[03:36] If someone sees ball, can they tell him to use #ubuntu-mythtv please [05:40] Daviey: memoserv? :) [05:44] Hello [05:46] perhaps it is too early to speak [05:47] i'm french and i research a computer scientist in oder to improve my english expression [05:48] What's more, i want to understand little better ubuntu 11.10 [05:48] nobody ? [06:42] hi [06:43] * ball waves [07:12] ball: 03:36 < Daviey> If someone sees ball, can they tell him to use #ubuntu-mythtv please [07:12] also, morning o/ [07:27] shauno: Thanks, I figured that out after I asked the question. I appreciate passing on the message though. [07:28] #joar [07:33] morning all [07:36] Morning AlanBell! === jussio1 is now known as jussi [08:23] aloha [08:27] yo [08:27] good trip back? [08:28] yeah, all recovered [08:32] * popey hugs landscape [08:34] Morning all === markus_ is now known as mhyfritz [08:36] * ball waves [08:36] morning earthlings [08:37] Let's hope "they" are right and this asteroid that passes between us and the moon is going to miss ;-) [08:37] the nerd in me thinks it'd be pretty neat if it hit the moon [08:40] "Scientists say the asteroid will miss us, but it will be barely more than 200,000 miles away when it passes Earth at 11:13 p.m. Tuesday" [08:40] That sounds quite close to me... [08:40] http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/11/weekend-news-flash-nasa-resumes-observation-of-massive-asteroid-which-will-fly-by-earth-tuesday.html [08:44] it's odd talking about close on that scale. earth's only ~8000 miles wide [08:46] the universe is very very very big. 200K miles is _very_ close :D [08:48] try flying it in economy! [08:58] good morning [09:01] morning all [09:09] morning all [09:15] popey: figured out what you do yet? [09:15] Good morning all o/ [09:16] good weekend everyone? [09:16] yes AlanBell [09:23] good morning everyone. [09:23] * ball waves [09:23] * brobostigon waves back [09:25] morning [09:26] morning Laney [09:26] moin [09:27] moin Myrtti [09:27] Thunderbird & Firefox 8 are released tomorrow. Oh how I hate thee - quick release cycle with major version number change. [09:29] * awilkins yawns and stretches now that his cavity wall insulation has been done [09:30] TheOpenSourcerer: what happens if you just set the plugin to be compatible with thunderbird up to version 10 for example? [09:30] It might keep working. Then again it might not. ;-) [09:31] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-15611160 [09:31] TheOpenSourcerer, It's whats holding me back upgrading at the mo [09:31] the version changes [09:31] popey: glitter bang sparkle [09:31] I use some of my plugins daily, don't want the chance of them breaking just to have newest [09:33] I could project support forward but not by much (only 9 and 10.0a1) currently: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/pages/appversions/ [09:34] That was a manic and great firework display popey - I saw that yesterday. Kids thought it was great. [09:34] ok, so no forward projecting by much if you want to be in the addon store [09:35] Even not in the store. Those numbers are what are "understood" by the app. [09:35] If I tried 10.* for exmaple it would barf. [09:36] Morning all! May your Monday be magnificent! :) [09:36] huh?? so how would an older version of the app use your latest plugin? [09:36] There is a min version [09:36] and a max version [09:37] yes, so say I have current thunderbird 7.01, and I want to keep that [09:37] fine. [09:37] and next year your app supports thunderbird 13 because it is allowed to then [09:38] min version is 3.something iirc [09:38] would my thunderbird reject the plugin because it doesn't understand the max version? [09:38] I see. Dunno. [09:38] * TheOpenSourcerer decides to do some more testing later. [10:11] * ball is using a Webcam in Chippenham to test some application servers [11:27] ball: you're reasonably local to me [11:34] ikonia: Where are you? [11:38] O_O [11:39] Good morning peeps :) [11:39] morning [11:39] popey: is that you jetlagged face? [11:39] hah, no jetlag here [11:39] \o/ [11:39] Yet [11:40] ikonia: Where are