[03:36] <Daviey> If someone sees ball, can they tell him to use #ubuntu-mythtv please
[05:40] <MartijnVdS> Daviey: memoserv? :)
[05:44] <florent_> Hello
[05:46] <florent_> perhaps it is too early to speak
[05:47] <florent_> i'm french and i research a computer scientist in oder to improve my english expression
[05:48] <florent_> What's more, i want to understand little better ubuntu 11.10
[05:48] <florent_> nobody ?
[06:42] <zprood> hi
[06:43]  * ball waves
[07:12] <shauno> ball: 03:36 < Daviey> If someone sees ball, can they tell him to use #ubuntu-mythtv please
[07:12] <shauno> also, morning o/
[07:27] <ball> shauno: Thanks, I figured that out after I asked the question.  I appreciate passing on the message though.
[07:28] <joar_>  #joar
[07:33] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:36] <ball> Morning AlanBell!
[08:23] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:27] <popey> yo
[08:27] <AlanBell> good trip back?
[08:28] <popey> yeah, all recovered
[08:32]  * popey hugs landscape
[08:34] <DJones> Morning all
[08:36]  * ball waves
[08:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning earthlings
[08:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Let's hope "they" are right and this asteroid that passes between us and the moon is going to miss ;-)
[08:37] <shauno> the nerd in me thinks it'd be pretty neat if it hit the moon
[08:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> "Scientists say the asteroid will miss us, but it will be barely more  than 200,000 miles away when it passes Earth at 11:13 p.m. Tuesday"
[08:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> That sounds quite close to me...
[08:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/11/weekend-news-flash-nasa-resumes-observation-of-massive-asteroid-which-will-fly-by-earth-tuesday.html
[08:44] <shauno> it's odd talking about close on that scale.  earth's only ~8000 miles wide
[08:46] <popey> the universe is very very very big. 200K miles is _very_ close :D
[08:48] <jml> try flying it in economy!
[08:58] <hoover> good morning
[09:01] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:09] <diplo> morning all
[09:15] <AlanBell> popey: figured out what you do yet?
[09:15] <selinuxium> Good morning all    o/
[09:16] <MooDoo> good weekend everyone?
[09:16] <popey> yes AlanBell
[09:23] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:23]  * ball waves
[09:23]  * brobostigon waves back
[09:25] <Laney> morning
[09:26] <brobostigon> morning Laney
[09:26] <Myrtti> moin
[09:27] <brobostigon> moin Myrtti
[09:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thunderbird & Firefox 8 are released tomorrow. Oh how I hate thee - quick release cycle with major version number change.
[09:29]  * awilkins yawns and stretches now that his cavity wall insulation has been done
[09:30] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: what happens if you just set the plugin to be compatible with thunderbird up to version 10 for example?
[09:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> It might keep working. Then again it might not. ;-)
[09:31] <popey> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-15611160
[09:31] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer, It's whats holding me back upgrading at the mo
[09:31] <diplo> the version changes
[09:31] <AlanBell> popey: glitter bang sparkle
[09:31] <diplo> I use some of my plugins daily, don't want the chance of them breaking just to have newest
[09:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> I could project support forward but not by much (only 9 and 10.0a1) currently: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/pages/appversions/
[09:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> That was a manic and great firework display popey - I saw that yesterday. Kids thought it was great.
[09:34] <AlanBell> ok, so no forward projecting by much if you want to be in the addon store
[09:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Even not in the store. Those numbers are what are "understood" by the app.
[09:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> If I tried 10.* for exmaple it would barf.
[09:36] <JamesTait> Morning all! May your Monday be magnificent! :)
[09:36] <AlanBell> huh?? so how would an older version of the app use your latest plugin?
[09:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> There is a min version
[09:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> and a max version
[09:37] <AlanBell> yes, so say I have current thunderbird 7.01, and I want to keep that
[09:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> fine.
[09:37] <AlanBell> and next year your app supports thunderbird 13 because it is allowed to then
[09:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> min version is 3.something iirc
[09:38] <AlanBell> would my thunderbird reject the plugin because it doesn't understand the max version?
[09:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> I see. Dunno.
[09:38]  * TheOpenSourcerer decides to do some more testing later.
[10:11]  * ball is using a Webcam in Chippenham to test some application servers
[11:27] <ikonia> ball: you're reasonably local to me
[11:34] <ball> ikonia: Where are you?
[11:38] <popey> O_O
[11:39] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:39] <MooDoo> morning
[11:39] <bigcalm> popey: is that you jetlagged face?
[11:39] <popey> hah, no jetlag here
[11:39] <popey> \o/
[11:39] <bigcalm> Yet
[11:40] <ball> ikonia: Where are you?
[11:42] <ball> I'll brb.
[11:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Melatonin FTW!
