| Daviey | If someone sees ball, can they tell him to use #ubuntu-mythtv please | 03:36 |
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| MartijnVdS | Daviey: memoserv? :) | 05:40 |
| florent_ | Hello | 05:44 |
| florent_ | perhaps it is too early to speak | 05:46 |
| florent_ | i'm french and i research a computer scientist in oder to improve my english expression | 05:47 |
| florent_ | What's more, i want to understand little better ubuntu 11.10 | 05:48 |
| florent_ | nobody ? | 05:48 |
| zprood | hi | 06:42 |
| * ball waves | 06:43 | |
| shauno | ball: 03:36 < Daviey> If someone sees ball, can they tell him to use #ubuntu-mythtv please | 07:12 |
| shauno | also, morning o/ | 07:12 |
| ball | shauno: Thanks, I figured that out after I asked the question. I appreciate passing on the message though. | 07:27 |
| joar_ | #joar | 07:28 |
| AlanBell | morning all | 07:33 |
| ball | Morning AlanBell! | 07:36 |
| === jussio1 is now known as jussi | ||
| czajkowski | aloha | 08:23 |
| popey | yo | 08:27 |
| AlanBell | good trip back? | 08:27 |
| popey | yeah, all recovered | 08:28 |
| * popey hugs landscape | 08:32 | |
| DJones | Morning all | 08:34 |
| === markus_ is now known as mhyfritz | ||
| * ball waves | 08:36 | |
| TheOpenSourcerer | morning earthlings | 08:36 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Let's hope "they" are right and this asteroid that passes between us and the moon is going to miss ;-) | 08:37 |
| shauno | the nerd in me thinks it'd be pretty neat if it hit the moon | 08:37 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | "Scientists say the asteroid will miss us, but it will be barely more than 200,000 miles away when it passes Earth at 11:13 p.m. Tuesday" | 08:40 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | That sounds quite close to me... | 08:40 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/11/weekend-news-flash-nasa-resumes-observation-of-massive-asteroid-which-will-fly-by-earth-tuesday.html | 08:40 |
| shauno | it's odd talking about close on that scale. earth's only ~8000 miles wide | 08:44 |
| popey | the universe is very very very big. 200K miles is _very_ close :D | 08:46 |
| jml | try flying it in economy! | 08:48 |
| hoover | good morning | 08:58 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 09:01 |
| diplo | morning all | 09:09 |
| AlanBell | popey: figured out what you do yet? | 09:15 |
| selinuxium | Good morning all o/ | 09:15 |
| MooDoo | good weekend everyone? | 09:16 |
| popey | yes AlanBell | 09:16 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:23 |
| * ball waves | 09:23 | |
| * brobostigon waves back | 09:23 | |
| Laney | morning | 09:25 |
| brobostigon | morning Laney | 09:26 |
| Myrtti | moin | 09:26 |
| brobostigon | moin Myrtti | 09:27 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Thunderbird & Firefox 8 are released tomorrow. Oh how I hate thee - quick release cycle with major version number change. | 09:27 |
| * awilkins yawns and stretches now that his cavity wall insulation has been done | 09:29 | |
| AlanBell | TheOpenSourcerer: what happens if you just set the plugin to be compatible with thunderbird up to version 10 for example? | 09:30 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | It might keep working. Then again it might not. ;-) | 09:30 |
| popey | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-15611160 | 09:31 |
| diplo | TheOpenSourcerer, It's whats holding me back upgrading at the mo | 09:31 |
| diplo | the version changes | 09:31 |
| AlanBell | popey: glitter bang sparkle | 09:31 |
| diplo | I use some of my plugins daily, don't want the chance of them breaking just to have newest | 09:31 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I could project support forward but not by much (only 9 and 10.0a1) currently: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/pages/appversions/ | 09:33 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | That was a manic and great firework display popey - I saw that yesterday. Kids thought it was great. | 09:34 |
| AlanBell | ok, so no forward projecting by much if you want to be in the addon store | 09:34 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Even not in the store. Those numbers are what are "understood" by the app. | 09:35 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | If I tried 10.* for exmaple it would barf. | 09:35 |
| JamesTait | Morning all! May your Monday be magnificent! :) | 09:36 |
| AlanBell | huh?? so how would an older version of the app use your latest plugin? | 09:36 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | There is a min version | 09:36 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | and a max version | 09:36 |
| AlanBell | yes, so say I have current thunderbird 7.01, and I want to keep that | 09:37 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | fine. | 09:37 |
| AlanBell | and next year your app supports thunderbird 13 because it is allowed to then | 09:37 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | min version is 3.something iirc | 09:38 |
| AlanBell | would my thunderbird reject the plugin because it doesn't understand the max version? | 09:38 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I see. Dunno. | 09:38 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer decides to do some more testing later. | 09:38 | |