you? [11:42] I'll brb. [11:54] Melatonin FTW! [12:29] Whoever has got the remote control for the heating, please use it and turn it up a few notches [12:30] +1 DJones - I have just donned my old baggy jumper [12:30] I refuse to heat the whole house when there's just me in one room. [12:31] I'm not quite that cold, but I think the jumper will be needed when I go out for dinner [12:55] Anybody interested in HP Touchpads, if your a registered webOS developer you can get a 32Gb Touchpad for £130 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developer_device_program.html [12:59] hmm i might be one of those [13:00] Got to be pre-registered DJones ? [13:00] Loading page now [13:00] but internet here is sssssooooooooo slooow [13:00] I picked the report up about it from here http://www.reghardware.com/2011/11/07/hp_offers_devs_cheap_touchpad_tablets/ [13:01] "Signing up for a Developer Account is free, though you'll need a PayPal account" [13:01] https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_user&view=login&signup [13:03] cheers [13:03] may sign up just to try [13:03] :) [13:10] * TheOpenSourcerer is quite pleased with his touchpad. [13:10] * TheOpenSourcerer is looking forward to getting CM7 or 9 on it though. [13:11] TheOpenSourcerer, the irony is there are more touchpad apps than android tablet apps, since there are more webos tablets than android tablets sold [13:11] lol [13:11] HP are accidentally #2 in the market behind apple [13:12] what is that i don't even [13:13] how many touchpad apps are there? [13:13] defining tablet to be a fondleslab that isn't a phone? [13:13] What's the native app language for WebOS tablet apps? [13:14] html5? [13:15] Then that might contribute to there being more apps for WebOS [13:16] why? [13:16] A lot of web devs know HTML/CSS. We don't really need to learn Objective C or Java [13:17] https://twitter.com/#!/jonlech/status/110598881049452545 [13:17] :D [13:18] Well, the linux desktop ideal is slowly getting there [13:18] But I agree with that tweet [13:18] desktop is dead [13:18] Long live the desktop! [13:24] Why am I struggling to find a document holder? Are they not called that? [13:25] You mean something like this http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?hl=en&sugexp=ppwl&cp=15&gs_id=1n&xhr=t&q=document+holder&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&biw=1154&bih=667&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=15542777574166386784&sa=X&ei=M9y3TojvBorNhAeLh7ixBA&sqi=2&ved=0CHsQ8wIwAQ [13:26] Yes. Except I need one with a g-clamp as I've run out of desk space [13:26] If it is, probably better looking for "desktop copyholder" [13:26] Ta :) [13:27] Heh http://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Adjustable-Ergonomic-Copyholder-K62066/dp/B00006B8MX/ref=pd_sbs_op_19 [13:28] Think it would attach to a TFT? [13:29] Looks like it needs a decent sized area to stick onto, TFT I've got in front of me only has about 2cm's depth on the side of the case [13:30] There is this http://www.amazon.com/3M-Mounted-Holder-Capacity-DH445/dp/B00006IA8S/ref=pd_sbs_op_3 [13:33] When you search doe flat panel mount copyholder, seems to be loads of them [13:33] s/doe/for [13:33] Lunch time is here. Might pop out and have a look around Staples [13:36] \o/ After the complete farce of new software providers saying that their system would do things and then finding out they wouldn't/couldn't, we've abandoned the system, lets see if we get any money back (although we do have a recorded conversation between their directors & ours admitting they'd mis-sold it) [13:38] DJones, good luck, we went through that for months/years trying to get back 80k [13:39] what is the current going price for webhosting for a small website that needs a) php b) mysql c) shell access with vi/vim and d) allows phpBB2 to be run in it? [13:39] hehe, that was all good till you said d) [13:40] Myrtti: small vps from bitfolk? [13:40] popey: d) is because I'm lazy and I have limited amounts of patience to try to migrate to phpBB3 without handhelding [13:40] Shared hosting is going to be cheaper