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ScottLhi Kokito 00:05
Kokitohey ScottL !! How was UDS?00:06
ScottLoh, everyone quits :/00:23
ailoI wasn't able to boot into the -lowlatency available at aboganis ppa02:04
ailoI'm recompiling my own kernel now02:04
ailoNot that hard to do, really. Just takes some time02:05
ailoAlso, I suspect some of alessio's configs are out of date02:05
ailoCompiling kernels take time :/02:09
Kokitodamn, lost connection and ScottL with it...02:37
jasonmchristosok heres the scoop06:22
jasonmchristos1lbs ground lamb06:22
jasonmchristos1 clove grown garlic06:22
jasonmchristosmince the garlic by hand with a curved knife06:23
jasonmchristosspice a cast iron pan06:23
jasonmchristosoregeno oil extract06:23
jasonmchristoswarm06:23
jasonmchristosadd garlic to pan and a bit of lamb for lamb fat06:23
jasonmchristoswarm again06:23
jasonmchristosrub oil into the poresof the iron06:23
jasonmchristosnow take the lamb06:24
jasonmchristossprinkle cavenders greek seasoning on the surface06:24
jasonmchristosimitate if you have high blood pressure06:24
jasonmchristosknead meat with fingers06:24
jasonmchristosuse rest of garlic knead in along ith06:24
jasonmchristoswith06:24
jasonmchristossqueeze the meet between your knuckles06:25
jasonmchristosturn pan up slap on pan cook til done06:25
jasonmchristossave oil for dipping in pita bread06:27
jasonmchristoseat in remembrance of Jesus Christ06:40
jasonmchristosoops wrong channel06:40
ailoI'm sure there's a lot of data to collect from testing kernels, but after recompiling and installing my own -lowlatency, compared to -generic, I don't even need to do any tests06:44
ailoIt's clear as day06:44
ailoBeen working for many hours now, and not a single xrun at 64 frames/period with firewire, while I had xruns with -generic at 1024 frames/period06:44
jasonmchristosthere you have it06:47
jasonmchristostell abogani 06:47
stochastichey knome, welcome back.09:42
knomehey stochastic, thanks :)10:14
scott-upstairswanted mention that a meeting has been scheduled for today, in approximately five hours from now:  http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ubuntu+Studio+Contributor+Meeting&iso=20110904T1713:11
scott-upstairshere is a first pass meeting notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011September4#preview13:18
scott-upstairswanted mention that a meeting has been scheduled for today, in approximately five hours from now:  http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ubuntu+Studio+Contributor+Meeting&iso=20110904T1714:33
scott-upstairshere is a first pass meeting notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011September414:33
astraljavaI suppose you meant: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ubuntu+Studio+Contributor+Meeting&iso=20111106T1715:01
astraljavaAnd that's only 2 hours from _now_, since no DST anymore.15:01
* holstein cant be at the meeting today15:08
holsteini did some dual-head testing though, in XFCE15:08
holsteinif someone has dual-head and would like to test/confirm... i plan on trying it with some other cards (like nvidia)15:09
holsteinthe one im testing on now is a well supported intel card15:09
holsteinGridLock in #xubuntu suggested the package 'arandr' and that is working like a champ for me15:10
astraljavaDual-head works for me in XFCE 11.10, but I need to use xrandr so that I get something else than cloned displays.15:17
holsteinastraljava: cool.. thats similar to my findings then15:19
holsteinyou you mind to look at arandr?15:20
astraljavaI can check it tomorrow, I don't have that display here that I normally use.15:20
holsteinastraljava: what is xrandr part of?15:20
holsteinastraljava: yeah, no hurry15:20
astraljavax11-xserver-utils: /usr/bin/xrandr15:20
holsteinOK15:21
holsteini think arandr is just a GUI for that15:21
holsteinright now, im thinking it would be nice to include arandr, and label them in the menu properly15:22
holsteinotherwise, we have the current one from xfce for 'cloned'15:22
