[00:07] <jmichaelx> i'm about half scared to update to 4.7.3
[00:12] <phoenix_firebrd> jmichaelx: i am updating to 4.7.3
[00:13] <jmichaelx> phoenix_firebrd: my experience is that in updating KDE, one is just generally exchanging old bugs for new bugs
[00:14] <phoenix_firebrd> jmichaelx: any way we are trying to remove the bugs
[01:06] <jmichaelx> so i have ia32-libs installed. i am wanting to set up the android SDK on a 64-bit system (running oneiric), should this be all i need? (i am slightly confused by the move to multi-arch support)
[01:19] <hays> is there anything wrong with the .iso for amd64 on the website
[01:19] <hays> i downloaded it and can't mount
[01:20] <hays> the md5 checks out
[01:24] <well_laid_lawn> hays: how are you trying to mount it?
[01:24] <hays> double clicking in macos
[01:24] <well_laid_lawn> I've no idea how macs mount stuff...
[01:26] <hays> hmm
[01:27] <well_laid_lawn> maybe try a mac channel since the iso pasess the md5 check
[01:33] <Guest401> I've about had it with kubuntu and it's weird behavior.  Can anyone tell me why all of a sudden I can't access my ntfs drive?  has there been a rash of this?
[01:33] <Guest401> All of a sudden I nee authentication to mount the device.
[01:42] <Guest401> wow.
[01:45] <phiscribe> what is a way to manage users across multiple mahcines?  not sure ldap or samba is what i want to get into, just something that can sync passwords and permisions, maybe ldap or samba is what i want, suggestions?
[01:54] <andreas__> okay, here is coming.
[01:55] <andreas__> good bye.......
[01:55]  * phiscribe is leary of webmin, it does do many things i would like done
[02:08] <EvilResistance> !webmin
[02:08] <EvilResistance> phiscribe:  ^
[02:09] <phiscribe> yeah i was looking at that, thanks
[02:09] <phiscribe> i just wonder maybe if i just make something that looks liek ebox or zentyal
[02:10] <Linkmaster> Is there a problem with kubuntu/ubuntu installers with an input/output error?
[02:12] <phiscribe> which error Linkmaster
[02:13] <Linkmaster> phiscribe: "warning: failure trying to run: chroot /target dpk --force-depends --install /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.16.0.3ubuntu5_amd64.deb
[02:13] <Linkmaster> I'm using the alternate 64bit installer, because the main 11.10 32bit installer crashed halfway through every time, and I have no clue why its not working
[02:16] <phiscribe> so kinda multiarch bug, im not sure Linkmaster sorry
[02:16] <phiscribe> does it die right there or go on?
[02:16] <Linkmaster> I try hitting 'continue'
[02:17] <phiscribe> tab keys and enter? arroow keys?
[02:17] <Linkmaster> "base system installation error: the debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1). check /var/log/ssylog or see virtual console 4 for the details"
[02:17] <phiscribe> whats in syslog
[02:18] <Linkmaster> How do you get there?
[02:19] <phiscribe> you at the command line?
[02:19] <Linkmaster> no, its the alternate installer thing
[02:20] <phiscribe> i dont know enough aboutthe alt installer to know how ot get a tty from there or if u can
[02:20] <Linkmaster> ugh...
[02:20] <Linkmaster> yofel: I hate bothering you, but I need your intellect
[02:21] <phiscribe> Linkmaster:  it COULD be a bad CD
[02:22] <phiscribe> might wanna check the md5dums and burn it a bit slower
[02:22] <Linkmaster> Its not a bad CD, its a USB, and the image is good(I believe)
[02:24] <phiscribe> debootstrap program exited with an error ---its not seeing something it wants, id check teh md5 to be sure
[02:24] <phiscribe>  alt +ft might gvie you a tty
[02:24] <phiscribe> alt +f4 that is
[02:24] <Linkmaster> I dont know how to with my current os(its a kiosked mode opensuse)
[02:26] <romeyro> hi everyone, i want to set a web server + ssl on my kubuntu, doesnt anyone know a good tutorial.
[02:26] <Linkmaster> phiscribe: do you think I should manually add that file into it?
[02:27] <phiscribe> linkhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[02:28] <phiscribe> i think that if you arent sure if the image you are booting with is good or bad, it is higher on the diagnostic prong to check
[02:29] <Linkmaster> phiscribe: I'm just annoyed now...I told my friend I'd have his computer good-to-go during the weekend, and its being blasted with me, and I don't even know why
[02:30] <phiscribe> have u got another box laying aring Linkmaster that you can see if the usb will work
[02:30] <phiscribe> or if it has a cd burm a cd
[02:30] <Linkmaster> what do you mean?
[02:32] <phiscribe> instead of using the usb, burn a CD and use it to boot, if you have access, if not maybe use a live boot, but check the md4 before you burn, some burn programs do this auto
[02:34] <Linkmaster> phiscribe: I have no CD's...I can use a different USB though. and I have only alternate images, since I got kind of tired of the live installers not working
[02:35] <phiscribe> romeyro: apache is probably what you will want in the linux verse, but its not the only route
[02:35] <Linkmaster> phiscribe: the md5sum is exact. I try to change the partitioning sequence, and now I get an input/output error
[02:35] <phiscribe> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/httpd.html
[02:35] <Linkmaster> * on /dev/sda
[02:36] <romeyro> phiscribe: i used apache for years, but i never set ssl
[02:36] <phiscribe> well whats the input output error, i saw teh chroot error and the boot strap error
[02:37] <phiscribe> romeyro:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/forum/server/apache2/SSL        https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenSSL
[02:37] <romeyro> phiscribe: my Internet provider service block the port 80, so my website is only available from my local network. but if i use ssl its gonna be on the port 443
[02:38] <romeyro> phiscribe: thank you
[02:38] <phiscribe> romeyro: your describing slightly diffrent things,
[02:39] <phiscribe> you can set appache to use any port, with no need for ssh, what you are describing is a tunneling setup, for....what im not sure
[02:40] <phiscribe> you could use a DDns service to redirect peeople wanting into your port 80 to another port, circemventing your ISP's limitation, all without ssl
[02:42] <canis_> okay, let's try this again.  Can anyone tell me why all of a sudden policy kit is popping up asking me for a root password tha I evidently don't have?
[02:42] <romeyro> phiscribe: i already tried with no-ip.com. i changed apache port to 8080 and it worked. And from no-ip.com i can not get a redirect to the port 80
[02:43] <romeyro> phiscribe:  it should be different. And mywebsite.com:8080 doesnt look cool in the browser
[02:44] <phiscribe> dont redirect to port 80 romeyro, redirecto 2392 or pick one thats out of the way on the web server
[02:45] <romeyro> phiscribe: but 2392, in this case, gonna appear in the browser :S
[02:45] <romeyro> phiscribe: in the address bar
[02:45] <canis_> i can't access my ntfs partition, I can't upsate...who knows what else I can't do.
[02:45] <phiscribe> scenerio - soemone types in www.my-ddns-ip.com     that sends them to the my-ddns-ip service, on their web server on port 80 not blocked by isp, that redirects them to your home server running on another port besides 80 that is open and allowed by ytour isp
[02:46] <phiscribe> canis, upgrade?  clean?
[02:46] <phiscribe> canis_:  that is
[02:46] <canis_> Clean
[02:47] <phiscribe> did u install ubuntu one?
[02:47] <canis_> It just starte today, i didn't even install anything.
[02:47] <romeyro> phiscribe: so it ll be only in my local network the port will appear and not from the internet ?
[02:47] <canis_> no ubuntu one.
[02:49] <phiscribe> canis_: no clue, id look to see if there are groups and users set for the wrong folders, (like /home/userjoe  set to user root and group root)
[02:49] <phiscribe> if you use sudo on any gui app it can cause weirdness with permsions, seems more soo in kde, have to do kdesudo
[02:49] <romeyro> i ll be right back i need to restart my pc
[02:51] <canis_> i can acces my external ntfs, i just can't get to my windows partition, or update for some reason.  Is there a more "tech channel somewhere?
[02:51] <j_dulaney> Who here went to SELF 2011?
[02:51] <canis_> i couldn't find anything on the net directly related to this issue in kubuntu.