[12:29] <DJones> Whoever has got the remote control for the heating, please use it and turn it up a few notches
[12:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> +1 DJones - I have just donned my old baggy jumper
[12:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> I refuse to heat the whole house when there's just me in one room.
[12:31] <DJones> I'm not quite that cold, but I think the jumper will be needed when I go out for dinner
[12:55] <DJones> Anybody interested in HP Touchpads, if your a registered webOS developer you can get a 32Gb Touchpad for £130 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developer_device_program.html
[12:59] <ali12341> hmm i might be one of those
[13:00] <diplo> Got to be pre-registered DJones ?
[13:00] <diplo> Loading page now
[13:00] <diplo> but internet here is sssssooooooooo slooow
[13:00] <DJones> I picked the report up about it from here http://www.reghardware.com/2011/11/07/hp_offers_devs_cheap_touchpad_tablets/
[13:01] <DJones> "Signing up for a Developer Account is free, though you'll need a PayPal account"
[13:01] <DJones> https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_user&view=login&signup
[13:03] <diplo> cheers
[13:03] <diplo> may sign up just to try
[13:03] <diplo> :)
[13:10]  * TheOpenSourcerer is quite pleased with his touchpad.
[13:10]  * TheOpenSourcerer is looking forward to getting CM7 or 9 on it though.
[13:11] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, the irony is there are more touchpad apps than android tablet apps, since there are more webos tablets than android tablets sold
[13:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[13:11] <directhex> HP are accidentally #2 in the market behind apple
[13:12] <ali12341> what is that i don't even
[13:13] <ali12341> how many touchpad apps are there?
[13:13] <AlanBell> defining tablet to be a fondleslab that isn't a phone?
[13:13] <bigcalm> What's the native app language for WebOS tablet apps?
[13:14] <ali12341> html5?
[13:15] <bigcalm> Then that might contribute to there being more apps for WebOS
[13:16] <ali12341> why?
[13:16] <bigcalm> A lot of web devs know HTML/CSS. We don't really need to learn Objective C or Java
[13:17] <AlanBell> https://twitter.com/#!/jonlech/status/110598881049452545
[13:17] <bigcalm> :D
[13:18] <bigcalm> Well, the linux desktop ideal is slowly getting there
[13:18] <bigcalm> But I agree with that tweet
[13:18] <ali12341> desktop is dead
[13:18] <bigcalm> Long live the desktop!
[13:24] <bigcalm> Why am I struggling to find a document holder? Are they not called that?
[13:25] <DJones> You mean something like this http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?hl=en&sugexp=ppwl&cp=15&gs_id=1n&xhr=t&q=document+holder&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&biw=1154&bih=667&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=15542777574166386784&sa=X&ei=M9y3TojvBorNhAeLh7ixBA&sqi=2&ved=0CHsQ8wIwAQ
[13:26] <bigcalm> Yes. Except I need one with a g-clamp as I've run out of desk space
[13:26] <DJones> If it is, probably better looking for "desktop copyholder"
[13:26] <bigcalm> Ta :)
[13:27] <DJones> Heh http://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Adjustable-Ergonomic-Copyholder-K62066/dp/B00006B8MX/ref=pd_sbs_op_19
[13:28] <bigcalm> Think it would attach to a TFT?
[13:29] <DJones> Looks like it needs a decent sized area to stick onto, TFT I've got in front of me only has about 2cm's depth on the side of the case
[13:30] <DJones> There is this http://www.amazon.com/3M-Mounted-Holder-Capacity-DH445/dp/B00006IA8S/ref=pd_sbs_op_3
[13:33] <DJones> When you search doe flat panel mount copyholder, seems to be loads of them
[13:33] <DJones> s/doe/for
[13:33] <bigcalm> Lunch time is here. Might pop out and have a look around Staples
[13:36] <DJones> \o/ After the complete farce of new software providers saying that their system would do things and then finding out they wouldn't/couldn't, we've abandoned the system, lets see if we get any money back (although we do have a recorded conversation between their directors & ours admitting they'd mis-sold it)
[13:38] <diplo> DJones, good luck, we went through that for months/years trying to get back 80k
[13:39] <Myrtti> what is the current going price for webhosting for a small website that needs a) php b) mysql c) shell access with vi/vim and d) allows phpBB2 to be run in it?
[13:39] <popey> hehe, that was all good till you said d)
[13:40] <MooDoo> Myrtti: small vps from bitfolk?
[13:40] <Myrtti> popey: d) is because I'm lazy and I have limited amounts of patience to try to migrate to phpBB3 without handhelding
[13:40] <diplo> Shared hosting is going to be cheaper MooDoo ?
