animals to look after this firework night
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> Ah, the traditional V for Vendetta on TV tonight :)
[19:48] <stevepdp> MartijnVdS, what channel?
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> stevepdp: BBC2 22:45
[19:49] <stevepdp> gdgd, doesn't conflict with Merlin :-)
[19:49] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: enjoying our FreeSat eh? ;)
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I also have the bluray but yes :)
[19:50] <jacobw> Traditional?
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> well
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> I'd say it's becoming a tradition
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> hm, this seems to be the first time it's been broadcast on Nov 5
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> Strange BBC is strange
[19:58] <SuprEngr> o/
[19:58] <SuprEngr> ..& a phhhschwoooooooos.... bang to you all
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> & to you
[19:58] <SuprEngr> ;)
[19:59] <jacobw> hi SuprEngr
[20:01] <SuprEngr> hi MartijnVdS, hi jacobw  - got your virtual phhhschwoooooooos.... bangs ready for Guy Fawkes?
[20:01] <alexcockell> Had enoughof the real ones detonating near me for DIwali AND firework night..
[20:02] <SuprEngr> alexcockell, I was in Handsworth [working] on Diwali... loud!
[20:02] <SuprEngr> [but as to festival of lights... nothing
[20:03] <alexcockell> Yeah - somehow they manage to get hold of professtional fireworks - and light then in stamp-sized gardens..
[20:03] <alexcockell> ITV - loads of hopelesses massacring tracks...
[20:05] <SuprEngr> alexcockell, +1
[20:05] <jacobw> make: *** No rule to make target `sense'. Stop.
[20:05] <alexcockell> They're actually playing out Trammps, S-Express etc as the intro.. or do I go to Radio 2 whwere they;'re playing out 70s stuff?
[20:06] <SuprEngr> jacobw, I'm impressed - you saw my post to mail list?
[20:06] <jacobw> SuprEngr: no
[20:07] <SuprEngr> jacobw, whine re seahorse-plugins... it ends up with that msg
[20:08] <SuprEngr> ..so +1 to your vote
[20:09] <jacobw> i'm not currently subscribed to the mailing list
[20:09] <SuprEngr> ["it" being attempts to do what I needed]
[20:10] <SuprEngr> jacobw, shame on you ;)
[20:10] <alexcockell> I know it'soff-topic.. but Oh Dear God.... Act one out of the blocks has ruined both Abba and Dead Or Alive...
[20:11] <jacobw> i need to sort out the postfix server on my domain for virtual users and mailboxes so i can subscribe to lists with lists@jacobw.me
[20:12] <SuprEngr> ooo... Men In Black on Ch5  :)
[20:12] <jacobw> [uknot] is high volume
[20:12] <SuprEngr> muuuuch betta
[20:12] <jacobw> i love that film :)
[20:17] <alexcockell> I take it none of us are into going out on a cold night... MUCH nicer to have a warm netbook...
[20:18] <SuprEngr> ok - break in movie - anyone know of replacement for seahorse-plugins in 11.10?
[20:18] <SuprEngr> [netbook recharging... nice & warm}
[20:20] <SuprEngr> oh to be a recharging battery pack plugged in and powered... cozy ;)
[20:20] <jacobw> SuprEngr: what does seahorse-plugins do that seahorse doesn't?
[20:21] <SuprEngr> adda an "encypt" optoin to right click in Nautilus
[20:21] <SuprEngr> ...should also add a "decrypt"
[20:22] <SuprEngr> ...but decrypt disappeared mid 11.04... still working that one out !
[20:23] <jacobw> I see, nautilus integration :)
[20:25] <SuprEngr> precisely...
[20:26] <SuprEngr> ...[but now snafu'd in 11.10
[20:29] <jacobw> how annoying
[20:29] <alexcockell> I think I read something about that - they could have said "it was difficult for the user to set up... so we ripped it out"
[20:30] <alexcockell> sorry - "may
[20:31] <alexcockell> Oh - if anyone is watching the carcrash on ITV1 - one act is about to wreck a Shalamar track...
[20:32] <SuprEngr> alexcockell, did you also read where package could be got?
[20:33] <jacobw> asymetric encryption does confuse people
[20:33] <alexcockell> Nah - saw it in passing.
[20:33] <SuprEngr> p.s "carcrash" - not politically good atm
[20:33] <SuprEngr> m5 cough
[20:33] <alexcockell> Yeah - but how else do you describe acts ruining old classic tracks?
[20:34] <alexcockell> How else do you describe X Factor?
[20:34] <jacobw> you can't choose to watch X Factor and then complain
[20:34] <SuprEngr> actually  - o now you put that way... ;)
[20:36] <alexcockell> Umm - isn't it a musical equivalent of leaving Sandygate then rubbernecking?  And giving Sky News some footage?
[20:38]  * SuprEngr has a sneaky feeling it's just the 3 of us here atm... guess all the others are going phhhschwoooooooos.... bang
[20:38] <alexcockell> Especially when they wreck old Shalamar?
[20:39] <alexcockell> Or, if you're near families celebrating Diwali or Eid - BANG
[20:39] <alexcockell> or more CRRRUMP
[20:40] <SuprEngr> ..or vee cud control ze channel & move on to vorld domination... ya ha ha ha ha ha
[20:44] <SuprEngr> Eid, Diwali, /Guy Fawkes night... what hope for the lower atmosphere tonight!
[20:44] <jacobw> when is V on tonight?
[20:45] <SuprEngr> jacobw, 'V'... as in the sci-fi series?  is it on somewhere?
[20:46] <jacobw> MartijnVdS said 'V for Vendetta' was on BBC tonight
[20:46] <SuprEngr> doh!
[20:46] <jacobw> !bbc
[20:47] <jacobw> luobotu needs to be able to tell us what's on TV
[20:47] <jacobw> ah, max payne is on c4 at 9
[20:47] <ali1234> bbc2 10.45
[20:52] <SuprEngr> o/ ali1234
[20:53] <SuprEngr> but Dave has better
[20:55]  * MartijnVdS baked someting really yummy & breadish
[20:55] <SuprEngr> bread & butter pud?
[20:55] <SuprEngr> ...or toast
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> SuprEngr: no it's bread but with some sugar and olive oil added
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> the dough was very sticky and wet
[20:56] <SuprEngr> yum
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> but the bread is nice and soft and tastes REALLY good
[20:57]  * SuprEngr hides in jealousy
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> aww
[21:36] <shauno> ugh.  60% packet loss, *again*.  I really can't remember why I bother paying these idiots
[22:18] <mattt> xfactor, worst show ever.
[22:18] <brobostigon> agreed mattt, it sucks.
[22:19] <mattt> brobostigon: serious waste of time watching that nonsense
[22:21] <brobostigon> mattt: especially reminds me of those kind of itv progs, with quiz questions, that you can answer with an IQ of 1, and are no challange, nor informational, and blatently trashy populerist.
[22:22] <mattt> and then there's university challenge, which makes me feel like an idiot.  :D
[22:22] <brobostigon> mattt: but that is a good example of the right kind, of challenge. not idiocy.
[22:23] <mattt> true
[22:23]  * mattt is off to learn some python
[22:25] <brobostigon> :)
[22:26]  * SuprEngr thought this was an intelligent channel but smirks to think think peeps actually do watch refuse 
[22:33]  * mattt raises an eyebrow at SuprEngr