MooDoo ? [13:40] I pay £4.50 a month for 150gb disc space/unlimited data [13:40] diplo: I can believe it, luckily all our conversations are recorded and we've got mutiple recordings with admitting they sold us a product that wouldn't work & that they'd sacked teh sales rep [13:41] mind you, the discussion forum does have traffic instead of being stagnant [13:41] heh we were employing the guy who sold us it and it still went to court [13:41] Ouch [13:41] Yep, these people don't like giving up ( well this compnay ) [13:42] that didn't make much sense [13:42] I use GoDaddy atm Myrtti as I said it's cheaper, hosted in the EU [13:43] 2800 registered users, 226688 messages, seven years running [13:43] 2800 registered, but how many active :) [13:44] I've got 400-500 members of my forums, with 10 active now :D [13:44] of=on [13:45] popey (or other EMEA council bod): any news on when the 1st's membership meeting has been postponed to yet? [13:46] Oli: uhm. I am not on it anymore, ask czajkowski [13:46] Oh right, my bad. Is that (your not being on it) recent? [13:47] fairly, yes [13:48] diplo: ask again in a few hours, users are either at work or doing something else important at the moment, the peak comes after six o'clock [13:48] diplo: only four at the moment [13:48] heh [13:49] yeah I don't have to watch load anymore, made life a lot easier.. [13:49] All because we all got old / had kids / no time. [13:49] Oli: just finding out now, we were all at UDS last week. [13:51] czajkowski: Thanks [13:54] Oli: we'll contact the applicants when we figure out a day, alternatively you can add your name to the Americas board if that is sooner ok. === gmb is now known as graham === graham is now known as Guest12702 === Guest12702 is now known as gmb [13:55] * Laney just slipped on a pile of Ubuntu CDs [14:01] Ubuntu CDs -- the new bananas? [14:04] * Laney writes to hanna barbera [14:07] i think it's trying to snow [14:14] it can't be that cold, surely? [14:15] whoop. [14:15] erk === dipl0 is now known as diplo [14:48] Afternoon [14:48] Is there a summary of all the big decisions made at UDS somewhere? [14:48] how tall are you popey ? [14:49] Hi folks, having a weird time with 11.10, using 11.04 on laptop, and things are great, 11.10 is ok, but got some reaaaly odd stuff [14:49] when you alt-tab you get all the windows of a type up at the same time, [14:49] it's not really very good as it then makes it MORE difficult to switch between windows of that same type wihtout using th emouse [14:49] me == mostlykeyboard guy [14:50] secondly, trying to use the compiz screenshot tool, it's giving the blue overlay for the screenshot selector with the screenshot [14:51] eg.. http://www.ashe-browne.com/tmp/yahoo1.jpg and http://www.ashe-browne.com/tmp/yahoo2.jpg [14:51] You can see yahoo2.jpg has the blueness overlaid on it [14:51] the first is taken with regular PrtScn and cropped in gimp [14:52] MooDoo: why? [14:52] popey: he's mesurin yer cofin [14:52] popey: lol no saw a pic of the loco council with you and czajkowski just wondering how tall the other chap is :) [14:53] http://www.lczajkowski.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/ADBC3AFB97124FD9B528B1AFD3DCC86B-0000314218-0002618905-00800L-FAE48149541D4D81838FDC52CA1684D1.jpg [14:54] that pic popey's eyes are like a devil... [14:54] i just want to be the tallest ubuntu user in the world EVER!! :) [14:55] popey has stolen my tshirt! [14:55] me 2 (I'm only 5'3") What R my chances? [14:56] hehe [14:56] NET||abuse, With the task switcher, you can break into the list of similar windows by using the down arrow, and move between them with side arrows [14:56] http://twitpic.com/68x23y <-- me in same tshirt [14:57] mgdm: hmmm why is popey wearing your clothes? [14:57] anyway, questions, can i configure any of these things? [14:57] MooDoo: it's worrying [14:58] awilkins: yeh i saw that, but it sucks as a shortcut, the efort required to context shift into alt-tabbing, and then hit down and left right between windows, it's too different [14:58] so it sucks [14:59] To me it feels like an interface getting in the