[13:40] <diplo> I pay £4.50 a month for 150gb disc space/unlimited data
[13:40] <DJones> diplo: I can believe it, luckily all our conversations are recorded and we've got mutiple recordings with admitting they sold us a product that wouldn't work & that they'd sacked teh sales rep
[13:41] <Myrtti> mind you, the discussion forum does have traffic instead of being stagnant
[13:41] <diplo> heh we were employing the guy who sold us it and it still went to court
[13:41] <DJones> Ouch
[13:41] <diplo> Yep, these people don't like giving up ( well this compnay )
[13:42] <Myrtti> that didn't make much sense
[13:42] <diplo> I use GoDaddy atm Myrtti as I said it's cheaper, hosted in the EU
[13:43] <Myrtti> 2800 registered users, 226688 messages, seven years running
[13:43] <diplo> 2800 registered, but how many active :)
[13:44] <diplo> I've got 400-500 members of my forums, with 10 active now :D
[13:44] <diplo> of=on
[13:45] <Oli> popey (or other EMEA council bod): any news on when the 1st's membership meeting has been postponed to yet?
[13:46] <popey> Oli: uhm. I am not on it anymore, ask czajkowski
[13:46] <Oli> Oh right, my bad. Is that (your not being on it) recent?
[13:47] <popey> fairly, yes
[13:48] <Myrtti> diplo: ask again in a few hours, users are either at work or doing something else important at the moment, the peak comes after six o'clock
[13:48] <Myrtti> diplo: only four at the moment
[13:48] <diplo> heh
[13:49] <diplo> yeah I don't have to watch load anymore, made life a lot easier..
[13:49] <diplo> All because we all got old / had kids / no time.
[13:49] <czajkowski> Oli: just finding out now, we were all at UDS last week.
[13:51] <Oli> czajkowski: Thanks
[13:54] <czajkowski> Oli: we'll contact the applicants when we figure out a day, alternatively you can add your name to the Americas board if that is sooner ok.
[13:55]  * Laney just slipped on a pile of Ubuntu CDs
[14:01] <funkyHat> Ubuntu CDs -- the new bananas?
[14:04]  * Laney writes to hanna barbera
[14:07] <ali12341> i think it's trying to snow
[14:14] <dwatkins> it can't be that cold, surely?
[14:15] <Myrtti> whoop.
[14:15] <popey> erk
[14:48] <daubers> Afternoon
[14:48] <daubers> Is there a summary of all the big decisions made at UDS somewhere?
[14:48] <MooDoo> how tall are you popey ?
[14:49] <NET||abuse> Hi folks, having a weird time with 11.10, using 11.04 on laptop, and things are great, 11.10 is ok, but got some reaaaly odd stuff
[14:49] <NET||abuse> when you alt-tab you get all the windows of a type up at the same time,
[14:49] <NET||abuse> it's not really very good as it then makes it MORE difficult to switch between windows of that same type wihtout using th emouse
[14:49] <NET||abuse> me == mostlykeyboard guy
[14:50] <NET||abuse> secondly, trying to use the compiz screenshot tool, it's giving the blue overlay for the screenshot selector with the screenshot
[14:51] <NET||abuse> eg.. http://www.ashe-browne.com/tmp/yahoo1.jpg and http://www.ashe-browne.com/tmp/yahoo2.jpg
[14:51] <NET||abuse> You can see yahoo2.jpg has the blueness overlaid on it
[14:51] <NET||abuse> the first is taken with regular PrtScn and cropped in gimp
[14:52] <popey> MooDoo: why?
[14:52] <NET||abuse> popey: he's mesurin yer cofin
[14:52] <MooDoo> popey: lol no saw a pic of the loco council with you and czajkowski just wondering how tall the other chap is :)
[14:53] <MooDoo> http://www.lczajkowski.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/ADBC3AFB97124FD9B528B1AFD3DCC86B-0000314218-0002618905-00800L-FAE48149541D4D81838FDC52CA1684D1.jpg
[14:54] <jussi> that pic popey's eyes are like a devil...
[14:54] <MooDoo> i just want to be the tallest ubuntu user in the world EVER!! :)
[14:55] <mgdm> popey has stolen my tshirt!
[14:55] <hutch> me 2  (I'm only 5'3") What R my chances?
[14:56] <MooDoo> hehe
[14:56] <awilkins> NET||abuse, With the task switcher, you can break into the list of similar windows by using the down arrow, and move between them with side arrows
[14:56] <mgdm> http://twitpic.com/68x23y <-- me in same tshirt
[14:57] <MooDoo> mgdm: hmmm why is popey wearing your clothes?
[14:57] <NET||abuse> anyway, questions, can i configure any of these things?
[14:57] <mgdm> MooDoo: it's worrying
[14:58] <NET||abuse> awilkins: yeh i saw that, but it sucks as a shortcut, the efort required to context shift into alt-tabbing, and then hit down and left right between windows, it's too different
[14:58] <NET||abuse> so it sucks
[14:59] <NET||abuse> To me it feels like an interface getting in the way
[14:59] <hutch> Is there a way to add dash home to cairo docck and remove side bar?