| * ball is using a Webcam in Chippenham to test some application servers | 10:11 | |
| ikonia | ball: you're reasonably local to me | 11:27 |
| ball | ikonia: Where are you? | 11:34 |
| popey | O_O | 11:38 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 11:39 |
| MooDoo | morning | 11:39 |
| bigcalm | popey: is that you jetlagged face? | 11:39 |
| popey | hah, no jetlag here | 11:39 |
| popey | \o/ | 11:39 |
| bigcalm | Yet | 11:39 |
| ball | ikonia: Where are you? | 11:40 |
| ball | I'll brb. | 11:42 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Melatonin FTW! | 11:54 |
| DJones | Whoever has got the remote control for the heating, please use it and turn it up a few notches | 12:29 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | +1 DJones - I have just donned my old baggy jumper | 12:30 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I refuse to heat the whole house when there's just me in one room. | 12:30 |
| DJones | I'm not quite that cold, but I think the jumper will be needed when I go out for dinner | 12:31 |
| DJones | Anybody interested in HP Touchpads, if your a registered webOS developer you can get a 32Gb Touchpad for £130 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developer_device_program.html | 12:55 |
| ali12341 | hmm i might be one of those | 12:59 |
| diplo | Got to be pre-registered DJones ? | 13:00 |
| diplo | Loading page now | 13:00 |
| diplo | but internet here is sssssooooooooo slooow | 13:00 |
| DJones | I picked the report up about it from here http://www.reghardware.com/2011/11/07/hp_offers_devs_cheap_touchpad_tablets/ | 13:00 |
| DJones | "Signing up for a Developer Account is free, though you'll need a PayPal account" | 13:01 |
| DJones | https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_user&view=login&signup | 13:01 |
| diplo | cheers | 13:03 |
| diplo | may sign up just to try | 13:03 |
| diplo | :) | 13:03 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer is quite pleased with his touchpad. | 13:10 | |
| * TheOpenSourcerer is looking forward to getting CM7 or 9 on it though. | 13:10 | |
| directhex | TheOpenSourcerer, the irony is there are more touchpad apps than android tablet apps, since there are more webos tablets than android tablets sold | 13:11 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | lol | 13:11 |
| directhex | HP are accidentally #2 in the market behind apple | 13:11 |
| ali12341 | what is that i don't even | 13:12 |
| ali12341 | how many touchpad apps are there? | 13:13 |
| AlanBell | defining tablet to be a fondleslab that isn't a phone? | 13:13 |
| bigcalm | What's the native app language for WebOS tablet apps? | 13:13 |
| ali12341 | html5? | 13:14 |
| bigcalm | Then that might contribute to there being more apps for WebOS | 13:15 |
| ali12341 | why? | 13:16 |
| bigcalm | A lot of web devs know HTML/CSS. We don't really need to learn Objective C or Java | 13:16 |
| AlanBell | https://twitter.com/#!/jonlech/status/110598881049452545 | 13:17 |
| bigcalm | :D | 13:17 |
| bigcalm | Well, the linux desktop ideal is slowly getting there | 13:18 |
| bigcalm | But I agree with that tweet | 13:18 |
| ali12341 | desktop is dead | 13:18 |
| bigcalm | Long live the desktop! | 13:18 |
| bigcalm | Why am I struggling to find a document holder? Are they not called that? | 13:24 |
| DJones | You mean something like this http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?hl=en&sugexp=ppwl&cp=15&gs_id=1n&xhr=t&q=document+holder&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&biw=1154&bih=667&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=15542777574166386784&sa=X&ei=M9y3TojvBorNhAeLh7ixBA&sqi=2&ved=0CHsQ8wIwAQ | 13:25 |
| bigcalm | Yes. Except I need one with a g-clamp as I've run out of desk space | 13:26 |
| DJones | If it is, probably better looking for "desktop copyholder" | 13:26 |
| bigcalm | Ta :) | 13:26 |
| DJones | Heh http://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Adjustable-Ergonomic-Copyholder-K62066/dp/B00006B8MX/ref=pd_sbs_op_19 | 13:27 |
| bigcalm | Think it would attach to a TFT? | 13:28 |
| DJones | Looks like it needs a decent sized area to stick onto, TFT I've got in front of me only has about 2cm's depth on the side of the case | 13:29 |
| DJones | There is this http://www.amazon.com/3M-Mounted-Holder-Capacity-DH445/dp/B00006IA8S/ref=pd_sbs_op_3 | 13:30 |
| DJones | When you search doe flat panel mount copyholder, seems to be loads of them | 13:33 |
| DJones | s/doe/for | 13:33 |
| bigcalm | Lunch time is here. Might pop out and have a look around Staples | 13:33 |
| DJones | \o/ After the complete farce of new software providers saying that their system would do things and then finding out they wouldn't/couldn't, we've abandoned the system, lets see if we get any money back (although we do have a recorded conversation between their directors & ours admitting they'd mis-sold it) | 13:36 |
| diplo | DJones, good luck, we went through that for months/years trying to get back 80k | 13:38 |