astraljavaYeah. Might be a good idea. I remember the Display settings cannot be used to get that effect.15:24
holsteinif its just a matter of including a small package, why not right?15:25
astraljavaYep.15:25
madnickI tried this yesterday with ATI, oh the pain :) arandr works fine, if i first create a virtual display, but i ended up using ati-config + xinerama15:29
holsteinmadnick: DATA!15:30
holsteinthats good to know15:30
astraljavamadnick: Good to know, we can document that.15:30
holsteinyeah, i mean, if something *can* work easily out of the box, thats great15:30
holsteini think most folks know when their graphics cards are going to be a pain15:31
ScottLgood information about multi-head, i'll see about testing some later this afternoon too16:09
falktxhm, it seems like I can't be present in this meeting (have to go in 30mins)16:24
falktxScottL: holstein: what is the irc channel for it? (so I can at least read backscroll when I get back)16:24
astraljavaThis one.16:24
falktxoh, ok16:24
astraljavaOh no.16:24
falktxoops16:24
astraljava#ubuntu-meeting16:24
falktxok, I'm on it16:24
falktxastraljava: thanks16:24
astraljavaAt least the last time around.16:24
ScottLyeah, so we can use the bot, right astraljava ?16:24
astraljavaNo prob.16:25
astraljavaYep.16:25
stochasticScottL, how long from now is the meeting? one hour or five minutes?16:56
scott-upstairsstochastic, i'm sorry for the confusion, five minutes16:56
scott-upstairsastraljava, would you mind handling the bot please?16:56
astraljavaOops, lemme go find the commands.16:58
astraljavaMeeting logs from today's meeting can be found @ http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-06-17.00.moin.txt18:10
astraljavaI'll send them to the mailing lists as well.18:10
astraljavashnatsel: Did you find the convenient time you talked about?18:16
shnatselastraljava: nope, failed to look it up on time18:16
astraljavaIt's alright, if you can find it now, please let me know, I'm writing to the list about it as well while announcing the meeting logs.18:17
astraljavashnatsel: Alright, well I'll send the mail now, you can join the thread then later.19:17
falktxstupid network, I lost all meeting19:21
falktxcan someone point me to the log file?19:21
falktxthanks19:21
astraljavafalktx: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-06-17.00.moin.txt19:22
falktxastraljava: ok, thanks, I'll read all that soon19:23
scott-upstairsastraljava, wow, meetingology bloody rocks!22:43
scott-upstairsi've been reviewing the log from the meeting, it does a good job of it22:43
knomehey scott-upstairs :)22:44
scott-upstairshi knome!  how are you doing?22:45
scott-upstairsaren't you back early?22:45
knomefine!22:45
knomenope22:45
knomethe deadline was 24 hours and 45 mins ago22:46
scott-upstairsdid you see my updated website blueprint?  i think i'm started to get the _jena se qua_ of the website now22:47
knomei did, briefly :)22:47
scott-upstairsi had a helluvva good time at uds and now have lots and lots i want to get done :)22:47
knomethat's what happens after uds22:47
knomedon't burn yourself out22:47
astraljavascott-upstairs: Yeah, we have a lot to thank for Alan.22:49
knomepope?22:50
scott-upstairsknome, after an initial flurry of activity i want to focus on keeping others active22:50
astraljavaNo, Bell.22:50
scott-upstairsalthough i realize that there are many items that i have already committed as well22:50
knomescott-upstairs, that's what i want to do with xubuntu too22:50
knomescott-upstairs, we probably should really cooperate more22:50
scott-upstairsknome, i agree22:51
scott-upstairsthe biggest concern i have about that is the lack of bodies from ubuntu studio22:52
scott-upstairswell, and people who can really tackle some of these issues and get it done22:52
scott-upstairs(myself included)22:52
knomei don't think it's about bodycount ;)22:52
knomeit's more like, try to organize stuff together22:52
knomeeven if we had our own projects22:52
knomebut try not to duplicate work, at least22:52
scott-upstairsknome, well, i'm basically planning on stealing what xubuntu has done for the theme,UI, icon set22:53
