[04:31] <madnick> bug 886401
[04:32] <madnick> infact the entire prodecure is gnome centric
[04:32] <madnick> however the exact issue is this:
[04:32] <madnick> #define DESKTOP_BACKGROUND_PROPERTIES_COMMAND "gnome-appearance-properties --show-page=background"
[04:33] <holstein> hmmm
[04:33] <holstein> it works for me
[04:33] <madnick> to click settings?
[04:33] <holstein> maybe because i have gnome services enabled
[04:34] <holstein> right-click and 'set as wallpaper'
[04:34] <holstein> is that whats borked?
[04:34] <madnick> Well, that may be due to not having gnome services, but clicking settings afterwards
[04:35] <madnick> is broken, even with, i suspect
[04:36] <holstein> not sure... i get the wallpaper set, and im unable to reproduce a settings error
[04:36] <madnick> Oh
[04:36] <holstein> i'll re-read the bug though
[04:36] <holstein> maybe im not doing it right
[04:36] <madnick> If it works, comment that he could enable gnome-services :P
[04:37] <holstein> yeah, that would tell us if that is the fix i suppose
[04:45] <madnick> Another issue is that, logging in with an XFCE session
[04:45] <madnick> overwrites some data related to appearence
[09:55] <nikolam> Hi. How to report a bug about ubuntu-bug unable to report bugs?
[10:04] <astraljava> https://bugs.launchpad.net/apport/+filebug
[10:08] <nikolam> ok, I did not know that reporting bugs on LP without ubuntu-bug works again
[10:08] <astraljava> It's been working for quite a while now.
[10:11] <nikolam> ah, it was a long time I reported bug, too. Ok, thanks.
[10:11] <astraljava> No prob.
[11:38] <SiDi> I can't believe gmusicbrowser has been set to default. The volume button in the app doesn't even work (ok, that MIGHT be because of Gstreamer, didnt check backtraces :D).
[11:52] <knome> SiDi, it's much lighter and now better-looking too than exaile
[11:52] <knome> SiDi, the problem with the volume control exists in oneiric only, afaik
[11:52] <knome> (i don't really know since i only use the hardware volume control
[11:55] <SiDi> knome: it's less intuitive imho. And there are things that are just confusing, the way playlists are managed is not straightforward, and I've had a hard time finding how to use the queue/current playlist/saved playlists, and what was this thing in the right side. I also didnt find how to sort albums by artists, there is no management of compilations (making it hard to find all songs of an album)
[11:56] <SiDi> Also, why does the app tell you to go to the settings when the library is empty? A big "Add music to library" button could be added with no effort, and it would make it easier for users, who wouldnt have to find the settings icon and then browse through menus, to get their first experience of the player
[12:00] <knome> SiDi, there is management for compilations
[12:01] <knome> SiDi, select all songs in compilation, right-click -> song properties -> set "compilation"
[12:01] <knome> SiDi, it is true that "playlists" are not the most intuitive in gmb, but it has great filtering capabilities
[12:01] <knome> SiDi, the thing in the right side ??
[12:02] <knome> SiDi, are you sure you are using the "shimmer" layout? :P
[12:04] <SiDi> im using the default layout mate
[12:04] <SiDi> well now the Exaile one. :p :p force of habit
[12:05] <SiDi> i think playlist management should be audited. it's one thing i think was pretty clear in Exaile. Maybe it wasnt as powerful but I made sure that it didnt feel to weird or obscure to be used
[12:05] <SiDi> compilations... should i really go through the pain of selecting the songs myself?
[12:05] <knome> SiDi, i suppose so.
[12:06] <SiDi> in exaile when an album has several artists, its a compilation, unless there is an albumartist tag which then indicates the main artist of the album and in which case other artists are just featured in a song
[12:06] <knome> SiDi, maybe you should have a chat with ochosi, he can explain things better and knows more about them than me
[12:06] <knome> SiDi, there is albumartist in gmb too
[12:06] <SiDi> i think there should be an option to undo automatic compilations, instead of having to do them on my own :)
[12:07] <knome> i don't really use playlists, so i don't know about those, or what is intuitive or not
[12:07] <knome> i just use the queue tab if i need something to play after the current songs
[12:08] <SiDi> okie
[12:10] <knome> as i'm doing right now ;)
[15:26] <ochosi> SiDi: i never had a problem with compilations
[15:26] <ochosi> what problem are you having there?
[15:27] <GridCube> :D ochosi im using the netbook now!
[15:27] <GridCube> :D
[15:27] <ochosi> nice, so it's working ok even with the touchscreen?
[15:27] <SiDi> ochosi: they are not displayed automatically. I have plenty of artists with "1" song.