| Myrtti | what is the current going price for webhosting for a small website that needs a) php b) mysql c) shell access with vi/vim and d) allows phpBB2 to be run in it? | 13:39 |
| popey | hehe, that was all good till you said d) | 13:39 |
| MooDoo | Myrtti: small vps from bitfolk? | 13:40 |
| Myrtti | popey: d) is because I'm lazy and I have limited amounts of patience to try to migrate to phpBB3 without handhelding | 13:40 |
| diplo | Shared hosting is going to be cheaper MooDoo ? | 13:40 |
| diplo | I pay £4.50 a month for 150gb disc space/unlimited data | 13:40 |
| DJones | diplo: I can believe it, luckily all our conversations are recorded and we've got mutiple recordings with admitting they sold us a product that wouldn't work & that they'd sacked teh sales rep | 13:40 |
| Myrtti | mind you, the discussion forum does have traffic instead of being stagnant | 13:41 |
| diplo | heh we were employing the guy who sold us it and it still went to court | 13:41 |
| DJones | Ouch | 13:41 |
| diplo | Yep, these people don't like giving up ( well this compnay ) | 13:41 |
| Myrtti | that didn't make much sense | 13:42 |
| diplo | I use GoDaddy atm Myrtti as I said it's cheaper, hosted in the EU | 13:42 |
| Myrtti | 2800 registered users, 226688 messages, seven years running | 13:43 |
| diplo | 2800 registered, but how many active :) | 13:43 |
| diplo | I've got 400-500 members of my forums, with 10 active now :D | 13:44 |
| diplo | of=on | 13:44 |
| Oli | popey (or other EMEA council bod): any news on when the 1st's membership meeting has been postponed to yet? | 13:45 |
| popey | Oli: uhm. I am not on it anymore, ask czajkowski | 13:46 |
| Oli | Oh right, my bad. Is that (your not being on it) recent? | 13:46 |
| popey | fairly, yes | 13:47 |
| Myrtti | diplo: ask again in a few hours, users are either at work or doing something else important at the moment, the peak comes after six o'clock | 13:48 |
| Myrtti | diplo: only four at the moment | 13:48 |
| diplo | heh | 13:48 |
| diplo | yeah I don't have to watch load anymore, made life a lot easier.. | 13:49 |
| diplo | All because we all got old / had kids / no time. | 13:49 |
| czajkowski | Oli: just finding out now, we were all at UDS last week. | 13:49 |
| Oli | czajkowski: Thanks | 13:51 |
| czajkowski | Oli: we'll contact the applicants when we figure out a day, alternatively you can add your name to the Americas board if that is sooner ok. | 13:54 |
| === gmb is now known as graham | ||
| === graham is now known as Guest12702 | ||
| === Guest12702 is now known as gmb | ||
| * Laney just slipped on a pile of Ubuntu CDs | 13:55 | |
| funkyHat | Ubuntu CDs -- the new bananas? | 14:01 |
| * Laney writes to hanna barbera | 14:04 | |
| ali12341 | i think it's trying to snow | 14:07 |
| dwatkins | it can't be that cold, surely? | 14:14 |
| Myrtti | whoop. | 14:15 |
| popey | erk | 14:15 |
| === dipl0 is now known as diplo | ||
| daubers | Afternoon | 14:48 |
| daubers | Is there a summary of all the big decisions made at UDS somewhere? | 14:48 |
| MooDoo | how tall are you popey ? | 14:48 |
| NET||abuse | Hi folks, having a weird time with 11.10, using 11.04 on laptop, and things are great, 11.10 is ok, but got some reaaaly odd stuff | 14:49 |
| NET||abuse | when you alt-tab you get all the windows of a type up at the same time, | 14:49 |
| NET||abuse | it's not really very good as it then makes it MORE difficult to switch between windows of that same type wihtout using th emouse | 14:49 |
| NET||abuse | me == mostlykeyboard guy | 14:49 |
| NET||abuse | secondly, trying to use the compiz screenshot tool, it's giving the blue overlay for the screenshot selector with the screenshot | 14:50 |
| NET||abuse | eg.. http://www.ashe-browne.com/tmp/yahoo1.jpg and http://www.ashe-browne.com/tmp/yahoo2.jpg | 14:51 |
| NET||abuse | You can see yahoo2.jpg has the blueness overlaid on it | 14:51 |
| NET||abuse | the first is taken with regular PrtScn and cropped in gimp | 14:51 |
| popey | MooDoo: why? | 14:52 |
| NET||abuse | popey: he's mesurin yer cofin | 14:52 |
| MooDoo | popey: lol no saw a pic of the loco council with you and czajkowski just wondering how tall the other chap is :) | 14:52 |
| MooDoo | http://www.lczajkowski.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/ADBC3AFB97124FD9B528B1AFD3DCC86B-0000314218-0002618905-00800L-FAE48149541D4D81838FDC52CA1684D1.jpg | 14:53 |
| jussi | that pic popey's eyes are like a devil... | 14:54 |
| MooDoo | i just want to be the tallest ubuntu user in the world EVER!! :) | 14:54 |
| mgdm | popey has stolen my tshirt! | 14:55 |
| hutch | me 2 (I'm only 5'3") What R my chances? | 14:55 |
| MooDoo | hehe | 14:56 |
| awilkins | NET||abuse, With the task switcher, you can break into the list of similar windows by using the down arrow, and move between them with side arrows | 14:56 |
| mgdm | http://twitpic.com/68x23y <-- me in same tshirt | 14:56 |
| MooDoo | mgdm: hmmm why is popey wearing your clothes? | 14:57 |
| NET||abuse | anyway, questions, can i configure any of these things? | 14:57 |
| mgdm | MooDoo: it's worrying | 14:57 |
| NET||abuse | awilkins: yeh i saw that, but it sucks as a shortcut, the efort required to context shift into alt-tabbing, and then hit down and left right between windows, it's too different | 14:58 |