scott-upstairsis that collaborating?22:53
scott-upstairs;)22:53
scott-upstairsalthough i have been trying to get falktx and madnick to work together on the lightdm stuff22:54
knomein a way, yeah22:54
knomewe're working on something really cool, like an easter egg22:54
scott-upstairsi had seen a really great image as a prototype of the lightdm i wanted to get as an example22:54
knomea game for plymouth when you get the occasional disk check22:54
scott-upstairsand i wanted to use it to base the lightdm and wallpaper on22:54
scott-upstairsmadnick showed me the game, that's bloody impressive22:54
knomeyeah ;)22:54
knomethe pacman game was a bit unresponsive though22:55
knomewe might go with something like mastermind22:55
madnicki showed the lightdm game :)22:55
knomeih22:55
knomeoh22:55
knome;)22:55
scott-upstairsif i could get someone to email me back with that image i wanted a theme across the lightdm and wallpaper images, but i don't think it's going to happen :(22:56
scott-upstairsi should have taken a bloody picture when i was in that session :/22:56
knomeyou don't have the image anymore?22:56
knomeawwh22:56
knome:)22:56
scott-upstairsthe basic thrust was that it incorporate the dot graph image that is pervasive these days, but done somewhat subtly22:58
scott-upstairsin lighter parts of the image it was not visible, against the darker areas it was22:58
knomehmmh22:58
knomeright22:58
knomewhat was the image about then22:58
scott-upstairsthe image was a landscape, lots of green22:58
scott-upstairsa lake on the bottom right with mountains in the back22:59
scott-upstairsthe graph looked like it almost faded from top left corner to the bottom right22:59
scott-upstairsi was inspired to consider doing that to the ubuntu studio CoF as well, almost on a microscale22:59
scott-upstairsso if our wallpaper was a graph that was visible top left and faded to bottom right23:00
scott-upstairsour cof would be located in the bottom right23:00
madnickhttps://launchpadlibrarian.net/79250654/login_screen_v02_WP.mov23:00
scott-upstairsthe cof would be graph top left and transition to normal at bottom right23:00
scott-upstairsi am downloading that movie now23:01
* knome too23:01
scott-upstairsi have seen another movie but i cannot tell that this is the same one or not yet23:01
madnicksorry sorry, it is wrong, i found it in the design document23:01
madnickbut it is the wrong video, its supposed to be Ö"_long.mov"23:01
scott-upstairsi emailed john.lea about it but i don't know that he will respond or not23:01
madnickbut that one is gone23:01
scott-upstairsit's okay, it frees us up to work together23:02
scott-upstairsi blelieve what i saw was only an image23:02
scott-upstairsand it was only pulled up to explain a point during a discussion23:02
knomeprobably23:02
scott-upstairsi don't think it was intended to be included23:02
knomeshouldn't be too hard to do what you described thoug23:02
knome+h23:02
scott-upstairsknome, for some with graphic designing experience or skills it shouldn't be ;)23:05
scott-upstairsbut i have longed to have thematic qualities across lightdm, wallpaper, et al23:06
knomemm-hmm23:06
knomeof course23:06
scott-upstairsgetting someone artistically bent to help us would be nice and unfortunately those of which i am aware (canonical/ubuntu guys) obviously already have work to do ;)23:07
knomei suppose i could help if there is nobody else showing up23:08
scott-upstairswe should also talk to falktx when he is around as well, he has an artistic eye, if not somewhat dark23:09
knomemmh23:10
knomemy eye is blueish23:10
scott-upstairsi almost wouldn't mind an overall grey thematic quality, almost with greyscale images23:11
knome:)23:11
scott-upstairshttp://ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/Ambiance+dark?content=13287523:12
scott-upstairsi like this desktop, others do not and i will not force this upon them23:12
knomedark themes have their problems23:12