way [14:59] Is there a way to add dash home to cairo docck and remove side bar? [15:00] NET||abuse, One of the reasons I've been trying Gnome3 :) [15:01] diplo: have you got compiz on gnome3 or does it have it's own compositing window decoration? [15:01] I'm using Gnome shell on 11.10 [15:01] MetacityI belive [15:01] Same here nymwar [15:01] AFAIK it doesn't use compiz [15:01] Metacity [15:01] hmm, anyway, issue at hand is i like the quick box selection in compiz screenshot [15:02] but it's giving me that blue colour [15:02] compiz and metacity are differen't aren't they? [15:02] there's no options to turn off that blue overlay colour it uses in the ccsm config tool [15:02] yeah [15:02] hutch: they have some kind of seperation of roles yeh [15:03] Seems it's replaced by Mutter not metacity [15:03] k [15:03] ah, Mutter = Metacity+Clutter :) [15:03] NET||abuse: that's a known bug/race condition [15:04] ali12341: ah, so no fix currently? [15:04] the overlaw box doesn't disappear fast enough before the screenshot is taken, because for some reason copiz unity goes *really* slow on oneiric [15:04] I'm waiting for mint to come out to try Gnome 3 alongside ubuntu [15:04] ali12341: really, wow, that sucks, [15:04] come on Canonical, get your shiiiiiii....p in order [15:05] * NET||abuse forgot i have backspace [15:06] dragging windows between desktops is painful [15:06] agree [15:06] redraws about 1 frame per second, tries to snap to everything or half miximize [15:07] it wouldn't be so bad if the window placement was sensible or if it was possible to open windows when something is fullsreen on the left monitor [15:07] I think there's still some way to go before Unity is really usable [15:07] hopefully 5 months [15:07] ;) [15:07] it's usable, just has some, character, yeh that's it [15:08] lol [15:08] it's usable if you have infinite patience [15:08] for someone with very little, that counts me out :/ [15:08] it gets frustrating when you are trying to do something on a deadline though [15:09] My gripes would be: easy ability to disable global menu, better workspace management, ability to change the position of the dock [15:09] I think I will find Unity better than expected [15:10] I've heard so much against it, I'm expecting the worst when I switch ;) [15:10] there also seems to be a tendency for things to maximize involuntarily [15:10] I want to add dash home to cairo dock and remove side bar but can't move dash yet [15:10] it has started hiding fullscreen windows now for somer eason [15:10] never seen that before [15:10] :/ [15:18] i'm trying the wife on gnome shell. [15:20] Hello [15:20] I've switched to Unity 2D (on an NVidia 9600GT 1GB w/ binary drivers) and the system is about 80% faster. [15:21] Im sure this isn't a good thing. [15:21] directhex: You make it sound like a form of medication [15:21] daubers, given her system is an atom netbook, it's more like massochism [15:22] it didn't work all that well on my netbook [15:22] the fans spent much of their time on [15:26] i keep hearing about how compositing desktops are so much faster because they offload work to the GPU [15:27] but there's one thing a GPU doesn't have and that is process management [15:27] so as soon as you have more than one thing using it, it grinds to a halt [15:27] aha "don't run a bitcoin miner and fallout 3 at the same time" [15:27] AKA, even [15:28] more like "don't try to run fallout 3 and compiz at the same time" [15:29] brb switching to unity2d [15:29] oh come on Ubuntu, you can do it, all I did was press page down in my irssi... [15:30] * Myrtti kicks the tablet a bit [15:30] and now it crashes? [15:32] this is significantly faster [15:33] unfortunately there's no panel on the second monitor, so no way to unmaximize windows or access their menus [15:40] I played with a demo of unity on 6 screens at UDS [15:41] this isn't unity this is unity2d [15:42] need to reboot for updates [15:43] Dev: "ewwww, 2d, not working on that" [15:44] unity2d is really really similar to unity 3d [15:45] in fact, I flipped into 2d by accident and it took a couple of days before I bothered