[15:00] <diplo> NET||abuse, One of the reasons I've been trying Gnome3 :)
[15:01] <NET||abuse> diplo: have you got compiz on gnome3 or does it have it's own compositing window decoration?
[15:01] <nymwar> I'm using Gnome shell on 11.10
[15:01] <diplo> MetacityI belive
[15:01] <diplo> Same here nymwar
[15:01] <nymwar> AFAIK it doesn't use compiz
[15:01] <diplo> Metacity
[15:01] <NET||abuse> hmm, anyway, issue at hand is i like the quick box selection in compiz screenshot
[15:02] <NET||abuse> but it's giving me that blue colour
[15:02] <hutch> compiz and metacity are differen't aren't they?
[15:02] <NET||abuse> there's no options to turn off that blue overlay colour it uses in the ccsm config tool
[15:02] <diplo> yeah
[15:02] <NET||abuse> hutch: they have some kind of seperation of roles yeh
[15:03] <diplo> Seems it's replaced by Mutter not metacity
[15:03] <hutch> k
[15:03] <diplo> ah, Mutter = Metacity+Clutter :)
[15:03] <ali12341> NET||abuse: that's a known bug/race condition
[15:04] <NET||abuse> ali12341: ah, so no fix currently?
[15:04] <ali12341> the overlaw box doesn't disappear fast enough before the screenshot is taken, because for some reason copiz unity goes *really* slow on oneiric
[15:04] <hutch> I'm waiting for mint to come out to try Gnome 3 alongside ubuntu
[15:04] <NET||abuse> ali12341: really, wow, that sucks,
[15:04] <NET||abuse> come on Canonical, get your shiiiiiii....p in order
[15:05]  * NET||abuse forgot i have backspace
[15:06] <ali12341> dragging windows between desktops is painful
[15:06] <nymwar> agree
[15:06] <ali12341> redraws about 1 frame per second, tries to snap to everything or half miximize
[15:07] <ali12341> it wouldn't be so bad if the window placement was sensible or if it was possible to open windows when something is fullsreen on the left monitor
[15:07] <nymwar> I think there's still some way to go before Unity is really usable
[15:07] <hamitron> hopefully 5 months
[15:07] <hamitron> ;)
[15:07] <NET||abuse> it's usable, just has some,      character, yeh that's it
[15:08] <hutch> lol
[15:08] <ali12341> it's usable if you have infinite patience
[15:08] <hamitron> for someone with very little, that counts me out :/
[15:08] <ali12341> it gets frustrating when you are trying to do something on a deadline though
[15:09] <nymwar> My gripes would be: easy ability to disable global menu, better workspace management, ability to change the position of the dock
[15:09] <hamitron> I think I will find Unity better than expected
[15:10] <hamitron> I've heard so much against it, I'm expecting the worst when I switch ;)
[15:10] <nymwar> there also seems to be a tendency for things to maximize involuntarily
[15:10] <hutch> I want to add dash home to cairo dock and remove side bar but can't move dash yet
[15:10] <ali12341> it has started hiding fullscreen windows now for somer eason
[15:10] <ali12341> never seen that before
[15:10] <hamitron> :/
[15:18] <directhex> i'm trying the wife on gnome shell.
[15:20] <KrisDouglas> Hello
[15:20] <KrisDouglas> I've switched to Unity 2D (on an NVidia 9600GT 1GB w/ binary drivers) and the system is about 80% faster.
[15:21] <KrisDouglas> Im sure this isn't a good thing.
[15:21] <daubers> directhex: You make it sound like a form of medication
[15:21] <directhex> daubers, given her system is an atom netbook, it's more like massochism
[15:22] <mgdm> it didn't work all that well on my netbook
[15:22] <mgdm> the fans spent much of their time on
[15:26] <ali12341> i keep hearing about how compositing desktops are so much faster because they offload work to the GPU
[15:27] <ali12341> but there's one thing a GPU doesn't have and that is process management
[15:27] <ali12341> so as soon as you have more than one thing using it, it grinds to a halt
[15:27] <directhex> aha "don't run a bitcoin miner and fallout 3 at the same time"
[15:27] <directhex> AKA, even
[15:28] <ali12341> more like "don't try to run fallout 3 and compiz at the same time"
[15:29] <ali12341> brb switching to unity2d
[15:29] <Myrtti> oh come on Ubuntu, you can do it, all I did was press page down in my irssi...
[15:30]  * Myrtti kicks the tablet a bit
[15:30] <Myrtti> and now it crashes?