scott-upstairsi am partial to the greybird theme, i find it very easthically pleasing in it's elegance and simplicity23:14
scott-upstairspractically perfect for what i think ubuntu studio should use23:14
scott-upstairsnow, if we could manage some art work that reflects this state23:15
scott-upstairsa grey scale ubuntu studio cof might be nice23:16
knomescott-upstairs, the same that is in the logo now?23:18
scott-upstairscould be but doesn't have to be23:18
scott-upstairsthis is a migration for ubuntu studio, in my opinion23:18
scott-upstairsa journey23:18
knomeif not, what are you thinking about then?23:18
scott-upstairsknome, i don't have a definitive vision for it23:19
scott-upstairsbut i don't think we need to be beholden to what has been done23:19
scott-upstairsi would like to nod to the past, but not repeat it23:19
knomemmhmm23:19
scott-upstairsknome, did you see the new start trek (2009)?23:20
scott-upstairsstar, not start23:20
scott-upstairsare you also a fan of previous star trek's?23:20
knomenope, i'm not really into scifi or fantasy :)23:20
scott-upstairsah, it's okay23:21
knomeheh, of COURSE it's okay ;)23:21
scott-upstairslol23:21
astraljavaNo, not really. Get outta this channel.23:22
scott-upstairsthe new star trek is not just a remake of the previous star trek, it is a reboot23:22
scott-upstairsbasically, the new star trek ackowledged the previous star trek movies, but did not follow the same story23:22
scott-upstairsit was a derivative rewrite of it23:22
knomeastraljava, get out of the #xubuntu channels ;)23:22
scott-upstairslol23:22
astraljavaDamnit.23:22
scott-upstairsi would be very interested if someone would make something clever-clever for a new CoF that was new and fresh, while still acknowledging the old23:23
knomescott-upstairs, i see23:23
scott-upstairsbut since i don't really ahve a crisp vision, i do not pursue at this time23:23
scott-upstairswe (and i) have enough to do as it is23:23
astraljavaCoF?23:24
knomecircle of friends23:24
madnickcircle of friends23:24
astraljavaAhh... ok.23:24
scott-upstairsour cof is based on the concept of 'sound waves'23:24
scott-upstairsi wouldn't mind playing off of that or change the colors or converting to grey scale23:25
scott-upstairsor have it transition from full, solid shapes into the graph or doted lines23:25
scott-upstairsooh, ooh, ooh...here's something:  http://developer.ubuntu.com/23:26
scott-upstairslook at the CoF in the background, top right23:26
knomeheh!23:26
scott-upstairswhat if the cof start top left as dots, then transitioned to how it is now?23:26
scott-upstairsor something similar23:26
scott-upstairsbut if i had one goal, it would be to thematically tie in all our art with a single concept and i think the graph would be it to also tie in with ubuntu23:27
scott-upstairsperhaps done subtly or different, not to look too derivative, but still there23:27
scott-upstairsi also was made aware of design.ubuntu.com at uds23:29
scott-upstairsso many new places to look and read and be inspired :)23:29
knomeisn't it quite new23:29
scott-upstairswell, it's 'new' to me :P23:29
scott-upstairsand i'm starting to use ubuntu monospace for my desktop as well23:29
knomeafaik it's objectively new23:30
madnickit is a really great font23:31
micahgscott-upstairs: let me know when you're ready to try some simple merges (after this week)23:32
scott-upstairsmicahg, defintely after this week ;)  i'm trying to get many things done after learning so much at uds :)23:33
scott-upstairsmicahg, but i am very interested in doing so23:33
* micahg sync'd blender last night23:34
* scott-upstairs really likes blender23:37
* knome wants to use /me too23:39
astraljavasheep23:39
scott-upstairsoops, wife is home, have to help with getting groceries inside23:41
knomelol23:41
knomegood luck !!23:41
scott-upstairsback23:58
scott-upstairsworking on several wiki pages and want to get many emails out tonight23:59
scott-upstairsi'm probably geeking out on the emails, but i was really touched by the people i met at uds23:59

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