| NET||abuse | so it sucks | 14:58 |
| NET||abuse | To me it feels like an interface getting in the way | 14:59 |
| hutch | Is there a way to add dash home to cairo docck and remove side bar? | 14:59 |
| diplo | NET||abuse, One of the reasons I've been trying Gnome3 :) | 15:00 |
| NET||abuse | diplo: have you got compiz on gnome3 or does it have it's own compositing window decoration? | 15:01 |
| nymwar | I'm using Gnome shell on 11.10 | 15:01 |
| diplo | MetacityI belive | 15:01 |
| diplo | Same here nymwar | 15:01 |
| nymwar | AFAIK it doesn't use compiz | 15:01 |
| diplo | Metacity | 15:01 |
| NET||abuse | hmm, anyway, issue at hand is i like the quick box selection in compiz screenshot | 15:01 |
| NET||abuse | but it's giving me that blue colour | 15:02 |
| hutch | compiz and metacity are differen't aren't they? | 15:02 |
| NET||abuse | there's no options to turn off that blue overlay colour it uses in the ccsm config tool | 15:02 |
| diplo | yeah | 15:02 |
| NET||abuse | hutch: they have some kind of seperation of roles yeh | 15:02 |
| diplo | Seems it's replaced by Mutter not metacity | 15:03 |
| hutch | k | 15:03 |
| diplo | ah, Mutter = Metacity+Clutter :) | 15:03 |
| ali12341 | NET||abuse: that's a known bug/race condition | 15:03 |
| NET||abuse | ali12341: ah, so no fix currently? | 15:04 |
| ali12341 | the overlaw box doesn't disappear fast enough before the screenshot is taken, because for some reason copiz unity goes *really* slow on oneiric | 15:04 |
| hutch | I'm waiting for mint to come out to try Gnome 3 alongside ubuntu | 15:04 |
| NET||abuse | ali12341: really, wow, that sucks, | 15:04 |
| NET||abuse | come on Canonical, get your shiiiiiii....p in order | 15:04 |
| * NET||abuse forgot i have backspace | 15:05 | |
| ali12341 | dragging windows between desktops is painful | 15:06 |
| nymwar | agree | 15:06 |
| ali12341 | redraws about 1 frame per second, tries to snap to everything or half miximize | 15:06 |
| ali12341 | it wouldn't be so bad if the window placement was sensible or if it was possible to open windows when something is fullsreen on the left monitor | 15:07 |
| nymwar | I think there's still some way to go before Unity is really usable | 15:07 |
| hamitron | hopefully 5 months | 15:07 |
| hamitron | ;) | 15:07 |
| NET||abuse | it's usable, just has some, character, yeh that's it | 15:07 |
| hutch | lol | 15:08 |
| ali12341 | it's usable if you have infinite patience | 15:08 |
| hamitron | for someone with very little, that counts me out :/ | 15:08 |
| ali12341 | it gets frustrating when you are trying to do something on a deadline though | 15:08 |
| nymwar | My gripes would be: easy ability to disable global menu, better workspace management, ability to change the position of the dock | 15:09 |
| hamitron | I think I will find Unity better than expected | 15:09 |
| hamitron | I've heard so much against it, I'm expecting the worst when I switch ;) | 15:10 |
| nymwar | there also seems to be a tendency for things to maximize involuntarily | 15:10 |
| hutch | I want to add dash home to cairo dock and remove side bar but can't move dash yet | 15:10 |
| ali12341 | it has started hiding fullscreen windows now for somer eason | 15:10 |
| ali12341 | never seen that before | 15:10 |
| hamitron | :/ | 15:10 |
| directhex | i'm trying the wife on gnome shell. | 15:18 |
| KrisDouglas | Hello | 15:20 |
| KrisDouglas | I've switched to Unity 2D (on an NVidia 9600GT 1GB w/ binary drivers) and the system is about 80% faster. | 15:20 |
| KrisDouglas | Im sure this isn't a good thing. | 15:21 |
| daubers | directhex: You make it sound like a form of medication | 15:21 |
| directhex | daubers, given her system is an atom netbook, it's more like massochism | 15:21 |
| mgdm | it didn't work all that well on my netbook | 15:22 |
| mgdm | the fans spent much of their time on | 15:22 |
| ali12341 | i keep hearing about how compositing desktops are so much faster because they offload work to the GPU | 15:26 |
| ali12341 | but there's one thing a GPU doesn't have and that is process management | 15:27 |
| ali12341 | so as soon as you have more than one thing using it, it grinds to a halt | 15:27 |
| directhex | aha "don't run a bitcoin miner and fallout 3 at the same time" | 15:27 |
| directhex | AKA, even | 15:27 |
| ali12341 | more like "don't try to run fallout 3 and compiz at the same time" | 15:28 |
| ali12341 | brb switching to unity2d | 15:29 |
| Myrtti | oh come on Ubuntu, you can do it, all I did was press page down in my irssi... | 15:29 |
| * Myrtti kicks the tablet a bit | 15:30 | |
| Myrtti | and now it crashes? | 15:30 |
| ali1234 | this is significantly faster | 15:32 |
| ali1234 | unfortunately there's no panel on the second monitor, so no way to unmaximize windows or access their menus | 15:33 |
| popey | I played with a demo of unity on 6 screens at UDS | 15:40 |
| ali1234 | this isn't unity this is unity2d | 15:41 |
| ali1234 | need to reboot for updates | 15:42 |
| hamitron | Dev: "ewwww, 2d, not working on that" | 15:43 |
| AlanBell | unity2d is really really similar to unity 3d | 15:44 |
| AlanBell | in fact, I flipped into 2d by accident and it took a couple of days before I bothered to investigate why the grid maximise thing wasn't working | 15:45 |
