[00:23] <c_smith> hiya
[00:28] <c_smith> heya, MarkDude! :D
[00:29] <MarkDude> hey there c_smith
[00:30] <c_smith> hey, quick question: I've been reading up on UEFI, and it seems JVLB is going about it with a GUI tool, and all I've seen is people using the command line to install grub, do you think that might help his case with his friend and UEFI?
[00:31] <c_smith> I've also read somewhere something about compiling a patched GRUB2....
[00:33]  * MarkDude does not know those answers
[00:33] <MarkDude> Waiting for it sort out
[00:33] <c_smith> ah, ok
[00:34] <c_smith> looks like JVLB might not have looked at the Wiki page for installing GRUB2 on UEFI.
[02:04] <tgm4883> bkerensa, you know you posted that MS guy's email to public right?
[02:29] <c_smith> bkerensa isn't here atm..... he's afk I'd guess.
[03:00] <MarkDude> c_smith, maybe I can use this time to tease him, since he cant respond
[03:00] <MarkDude> :D
[03:22] <MarkDude> Someone wanted to ask about teaching a FOSS class?
[03:22] <MarkDude> What specifically? :)
[03:29] <Becka> Hey, I was over on the Ubuntu beginngers caht and they sent me here.  I am a professor at Western Oregon University, teaching a FOSS class next term, looking for people to provide mentorship for my students
[03:32] <tgm4883> Becka, awesome, I graduated from WOU
[03:33] <Becka> When did you graduate?
[03:33] <tgm4883> 2008
[03:33] <Becka> Me too
[03:34] <Becka> Got my masters and working on my PhD
[03:34] <Becka> This course is my dissertation research
[03:34] <tgm4883> sweet
[03:34] <tgm4883> sounds like a lot of work
[03:34] <Becka> Love it
[03:35] <Becka> The teaching part
[03:35] <Becka> The student part is getting a bit old
[03:35] <tgm4883> yea I know that feeling
[03:35] <Becka> Were you in Wolfbot senior project?
[03:35] <tgm4883> No, I wasn't a programmer
[03:35] <tgm4883> I was IS
[03:36] <Becka> I would guess we had some classes together
[03:36] <tgm4883> probably did
[03:36] <tgm4883> so what is the class on?
[03:37] <Becka> I am working on getting my students engaged in an OSS project.  I want to use mentorship as a bridge into the community
[03:37] <tgm4883> any specific project in general?
[03:38] <Becka> I hope to promote engagement of students from groups that are currently under represented in OSS
[03:38] <Becka> Ubuntu
[03:38] <tgm4883> hmm
[03:38] <tgm4883> Well Ubuntu is a large project. Is this going to be a class of programmers?
[03:38] <Becka> Yes, CS260 is a prereq
[03:38] <tgm4883> ah ok
[03:39] <tgm4883> Do they still only learn Java?
[03:39] <Becka> Java is first language
[03:40] <Becka> Many take Broeg's C++
[03:40] <tgm4883> ok
[03:40] <tgm4883> Do they get any VCS training?
[03:40] <Becka> Mostly I want to get the in the door and comfortable
[03:40] <Becka> No,
[03:41] <Becka> There will definitely be a steep learning curve
[03:41] <tgm4883> Bummer. Out of everyone I've talked to that is the one thing that is almost never touched in college
[03:41] <tgm4883> and everyone agrees there should be a class on it
[03:41] <Becka> I am not asking for them to commit, more to engage
[03:41] <Becka> I agree
[03:42] <Becka> As soo as I finish my dissertation I hope to add some things to our cirriculum
[03:43] <tgm4883> I've envisioned a FOSS class before for programmers, where students would find projects they are interested in (or perhaps a predefined list) and they could contribute by writing code, documentation, bug triage/fixing, etc
[03:43] <tgm4883> is that the type of thing you're looking at for this?
