[02:29] <Faqtotum> #ubuntu is no help atm; anyone around?
[02:29] <Faqtotum> [Sat 2011-11-05 06:57:48 PM PDT] <Faqtotum> is it possible to upgrade from natty to oneiric from the dvd?
[02:30] <philipballew> Faqtotum, whats up
[02:30] <Faqtotum> ^
[02:30] <philipballew> ahh... sprry
[02:30] <philipballew> *sorry
[02:30] <philipballew> You can use a alternate cd
[02:30] <philipballew> do you know what that is?
[02:31] <Faqtotum> so the alternate cd can do it but the dvd can't?
[02:31] <philipballew> Ubuntu comes on a cd?
[02:31] <Faqtotum> the alternate cd is a cd, so obviously yes
[02:32] <Faqtotum> i burned the dvd iso
[02:32] <Faqtotum> the dvd is the desktop cd and the alternate cd in one
[02:32] <philipballew> Yeah, if I were wanting to upgrade from removable media I would use the alternate iso
[02:32] <Faqtotum> as would i
[02:33] <Faqtotum> but everyone kept saying the dvd was everything both cd's were
[02:33] <philipballew> Maybe, I have not herd that. but I am not that smart
[02:34] <Faqtotum> do you have the alternate cd handy to check?
[02:36] <philipballew> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OneiricUpgrades#Upgrading_Using_the_Alternate_CD.2BAC8-DVD
[02:36] <Faqtotum> tried that
[02:36] <Faqtotum> there is no such file
[02:36] <philipballew> Nice!
[02:37] <philipballew> Ubuntu is awesome!
[02:37] <philipballew> I wonder how old that doc is then
[02:37] <Faqtotum> teehee
[02:37] <philipballew> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+question/174317
[02:37] <philipballew> even better
[02:38] <philipballew> whats wrong with do release upgrade just wondering>
[02:38] <Faqtotum> yeah, i ran into that error too
[02:39] <Faqtotum> what's wrong is that it will redownload everything
[02:40] <philipballew> slow connection?
[02:41] <philipballew> or dont want unwanted packages downloading>
[02:43] <nhaines> Faqtotum: as regards SCALE conf packs, just register and wait to pay until later.
[02:43] <Faqtotum> ok
[02:43] <nhaines> Faqtotum: I'll eventually get a free pass because of Ubucon, but I registered first.
[02:43] <Faqtotum> philipballew: combo
[02:44] <nhaines> Faqtotum: as regards the Ubuntu DVD, this cycle (and maybe last too) it's just the Desktop CD + all language packs.
[02:44] <nhaines> So you'll still need an alternate CD to upgrade, as I understand it.
[02:47] <Faqtotum> grrrrr
[02:47] <Faqtotum> so i burned it as dvd for nothing+
[02:48] <nhaines> Pretty much.  Unless you're nostalgic for text debian-installer!
[02:48] <nhaines> Now in aubergine!
[02:48] <Faqtotum> i liked the old color better
[02:49] <Faqtotum> unless the text installer can do an upgrade...
[02:51] <nhaines> It can't.  Although it should be able to ignore the /home directory and upgrade everything around it.  But to that I say: keep good backups.
[02:51] <Faqtotum> an upgrade, by definition, keeps the same package set
[02:52] <bkerensa> =o
[03:07] <nhaines> Faqtotum: actually, the Desktop CD claims to do that, too.  It seemed to work the last time I looked.
[03:09] <Faqtotum> what i'm about to try is "sudo apt-cdrom add" at the "Do you want to start the upgrade?" prompt where it shows what's no longer supported and what will be removed
[03:10] <nhaines> You have to boot into the Ubuntu CD to get the upgrade option.
[03:10] <Faqtotum> ohhhh
[03:10] <nhaines> It's worth a try if you have all your data backed up.
[03:10] <nhaines> I tried it around alpha 3 or so, I think.  It didn't seem to break everything, but I wiped and did a clean install shortly after.
[03:28] <Faqtotum> well i'll reboot and try it
[04:06] <Faqtotum> nhaines: no go. it repartitions, moves /home, and wipes all else
[04:06] <Faqtotum> can someone please simply dcc me a copy of the cdromupgrade script from the alternate cd?