| oimon1 | is ther a way to get suspend/resume working with nvidia drivers? worked with nouveau 2d drivers but not proprietary ones | 15:45 |
| Myrtti | is the friday night comedy special BBC4 podcast available only in UK? I think my gpodder is chocking on it | 15:46 |
| popey | Myrtti: http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/radio4/fricomedy/rss.xml | 15:47 |
| popey | that one? | 15:47 |
| Myrtti | looks about right, I got it from gpodder.net, it's quite high on the toplist | 15:48 |
| MooDoo | christel: you causing netsplit issues again ;) | 15:51 |
| Myrtti | MooDoo: it seems to have not been limited to freenode only | 15:52 |
| MooDoo | woohoo :S | 15:52 |
| Myrtti | atleast foonet and by some rumours efnet were effected as well | 15:52 |
| Myrtti | so there must have been a great disturbance in the force | 15:53 |
| Myrtti | oh man, and my unity crashes again. or compiz. or whatever | 15:55 |
| christel | MooDoo: http://blog.phyber.com/level3-outage-likely-juniper-bug | 15:56 |
| christel | ;) | 15:56 |
| MooDoo | ;) | 15:57 |
| ali1234 | that bunch of updates i just did seems to have really improved the speed problems | 16:41 |
| ali1234 | or maybe it is just because i rebooted | 16:42 |
| popey | mgdm: threadless have free shipping for orders over 50 USD! | 16:44 |
| mgdm | popey: ! | 16:44 |
| bigcalm | Oh dear | 16:44 |
| popey | i just got their spam | 16:44 |
| popey | very welcome spam it is! | 16:44 |
| bigcalm | I got Subway spam saying that it was a double points Monday. But didn't get to go because Hayley is off sick :( | 16:46 |
| mgdm | talking of spam, guess who I still get (unwelcome) spa from? | 16:46 |
| bigcalm | Still? | 16:46 |
| mgdm | Yes. | 16:46 |
| bigcalm | Ugh | 16:46 |
| bigcalm | popey: did you manage to stop the Adobe spam? | 16:46 |
| mgdm | I resorted to the MTA | 16:47 |
| popey | i block that now | 16:47 |
| bigcalm | mgdm: bounce it back to them? | 16:47 |
| mgdm | Yeah, I do | 16:47 |
| mgdm | well, with a 550 'Bog off' type response | 16:48 |
| bigcalm | :) | 16:48 |
| bigcalm | popey: so are you working from home full time now? | 16:48 |
| popey | bigcalm: yes | 16:51 |
| bigcalm | Aha. You can join us for a workplace day in Wolverhampton on the 17th then ;) | 16:51 |
| popey | hah | 16:52 |
| bigcalm | Speaking of which, is davmor2 still alive? | 16:52 |
| popey | yeah | 16:52 |
| popey | I met mrs davmor2 too | 16:52 |
| DJones | popey: Will you get one of the shiny "canonical" cloaks for irc | 16:52 |
| MooDoo | popey: did you give her a hug for putting up with davmor2 ;) | 16:53 |
| popey | nah, I'll keep my ubuntu one I reckon | 16:53 |
| popey | MooDoo: my first words were "oh, I'm sorry" | 16:53 |
| MooDoo | hehe | 16:53 |
| bigcalm | :D | 16:54 |
| mgdm | Am I the only one who thinks this whole Olympic torch relay thing is gigantic waste of time/effort/money/energy/all of the above? | 17:01 |
| popey | s/torch relay// | 17:02 |
| bigcalm | Oh you cynic ;) | 17:02 |
| AlanBell | mgdm: http://twitter.com/#!/grumpygamemaker | 17:03 |
| mgdm | popey: well, yes, but I was just reading about them taking a burning stick to various bits of the UK | 17:03 |
| mgdm | AlanBell: hah! Nice :) | 17:04 |
| bigcalm | AlanBell: you? | 17:05 |
| AlanBell | I couldn't possibly say | 17:05 |
| bigcalm | :) | 17:05 |
| DJones | mgdm: | 17:06 |
| DJones | https://twitter.com/#!/Queen_UK/status/133542278642937857 | 17:06 |
| mgdm | heheh | 17:06 |
| * DJones digs out the sat nav & map after hearing that the motorway home has been closed until midnight after a serious accident | 17:10 | |
| MartijnVdS | DJones: google maps \o/ | 17:11 |
| mgdm | DJones: M56? | 17:13 |
| DJones | Yep | 17:13 |
| MartijnVdS | looks bad on the googles | 17:14 |
| MartijnVdS | more north/east than south/westbound though | 17:14 |
| DJones | Yeah, from what I've heard/read, HGV came off a road going above the M56 & crashed down onto the carriagway, cars then crashed into that, air ambulance in attendance | 17:15 |
| DJones | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-15628177 | 17:15 |
| MartijnVdS | You're not having a good week on the motorways in England | 17:15 |
| DJones | I go down that slip road every work day | 17:15 |
| === LewisCawte is now known as lcawte | ||
| === lcawte is now known as Lcawte | ||
| bigcalm | Can you give a <br /> a class? | 17:59 |
| mgdm | bigcalm: probably, but... why? :) | 18:08 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jo Shields] Bansheegeddon - http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/398/ | 18:09 |
| bigcalm | mgdm: hide the line break from desktop sites and only show on mobiles | 18:14 |
| AlanBell | directhex: I suggest you add an item to the community council agenda requesting them to review the way the default apps decision process works | 18:17 |
| mgdm | bigcalm: Hmm | 18:18 |
| bigcalm | mgdm: it's a horrible idea I know :) | 18:20 |
| mgdm | rather :) | 18:22 |
| bigcalm | Right now I'm trying to work out where about 300px of rhs padding it coming from. Makes the mobile version look silly | 18:24 |
| mgdm | its' not to do with the viewport size and initial scale and all that? | 18:24 |
| bigcalm | Newp | 18:25 |
