[01:05] <micahg> chrisccoulson: do you have a tarball for Firefox/Thunderbird 8 yet?
[04:30] <neguety> hi everybody
[04:30] <neguety> i have a problem with thunderbird, and hasn't been able to solve it up to now
[13:29] <bhearsum> gah, can't stand gnome's new "here let me change your displays for you" behaviour when i plug a monitor in
[13:44] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, oh, is it getting it wrong?
[13:46] <bhearsum> chrisccoulson: not totally - the resolutions are perfect, but the orientation is wrong
[13:46] <bhearsum> and it automatically reverts every change i try to make, except when i do it directly with xrandr
[13:59] <bhearsum> how was UDS?
[14:21] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, you should probably open a bug about the display thing :)
[14:21] <chrisccoulson> UDS was pretty good
[14:21] <chrisccoulson> but tiring ;)
[14:21] <bhearsum> i hear you guys are following in our footsteps and getting all mobile =-)
[14:21] <chrisccoulson> heh
[14:21] <chrisccoulson> apparently so
[14:21] <bhearsum> is that going to impact your work a lot?
[14:21] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure. i was quite surprised about the announcement
[14:21] <bhearsum> yeah
[14:21] <chrisccoulson> i think the 5 year LTS will have a bigger impact on my work
[14:21] <bhearsum> oh, is that new?
[14:21] <bhearsum> i thought it was always 5 year...
[14:21] <chrisccoulson> yeah, the last LTS was for 3 years, and now we're offering 5 years
[14:21] <chrisccoulson> ah
[14:21] <bhearsum> oooooh
[14:21] <bhearsum> that is a VERY long time
[14:21] <chrisccoulson> it was 3 years for the desktop, and 5 for the server
[14:21] <bhearsum> man
[14:21] <bhearsum> who wants a 5 year old desktop?
[14:21] <bhearsum> (and why aren't they using debian stable)
[14:22] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm not looking forward to supporting 5 years ;)
[14:22] <bhearsum> that means you have to backport security fixes to really old apps?
[14:22] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure. apparently the longer support is quite attractive to enterprise environments
[14:22] <chrisccoulson> i can't think of anyone else who would want to use a 5 year old desktop though
[14:23] <bhearsum> heh
[14:23] <chrisccoulson> yeah, we'll have to support applications with security updates for 5 years. not sure how we're going to do that for firefox yet ;)
[14:23] <bhearsum> the Firefox story will be interesting.
[14:23] <bhearsum> :)
[14:23] <bhearsum> kev is supposed to announce an updated ESR this week
[14:23] <chrisccoulson> ah, cool
[14:43] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: you do know most people don't actually upgrade their OS, right?
[14:44] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, then we are totally screwed ;)
[14:44] <chrisccoulson> how are you anyway?
[14:44] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: XP still have like 40% of the desktops currently in use :)
[14:44] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: fine! how was your trip?
[14:45] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, yeah, it was a bit boring though
[14:45] <chrisccoulson> which i guess is good ;)
[14:45] <chrisccoulson> and there were still no episodes of air-crash investigation on the in-flight entertainment
[14:46] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: so, could that libreoffice window decoration issue be related to unity2d only?
[14:46] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: ah, darn :)
[15:26] <micahg> chrisccoulson: thanks for uploading firefox/thunderbird 8, grabbing the tarballs now
[15:27] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, I'm going to back out the SRU from oneiric for the messaging indicator for the security update since it failed verification (unless the fix was to port to the 8 API)
[15:27] <chrisccoulson> micahg, there's 1 other crasher in there, plus a bug affecting lots of people which makes thunderbird practically unusable for anyone who has a U1 addressbook
[15:28] <chrisccoulson> m_conley won't be happy if you back those out ;)
[15:28]  * m_conley nods vigorously
[15:31] <micahg> chrisccoulson: gah,  it's only in -proposed ATM, right?   you can upload a new version to -proposed after I upload to -security, I'd prefer not to have any risk of regression in the security pocket
[15:31] <micahg> assuming you have the fixes ready to fix what failed
[15:31] <chrisccoulson> micahg, then it's going to be yet another 7 days before it goes to updates
[15:32] <micahg> chrisccoulson: same thing ATM since it failed :)
[15:32] <micahg> you need that anyways
[15:33] <chrisccoulson> micahg, no, the one which failed doesn't matter. it fixes an edge case, but it has no effect on the reported bug. however, the release also contains other fixes for a bug where thunderbird pops up a modal alert dialog every few seconds, making it completely unusable
[15:34] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, if pitti will push it to -updates with one fix failed, I'll keep it, otherwise, I'm conflicted
[15:36] <micahg> chrisccoulson: the other 2 fixes haven't been verified
[15:37] <micahg> jdstrand: if 2 out of 3 SRU fixes were verified for Thunderbird (both in EDS) and 1 failed (in messaging menu), would it be reasonable to take the EDS fixes for the security upload even though the SRU would be rejected?
[15:37] <micahg> or mdeslaur ^^
[15:37] <jdstrand> seems reasonable to me
[15:38] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so, if you can get the EDS fixes verified in the next 12 hours, I'll keep those and back out the failed messaging menu fix, sound good?
[15:39]  * micahg could even wait 24 hours if it's necessary for them to be verified
[15:41] <chrisccoulson> seems ok to me. but you need to back it out on beta as well
[15:43] <micahg> well, it's already in precise, right?
[15:44]  * micahg just wants to keep it out of oneiric, assuming it's non-destructive, I would think it can stay on beta
[15:44] <micahg> or will that make bzr unhappy?
[15:48]  * micahg can back it out for consistency
[16:37] <micahg> chrisccoulson: is there a bug for this change: Don't open about:blank from the New Window quicklist entry
[17:20] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ^^