[02:51] <phiscribe> romeyro:  you get a service to give you say romeyro.service.com....they associate www.romeyro.service.com with the ip address of your home server, and you should be able to set it to go to a specific port, all happes outside your isp and your network, localy, you run a web server on a port besides 80 that the isp allows
[02:51]  * j_dulaney is trying to find someone he ran into there that is with Kubuntu/KDE
[02:52] <well_laid_lawn> canis_: is the windows partition found in   sudi fdisk -l   ?
[02:52] <well_laid_lawn> canis_: is the windows partition found in   sudo fdisk -l   ?
[02:52] <canis_> wait one
[02:52] <phiscribe> canis_: can you manualy mount it?  is it an fstab entry?  fstab has some bugs lately
[02:52] <canis_> I can see it in the side bar.
[02:53] <well_laid_lawn> fdisk doesn't have a side bar
[02:53] <canis_> I am not in the sudoers file...That's another thing that just started happening
[02:53] <phiscribe> ive read that some ntfs mounts sdt to mount automaticaly in fstab dont anymore, workaround, manualymount till they fix it
[02:54] <phiscribe> ok now your taling alien abduction
[02:54] <well_laid_lawn> sounds like things got borked on the upgrade
[02:54] <canis_> I didn't upgrade.
[02:54] <phiscribe> he is running clean
[02:54] <well_laid_lawn> when did these issues start coming up then?
[02:54] <canis_>   however I left my laptop with the screen locked for about 7 jours yesterday, and when I came back it was unlocked.
[02:55] <canis_> I just noticed it starting earlier today...let me go talk to my little sister.
[02:55] <well_laid_lawn> heh ;)
[02:55] <phiscribe> many users?  if just one or two ,m try setting user and groups back to who they belong, (assuming they are a bit off)
[02:55] <phiscribe> little sister, the plot thinkings
[02:55] <phiscribe> thickens even
[02:56]  * phiscribe imagines little sisters saying, but it looks like a cup holder
[02:57] <canis_> Sigh.
[02:57] <canis_> I'm sure she did something...i knew I should have changed my password.
[02:57] <well_laid_lawn> there might be a clue in the logs
[02:58] <well_laid_lawn> which one I wouldn't know
[02:58] <canis_> How can i check?
[02:58] <well_laid_lawn> there's no easy way I know 'cept reading
[02:58] <well_laid_lawn> the logs should all be timestamped
[02:58] <phiscribe> ksyslog is a tool to view logs
[02:59] <phiscribe> otherwise look at the files in /var/log  syslog kern auth
[02:59] <canis_> okay
[02:59] <Snowhog> canis_: See http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword
[02:59] <phiscribe> .Xsession-errors in your home folder might have erros (i am sure i spelled that wrong)
[03:00] <canis_> It isn't my password that's messed up.  I'm not a part of sudoers anymore.
[03:00] <phiscribe> one another topic, anyone know how to make notifications, TALK with what ever enginge
[03:00] <phiscribe> do you think i need typing lessons
[03:00] <EvilResistance> canis_:  that might be something to take up with whomever modified your system.
[03:00] <EvilResistance> if you're not in sudoers there's not much you can do
[03:01] <phiscribe> canis_: if you can boot with a CD you can man handle it with chroot
[03:01] <canis_> What I'm trying to figure out is how it could happen by accident.  no one here even knows how to use linux properly...evidently that includes myself.
[03:02] <phiscribe> canis_: you are assuming accidental
[03:02] <canis_> I had to be.
[03:02] <canis_> I'm telling you, the computer literacy in this house is laughable.
[03:02] <phiscribe> if its net connected
[03:03] <well_laid_lawn> there's so many possibilities
[03:03] <phiscribe> u got around 6 billion possible culprits
[03:03] <well_laid_lawn> first guess is your groups got changed
[03:03] <canis_> I've been having weird issues with kubuntu from the start anyway.
[03:03] <well_laid_lawn> that could be from a bad cd burn
[03:04] <canis_> 2 different installs on 2 computers, and the same issues...floating panel bar.
[03:04] <well_laid_lawn> since it is just you with these sort of issues
[03:04] <canis_> Various things.
[03:04] <canis_> I was thinking that, but it checked out ok.  i think i'm being targeted by the G men for their own amusement.
[03:05] <well_laid_lawn> I'm sure they'd have a better sport
[03:05] <canis_> never underestiamte the petty nature of man.
[03:06] <canis_> I'm going to restart for an attempt to recover.
[03:10] <canis_> quick question
[03:11] <canis_> i was thinking about reinstalling...i noticed that if you don't format then the user files tend to stay where they are when using ubuntu, does this apply to kubuntu as well?
[03:18] <canis_> okay, this is nuts.  I believe my sister now.
[03:19] <canis_> i've been experiencing random log offs too.
[03:19] <phoenix_firebrd> canis_: may be the xserver crashes
[03:19] <canis_> I have no choice but to reinstall now...It kicked me out and won't take my password any more.
[03:20] <phoenix_firebrd> canis_: file corruption?
[03:20] <canis_> I'm going to install from a usb and see what happens...maybe i'll use my external to do it.
[03:20] <canis_> I never got any warning, and i checked my diska about 2 weeks ago.
[03:21] <canis_> I may end up going back to ubuntu.
[03:21] <phoenix_firebrd> canis_: did you try to login from bash?
[03:22] <canis_> do I keep my file structure and personal file if i don't format the drive on a reinstall?
[03:22] <phoenix_firebrd> canis_: yes
[03:22] <canis_>   i didn't try from bash as no terminal would take My root password.
[03:22] <canis_> ok, how about downloaded software?
[03:23] <phoenix_firebrd> canis_: dont know about that, you better rename it to some name
[03:23] <phoenix_firebrd> canis_: i mean you rename your entire home folder to some other name
[03:24] <canis_> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING I CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE.  Whoops, sorry, but I'm not retyping that.
[03:25] <phoenix_firebrd> canis_: it is better that you backup all the files in the partition before you install
[03:26] <canis_> I really don't have anything that i can't afford to lose.  I kept almost everything backed up on the windows partition anyway.
[03:26] <phoenix_firebrd> canis_: have you tried this http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword
[03:26] <canis_> I just didn't want to spend half a day reinstalling software.  a lote of compiling to do!!!
[03:27] <canis_> Thanks, but I'd reather see if a USB install will fix the isues anyway.  It's been "off" from day one.  Might be this dell studio laptop, but i doubt it.
[03:28] <phoenix_firebrd> canis_:  try this before the install , i seems it may work , http://burnz.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/how-to-reset-ubuntu-root-password/
[03:30] <canis_> Hmmm, that's interesting.
[03:31] <canis_> i'll try that.
[03:32] <jmichaelx> canis_: had you actually created a root user, or...
[03:32] <jmichaelx> ok, nvm
[03:38] <canis_> Wouldn't do it.  something about a misplaced token or somesuch
[03:39] <jmichaelx> i presume you are talking about the sudo password for your user... you had not actually created a root user?
[03:39] <canis_> i got the same message for root, and for my normal logon.
[03:42] <phoenix_firebrd> canis_: have you run a disk check?
[03:43] <canis_> A couple of weeks ago...I did just notice somethign strange...i use a program called lili to make usb keys in windows, and it says that my kubuntu 11.10 image is not recognized.
[03:44] <canis_> how do i go about verifying the MD5?
[03:44] <canis_> I mean lili has 11.10 in it's list, so I suppose my download is corrupted.
[03:46] <canis_> The interesting thing is that i am pretty sure that i used a torrent program to get it.
[03:48] <jmichaelx> canis_: just type 'md5sum <filename>' in a terminal
[03:49] <jmichaelx> canis_: does not matter how you got it, you always check the reliability of your ISOs after downloading
[03:50] <canis_> i can do that in windows?
[03:51] <phoenix_firebrd> canis_: how do have a disk burning software in windows?
[03:52] <canis_> Yes?
[03:53] <phoenix_firebrd> canis_: nero?
[03:53] <canis_> I use imgburn but I see what you're getting at...I'll see if it can do taht.
[03:54] <phoenix_firebrd> canis_: ok
[03:54] <jmichaelx> canis_:  i am not sure how to check md5 sums in windows, but i'm sure it's not that difficult
[03:55] <phiscribe> canis_: i use cdburnerxp to burn in windows and there are  dozen windows md5 checkers
[03:55] <canis_> I just found  one
[03:57] <canis_> The MD5 checks out...
[03:57] <canis_> time for a reinstall.