| bigcalm | The issue is only present on some pages | 18:25 |
| bigcalm | Found it :) | 18:28 |
| * bigcalm slaps a position:absolute; element | 18:28 | |
| bigcalm | Just noticed that it's half past home time | 18:30 |
| Guntorian | hai | 18:50 |
| Guntorian | anyone here to help me please | 18:50 |
| AlanBell | hi Guntorian | 18:50 |
| Guntorian | Hello | 18:50 |
| Guntorian | I need some help | 18:50 |
| Guntorian | I got an acer aspire 6935g | 18:51 |
| Guntorian | and now im setting up a second moniter | 18:51 |
| Guntorian | apart from the one on the laptop | 18:51 |
| Guntorian | but im not sue how | 18:51 |
| Guntorian | sure* | 18:51 |
| AlanBell | just plug it in, and run the displays application, should be able to arrange them how you want there | 18:52 |
| AlanBell | is it Ubuntu 11.10? | 18:52 |
| Guntorian | yes | 18:52 |
| Guntorian | it doesnt seem to be finding it | 18:52 |
| Guntorian | when I started up the laptop and has to pick windows or ubuntu it showed | 18:53 |
| Guntorian | but once ubuntu started it hasnt worked | 18:53 |
| Guntorian | hello? | 18:54 |
| AlanBell | just researching it a bit . . . | 18:54 |
| Guntorian | ok np | 18:55 |
| AlanBell | got any keyboard shortcuts like fn+f5 to turn it on? | 18:55 |
| Guntorian | lemme try ( my internal keyboard is abit broken | 18:56 |
| Guntorian | it worked | 18:58 |
| Guntorian | but it came on | 18:59 |
| Guntorian | and went off | 18:59 |
| Guntorian | but now the led is blue not yellow of the monitor | 18:59 |
| Guntorian | if I unplug the vga and put it back in the monitor comes on for like 1 second | 19:00 |
| Guntorian | ._. | 19:00 |
| AlanBell | is it perhaps set to a resolution the monitor can't support? | 19:05 |
| AlanBell | gone! | 19:06 |
| celesteh | hello, i am trying to install the remix os, which is an ubuntu fork | 19:17 |
| celesteh | the download link on the official looking website links to a webpage that's all in russian and it seems a bit dodgy | 19:18 |
| AlanBell | err, don't do that then | 19:18 |
| celesteh | i guess there's not an easy way to tell if the site has been hacked? | 19:19 |
| directhex | you'd need to ask the creators of that distribution | 19:20 |
| celesteh | Are the on freenode? | 19:21 |
| AlanBell | I have never heard of the distribution | 19:22 |
| celesteh | i just got a new computer (switching from mac) and wanted to run puredyne, but that distro is too old for a new laptop | 19:22 |
| * AlanBell has never heard of that either | 19:22 | |
| AlanBell | if you have any Ubuntu questions we might be able to help :) | 19:23 |
| celesteh | i tried ubuntu studio earlier, but it seems to be mostly aimed at video and not audio | 19:23 |
| celesteh | they're ubuntu forks. sorry, for being offtopic | 19:23 |
| celesteh | it's my understanding that ubuntu cannot deal with real-time audio production without changing the kernel because it glitches? | 19:24 |
| BigRedS | yeah, there was a real-time kernel I thought? | 19:26 |
| mgdm | celesteh: depends what you're trying to do | 19:26 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | WOW - Look at this graph of a hdd price: http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CamelEgg1.png | 19:26 |
| celesteh | supercollider and ardour, mostly | 19:26 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Apparently it will get worse too: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/103711-hdd-pricewatch-you-know-where-its-going-we-tell-you-how-much-its-going-to-hurt | 19:26 |
| AlanBell | what is happening to SSD prices? | 19:28 |
| MartijnVdS | not much change | 19:28 |
| AlanBell | oh, last paragraph, not much | 19:28 |
| daubers | Evening | 19:28 |
| bigcalm | Morning | 19:30 |
| celesteh | so where / how do i get a real time kernel? (sorry for being a noob) | 19:31 |
| MartijnVdS | celesteh: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel | 19:31 |
| celesteh | ta, checking that out | 19:32 |
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| awilkins | SSD prices are dropping a bit | 19:42 |
| awilkins | And with the HD price going up, the sweetspot price for a HD (GB / £) will now buy you a reasonably sized SSD | 19:43 |
| === RaycisCharles is now known as qbrix2a | ||
| awilkins | No good for mass media storage but 128GB SSDs are practical for system drives (even for Windows) | 19:44 |
| daubers | awilkins: I wouldn't expect ssds to stay as they are for long. I'd expect them to go up a little bit if anything | 19:56 |
| awilkins | daubers, Yeah. Someone will go "hey, people are still willing to overpay for storage..." | 19:57 |
| MartijnVdS | this might be a trigger for SSD adoption | 19:57 |
| Guntorian | Is anyone here to help me set up my dual monitor | 19:57 |
| daubers | awilkins: That or the demand for them goes up and they won't be able to meet it (which is industry prediction at the moment) | 19:57 |
| awilkins | Arsebiscuits | 19:57 |
| MartijnVdS | if you need storage, by now, or wait until next July | 19:58 |
| awilkins | I'll probably wait | 19:58 |
| daubers | or buy last week and sell now | 19:58 |
| Guntorian | hello? | 19:58 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: I'll get my Delorean | 19:58 |