[15:32] <ali1234> this is significantly faster
[15:33] <ali1234> unfortunately there's no panel on the second monitor, so no way to unmaximize windows or access their menus
[15:40] <popey> I played with a demo of unity on 6 screens at UDS
[15:41] <ali1234> this isn't unity this is unity2d
[15:42] <ali1234> need to reboot for updates
[15:43] <hamitron> Dev: "ewwww, 2d, not working on that"
[15:44] <AlanBell> unity2d is really really similar to unity 3d
[15:45] <AlanBell> in fact, I flipped into 2d by accident and it took a couple of days before I bothered to investigate why the grid maximise thing wasn't working
[15:45] <oimon1> is ther a way to get suspend/resume working with nvidia drivers? worked with nouveau 2d drivers but not proprietary ones
[15:46] <Myrtti> is the friday night comedy special BBC4 podcast available only in UK? I think my gpodder is chocking on it
[15:47] <popey> Myrtti: http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/radio4/fricomedy/rss.xml
[15:47] <popey> that one?
[15:48] <Myrtti> looks about right, I got it from gpodder.net, it's quite high on the toplist
[15:51] <MooDoo> christel: you causing netsplit issues again ;)
[15:52] <Myrtti> MooDoo: it seems to have not been limited to freenode only
[15:52] <MooDoo> woohoo :S
[15:52] <Myrtti> atleast foonet and by some rumours efnet were effected as well
[15:53] <Myrtti> so there must have been a great disturbance in the force
[15:55] <Myrtti> oh man, and my unity crashes again. or compiz. or whatever
[15:56] <christel> MooDoo:  http://blog.phyber.com/level3-outage-likely-juniper-bug
[15:56] <christel> ;)
[15:57] <MooDoo> ;)
[16:41] <ali1234> that bunch of updates i just did seems to have really improved the speed problems
[16:42] <ali1234> or maybe it is just because i rebooted
[16:44] <popey> mgdm: threadless have free shipping for orders over 50 USD!
[16:44] <mgdm> popey: !
[16:44] <bigcalm> Oh dear
[16:44] <popey> i just got their spam
[16:44] <popey> very welcome spam it is!
[16:46] <bigcalm> I got Subway spam saying that it was a double points Monday. But didn't get to go because Hayley is off sick :(
[16:46] <mgdm> talking of spam, guess who I still get (unwelcome) spa from?
[16:46] <bigcalm> Still?
[16:46] <mgdm> Yes.
[16:46] <bigcalm> Ugh
[16:46] <bigcalm> popey: did you manage to stop the Adobe spam?
[16:47] <mgdm> I resorted to the MTA
[16:47] <popey> i block that now
[16:47] <bigcalm> mgdm: bounce it back to them?
[16:47] <mgdm> Yeah, I do
[16:48] <mgdm> well, with a 550 'Bog off' type response
[16:48] <bigcalm> :)
[16:48] <bigcalm> popey: so are you working from home full time now?
[16:51] <popey> bigcalm: yes
[16:51] <bigcalm> Aha. You can join us for a workplace day in Wolverhampton on the 17th then ;)
[16:52] <popey> hah
[16:52] <bigcalm> Speaking of which, is davmor2 still alive?
[16:52] <popey> yeah
[16:52] <popey> I met mrs davmor2 too
[16:52] <DJones> popey: Will you get one of the shiny "canonical" cloaks for irc
[16:53] <MooDoo> popey: did you give her a hug for putting up with davmor2 ;)
[16:53] <popey> nah, I'll keep my ubuntu one I reckon
[16:53] <popey> MooDoo: my first words were "oh, I'm sorry"
[16:53] <MooDoo> hehe
[16:54] <bigcalm> :D
[17:01] <mgdm> Am I the only one who thinks this whole Olympic torch relay thing is gigantic waste of time/effort/money/energy/all of the above?
[17:02] <popey> s/torch relay//
[17:02] <bigcalm> Oh you cynic ;)
[17:03] <AlanBell> mgdm: http://twitter.com/#!/grumpygamemaker
[17:03] <mgdm> popey: well, yes, but I was just reading about them taking a burning stick to various bits of the UK
[17:04] <mgdm> AlanBell: hah! Nice :)
[17:05] <bigcalm> AlanBell: you?
[17:05] <AlanBell> I couldn't possibly say
[17:05] <bigcalm> :)
[17:06] <DJones> mgdm:
[17:06] <DJones> https://twitter.com/#!/Queen_UK/status/133542278642937857
[17:06] <mgdm> heheh
[17:10]  * DJones digs out the sat nav & map after hearing that the motorway home has been closed until midnight after a serious accident
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> DJones: google maps \o/
[17:13] <mgdm> DJones: M56?
[17:13] <DJones> Yep
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> looks bad on the googles
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> more north/east than south/westbound though
[17:15] <DJones> Yeah, from what I've heard/read, HGV came off a road going above the M56 & crashed down onto the carriagway, cars then crashed into that, air ambulance in attendance
[17:15] <DJones> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-15628177
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> You're not having a good week on the motorways in England
[17:15] <DJones> I go down that slip road every work day
[17:59] <bigcalm> Can you give a <br /> a class?