to investigate why the grid maximise thing wasn't working [15:45] is ther a way to get suspend/resume working with nvidia drivers? worked with nouveau 2d drivers but not proprietary ones [15:46] is the friday night comedy special BBC4 podcast available only in UK? I think my gpodder is chocking on it [15:47] Myrtti: http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/radio4/fricomedy/rss.xml [15:47] that one? [15:48] looks about right, I got it from gpodder.net, it's quite high on the toplist [15:51] christel: you causing netsplit issues again ;) [15:52] MooDoo: it seems to have not been limited to freenode only [15:52] woohoo :S [15:52] atleast foonet and by some rumours efnet were effected as well [15:53] so there must have been a great disturbance in the force [15:55] oh man, and my unity crashes again. or compiz. or whatever [15:56] MooDoo: http://blog.phyber.com/level3-outage-likely-juniper-bug [15:56] ;) [15:57] ;) [16:41] that bunch of updates i just did seems to have really improved the speed problems [16:42] or maybe it is just because i rebooted [16:44] mgdm: threadless have free shipping for orders over 50 USD! [16:44] popey: ! [16:44] Oh dear [16:44] i just got their spam [16:44] very welcome spam it is! [16:46] I got Subway spam saying that it was a double points Monday. But didn't get to go because Hayley is off sick :( [16:46] talking of spam, guess who I still get (unwelcome) spa from? [16:46] Still? [16:46] Yes. [16:46] Ugh [16:46] popey: did you manage to stop the Adobe spam? [16:47] I resorted to the MTA [16:47] i block that now [16:47] mgdm: bounce it back to them? [16:47] Yeah, I do [16:48] well, with a 550 'Bog off' type response [16:48] :) [16:48] popey: so are you working from home full time now? [16:51] bigcalm: yes [16:51] Aha. You can join us for a workplace day in Wolverhampton on the 17th then ;) [16:52] hah [16:52] Speaking of which, is davmor2 still alive? [16:52] yeah [16:52] I met mrs davmor2 too [16:52] popey: Will you get one of the shiny "canonical" cloaks for irc [16:53] popey: did you give her a hug for putting up with davmor2 ;) [16:53] nah, I'll keep my ubuntu one I reckon [16:53] MooDoo: my first words were "oh, I'm sorry" [16:53] hehe [16:54] :D [17:01] Am I the only one who thinks this whole Olympic torch relay thing is gigantic waste of time/effort/money/energy/all of the above? [17:02] s/torch relay// [17:02] Oh you cynic ;) [17:03] mgdm: http://twitter.com/#!/grumpygamemaker [17:03] popey: well, yes, but I was just reading about them taking a burning stick to various bits of the UK [17:04] AlanBell: hah! Nice :) [17:05] AlanBell: you? [17:05] I couldn't possibly say [17:05] :) [17:06] mgdm: [17:06] https://twitter.com/#!/Queen_UK/status/133542278642937857 [17:06] heheh [17:10] * DJones digs out the sat nav & map after hearing that the motorway home has been closed until midnight after a serious accident [17:11] DJones: google maps \o/ [17:13] DJones: M56? [17:13] Yep [17:14] looks bad on the googles [17:14] more north/east than south/westbound though [17:15] Yeah, from what I've heard/read, HGV came off a road going above the M56 & crashed down onto the carriagway, cars then crashed into that, air ambulance in attendance [17:15] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-15628177 [17:15] You're not having a good week on the motorways in England [17:15] I go down that slip road every work day === LewisCawte is now known as lcawte === lcawte is now known as Lcawte [17:59] Can you give a