| daubers | Guntorian: Sorry, I only have a single monitor setup | 19:58 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: though I could probably fit more shipping containers in a TARDIS | 19:58 |
| Guntorian | anyone? | 19:59 |
| MartijnVdS | Guntorian: please just explain the problem | 20:00 |
| MartijnVdS | Guntorian: if anyone thinks they can help they will | 20:00 |
| Guntorian | ok | 20:00 |
| Guntorian | I got an acer aspire 6935g | 20:00 |
| Guntorian | and now I set up a monitor to it | 20:00 |
| Guntorian | the Hyundai l91A | 20:00 |
| Guntorian | and its not recognising it | 20:01 |
| MartijnVdS | what kind of graphics card does it have/ | 20:01 |
| MartijnVdS | Intel? Nvidia? At? | 20:01 |
| MartijnVdS | ati? | 20:01 |
| Guntorian | nvidia | 20:01 |
| MartijnVdS | Guntorian: some NVidia cards only recognise external monitors if they're connected before the machine is started | 20:02 |
| MartijnVdS | Guntorian: also, you need to use the nvidia-settings tool | 20:02 |
| Guntorian | the monitor was connected b4 | 20:02 |
| Guntorian | how do I use that | 20:02 |
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| MartijnVdS | Guntorian: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia | 20:03 |
| MartijnVdS | Guntorian: also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaMultiMonitors | 20:03 |
| Guntorian | I already have recommended installed | 20:04 |
| MartijnVdS | Guntorian: that second page explains how to set up a multi-monitor setup | 20:05 |
| Guntorian | ok | 20:06 |
| Guntorian | I got to the nvidia place | 20:06 |
| Guntorian | but I got one problem | 20:06 |
| Guntorian | what is twin monitor or seperate x screen | 20:06 |
| _jane | wg | 20:06 |
| MartijnVdS | Guntorian: it's explained on the web page | 20:07 |
| MartijnVdS | Guntorian: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaMultiMonitors#Differences | 20:07 |
| Guntorian | im not understand seperate x screen | 20:08 |
| MartijnVdS | Guntorian: it allows you to run two completely separate desktops (programs can't move from one screen to the other) | 20:09 |
| MartijnVdS | Guntorian: it's probably not what you want | 20:09 |
| Guntorian | oh thanks | 20:09 |
| Guntorian | when I hit apply it only works for 1 second | 20:10 |
| Guntorian | hmm? | 20:13 |
| MartijnVdS | Guntorian: I don't know anything about nvidia drivers | 20:13 |
| Guntorian | uhh | 20:13 |
| Guntorian | omg ._> | 20:14 |
| Guntorian | it like comes on for 1 second | 20:14 |
| Guntorian | then leaves | 20:14 |
| Guntorian | not even windows has this problem usually | 20:14 |
| MartijnVdS | well nvidia + linux isn't the best combo ever | 20:15 |
| Guntorian | I noticed | 20:15 |
| Guntorian | brb | 20:16 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: as far as I know nvidia proprietary drivers are the best drivers right now | 20:23 |
| Azelphur | second to probably the open source ati drivers | 20:23 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: For some things (3d) yes | 20:23 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: for other things (randr) no | 20:23 |
| Pernig | my computer is too loud with nouveau drivers :P | 20:24 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 20:24 |
| ali1234 | xrandr is almost completely useless | 20:25 |
| mgdm | I've never had an Ubuntu release where the applet for changing the monitor layout has worked, I've always had to use the xrandr command from the CLI | 20:25 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: except when you connect a second screen and need to configure it | 20:25 |
| mgdm | the applet freezes X | 20:25 |
| MartijnVdS | mgdm: weird, it's worked for me on ATI and Intel for years | 20:26 |
| mgdm | Both the laptops affected have ATI chips | 20:26 |
| mgdm | there were bugs filed by other people, I'm not sure if they got looked at | 20:26 |
| MartijnVdS | free or proprietary drivers | 20:26 |
| mgdm | I tried both until I decided just to live with the xrandr command | 20:26 |
| ali1234 | unless you are using nvidia, then you use nvidia-settings and it is a lot more likely to work properly than xrandr | 20:28 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: except not | 20:29 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: the number of people I've had to help because they couldn't get their nvidia laptops to use the projector | 20:30 |
| MartijnVdS | Intel > * on Linux | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | that's great for laptops | 20:30 |
| MartijnVdS | (in terms of support, not in terms of 3D speed or anything) | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | but who uses those? | 20:30 |
| AlanBell | intel kind of just works for me, but occasionally decides that I want to mirror displays | 20:30 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: Everyone. | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | they don't just randomly pick what to support | 20:31 |
| * MartijnVdS hands AlanBell the fillet knife, to fillet a bug | 20:31 | |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: NVidia does. | 20:31 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: "If it's older than 2 years you're SOL" | 20:31 |
| ali1234 | they support the things that most people want | 20:31 |