[18:08] <mgdm> bigcalm: probably, but... why? :)
[18:09] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jo Shields] Bansheegeddon - http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/398/
[18:14] <bigcalm> mgdm: hide the line break from desktop sites and only show on mobiles
[18:17] <AlanBell> directhex: I suggest you add an item to the community council agenda requesting them to review the way the default apps decision process works
[18:18] <mgdm> bigcalm: Hmm
[18:20] <bigcalm> mgdm: it's a horrible idea I know :)
[18:22] <mgdm> rather :)
[18:24] <bigcalm> Right now I'm trying to work out where about 300px of rhs padding it coming from. Makes the mobile version look silly
[18:24] <mgdm> its' not to do with the viewport size and initial scale and all that?
[18:25] <bigcalm> Newp
[18:25] <bigcalm> The issue is only present on some pages
[18:28] <bigcalm> Found it :)
[18:28]  * bigcalm slaps a position:absolute; element
[18:30] <bigcalm> Just noticed that it's half past home time
[18:50] <Guntorian> hai
[18:50] <Guntorian> anyone here to help me please
[18:50] <AlanBell> hi Guntorian
[18:50] <Guntorian> Hello
[18:50] <Guntorian> I need some help
[18:51] <Guntorian> I got an acer aspire 6935g
[18:51] <Guntorian> and now im setting up a second moniter
[18:51] <Guntorian> apart from the one on the laptop
[18:51] <Guntorian> but im not sue how
[18:51] <Guntorian> sure*
[18:52] <AlanBell> just plug it in, and run the displays application, should be able to arrange them how you want there
[18:52] <AlanBell> is it Ubuntu 11.10?
[18:52] <Guntorian> yes
[18:52] <Guntorian> it doesnt seem to be finding it
[18:53] <Guntorian> when I started up the laptop and has to pick windows or ubuntu it showed
[18:53] <Guntorian> but once ubuntu started it hasnt worked
[18:54] <Guntorian> hello?
[18:54] <AlanBell> just researching it a bit . . .
[18:55] <Guntorian> ok np
[18:55] <AlanBell> got any keyboard shortcuts like fn+f5 to turn it on?
[18:56] <Guntorian> lemme try ( my internal keyboard is abit broken
[18:58] <Guntorian> it worked
[18:59] <Guntorian> but it came on
[18:59] <Guntorian> and went off
[18:59] <Guntorian> but now the led is blue not yellow of the monitor
[19:00] <Guntorian> if I unplug the vga and put it back in the monitor comes on for like 1 second
[19:00] <Guntorian> ._.
[19:05] <AlanBell> is it perhaps set to a resolution the monitor can't support?
[19:06] <AlanBell> gone!
[19:17] <celesteh> hello, i am trying to install the remix os, which is an ubuntu fork
[19:18] <celesteh> the download link on the official looking website links to a webpage that's all in russian and it seems a bit dodgy
[19:18] <AlanBell> err, don't do that then
[19:19] <celesteh> i guess there's not an easy way to tell if the site has been hacked?
[19:20] <directhex> you'd need to ask the creators of that distribution
[19:21] <celesteh> Are the on freenode?
[19:22] <AlanBell> I have never heard of the distribution
[19:22] <celesteh> i just got a new computer (switching from mac) and wanted to run puredyne, but that distro is too old for a new laptop
[19:22]  * AlanBell has never heard of that either
[19:23] <AlanBell> if you have any Ubuntu questions we might be able to help :)
[19:23] <celesteh> i tried ubuntu studio earlier, but it seems to be mostly aimed at video and not audio
[19:23] <celesteh> they're ubuntu forks. sorry, for being offtopic
[19:24] <celesteh> it's my understanding that ubuntu cannot deal with real-time audio production without changing the kernel because it glitches?
[19:26] <BigRedS> yeah, there was a real-time kernel I thought?
[19:26] <mgdm> celesteh: depends what you're trying to do
[19:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> WOW - Look at this graph of a hdd price: http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CamelEgg1.png
[19:26] <celesteh> supercollider and ardour, mostly
[19:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Apparently it will get worse too: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/103711-hdd-pricewatch-you-know-where-its-going-we-tell-you-how-much-its-going-to-hurt
[19:28] <AlanBell> what is happening to SSD prices?