a class? [18:08] bigcalm: probably, but... why? :) [18:09] [Jo Shields] Bansheegeddon - http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/398/ [18:14] mgdm: hide the line break from desktop sites and only show on mobiles [18:17] directhex: I suggest you add an item to the community council agenda requesting them to review the way the default apps decision process works [18:18] bigcalm: Hmm [18:20] mgdm: it's a horrible idea I know :) [18:22] rather :) [18:24] Right now I'm trying to work out where about 300px of rhs padding it coming from. Makes the mobile version look silly [18:24] its' not to do with the viewport size and initial scale and all that? [18:25] Newp [18:25] The issue is only present on some pages [18:28] Found it :) [18:28] * bigcalm slaps a position:absolute; element [18:30] Just noticed that it's half past home time [18:50] hai [18:50] anyone here to help me please [18:50] hi Guntorian [18:50] Hello [18:50] I need some help [18:51] I got an acer aspire 6935g [18:51] and now im setting up a second moniter [18:51] apart from the one on the laptop [18:51] but im not sue how [18:51] sure* [18:52] just plug it in, and run the displays application, should be able to arrange them how you want there [18:52] is it Ubuntu 11.10? [18:52] yes [18:52] it doesnt seem to be finding it [18:53] when I started up the laptop and has to pick windows or ubuntu it showed [18:53] but once ubuntu started it hasnt worked [18:54] hello? [18:54] just researching it a bit . . . [18:55] ok np [18:55] got any keyboard shortcuts like fn+f5 to turn it on? [18:56] lemme try ( my internal keyboard is abit broken [18:58] it worked [18:59] but it came on [18:59] and went off [18:59] but now the led is blue not yellow of the monitor [19:00] if I unplug the vga and put it back in the monitor comes on for like 1 second [19:00] ._. [19:05] is it perhaps set to a resolution the monitor can't support? [19:06] gone! [19:17] hello, i am trying to install the remix os, which is an ubuntu fork [19:18] the download link on the official looking website links to a webpage that's all in russian and it seems a bit dodgy [19:18] err, don't do that then [19:19] i guess there's not an easy way to tell if the site has been hacked? [19:20] you'd need to ask the creators of that distribution [19:21] Are the on freenode? [19:22] I have never heard of the distribution [19:22] i just got a new computer (switching from mac) and wanted to run puredyne, but that distro is too old for a new laptop [19:22] * AlanBell has never heard of that either [19:23] if you have any Ubuntu questions we might be able to help :) [19:23] i tried ubuntu studio earlier, but it seems to be mostly aimed at video and not audio [19:23] they're ubuntu forks. sorry, for being offtopic [19:24] it's my understanding that ubuntu cannot deal with real-time audio production without changing the kernel because it glitches? [19:26] yeah, there was a real-time kernel I thought? [19:26] celesteh: depends what you're trying to do [19:26] WOW - Look at this graph of a hdd price: http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CamelEgg1.png [19:26] supercollider and ardour, mostly [19:26] Apparently it will get worse too: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/103711-hdd-pricewatch-you-know-where-its-going-we-tell-you-how-much-its-going-to-hurt [19:28] what is happening to SSD prices? [19:28] not much change [19:28] oh, last paragraph, not much [19:28] Evening [19:30] Morning [19:31] so where / how do i get a real time kernel? (sorry for being a noob) [19:31] celesteh: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel [19:32] ta, checking that out === GentileBen is now known as Saviz === Saviz is now known as RaycisCharles [19:42] SSD prices are dropping a bit [19:43] And with the HD price going up, the sweetspot price for a HD (GB / £) will now buy you a reasonably sized SSD === RaycisCharles is now known as qbrix2a [19:44] No good for mass media storage but 128GB SSDs are practical for system drives (even for Windows) [19:56] awilkins: I wouldn't expect ssds to stay as they are for long. I'd expect them to go up a little bit if anything [19:57] daubers, Yeah. Someone will go "hey, people are still willing to overpay for storage..." [19:57] this might be a trigger for SSD adoption [19:57] Is anyone here to help me set up my dual monitor [19:57] awilkins: That or the demand for them goes up and they won't be able to meet it (which is industry prediction at the moment) [19:57] Arsebiscuits [19:58] if you need storage, by now, or wait until next July [19:58] I'll probably wait [19:58] or buy last week and sell now [19:58] hello? [19:58] daubers: I'll get my Delorean [19:58]