| ali1234 | such as proper 3d acceleration and easy dual head support | 20:32 |
| ali1234 | the only thing intel has going to it is open drivers that don't crash and low power usage | 20:32 |
| MartijnVdS | and don't make users cry when connecting to a projector ;) | 20:33 |
| ali1234 | yeah... as long as the width of projector + width of internal display < 2048 | 20:33 |
| ali1234 | not that it will tell you this... it just fails to work | 20:33 |
| AlanBell | only if the max texture size is 2048, which it is on some atom chipsets | 20:34 |
| ali1234 | or does something random like set the internal and external displays to mirror and also be 320x240 | 20:34 |
| AlanBell | and if it is then it should fall back to 2d mode | 20:34 |
| MartijnVdS | I've heard they fixed that | 20:34 |
| ali1234 | crashing compiz in the process? | 20:34 |
| MartijnVdS | and made it 4096? | 20:35 |
| ali1234 | it is a hardware limitation | 20:35 |
| ali1234 | maybe they fixed it in newer chipsets | 20:35 |
| ali1234 | doesn't help me much though | 20:35 |
| ali1234 | otoh nvidia dual head works flawlessly | 20:35 |
| AlanBell | MartijnVdS: they fixed compiz starting to run if the screen size was equal to max texture size | 20:35 |
| * AlanBell has a 2048px wide monitor | 20:35 | |
| AlanBell | newer chipsets have a much wider max texture size | 20:36 |
| * MartijnVdS can't wait for Ivy Bridge | 20:47 | |
| Pernig | hopefully the motherboards won't get recalled this time | 20:50 |
| MartijnVdS | they won't make the same mistake twice | 20:50 |
| BigRedS | they might make a different one :) | 20:52 |
| BigRedS | Oh, MartijnVdS you're perly. you coming to the LPW this weekend? | 20:52 |
| MartijnVdS | No | 20:54 |
| BigRedS | ah, fair enough | 20:54 |
| MartijnVdS | already went to YAPC::EU and $boss won't pay for both | 20:54 |
| BigRedS | I was hoping for more face-to-name links | 20:55 |
| MartijnVdS | I'll probably be at FOSDEM | 20:57 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Andy Loughran] Active Traffic Management - http://zrmt.com/2011/11/07/active-traffic-management-2/ | 22:09 |
| === Lcawte is now known as zz_Lcawte | ||
| * popey pokes AlanBell | 23:10 | |
| popey | I'll delete the page I made then | 23:10 |
| AlanBell | so multiple people can make the same page? | 23:12 |
| * AlanBell just made +ubuntu | 23:12 | |
| popey | fool | 23:12 |
| popey | jono already made one | 23:12 |
| AlanBell | yeah | 23:13 |
| popey | probably best to check first | 23:13 |
| AlanBell | I just wanted to find out what happened if you create a page that is already taken, didn't expect it to work | 23:13 |
| AlanBell | was expecting an interesting error message | 23:13 |
| popey | right, deleted the ubuntu-uk one I made | 23:14 |
| popey | (two hours ago) | 23:14 |
| AlanBell | sorry, I was travelling :) | 23:16 |
| popey | I'd remove the ubuntu one to reduce confusion | 23:16 |
| AlanBell | done | 23:19 |
| celesteh | hello, i'm wondering how do i tell if I should install the 64-bit (AMD) kernel or the other one? | 23:23 |
| hamitron | do you know what cpu you have? | 23:24 |
| hamitron | and how much memory | 23:24 |
| === Pernig_ is now known as Pernig | ||
| celesteh | it's a new machine (and I'm new to ubuntu, so i know it has 8 gigs of ram, but i don't remember what processor it has. I've booted the ubuntu live cd. is there a command someplace that prints out this information? | 23:26 |
| hamitron | then you will want the AMD64 version | 23:27 |
| mgdm | celesteh: cat /proc/cpuinfo | 23:27 |
| celesteh | how do i open the terminal? (sorry, i don't see it on the sidebar) | 23:29 |
| celesteh | ah, found it | 23:30 |
| celesteh | what, in particular, ami looking for in that information? | 23:32 |
| celesteh | it's an intel. is the 64 bit for AMD only? | 23:33 |
| hamitron | celesteh, no, AMD made the standard | 23:36 |
| AlanBell | https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/110834053865602900585/110834053865602900585/posts G+ page for the UK team I think | 23:41 |
| popey | AlanBell: seen the epic fail on linux format cover? | 23:41 |
| popey | that url doesn't look right | 23:41 |
| popey | http://www.hudzilla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=102685 | 23:42 |
| popey | https://plus.google.com/u/0/110834053865602900585/posts | 23:42 |
| popey | cover of linux format has a headline about women in linux, and uses "XY.org" as a headline | 23:42 |
| AlanBell | genetics fail | 23:43 |
| * hamitron got bored with LXF | 23:43 | |
| hamitron | decided to buy a few good books, rather than spend £60 | 23:44 |
| hamitron | has it improved since? | 23:44 |
| hamitron | since 2006 I mean | 23:45 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 23:45 |
| popey | conversely this latest issue of Computer Active has 40 pages about Ubuntu in it | 23:45 |
| hamitron | prob more than Linux Format :/ | 23:45 |
| popey | hah | 23:46 |
| hamitron | tbh, it wasn't a bad read that bugged me | 23:46 |
| hamitron | jsut the huge cost, and them tutorials always left me wanting more | 23:46 |
| hamitron | so had to go buy books anyway :/ | 23:47 |
| celesteh | hamitron: ta! | 23:47 |
| hamitron | np :) | 23:48 |
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