[03:58] <phiscribe> yee haaw
[03:58] <canis_> I had used vuze to check the file against a new download, and that indicated that it was okay, but i don't really trust that.
[03:59] <canis_> be back in about an hour...Sheesh.
[04:25] <canis_> sooo
[04:26] <canis_> That took like 20 minutes, and I have to reinstall all my software, which sort of sucks because I still haave all of my preferences available so far.
[04:33] <Canis__> hello there.
[04:34] <Canis__> That took about 29 minues, and i at least have my prefs stil...wish i still had my software.
[04:43] <adarshajoisa> how do i open the software update window in kubuntu 11.10?
[04:46] <Snowhog> adarshajoisa: If you want to update the package cache, and then check for installed package updates, open a console and type: sudu apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:47] <Snowhog> type: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:48] <adarshajoisa> when i try apt-get update, it says: "Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead."
[04:49] <Snowhog> adarshajoisa: That means that you have one or more resources that are 'old'. Is this a new 11.10 installation or an upgrade from an earlier version?
[04:50] <adarshajoisa> Snowhog: nope, it's a fresh install. But i've added one or 2 PPAs manually, so i might've added the older versions.
[04:51] <Snowhog> adarshajoisa: It will be the PPAs then. A fresh install would be using the proper 11.10 repositories.
[04:51] <yoga> u
[04:51] <adarshajoisa> Snowhog: ok. how can i get the update working now?
[04:52] <yoga> exity
[04:52] <yoga> exit
[04:52] <Snowhog> adarshajoisa: It is working, it's just ignoring/not using one or more of your added PPAs.
[04:53] <adarshajoisa> Snowhog: ok.
[04:54] <Snowhog> adarshajoisa: You can check your PPA lists (in /etc/apt/sources.d/ and ensure that they reference oneiric and not an earlier version.
[04:54] <adarshajoisa> Snowhog: ok. thanks! will do that.
[05:01] <yoga> I cannot hibernate my laptop, it won't turn off if I select Hibernate from the KDE menu.
[05:01] <yoga> The screen just go black.
[05:06] <ashfaq> I am facing problems connecting to internet over 3g usb modem Huwavi 173
[05:07] <ashfaq> Also the cd rom having .exe files is shown, can I install Mobile partner .exe file?   ow?
[05:09] <ashfaq> some on please help me out if ther is a solution!
[05:40] <myers> is there a way to set a password on a folder in kubuntu?
[05:40] <myers> so that it needs a password to open?
[05:43] <myers> #join kde
[05:44] <myers> join #kde
[05:45] <phiscribe> myers: i think no in the sense that you mean, you can set it so only the owner (or maybe root) can view edit or delete the files, but its per user, not per password
[05:46] <myers> well if some one uses or gets on my account i need to put passwords on some folders
[05:46] <phiscribe> what you could do myers is encrypt a folder, kde has some built in encryption tools, then it would talk a password to open, or use truecrypt to make a mountable virtual folder that needs a password
[05:46] <phiscribe> take not talk
[05:47] <myers> what are the encryptions tools? where do i go to use them?
[05:47] <yoga> exit
[05:49] <phiscribe> myers:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory   AND OR  http://www.truecrypt.org/
[05:51] <myers> what one is better?
[05:51] <phiscribe> red apples and green apples
[05:52] <phiscribe> i personaly like truecrypt
[05:53] <myers> is there anyway just to make it to where when the folder is clicked it ask for a password?
[05:53] <phiscribe> because, the virtual folder is portable, you can put it on a usb, it is dynamic, resizes asit needs too, is military grade encryption,
[05:54] <phiscribe> truecrypt cant do that persay, though it would be easy to make a short cut, it would maybe be possible to make a dolphin or natualis script to do it, (a line or two),
[05:55] <phiscribe> and if you forget your password, forget it, its all gone
[05:55] <phiscribe> unless its 1234 and why bother with military grade encrytion then?
[05:55] <Snowhog> myers: You might also want to look at the package encfs
[05:57] <myers> where would i look for that?
[05:57] <Snowhog> myers: It's in the repos, so just open your package manager and search on encfs and read what it does. Also, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FolderEncryption
[05:58] <phiscribe> myers: you might come up with something using dropbox
[05:58] <phiscribe> if you dont have lots of storage
[06:10] <phiscribe> something i am still not clear on with apt based systems management is if there is a way to get one package (and its dependacies) from say an unstable repository, and only that one package (and depedencies), better, a way to have difffrent versions side by side
[06:10] <phiscribe> with out all the spit and glue flying apart in your face
[06:12] <phoenix_firebrd> phiscribe: have you heard of project-neon?
[06:13] <phiscribe> no i havent
[06:13] <phiscribe> phoenix_firebrd:
[06:14] <phiscribe> http://www.projectneon.org/  is dead atm, i that the one?
[06:15] <phoenix_firebrd> phiscribe: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE
[06:16] <phoenix_firebrd> phiscribe: any software installed from project neon will be installed separately and hence it does not affect the current installation
[06:18] <phoenix_firebrd> phiscribe: since its a nightly build, its highly recommended for developers and testers only
[06:19] <phiscribe> not sure what the scoope kde is, was looking for a way to get newer digikam and kipi plugins immediealty, as when i use their ppa's its adding extra cruft that is killing updates, was also intersted in a more general solution, like having chromium 5, 6, 7 running side by side, but accessing libarries from that point in time
[06:20] <phiscribe> do linux apps when they start, look for needed libraries in the locale folder first, then follow the path?  maybe i could just dump all the dependiceis in one folder and see what happens
[06:21] <phoenix_firebrd> phiscribe: ya they search for dependency in different places, i dont know if it does do like windows does
[06:23] <phiscribe> like always i can think of a dozen ways to rig it in linux and not one off the shelf lol
[06:24] <phoenix_firebrd> phiscribe: there are standalone apps that you can try
[06:25] <phoenix_firebrd> phiscribe:  check this website http://portablelinuxapps.org/
[06:26] <phoenix_firebrd> phiscribe: there is a collection of standalone apps, no installation needed
[06:28] <phiscribe> ill see what they have, i guess i could complile, just i hate having peices of stuff all over, i have not used gentoo, but ive heard they have asomething called slots, wonder if there is an apt equiv
[06:28] <phiscribe> a way to profile or overlay or something
[06:30] <phoenix_firebrd> phiscribe: i cant understand what you mean
[06:32] <phiscribe> slotting:  Packages can support having multiple versions installed simultaneously.
[06:33] <phoenix_firebrd> phiscribe: oh, ok
[06:33] <phiscribe> im thinking my apt fu needs more focus, surely apts got something in it along these lines
[06:34] <phiscribe> i got configuration managment blues
[06:34] <phoenix_firebrd> phiscribe: sorry, got to go, bbl
[06:35] <phiscribe> phoenix_firebrd: just like to jaw, ill figure out soemthing or go sideways
[06:35] <phiscribe> thanks for an ear and a pulse hehe
[06:35] <phoenix_firebrd> phiscribe: :)
[07:30] <Guest86064> hi
[09:09] <eshlox> http://repogen.simplylinux.ch if i generate sources.list with this site this will work well? anyone use it?
[09:24] <lelamal_> Hi all. When I boot my computer I get the following notification:
[09:24] <lelamal_> Nepomuk Indexing Agents Have Been Disabled
[09:24] <lelamal_> The Nepomuk service is not available or fully operational and attempts to rectify this have failed. Therefore indexing of all data stored in the Akonadi PIM service has been disabled, which will severely limit the …
[09:24] <lelamal_> The following problems were detected: Calling the Nepomuk storage service failed: 'The name org.kde.NepomukStorage was not provided by any .service files'.
[09:24] <lelamal_> Additional help can be found here: userbase.kde.org/Akonadi
[09:24] <lelamal_> I would appreciate any help to solve this issue.
[09:27] <lelamal_> rebooting, be back in a bit
[09:28] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, I'm stuck on a problem. I'm running Kubuntu 11.04 and I can't add the trashbin to my task manager bar.
[09:44] <FlashDeluxe> hi i installed the current kubuntu on my notebook and i got  second screen plugged in. Now if i drag a program, e.g. dolphin to the second screen the program is in the background?! Does anybody got a suggestion on it?
[10:19] <arbrandes> hey dudes
[10:19] <arbrandes> What's the preferred way to get voice chat to work with a desktop app in Kubuntu?