[04:07] <Faqtotum> interesting that the kubuntu dvd has a similar script but the ubuntu dvd does not
[04:12] <nhaines> Faqtotum: the "Upgrade Ubuntu xxx to 11.10" does that?  Shame.  :(
[04:13] <nhaines> Faqtotum: if I can find an alternate CD image I'm more than happy to share it, but I don't think it'll work with the Desktop CD (same as DVD) at all.
[04:15] <Faqtotum> the dvd has the text installer, which is what the alternate is all about
[04:15] <Faqtotum> from what i can tell, that's what the script wants
[04:20] <nhaines> Don't have one.
[04:20] <nhaines> I'd grab a torrent.
[04:20] <Faqtotum> :(
[04:22] <philipballew> does he just need someone to download it?
[04:23] <Faqtotum> preferably someone who has already downloaded it and can just grab the file
[04:23] <philipballew> I dont mind downloading it if I need to
[04:23] <Faqtotum> i spent 4 days torrenting the dvd
[04:24] <philipballew> The alternate should go fast?
[04:24] <Faqtotum> seems like a waste when all i want is one file
[04:25] <philipballew> i guess so
[04:27] <nhaines> Faqtotum: seems like a mirror should get you the file in just a few minutes.
[04:28] <Faqtotum> a mirror of the cd contents?
[04:28] <Faqtotum> where is the source repository for the cd, anyway?
[04:29] <Faqtotum> where the script is tracked
[04:29] <nhaines> Faqtotum: a US mirror, not a CD contents mirror.
[04:30] <Faqtotum> shouldn't there be a bzr repository somewhere?
[04:31] <nhaines> Faqtotum: I'll finish the torrent in about 6 minutes.
[04:32] <Faqtotum> i'd rather find the bzr
[04:37] <nhaines> Can't help with that, though.  :)
[04:40] <nhaines> Faqtotum: http://ubuntuone.com/p/k4g/
[04:48] <Faqtotum> a screenshot of byobu?
[04:55] <Faqtotum> haha, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main/view/2253/DistUpgrade/cdromupgrade
[04:56] <nhaines> http://ubuntuone.com/4ROHpAoRK2xt4hUl3FumKF
[04:56] <nhaines> Faqtotum: that should do it!
[05:07] <Faqtotum> looks like i also needed to download http://mirrors.200p-sf.sonic.net/mirrors/mirrors/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/oneiric.tar.gz
[05:07] <Faqtotum> it's running
[05:21] <nhaines> Faqtotum: good luck!
[05:47] <Faqtotum> nhaines: seems the dvd doesn't have the text installer after all
[05:47] <Faqtotum> debian-installer, that is
[06:19] <nhaines> Faqtotum: that's right and I said as much earlier.  :)
[06:34] <Faqtotum> [Sat 2011-11-05 07:47:58 PM PDT] <Faqtotum> so i burned it as dvd for nothing+
[06:34] <Faqtotum> [Sat 2011-11-05 07:48:13 PM PDT] <nhaines> Pretty much.  Unless you're nostalgic for text debian-installer!
[06:34] <Faqtotum> [Sat 2011-11-05 07:48:21 PM PDT] <nhaines> Now in aubergine!
[06:34] <Faqtotum> seems you said the contrary
[07:13] <nhaines> Faqtotum: I must've been researching the alternate CD at the time and didn't switch contexts again, sorry.
[18:23] <MarkDude> Dora the Explora gets sooooooooo damn old after a few hours
[18:24]  * MarkDude is baby sitting now. 
[18:29] <Faqtotum> no it doesn't
[18:29] <Faqtotum> but pokemon does
[18:47] <MarkDude> Ok, now I wish Dora was on
[18:48] <MarkDude> The Backyardigans are on now. There's an animal in trouble.....
[18:48] <Faqtotum> dunno that one
[18:50] <MarkDude> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxlWvE2U0nw
[18:50] <MarkDude> There it is
[18:51] <MarkDude> Wonder pets
[18:56] <Faqtotum> when i was that age, most parents wanted their kids to play _outside_
[18:56] <Faqtotum> tv was "bad"
[18:56] <MarkDude> Well its raining
[18:57] <MarkDude> So much for going to beach today
[18:57] <Faqtotum> it's november
[20:47] <nhaines> pleia2: do you have a link handy to your oneiric slides?  I'm giving a talk on Saturday.  :)
[20:50] <pleia2> nhaines: http://princessleia.com/presentations/ubuntu-11.10-plug.odp
[20:50] <pleia2> or .pdf
[20:59] <nhaines> pleia2: thanks!