[03:44] <Becka> It is very difficult to have them choose a project.  The list is too vast
[03:44] <Becka> I am hoping to get them into Ubuntu because it offers a lot of avenues to go
[03:45] <Becka> Being able to provide them with mentors would help them figure out the basics
[03:45] <Becka> It is my intent to create people that continue to participate after the class ends
[03:45] <tgm4883> so is this going to be similar to GSoC then?
[03:46] <Becka> Yes
[03:46] <tgm4883> ok
[03:46] <tgm4883> so you want to get them involved in Ubuntu development, all parts of it I suppose?
[03:48] <Becka> As I only have them for 10 weeks I want them to work on the easy bug fixes.  I think that will give them a sense of belonging that will help them continue on to harder stuff
[03:49] <tgm4883> Becka, ok, let me check if the paper cuts project is still going on. There was a session for it this week
[03:49] <Becka> I will start by having them install all of the tools they need so that they can hit the ground running
[03:49] <Becka> Cool
[03:49] <tgm4883> you're going to want to give them a crash course in launchpad as well
[03:49] <tgm4883> since they will have to interact with that a bunch
[03:50] <Becka> Yes I have two weeks to get them up and running
[03:50] <Becka> The good news is that they will all be encouraged to work together to figure things out
[03:50] <tgm4883> bdmurray might be able to help point you in the right direction for bug work
[03:51] <Becka> cool, I will try to contact him
[03:52] <tgm4883> Becka, you might want to ping him next week. It's getting late here and he'll likely be unavailable until Sunday/Monday
[03:53] <Becka> not a problem
[03:54] <Becka> I was talking to phillip on the Ubuntu-beginners chanel and he also reccomended I speak with bkrensa
[03:55] <tgm4883> yep looks like papercuts is still around  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+spec/other-design-p-papercuts-future
[03:55] <Oregonian> Title: The future of the Papercuts project : Blueprints : One Hundred Paper Cuts (at blueprints.launchpad.net)
[03:55] <tgm4883> when is the class from/to?
[03:56] <Becka> Jan - end of march.  forget exact dates
[03:56] <Becka> I will check out paper couts
[03:56] <Becka> thank you
[03:57] <tgm4883> ok, that will get them to beta 2 tehn
[03:57] <tgm4883> final freeze is April 12th
[03:59] <Becka> Thank you so much for your help.  My daughter just came home from college for the weekend so I am going to go hang.  I am sure I will catch up with you here again :-)
[03:59] <tgm4883> yw
[08:48] <bkerensa> =o
[20:10] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Any idea what package handles system wide proxy settings in Ubuntu 11.10
[20:25] <c_smith> hiya.
[20:25] <c_smith> bkerensa, any luck with the Library?
[20:25] <bkerensa> Haven't had a chance to contact them yet its on my list for this week
[20:26] <c_smith> ah, cool
[20:26] <c_smith> heh, you might like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzpi8zoyG54
[20:26] <Oregonian> Title: Secret message from the Demon Hunter - Warcraft III - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
[20:26] <c_smith> bah, didn't see that last part coming.
[20:27] <bkerensa> cool
[20:27] <bkerensa> :D
[20:27] <c_smith> Warcraft 3 is a good game, personally prefer Warcraft 2, though, that one brings back memories.
[20:28] <c_smith> but I'm pretty sure the whole Night Elf language is like that.
[20:28] <c_smith> Blizzard was either short on time, or just witty about it to do that.
[20:38] <bkerensa> yeah
[20:38]  * bkerensa is playing Battlefield 3
[20:38] <bkerensa> and next Monday I will have Modern Warfare 3
[20:39]  * bkerensa interviewed the Lead Developer of Modern Warefare 3 on Friday
[20:39] <c_smith> awesome
[22:39] <c_smith> bkerensa, it's sad that the servers for the respective consoles for CoD don't connect with each other. thinking about getting the WIi version.
[22:39] <c_smith> already have Black Ops and MW1 for that system.