[10:20] <arbrandes> Kopete doesn't seem to work
[10:20] <arbrandes> (I mean with Gtalk)
[11:41] <jtr__> do all the updates that are patched to us after we install kubuntu also made in the iso available for installation ?
[12:01] <audionb> anyone please?
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:34] <new> anyway to check why my kubuntu 11.10 is so slow? mainly using gimp but it lags in other things too.
[12:37] <BluesKaj> new, kmenu>apps>systemsettings>system/system monitor , check the montor for resource hogs ...most like nepomuk file indexer or akonadi
[12:37] <BluesKaj> likely
[12:54] <FlashDeluxe> hi i installed the current kubuntu on my notebook and i got  second screen plugged in. Now if i drag a program, e.g. dolphin to the second screen the program is in the background?! Does anybody got a suggestion on it?
[13:21] <sebastiano> hi, I updated my kubuntu to 11.10, now it's not shutting down anymore (jangs while showing the kubuntu logo)... any suggestions?
[13:21] <sebastiano> *hangs
[13:27] <cowboy_nick> anyone know how to change the kdm theme?
[13:47] <audionb> what's an easy way to draw a 1280*720 rectangle on my desktop?
[13:52] <audionb> i mean, how can i measure a part of my desktop?
[14:09] <panminyu> hello
[15:15] <lelamal_> Hi all, do you think it's a good idea to upgrade to 4.7.3 by using Kubuntu PPA?
[15:42] <romeyro> hello
[15:42] <romeyro> i have a trouble with wine
[15:43] <romeyro> the directory C: is not anymore on the menu, how can i get it back
[15:49]  * genii-around sips his coffee and contemplates the missing C:
[15:56] <lelamal_> Hi all, do you think it's a good idea to upgrade to 4.7.3 by using Kubuntu PPA?
[15:58] <genii-around> lelamal_: I'm using it and have not had much problems. But "Your Mileage May Vary" as the saying goes.
[15:58] <lelamal_> genii-around: thank you
[16:14] <rotsy> hi guys
[16:14] <rotsy> how do you install skype on kubuntu 11.10?
[16:15] <jtr__> sudo apt-get install skype ?
[16:16] <jtr__> rotsy: works - but there are some issues with skype on linux i think
[16:18] <rotsy> yeah
[16:18] <rotsy> it outputs "unable to locate package"
[16:18] <jtr__> rotsy: after the apt-get ?
[16:21] <kubuntuianer> Hello, can someone tell me how to change the background picture of kubunt 11.10?
[16:23] <kubuntuianer> Changing the background isnt possible anymore
[16:24] <genii-around> kubuntuianer: Rightclick on open spot on desktop...Desktop Settings... then on the right side of the pane should be Layout, Wallpaper, Positioning and so on
[16:24] <kubuntuianer> genii-around: Thanks but there isnt a menu called "Desktop Settings"
[16:25] <genii-around> kubuntuianer: What options ARE in the menu which appears?
[16:27] <kubuntuianer> genii-around: Create New - Paste Clipboard Content - Icons - Refresh Desktop - Open with Dolphin - Run Command - Activities - Unlock Widgets - Lock Screen - Leave - Folder View Settings
[16:28] <kubuntuianer> genii-around: Lol I found it
[16:28] <kubuntuianer> "Folder View Settings"
[16:28] <kubuntuianer> ^^
[16:28] <genii-around> Ah, you had your desktop set for Folder View
[16:28] <FlashDeluxe> hi i installed the current kubuntu on my notebook and i got  second screen plugged in. Now if i drag a program, e.g. dolphin to the second screen the program is in the background?! Does anybody got a suggestion on it?
[16:29] <kubuntuianer> genii-around:... yeah... thank you!
[16:31] <kubuntuianer> genii-around: do you know if it is somehow possible to change the login screen theme too?
[16:31] <kubuntuianer> >>> I mean login screen background
[16:40] <genii-around> kubuntuianer: Should be in System Settings... Login Screen ( in the System Administration grouping )
[16:47] <shb> what is this?
[16:49] <rotsy> jtr__ yes after apt-get
[16:50] <jtr__> rotsy: type locate skype
[16:51] <jtr__> rotsy: did you find skype binary?
[16:55] <rotsy> yeah i'm still looking
[16:56] <rotsy> jtr__ what's the extension of a binary file again ?
[16:56] <jtr__> rotsy: its just skype no extension, thats how u identify it
[16:57] <DarthFrog> rotsy: An executable file is identified by having its executable bit set.  If you look at the file permissions, you can see if it's set or not.
[16:58] <DarthFrog> !permissions | rotsy
[17:02] <rotsy> i couldn't find it
[17:02] <rotsy> the binary file
[17:02] <rotsy> i cant find it
[17:03] <DarthFrog> rotsy: Does the command "which skype" give any output?
[17:03] <rotsy> nope
[17:03] <DarthFrog> If yes, that's the binary.  If no, the binary is not in your path or not installed.
[17:04] <rotsy> ok so what do i do ?
[17:04] <OerHeks> skype is located in partner repo, isn't it ?
[17:05] <rotsy> "which skype" does not ouput anything, but i have already followed the steps here  http://blog.sudobits.com/2011/04/25/how-to-install-skype-on-ubuntu-11-04/
[17:05] <rotsy> so how come?
[17:05] <DarthFrog> OerHeks: Non-free/extra
[17:05] <DarthFrog> OerHeks: apt-cache show skype
[17:06] <OerHeks> ic thanks DarthFrog
[17:06] <DarthFrog> rotsy:  type "sudo apt-get install skype"
[17:07] <rotsy> unable to locate package skype
[17:07] <rotsy> that's the output
[17:07] <DarthFrog> rotsy: You don't have the proper repository enabled.
[17:07] <DarthFrog> rotsy: You have to enable the "non-free" & "extras" repo.
[17:07] <jtr__> rotsy: an advice -always type the nick of the person you are talking to, it shows a notification to the person, thats y i replied so late ( you can use tab to autocomplete the name if your IRC client allows that )
[17:08] <rotsy> jtr__: thanks for that
[17:08] <rotsy> DarthFrog: how do i do that ?
[17:08] <DarthFrog> rotsy: It allows for multiple conversations simultaneously.
[17:08] <DarthFrog> rotsy: Use the package manager.
[17:09] <DarthFrog> I don't use it so someone else will have to help you with it.
[17:09] <jtr__> DarthFrog: can't he do that from his software sources?
[17:10] <DarthFrog> jtr__: Yes.
[17:10] <jtr__> rotsy: do that
[17:10] <rotsy> jtr__:  so how do i proceed then
[17:10] <jtr__> rotsy: open software sources
[17:10] <rotsy> i'm new to ubuntu mate
[17:10] <DarthFrog> jtr__: Which will be part of the package manager, unless he edits the sources.list file manually. I don't think he wants to do that. :-)
[17:10] <jtr__> DarthFrog: definetly not ;)
[17:11] <jtr__> rotsy: wait i'll do it with you to tell you exacly what to do
[17:11] <rotsy> jtr__:  thanks
[17:11] <DarthFrog> rotsy: Are you running Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[17:11] <jtr__> open muon
[17:11] <jtr__> rotsy: open muon
[17:11] <jtr__> DarthFrog: its #kubuntu
[17:12] <DarthFrog> jtr__: Oh, I know that.  Does he?
[17:12] <jtr__> DarthFrog: lol xD
[17:12] <jtr__> rotsy: ubuntu or kubuntu , what are u using?
[17:12] <DarthFrog> jtr__: Ubuntu won't have muon.
[17:12] <rotsy> yeah it's kubuntu ;)
[17:12] <jtr__> DarthFrog: i know, but i assumed he had kubuntu
[17:12] <rotsy> muon is open
[17:12] <jtr__> rotsy: :)
[17:12] <DarthFrog> rotsy: Good choice! :-)
[17:13] <jtr__> rotsy: settings > configure software sources
[17:13] <rotsy> jtr__:  i prefer kde
[17:13] <jtr__> rotsy: good :)
[17:13] <rotsy> ok
[17:13] <rotsy> jtr__:  i'm ready
[17:14] <rotsy> configure software sources then what
[17:14] <jtr__> DarthFrog: help me from here
[17:14] <jtr__> rotsy:  you have to tick some options i think DarthFrog knows better , coz he gave you the advice in the first place
[17:15] <rotsy> DarthFrog:  how do i proceed from here on?