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> not much change
[19:28] <AlanBell> oh, last paragraph, not much
[19:28] <daubers> Evening
[19:30] <bigcalm> Morning
[19:31] <celesteh> so where / how do i get a real time kernel?  (sorry for being a noob)
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> celesteh: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel
[19:32] <celesteh> ta, checking that out
[19:42] <awilkins> SSD prices are dropping a bit
[19:43] <awilkins> And with the HD price going up, the sweetspot price for a HD (GB / £) will now buy you a reasonably sized SSD
[19:44] <awilkins> No good for mass media storage but 128GB SSDs are practical for system drives (even for Windows)
[19:56] <daubers> awilkins: I wouldn't expect ssds to stay as they are for long. I'd expect them to go up a little bit if anything
[19:57] <awilkins> daubers, Yeah. Someone will go "hey, people are still willing to overpay for storage..."
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> this might be a trigger for SSD adoption
[19:57] <Guntorian> Is anyone here to help me set up my dual monitor
[19:57] <daubers> awilkins: That or the demand for them goes up and they won't be able to meet it (which is industry prediction at the moment)
[19:57] <awilkins> Arsebiscuits
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> if you need storage, by now, or wait until next July
[19:58] <awilkins> I'll probably wait
[19:58] <daubers> or buy last week and sell now
[19:58] <Guntorian> hello?
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I'll get my Delorean
[19:58] <daubers> Guntorian: Sorry, I only have a single monitor setup
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> daubers: though I could probably fit more shipping containers in a TARDIS
[19:59] <Guntorian> anyone?
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: please just explain the problem
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: if anyone thinks they can help they will
[20:00] <Guntorian> ok
[20:00] <Guntorian> I got an acer aspire 6935g
[20:00] <Guntorian> and now I set up a monitor to it
[20:00] <Guntorian> the Hyundai l91A
[20:01] <Guntorian> and its not recognising it
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> what kind of graphics card does it have/
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> Intel? Nvidia? At?
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> ati?
[20:01] <Guntorian> nvidia
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: some NVidia cards only recognise external monitors if they're connected before the machine is started
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: also, you need to use the nvidia-settings tool
[20:02] <Guntorian> the monitor was connected b4
[20:02] <Guntorian> how do I use that
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaMultiMonitors
[20:04] <Guntorian> I already have recommended installed
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: that second page explains how to set up a multi-monitor setup
[20:06] <Guntorian> ok
[20:06] <Guntorian> I got to the nvidia place
[20:06] <Guntorian> but I got one problem
[20:06] <Guntorian> what is twin monitor or seperate x screen
[20:06] <_jane> wg
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: it's explained on the web page
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaMultiMonitors#Differences
[20:08] <Guntorian> im not understand seperate x screen
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: it allows you to run two completely separate desktops (programs can't move from one screen to the other)
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: it's probably not what you want
[20:09] <Guntorian> oh thanks
[20:10] <Guntorian> when I hit apply it only works for 1 second
[20:13] <Guntorian> hmm?
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: I don't know anything about nvidia drivers
[20:13] <Guntorian> uhh
[20:14] <Guntorian> omg ._>
[20:14] <Guntorian> it like comes on for 1 second
[20:14] <Guntorian> then leaves
[20:14] <Guntorian> not even windows has this problem usually
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> well nvidia + linux isn't the best combo ever
[20:15] <Guntorian> I noticed
[20:16] <Guntorian> brb
[20:23] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: as far as I know nvidia proprietary drivers are the best drivers right now
[20:23] <Azelphur> second to probably the open source ati drivers
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: For some things (3d) yes
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: for other things (randr) no
[20:24] <Pernig> my computer is too loud with nouveau drivers :P
[20:24] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:25] <ali1234> xrandr is almost completely useless
[20:25] <mgdm> I've never had an Ubuntu release where the applet for changing the monitor layout has worked, I've always had to use the xrandr command from the CLI
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: except when you connect a second screen and need to configure it
[20:25] <mgdm> the applet freezes X
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: weird, it's worked for me on ATI and Intel for years
[20:26] <mgdm> Both the laptops affected have ATI chips
[20:26] <mgdm> there were bugs filed by other people, I'm not sure if they got looked at
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> free or proprietary drivers
[20:26] <mgdm> I tried both until I decided just to live with the xrandr command
[20:28] <ali1234> unless you are using nvidia, then you use nvidia-settings and it is a lot more likely to work properly than xrandr
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: except not
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: the number of people I've had to help because they couldn't get their nvidia laptops to use the projector
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> Intel > * on Linux
[20:30] <ali1234> that's great for laptops
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> (in terms of support, not in terms of 3D speed or anything)
[20:30] <ali1234> but who uses those?
[20:30] <AlanBell> intel kind of just works for me, but occasionally decides that I want to mirror displays
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: Everyone.
[20:31] <ali1234> they don't just randomly pick what to support
[20:31]  * MartijnVdS hands AlanBell the fillet knife, to fillet a bug
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: NVidia does.