[15:27] <GridCube> :D yes touchscreen worked out of the box
[15:28] <ochosi> SiDi: hm, strange, the grouping should take care of that. maybe the album has differing albumartists
[15:30] <SiDi> omg gmusicbrowser's options are so complex *.*
[15:30] <ochosi> hehe
[15:30] <ochosi> i know
[15:30] <SiDi> i think its *insane*
[15:30] <ochosi> that's why i created a rather easy-to-use layout for it
[15:30] <ochosi> btw, exaile was also broken
[15:30] <ochosi> and there was no-one to fix it
[15:30] <ochosi> so...
[15:31] <SiDi> i also suspect the french translation not to be so great...
[15:31] <SiDi> yeah i know
[15:31] <SiDi> but its more a gstreamer problem in 11.10 i think
[15:31] <ochosi> the french translation of gmb?
[15:31] <SiDi> yeah
[15:31] <ochosi> the dev is french ;)
[15:31] <SiDi> some words feel weird
[15:31] <ochosi> so go and complain in #gmusicbrowser to squentin ;)
[15:31] <SiDi> i dont even know how to translate in order to say whats wrong
[15:32] <SiDi> i cant be arsed :D
[15:32] <SiDi> i think the problem with gmb is kind of global. Things were put together, it can do a lot of things, ok, but the way features can be reached is just chaotic :D
[15:33] <SiDi> i can do file management from the playlist, just as i have auto modifiers for song tags (some of them i dont even understand what they are for)
[15:33] <SiDi> i think menus should be redesigned so that features are sorted by family, even if it takes more clicks, because it just makes life much more simple for newcomers
[15:34] <SiDi> also there are bugs :p
[15:34] <SiDi> (loves to whine)
[15:34] <ochosi> yeah, please don't, i'm almost crying myself now... :)
[15:35] <SiDi> :D
[15:35] <GridCube> SiDi, :P you can always try other media centers, i like exaile and rhythmbox myself
[15:36] <SiDi> GridCube: i'm a former exaile contributor, but it doesnt work on 11.10 and i didnt investigate yet.
[15:36] <SiDi> even if i admit I SHOULD have worked on exaile so that it keeps working
[15:36] <SiDi> i think gmb is not a better player :p
[15:37] <GridCube> it is not by far even a "good" player
[15:38] <astraljava> What, gmusicbrowser?
[15:38] <GridCube> yes
[15:39] <SiDi> im not arguing that :p it has potential because it has many features (meaning a probably clean and flexible underlying architecture)
[15:39] <astraljava> Hmm, interesting.
[15:39] <SiDi> it just needs a lot of love from HCI people i think
[15:39] <GridCube> if you can not search something, and that be played, then its just bad
[15:40] <astraljava> Please elaborate, that doesn't make much sense.
[15:41] <GridCube> say you have a music collection, of 10000 songs, and you use the "search" option, it will search NOT on your collection, but on the "current playlist" wich has all the 10000 songs and will not play whatever you searched but the whole playlist instead
[15:42] <SiDi> astraljava: who shall elaborate?
[15:42] <astraljava> GridCube: Ahh... ok. Haven't used such a feature.
[15:43] <SiDi> (besides i spent 90% of my irc time on the two last days whining to ochosi and knome just ask them for the irc logs :p)
[15:43] <astraljava> SiDi: I meant the one who did so.
[15:43] <GridCube> its not a feature, its how it works just after you install it
[15:43] <GridCube> or add songs to the library
[15:43] <astraljava> Umm... in my view, a feature isn't anything you add later on.
[15:44] <astraljava> It's something how the app just works.
[16:10] <GridCube> mmhm
[16:10] <GridCube> well its not userfriendly
[16:17] <astraljava> I can admit that much, sounds like it hasn't been tested.
[18:17] <astraljava> Did we have a meeting today or tomorrow?
[18:17] <madnick> tomorrow
[18:18] <astraljava> Ok, thanks.
[18:18] <madnick> 22 UTC
[18:18] <astraljava> So it's not actually even tomorrow, for me.
[18:18] <madnick> :D
[18:18] <madnick> Not for me either :P
[18:18] <astraljava> Really? You're not in Sweden?
[18:19] <madnick> 22 UTC in Sweden is 00:00
[18:19] <astraljava> We're out of DST.
[18:19] <madnick> oh
[18:19] <madnick> 23:00
[23:10] <madnick> is gthumb is to be included in 12.04, it would be wise to have an extension for xfce ready
[23:11] <knome> madnick, i'm hoping ristretto is in usable state again for 12.04
[23:11] <madnick> okay :)
[23:11] <knome> madnick, and it seems it will, so i'd go with that
[23:11] <knome> but that's only my opinion