[17:15] <rotsy> jtr__:  thanks again
[17:16] <DarthFrog> rotsy: Did you enable the repo?
[17:17] <jtr__> rotsy: in other softwares tab check if independent is ticked, right DarthFrog?
[17:17] <rotsy> no i don't think so
[17:17] <rotsy> DarthFrog:  how do i do that ?
[17:17] <DarthFrog> rotsy: You said you preferred KDE.  Does that mean you know some Linux?
[17:18] <rotsy> DarthFrog:  that was a long time ago ;)
[17:18] <jtr__> DarthFrog: try making him do thing through the gui, will be easy for u :)
[17:18] <rotsy> jtr__:  it is ticked
[17:18] <jtr__> DarthFrog: i think the extras and non-free ppas should be added ?
[17:18] <DarthFrog> jtr__: No, it's harder for me.  I usually do all sysadmin from the command line.  I don't know the GUI app.
[17:19] <jtr__> DarthFrog: he can do that ?
[17:19] <rotsy> DarthFrog:  let's do it from the command line then
[17:19] <DarthFrog> jtr__: You can do *everything* from the command line.
[17:19] <jtr__> DarthFrog: i know :)
[17:19] <FlashDeluxe> hi i installed the current kubuntu on my notebook and i got  second screen plugged in. Now if i drag a program, e.g. dolphin to the second screen the program is in the background?! Does anybody got a suggestion on it?
[17:19] <jtr__> DarthFrog: gui is just a wrapper
[17:19] <DarthFrog> rotsy: What text editor do you use?
[17:19] <rotsy> kate
[17:19] <rotsy> DarthFrog: kate i always forget to type your nick ;)
[17:20] <DarthFrog> rotsy: Use Kate to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:20] <DarthFrog> rotsy: You'll have use sudo to do that, though.
[17:20] <rotsy> yeah the file is open on kate
[17:21] <rotsy> what do i need to add ?
[17:21] <rotsy> DarthFrog: damn it i always forget to add your nick
[17:21] <DarthFrog> rotsy: At the very bottom, delete the # in front of "deb http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oneiric main"
[17:22] <DarthFrog> rotsy: Then save the file and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install skype" all on one line, including the &&.
[17:23] <rotsy> DarthFrog:  it was already deleted
[17:23] <DarthFrog> rotsy: It'll say "natty" instead of "oneiric"  if you're running 11.04
[17:23] <rotsy> it's oneiric
[17:23] <DarthFrog> rotsy: Then run the command I just described.
[17:23] <rotsy> DarthFrog:  i'm on kubuntu 11.10
[17:25] <rotsy> DarthFrog: E: unable to locate package skype
[17:25] <rotsy> DarthFrog: after running this command you just showed
[17:25] <jtr__> DarthFrog: the thing i asked him to tick is the thing u asked him to add, extras!
[17:26] <rotsy> jtr__: it was already ticked in the first place
[17:26] <DarthFrog> SKype is in extras.  Hmm.
[17:27] <jtr__> rotsy: thats y u didnt have the '#' in front of that line , both are the same thing :)
[17:27] <rotsy> ok
[17:27] <jtr__> rotsy: i told u the gui method , while DarthFrog told u the command line method :)
[17:27] <DarthFrog> rotsy:  when you gave the "sudo apt-get update" command, what happened?
[17:27] <rotsy> jtr__: but i'm still unable to locate the package
[17:27] <jtr__> rotsy: do wht he tells, till then i'll see if i can find a solution
[17:28] <rotsy> DarthFrog: it lists all the urls
[17:29] <DarthFrog> rotsy: It goes out and downloads a bunch of stuff?
[17:29] <rotsy> but with the extra.ubuntu.com  .... it does not reach it i think
[17:29] <rotsy> DarthFrog: yes
[17:30] <jtr__> DarthFrog: rotsy: use www.pastebin.com ?? ( just a suggestion )
[17:30] <rotsy> for what ?
[17:30] <rotsy> i wish i could send a screen shot
[17:30] <rotsy> DarthFrog: jtr__: what do i paste in the pastebin.com ?
[17:31] <jtr__> rotsy: open the site , choose create new paste, you paste your output there , click submit , and u reach a web page with a url, which if u tell us we can see the code
[17:31] <jtr__> rotsy: basically u tell us the url, we can see what u wrote in it :)
[17:32] <rotsy> jtr__:  good idea
[17:32] <jtr__> rotsy: u paste output of sudo apt-get update
[17:32] <jtr__> rotsy: thats how u can give us a ''screenshot''
[17:32] <jtr__> rotsy: do that !
[17:33] <rotsy> http://pastebin.com/ZUTW2Ni4
[17:33] <rotsy> jtr__: DarthFrog: http://pastebin.com/ZUTW2Ni4
[17:34] <DarthFrog> sorry guys, I'm haveing problems here.
[17:34] <DarthFrog> I need to leave.  Sorry.
[17:34] <rotsy> DarthFrog: ;(
[17:34] <rotsy> jtr__:  you still there ?
[17:35] <jtr__> rotsy: what is the output of locate skype?
[17:35] <jtr__> rotsy: use pastebin
[17:35] <rotsy> jtr__:  ok i'll paste it here too
[17:35] <jtr__> rotsy: do you even get something ?
[17:35] <DarthFrog> jtr__: You need to do "sudo updateb" before the "locate" command.
[17:35] <jtr__> rotsy: do it , i dont know what he is saying but it may help
[17:36] <DarthFrog> jtr__: "locate" searchs a database.  "updatedb" creates the database that "locate" searchs.
[17:36] <jtr__> rotsy: its "updatedb"
[17:37] <jtr__> DarthFrog: i think he's using pastebin still :D
[17:38] <rotsy> jtr__: jtr__ DarthFrog http://pastebin.com/BQTFfjgy
[17:39] <jtr__> rotsy: you don't have a skype app as such but you have kopete and pidgin which can run skype, try running skype through them :)
[17:39] <rotsy> jtr__:  that's what i tried earlier
[17:39] <rotsy> jtr__: but i couldn't do it
[17:40] <DarthFrog> No, you need to install the skype app to have skype.
[17:40]  * DarthFrog is away but comes back for a second every now and again. :-)
[17:41] <rotsy> DarthFrog:  how do i install skype app n
[17:41] <jtr__> DarthFrog: look at this http://pastebin.com/BQTFfjgy
[17:42] <jtr__> rotsy: lets see what else you can do here
[17:42] <kcin> Hi guys, how do I change my default key binding to emacs?
[17:43] <DarthFrog> rotsy:  "Type "apt-cache search skype".  What do you get?  Pastbin the output.
[17:44] <rotsy> DarthFrog:  http://pastebin.com/S63BmvyG
[17:45] <DarthFrog> Well that's why apt-get can't find skype.  Hmm.
[17:45] <DarthFrog> En francais?
[17:45] <DarthFrog> Pourquoi?
[17:46] <rotsy> DarthFrog:  French is my mother tongue man
[17:46] <DarthFrog> Quebequois?
[17:46] <rotsy> nope
[17:46] <lelamal_> I was wondering whether someone could assist me with this nepomuk issue
[17:47] <lelamal_> when I start my computer I am greeted by this message: http://paste.kde.org/143192/
[17:47] <DarthFrog> lelamal_: Good luck, sorry.  Nepomuk is somewhat immature yet.
[17:48] <rotsy> DarthFrog: no I'm from La Réunion
[17:48] <lelamal_> DarthFrog: I know, but I would like not to receive that notification at every boot
[17:48] <DarthFrog> lelamal_: Ah.  You get that if nepomuk starts up before you have net access.  No problem really.
[17:48] <DarthFrog> lelamal_: At least, I *think* that's what it means. :-)
[17:49] <rotsy> DarthFrog:  so how do i procede then ?
[17:49] <lelamal_> DarthFrog: net access? so is there anyway i can troubleshoot this issue?
[17:49] <DarthFrog> rotsy: I'm thinking.  Can't you smell the burning insulation? :-)
[17:50] <rotsy> DarthFrog:  WTF
[17:50] <rotsy> ;)
[17:50] <DarthFrog> lelamal_: Probably, but I'm not your man, I'm afraid.  Nepomuk/Akonadi are nuisances to me so I've disabled them (in System Settings).