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: "If it's older than 2 years you're SOL"
[20:31] <ali1234> they support the things that most people want
[20:32] <ali1234> such as proper 3d acceleration and easy dual head support
[20:32] <ali1234> the only thing intel has going to it is open drivers that don't crash and low power usage
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> and don't make users cry when connecting to a projector ;)
[20:33] <ali1234> yeah... as long as the width of projector + width of internal display < 2048
[20:33] <ali1234> not that it will tell you this... it just fails to work
[20:34] <AlanBell> only if the max texture size is 2048, which it is on some atom chipsets
[20:34] <ali1234> or does something random like set the internal and external displays to mirror and also be 320x240
[20:34] <AlanBell> and if it is then it should fall back to 2d mode
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> I've heard they fixed that
[20:34] <ali1234> crashing compiz in the process?
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> and made it 4096?
[20:35] <ali1234> it is a hardware limitation
[20:35] <ali1234> maybe they fixed it in newer chipsets
[20:35] <ali1234> doesn't help me much though
[20:35] <ali1234> otoh nvidia dual head works flawlessly
[20:35] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: they fixed compiz starting to run if the screen size was equal to max texture size
[20:35]  * AlanBell has a 2048px wide monitor
[20:36] <AlanBell> newer chipsets have a much wider max texture size
[20:47]  * MartijnVdS can't wait for Ivy Bridge
[20:50] <Pernig> hopefully the motherboards won't get recalled this time
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> they won't make the same mistake twice
[20:52] <BigRedS> they might make a different one :)
[20:52] <BigRedS> Oh, MartijnVdS you're perly. you coming to the LPW this weekend?
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> No
[20:54] <BigRedS> ah, fair enough
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> already went to YAPC::EU and $boss won't pay for both
[20:55] <BigRedS> I was hoping for more face-to-name links
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> I'll probably be at FOSDEM
[22:09] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] Active Traffic Management - http://zrmt.com/2011/11/07/active-traffic-management-2/
[23:10]  * popey pokes AlanBell 
[23:10] <popey> I'll delete the page I made then
[23:12] <AlanBell> so multiple people can make the same page?
[23:12]  * AlanBell just made +ubuntu
[23:12] <popey> fool
[23:12] <popey> jono already made one
[23:13] <AlanBell> yeah
[23:13] <popey> probably best to check first
[23:13] <AlanBell> I just wanted to find out what happened if you create a page that is already taken, didn't expect it to work
[23:13] <AlanBell> was expecting an interesting error message
[23:14] <popey> right, deleted the ubuntu-uk one I made
[23:14] <popey> (two hours ago)
[23:16] <AlanBell> sorry, I was travelling :)
[23:16] <popey> I'd remove the ubuntu one to reduce confusion
[23:19] <AlanBell> done
[23:23] <celesteh> hello, i'm wondering how do i tell if I should install the 64-bit (AMD) kernel or the other one?
[23:24] <hamitron> do you know what cpu you have?
[23:24] <hamitron> and how much memory
[23:26] <celesteh> it's a new machine (and I'm new to ubuntu, so i know it has 8 gigs of ram, but i don't remember what processor it has. I've booted the ubuntu live cd. is there a command someplace that prints out this information?
[23:27] <hamitron> then you will want the AMD64 version
[23:27] <mgdm> celesteh: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[23:29] <celesteh> how do i open the terminal? (sorry, i don't see it on the sidebar)
[23:30] <celesteh> ah, found it
[23:32] <celesteh> what, in particular, ami looking for in that information?
[23:33] <celesteh> it's an intel. is the 64 bit for AMD only?
[23:36] <hamitron> celesteh, no, AMD made the standard
[23:41] <AlanBell> https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/110834053865602900585/110834053865602900585/posts G+ page for the UK team I think
[23:41] <popey> AlanBell: seen the epic fail on linux format cover?
[23:41] <popey> that url doesn't look right
[23:42] <popey> http://www.hudzilla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=102685
[23:42] <popey> https://plus.google.com/u/0/110834053865602900585/posts
[23:42] <popey> cover of linux format has a headline about women in linux, and uses "XY.org" as a headline
[23:43] <AlanBell> genetics fail
[23:43]  * hamitron got bored with LXF
[23:44] <hamitron> decided to buy a few good books, rather than spend £60
[23:44] <hamitron> has it improved since?
[23:45] <hamitron> since 2006 I mean
[23:45] <hamitron> ;/
[23:45] <popey> conversely this latest issue of Computer Active has 40 pages about Ubuntu in it
[23:45] <hamitron> prob more than Linux Format :/
[23:46] <popey> hah
[23:46] <hamitron> tbh, it wasn't a bad read that bugged me
[23:46] <hamitron> jsut the huge cost, and them tutorials always left me wanting more
[23:47] <hamitron> so had to go buy books anyway :/
[23:47] <celesteh> hamitron: ta!
[23:48] <hamitron> np :)