[17:50] <lelamal_> DarthFrog: ah I see, thanks anyway! :)
[17:51] <DarthFrog> rotsy:  go back and have a look at the sources.list file again (/etc/apt/sources.list).  Please paste the line I asked you to edit earlier.
[17:51] <lelamal_> rotsy: I've followed here and there your conversation, have you enabled the partner source repository?
[17:51] <DarthFrog> lelamal_: Yes.
[17:52] <DarthFrog> lelamal_: Skype is in extras.
[17:52] <lelamal_> DarthFrog: oh I thought it was specifically needed to tick the partner repository, so I did when I installed skype
[17:53] <DarthFrog> Mind you, SKype doesn't work for me in Oneiric (issue with my web cam), so I'm running it in a VMWare Win7 virtual machine. :-)
[17:54] <DarthFrog> rotsy: OK, let's see if lelamal_ is correct.  I've not been of much use. :-)   Edit the sources.list file again and add this line at the bottom: "eb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ oneiric partner"
[17:54] <DarthFrog> rotsy: No quotes.  Then run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install skype" again.
[17:55] <rotsy> DarthFrog:  http://pastebin.com/Len8j9Du
[17:55] <DarthFrog> rotsy: And that should be "deb" not "eb".  :-)
[17:55] <rotsy> DarthFrog:  deb, yes it is
[17:56] <DarthFrog> rotsy: No, I mean the line I just told you to add to the sources.list file should start with "deb" not "eb". :-)
[17:56] <DarthFrog> rotsy: OK, let's see if lelamal_ is correct.  I've not been of much use. :-)   Edit the sources.list file again and add this line at the bottom: "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ oneiric partner"
[17:56] <DarthFrog> Repeat.
[17:57] <lelamal_> DarthFrog: he already has the parter repositories, he needs to uncomment them perhaps
[17:58] <DarthFrog> lelamal_: Perhaps, but that would only confuse the issue now. :-)
[17:58] <lelamal_> :)
[17:59] <DarthFrog> lelamal_: I couldn't remember if I'd added the Partners PPA manually or if it was part of the install.
[17:59] <lelamal_> DarthFrog: I think that's part of the install
[17:59] <rotsy> DarthFrog:  lelamal_: I think it is working :))))
[18:00] <DarthFrog> rotsy: Thank lelamal_ for that.
[18:00] <rotsy> thanks guys
[18:00] <lelamal_> I used Muon to tick them, not uncomment but I think that's the same
[18:00] <rotsy> lelamal_: thanks mate!
[18:00] <DarthFrog> rotsy: Bienvenue.
[18:00] <lelamal_> DarthFrog: rotsy: you're welcome
[18:00] <rotsy> DarthFrog:  De rien
[18:01] <rotsy> DarthFrog:  that's french for "you are welcome" :)
[18:01] <DarthFrog> rotsy: I'm Canadian so I picked up Quebec french. :-)
[18:01] <jtr__> rotsy: a demain :P ( of the little french i know )
[18:02] <jtr__> DarthFrog: sounds like a Qt module for french :P
[18:02] <rotsy> jtr__:  a demain , thank you too
[18:03] <jtr__> rotsy: i was gone half the time, just returned, thank DarthFrog he did the reald thing
[18:03] <jtr__> DarthFrog: 'burning insulation' , really? :P
[18:06]  * DarthFrog is getting old, the insulation is aging. :-)
[18:06] <rotsy> good bye guys
[18:06] <DarthFrog> Au revoir.
[18:06] <rotsy> good night
[18:06] <DarthFrog> Bon nuit.
[18:08] <till> HI
[18:09] <till> asshh
[18:38] <canis___> just out of curiosity...
[18:39] <canis___> i was wondering if anyone else had problems getting the gstreamer packages.
[18:40] <MeanderingCode> Anyone know why the task manager widget is not respecting my "maximum rows" setting of 1??
[18:42] <canis___> I try to play movies or music after a fresh install, and I amarok won't successfully download.  That is kind of silly.
[18:56] <l1ckr> hello?
[19:04] <rork> hi l1ckr
[19:07] <fullstop> Hi all.  I'm running ubuntu 10.10 with kde-desktop installed because I can't cope with Unity on my test setup.
[19:08] <fullstop> I used KDE exclusively in the past, in a simpler time, so I'm happy with the environment...
[19:08] <fullstop> but I'm having one really nagging issue with KDE SC 4.5.x
[19:08] <fullstop> It never remembers my desktop resolution.
[19:08] <EvilResistance> fullstop:  graphics card is...?
[19:08] <fullstop> Intel GPU in a mobile i3 CPU.
[19:09] <fullstop> It sets just fine, and everything works great.. but it does not remember it across logins.
[19:09] <EvilResistance> ah.  if you were to say nvidia or something, i'd have a small solution - i had issues with nVidia too :P
[19:09] <fullstop> The resolution is remembered in ubuntu / gnome, so I don't think that it is a driver or X issue.
[19:10] <fullstop> Now I should be clear..
[19:10] <fullstop> I have the laptop as the left screen and a 1080P monitor set up as the right screen.  It's connected via HDMI.
[19:11] <fullstop> I also understand that, since I am running 10.10, there might not be much help available.
[19:13] <EvilResistance> iirc, 10.10 hasnt EOL'd yet :/
[19:13] <EvilResistance> !10.10
[19:13] <EvilResistance> doesnt *say* its EOL'd :P
[19:13] <fullstop> EvilResistance: I undestand that, but I'm sure that most people have moved on already.
[19:14] <fullstop> I have a feeling that Ubuntu is going to lose a lot of people over Unity.
[19:14]  * EvilResistance still runs servers on 10.10 :P
[19:14] <EvilResistance> fullstop:  this is why i switched to KDE in 11.04
[19:14] <EvilResistance> ;P
[19:14]  * EvilResistance installed kde-standard on top of Ubuntu :P
[19:14] <fullstop> I have 10.04 on servers.
[19:15] <fullstop> with vanilla kernels and some manual backports for the KVM hosts.
[19:15] <EvilResistance> i've got Debian 6 on half of my servers ;P
[19:15] <EvilResistance> and Ubuntu 10.10 or 11.04 on my other servers.
[19:15] <EvilResistance> unless you count the micro-cluster of Windows servers I have to have for my employer
[19:16] <fullstop> I still have a 2 centos4 servers
[19:16] <fullstop> and one RH7.3
[19:17] <fullstop> anyway, it's really annoying to set the resolution every time I boot.
[19:17] <fullstop> especially because my "kicker" (whatever the new thing is called in plasma) is half-width until I move it to the left screen and back to the right, then expand it.
[19:19] <genii-around> fullstop: You can use arandr to create a shell script which runs the necessary xrandr commands. Then you can autostart the script at login.
[19:23] <fullstop> genii-around: I can do that.. I set one up once to simulate the fn-f8
[19:33] <sekisushai> help !!
[19:33] <sekisushai> i've just installed kubuntu from live cd
[19:33] <sekisushai> but..
[19:34] <sekisushai> i remove the package nepomuk.. and by dependencies it removed mainly kde
[19:34] <sekisushai> thus i can't connect anymore
[19:34] <sekisushai> the problem is that i've no internet access because i'm using hot spot connection
[19:34] <sekisushai> and i don't know how to connect to a hot spot from command line
[19:35] <sekisushai> anyway, i just have the live cdrom from where i installed kubuntu
[19:35] <sekisushai> can i reinstall kde without formatting everything
[19:35] <sekisushai> ,??
[19:37] <sekisushai> someone ?
[19:40] <EvilResistance> sekisushai:  no chance of hooking up an ethernet cable or something?L
[19:40] <sekisushai> nothing...
[19:40] <sekisushai> i just have the cdrom
[19:40] <sekisushai> ..
[19:40] <sekisushai> normally this one has the kde packages
[19:40] <EvilResistance> from the CDROM, there's nothing you can do
[19:40] <EvilResistance> you'd have to install kde-standard from the system that needs ti
[19:41] <EvilResistance> then you'd be able ot install kde and its dependencies
[19:41] <EvilResistance> and then probably get back the GUI
[19:41] <sekisushai> my only internet acces is an hot spot but to connect i have to connect the wifi on it and then go in a browser which open a connection page asking id and passwd
[19:42] <sekisushai> at this time i'm running the live cd
[19:42] <sekisushai> .. no other choice to format again .. ?
[19:42] <sekisushai> i was thinking sudo apt-cdrom add
[19:43] <sekisushai> and then sudo apt-get install kdm for example
[19:43] <genii-around> Alternately, you can boot to hd, use apt-cdrom to add the cd as a repository, then sudo apt-get update and then try sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[19:43] <sekisushai> but no success it tells me can't get the rependancy
[19:43] <Squidy> hello guys.. I've installed kubuntu 11.10 but after installed nvidia-current my kde session does not start anymore... kde freezes when loading splash screen...
[19:43] <Squidy> may you help me?
[19:44] <sekisushai> genii-around : i try, brb
[19:44] <Squidy> the output of xsession-errors: http://pastebin.com/JT2sGii5
[19:45] <genii-around> Squidy: You're trying to run kde as root user?
[19:46] <Squidy> genii-around: I know, I know.. I use kde with non-root user.. but I'm trying to solve this issue
[19:46] <yofel> sekisushai: hm, you have a working network connection *now* ?
[19:47] <Squidy> so, why nepomuk isn't startup properly?
[19:47] <yofel> Squidy: can you give us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:47] <yofel> something't not right with openGL
[19:48] <yofel> *something's
[19:48] <Squidy> sure... a second
[19:49] <Squidy> yofel: http://pastebin.com/CMAqwG4e
[19:50] <Squidy> weird.. I can't see any trouble. :/
[19:52] <yofel> hm, that looks fine o.O
[19:53] <yofel> but your xsession errors has kwin(6172) KWin::checkGLError: GL error ( PostPaint ):  "GL_INVALID_OPERATION" and after that X seems to restart
[19:54] <Squidy> yofel: what you suggest?
[19:54] <Squidy> i installed nvidia-current from apt.. perhaps if I install the last drive from nvidia
[19:55] <yofel> no, please don't do that, but I'm not sure what's wrong either :/
[19:56] <Squidy> heh.. I don't know what to do... when I was using kubuntu 11.04 it worked...
[20:01] <fullstop> Maybe switch to xrender
[20:01] <graft> hi, i'm a refugee from unity trying to get reacquainted with KDE, which is looking great! but - I'm wondering if i can have different wallpapers on different desktop workspaces
[20:02] <fullstop> haha.. more unity refugees.  \o/
[20:02] <graft> or maybe at least show the workspace name as i switch?
[20:02] <fullstop> join the club, man!
[20:02] <xevil> are there any major issues upgrading 11.04 to 11.10?
[20:02] <graft> well, i was only on gnome because i was a kde4 refugee when it first came around
[20:02] <fullstop> graft: kde2 and kde3 were very good releases.
[20:03] <fullstop> I'm still a little iffy with 4.X
[20:03] <graft> kde4 had a lot of promise, and i'm glad to see it's matured nicely
[20:04] <graft> anywho - multiple wallpapers? any idee?
[20:05] <yofel> not sure how to do that with different desktops, easy to do if you use different activities instead though
[20:05] <graft> different activities?
[20:06] <yofel> graft: you have that button in the top right corner of your destkop that says "default" or so, right?
[20:06] <phiscribe> hi room
[20:06] <graft> yeah
[20:06] <yofel> click on that, then on activities
[20:06] <graft> yofel: aright
[20:07] <graft> yofel: oh, and just make three photos activities?
[20:07] <yofel> there make another activity, which will make another desktop which won't have the same setting as your current one
[20:07] <graft> yofel: aha, i see
[20:07] <yofel> and the button in the top right corner will always show the name of the activity you're on
[20:09] <Squidy> using XRender instead of OpenGL KDE starts with no problem...
[20:09] <Squidy> so what's the disadvantage of using XRender
[20:09] <Squidy> ?
[20:10] <graft> yofel: well, that doesn't appear to help me with window management... the windows are the same when i switch activities
[20:12] <yofel> hm... that was doable somehow... If I switch activities the windows stay on the one they were opened on
[20:12] <graft> yofel: nm i seem to have found some options for this
[20:12] <yofel> for the task manager, you should enable "only show tasks from the current activity"
[20:13] <paolopoz> hello all! I have problems with kmail: did a fresh kubuntu install, tried to import messages from old kmail folders like told in the wiki but not all messages are imported
[20:14] <genii-around> Might also need Different widgets for Each Desktop checked off in Workspace Behavior of system Settings
[20:14] <yofel> that should only affect the desktops though, not activites (but I guess that would be the desktop way of doing it)
[20:16] <lelamal_> hi all, when I start my computer I always get the following notification: http://paste.kde.org/143192/ anyone can help, please?
[20:16] <graft> yofel: there is a setting for 'virtual desktops', 'different widgets for each desktop' that lets you set separate wallpapers
[20:16] <graft> genii-around: yeah, what you said :)
[20:17] <graft> thanks folks... glad to be back in the KDE world!
[20:17] <yofel> lelamal_: you have nepomuk disabled
[20:17] <paolopoz> lelamal_: did this happened after you upgraded your kubuntu?
[20:18] <lelamal_> yofel: that's the problem, I haven't disabled it
[20:18] <lelamal_> paolopoz: no, it started appearing randomly
[20:18] <graft> aw man... i forgot how wonderfully configurable KDE is after so many years under gnome fascism
[20:23] <lelamal_> BluesKaj: can you please help me troubleshoot a problem with nepomuk?
[20:25] <BluesKaj> lelamal_, well, i don't use nepomuk because i don't need it  , but I'll try
[20:27] <lelamal_> BluesKaj: thanks. whenever I start my computer I'm greeted by this notification, although Nepomuk is running: http://paste.kde.org/143192
[20:30] <BluesKaj> lelamal_, have tried setting up in , kmenu>apps>system>nepomuk file indexing ?
[20:31]  * genii-around throws something handy in the general direction of Nepomuk and Strigi
[20:32] <lelamal_> BluesKaj: yes, it's all set up and running
[20:33] <BluesKaj> lelamal_, maybe the notification is a bug
[20:34] <lelamal_> BluesKaj: I see, so do you suggest filing a new bug report against it?
[20:35] <BluesKaj> lelamal_, , not sure that it's a new bug , check on launchpad
[20:36] <lelamal_> BluesKaj: ok then, thank you for your time! :)
[20:38] <BluesKaj> lelamal_, np, if it's not causing you any problems , then you can safely ignore the notification
[20:38] <lelamal_> BluesKaj: ok thanks I'll do so
[20:40] <BluesKaj> lelamal_, notifications can be annoying , I have them turned off :)
[20:40] <lelamal_> BluesKaj: :)
[21:02] <lemon24> Hi! I have a quick question: gedit (3) + oxygen-gtk3 makes Xorg hog the CPU; how can I install an older gedit version (2.*) and dependencies?
[21:04] <jtr__> whichever version of gedit you want to install you can by typing sudo apt-get install gedit ( double-press tab to see avaialbe options)
[21:04] <jtr__> available*
[21:04] <jtr__> lemon24: and do think about kate, its atleast equally good ( i assume you are using kubuntu )
[21:06] <lemon24> I did try kate, but it's a bit too complicated for me...
[21:10] <BluesKaj> lemon24, what did you find complicated about kate ? It's really not that much different than gedit in everyday use
[21:11] <jtr__> lemon24: seriously, i think its simpler :D
[21:11] <jtr__> lemon24: anyways , were you able to install the older gedit ?
[21:11] <lemon24> the double-tab thing doesn't seem to work (or i'm doing it wrong)
[21:12] <lemon24> i'm installing apt-show-versions
[21:14] <lemon24> actually, you're right – they are both fine... but i dont know how to make color themes for kate (or to make the ones rom gedit work with kate)
[21:14] <tofux> helooo
[21:17] <lemon24> ... "sudo apt-get install gedit=2" tells me that version 2 was not found
[21:17] <lemon24> same for 2.30 and 2.30.2
[21:17] <BluesKaj> !themes | lemon24
[21:17] <jtr__> lemon24: did you actually put and = sign there?
[21:18] <lemon24> yes
[21:18] <lemon24> found it on the man page...
[21:18] <jtr__> lemon24: ok , something new to me
[21:19] <lemon24> could it be that the oneiric repo doesn't have older versions?
[21:19] <jtr__> lemon24: i see , no old versions - possibly yes
[21:19] <jtr__> lemon24: but you can check the gedit repo - it will have more detailed info
[21:20] <jtr__> lemon24:  or check if there is a channel dedicated to this , try #gedit
[21:20] <jtr__> lemon24: no such channel :(
[21:21] <jtr__> lemon24: try the artwork BluesKaj, you will find the appropriate , or a bette coloring scheme
[21:21] <jtr__> lemon24: and do check the options already available in kate, maybe u just dont like the default one :)
[21:21] <jtr__> lemon24: thats all!
[21:23] <BluesKaj> jtr__, I'm not big on eye candy and I find the Oxygen theme pleasing enough
[21:24] <lemon24> ... i was avoiding trying to do the theme by hand...
[21:24] <lemon24> or that's why i ws avoiding kate
[21:25] <jtr__> lemon24: its not a much by hand process, i think it'll just mean loading some files there at the artwork section
[21:25] <jtr__> BluesKaj: me too :), i use vim, all this doesnt matter to me :)
[21:27] <lemon24> the thing is, from what i've seen, gedit doesn't have a hl file for each language
[21:27] <jtr__> lemon24: what do you use the editor for ? ( just wondering )
[21:27] <lemon24> python and some c/c++
[21:27] <lemon24> and some php
[21:27] <jtr__> lemon24: use vim, 100 times better :)
[21:28] <jtr__> lemon24: command line editor it is...but still if you are gedit-sticky, you might wanna check the artwork for themes for kate that resemble gedit's coloring scheme
[21:29] <lemon24> i was trying to avoid command-line editors too
[21:29] <jtr__> lemon24: or you must find an alternative, the point is , gedit will always have some integration issues with kde
[21:31] <lemon24> probably one day i'll try it (vim) and go "wow, how did i manage to live without it?!"
[21:32] <jtr__> lemon24: if you have no urgency, go try it right away :) and if you want to get work done, i suggest stick to your editor, vim takes some time
[21:32] <BluesKaj> the small amount of cli editing i do , (usually in the rescue mode :) , nano works for me
[21:34] <jtr__> lemon24: the worst case is you obtain the gedit 2 source code and compile it yourself
[21:34] <lemon24> i tried that
[21:34] <lemon24> but it needs gnome 2
[21:34] <jtr__> lemon24: :( sad
[21:36] <jtr__> lemon24: u need a kate color schema - go throught the artwork
[21:36] <jtr__> lemon24:  further help with kate --> #kate
[21:38] <lemon24> (i'm looking  :D)
[21:38] <jtr__> lemon24: :)
[21:42] <lemon24> jtr__: for "kate highlight color themes" i only get 4 (relevant) results on kde-look
[21:42] <jtr__> lemon24: liked any?
[21:42] <lemon24> rdark seems nice: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Rdark+-+A+Kate+Syntax+Highlighting+Theme?content=88182
[21:43] <jtr__> lemon24: exactly like vim!!
[21:44] <jtr__> lemon24: see you are already falling in love with vim :P
[21:44] <lemon24> one of the reasons i insisted on using gedit is that i have it on my chrunchbang netbook (and i cant install kate because it wants to pull all the kde stuff with it)
[21:45] <lemon24> :))
[21:45] <lemon24> vim is probably the way to go in the future
[21:45] <lemon24> i guess it works almost anywhere
[21:46] <jtr__> lemon24: true :)
[21:46] <lemon24> jtr__: my gedit theme looks like it too
[21:47] <lemon24> a bit
[21:47] <jtr__> lemon24: cool :)
[21:47] <lemon24> so i'll definitely give vim a try
[21:48] <lemon24> well, thanks a lot
[21:48] <jtr__> lemon24: one more thing , in kate there is an option of opening an embedded terminal, i dont think gedit has that ( i've used gedit before )
[21:48] <lemon24> you probably did a good thing recommending me vim
[21:49] <lemon24> it has
[21:49] <well_laid_lawn> gedit has a terminal
[21:49] <jtr__> lemon24: i hope it works well, do read the basic vim guide :)
[21:50] <jtr__> well_laid_lawn: ok , i didnt know, some recent change ?? or i just missed the option ??
[21:50] <well_laid_lawn> been there for ages afaik
[21:51] <jtr__> well_laid_lawn: well i must've never looked it up :( apologies
[21:51] <lemon24> thanks again for your support :D i'm out
[21:51] <jtr__> lemon24: sure :) anytime !
[22:50] <gundwane> hi
[22:51] <gundwane> can I install libre office and open office together on kubuntu 11.10
[23:02] <LINKSWORD2> !audacity
[23:11] <SIR_Taco> !LINKSWORD2
[23:12] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[23:23] <Guest86611> I need some kde help.
[23:24] <Guest86611> can somebody help?
[23:27] <petete> hi people
[23:28] <petete> is there a way to integrate the wine start menu into the kde menu?
[23:31] <EvilResistance> petete:  what version of Ubuntu are you on
[23:31] <EvilResistance> because on 11.04 it already is integrated
[23:32] <EvilResistance> under Applications > Wine > *
[23:34] <petete> 11.04
[23:34] <petete> i probably borked it somehow
[23:35] <petete> maybe its beacuse i'm using the wine ppa?
[23:40] <BarkingFish> Evening all :)
[23:41] <BarkingFish> Can I just check something in regard to K3B please? I just got it working for the first time since I came to Kubuntu, and it's leaving a box on my screen showing the project progress.
[23:42] <BarkingFish> Problem is, wherever I move it, it's covering part of my client up, either the names list, my channel list, topic, controls in the top left (settings, etc) or my Minimize, Fullscreen and Close buttons.
[23:42] <petete> you can hide it by right-click -> hide or something like that
[23:43] <BarkingFish> I've tried marking Xchat as "Keep above others" but it's still visible
[23:43] <BarkingFish> ah, thanks.
[23:43] <BarkingFish> Didn't know about the Hide OSD feature :)
[23:43] <LINKSWORD2> Is there a way to remove BlueDevil from the startup programs?
[23:44] <LINKSWORD2> Is there a way to remove BlueDevil from the startup programs?
[23:44] <petete> doesn't it have an option for that?
[23:45]  * LINKSWORD2 facepalms.*
[23:45] <LINKSWORD2> I know that, I need to know HOW!
[23:46] <petete> dunno, i'm on a desktop so i don't have it installed
[23:46] <BarkingFish> LINKSWORD2: keep your hair on :)  I'll help you!
[23:46]  * LINKSWORD2 pulls hair out.*
[23:46] <BarkingFish> ALT +F2, type systemsettings
[23:47] <LINKSWORD2> I'm on a desktop, also, but for some reason, BlueDevil keeps starting up. lol
[23:47] <BarkingFish> when it comes up, go to the bottom section, click Startup and Shutdown
[23:47] <LINKSWORD2> OK, I'm there.
[23:47] <BarkingFish> Next window, click Autostart
[23:47] <LINKSWORD2> Ah. There it is.
[23:47] <LINKSWORD2> Thanks. :)
[23:47] <BarkingFish> click on it, and select Remove
[23:48] <BarkingFish> Apply, OK and close the window
[23:48] <LINKSWORD2>  Huh. I can uncheck it, but can I remove it completely?
[23:48] <BarkingFish> yes, you can remove it completely from startup
[23:48] <BarkingFish> do what I said above - click on the program name, and hit the remove button which lights up on the right side
[23:49] <petete> apt-get remove bluedevil :)
[23:49] <BarkingFish> then Apply that, press OK and close the window
[23:50] <BarkingFish> petete - he didn't want it to autostart - i don't know he wants it removing entirely
[23:50] <LINKSWORD2> BarkingFish: It's in the Service Manager window, rather than the Autostart. I can uncheck it, but it's not removable.
[23:50] <BarkingFish> then do what petete suggested. remove it from your system if you don't want it :)
[23:51] <LINKSWORD2> :D
[23:51] <BarkingFish> but if you uncheck it, and while it's highlighted, select stop
[23:51] <BarkingFish> then close the window
[23:51] <BarkingFish> it won't come back when you restart the machine
[23:52] <LINKSWORD2> OK, thanks.
[23:52] <BarkingFish> sorry, before you close the window, click apply
[23:52] <BarkingFish> oh sod it. he's left
[23:52] <EvilResistance> too slow you are :p
[23:53] <BarkingFish> EvilResistance: tell me about it.
[23:53] <BarkingFish> If I was any slower, I'd have snails overtaking me when I walked.