[01:20] <Faqtotum> well, on unity now
[01:21] <Faqtotum> is there a way to make the launcher smaller?
[01:24] <philipballew> Faqtotum, yeah. with ccsm
[01:25] <philipballew> in ccsm you can chick on the unity plugin and change the size
[01:25] <philipballew> this is a cool thing i found yesterday to http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/how-to-move-unity-launcher-to-bottom-of.html thats a nice hack
[01:30] <Faqtotum> that hack is only for the 32bit edition
[01:30] <philipballew> ah, yeah. I assume that will be fixed soon enough.
[01:30] <philipballew> i was unaware your version :)
[01:35] <bkerensa> philipballew: I followed up with the Asst Professor at WOU and told her I would provide any resources I have available to me and mentor as needed
[01:36] <philipballew> nice! bkerensa yeah, when she said she was from organ i know who to tell :)
[01:38] <bkerensa> philipballew: Yeah surprised she didnt ping someone at OSU since she is working on a PhD there
[01:38] <bkerensa> :P
[01:38] <bkerensa> OSU OSL = Kernel.org and every major FOSS project
[01:38] <bkerensa> :P
[01:38] <philipballew> thats what i thought after the fact, but who knows I guess
[02:00] <MarkDude> So meeting tonight?
[02:09] <jtatum> yes MarkDude :)
[02:58] <Darkwing> hey guys. give me like 5 minutes before I kick this thing in motion.
[02:59] <jtatum> ok
[03:00] <iheartubuntu> no prob! hello to all
[03:01] <philipballew> hello
[03:02] <jtatum> hello
[03:04] <Darkwing> Hey guys!
[03:04] <akk> hi
[03:04] <Darkwing> Sorry, had to go dig my laptop and power out of my suitcase.
[03:04] <Darkwing> Still have not unpacked from UDS D
[03:04] <Darkwing> :D
[03:05] <Darkwing> Anyway, who is here for a meeting?
[03:05] <akk> o/
[03:06] <Darkwing> Tonights agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11November06
[03:06] <iheartubuntu> here
[03:06] <Darkwing> Awesome
[03:06] <Darkwing> CA team game night discussion
[03:06] <Darkwing> I think this was yours iheartubuntu?
[03:07] <iheartubuntu> yes
[03:07] <iheartubuntu> still working on game night ideas
[03:07] <Darkwing> Take it away :)
[03:07] <iheartubuntu> are there any particular games people are interested in? board games? first person shooters?
[03:07] <iheartubuntu> im mainly concerned with including everyone and gals my not be into FPS
[03:08] <iheartubuntu> plus they could be heavy on graphics, eliminating some people from playing
[03:08] <iheartubuntu> so finding a multiplayer game for all is the trick
[03:08] <Darkwing> I used to play parcheesi with another group quite a bit.
[03:09] <iheartubuntu> what does anyone have to say about online games from a website? there are many games in the google chrome app store
[03:09] <iheartubuntu> (and most can be played in firefox too)
[03:09] <iheartubuntu> parcheesi is fun. i was even considering bingo
[03:10] <iheartubuntu> does it matter if the game is on a website or must it be in the reps?
[03:10] <akk> I don't know what's available in multiplayer games, so it's hard to comment. i like word/math/logic games.
[03:10] <jtatum> i'd like to try pioneers
[03:10] <jtatum> (settlers of catan clone)
[03:10] <iheartubuntu> is that a turn based strategy?
[03:11] <iheartubuntu> akk i will take that into consideration
[03:11] <Darkwing> scrabble tourny :D
[03:11] <jtatum> iheartubuntu: yeah
[03:11] <iheartubuntu> i think scrabble would be great
[03:12] <iheartubuntu> what about card games?
[03:12] <akk> That would be fun ... though admittedly it would be awfully easy to cheat, if we're all sitting at home with /usr/share/dict/words right there. :)
[03:12] <akk> (re scrabble, not cards)
[03:12] <Darkwing> online spades is always good... or Gim Rummy.
[03:13] <iheartubuntu> ok. i'll see what i can find
[03:13] <akk> poker, playing for stakes of ubuntu CDs and stickers :)
[03:14] <Darkwing> What were you thinking on times?
[03:14] <Darkwing> weekends? nights?
[03:14] <iheartubuntu> i was thinking after each team meeting
[03:14] <iheartubuntu> since most of us are around
[03:14] <Darkwing> That would actually be really cool.
[03:15] <akk> That's a good idea ... might even draw more people to the meetings.
[03:15] <iheartubuntu> sunday nights are great. im usually already home (especially when its freezing out)
[03:16] <iheartubuntu> ok im done with this unless anyone wants to add more.
[03:16] <iheartubuntu> i'll have different game options next meeting that ive researched
[03:16] <Darkwing> Sweet!
[03:16] <iheartubuntu> and we can all pick . maybe have a few we can rotate
[03:16] <Darkwing> Okay, Scale10x.
[03:16] <iheartubuntu> i dont want to be losing at scrabble every time
[03:17] <iheartubuntu> :)
[03:17] <Darkwing> With the holidays coming and scale being in January it will come fast.
[03:17] <iheartubuntu> we did awesome this year at SCaLE9x
[03:17] <Darkwing> We will be having a booth and thanks to nhaines we will also have UbuCon again.
[03:17] <iheartubuntu> everyone I met was amazing and i encourage all who have not yet been to SCaLE to go
[03:18] <iheartubuntu> http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale10x
[03:18] <iheartubuntu> and if you can, to help out at the Ubuntu booth too
[03:18] <Darkwing> I talked to canonical this last week and it looks like we will be able to collect a bunch more pressed CDs to hand out as well.
[03:19] <iheartubuntu> Oh great
[03:19] <iheartubuntu> Is there anything new were planning for 10x compared to 9x?
[03:19] <Darkwing> This is the first part of planning on this end.
[03:20] <eps> When is SCALE 10X? I see some things that say Januaru and others that say February
[03:20] <iheartubuntu> January 20-22
[03:20] <eps> Sorry, January
[03:20] <eps> So, Fedora Activity Day is not in February then?
[03:20] <Darkwing> No. Scale is the date that iheartubuntu gave.
[03:21] <iheartubuntu> its all in the link above
[03:21] <Darkwing> Does anyone have any ideas that they would like to see done at Scale seeing that it's the 10 anni?
[03:22] <iheartubuntu> do we get a bigger booth or anything?
[03:22] <iheartubuntu> will canonical be there?
[03:22] <iheartubuntu> will canonical provide some professional ubuntu banners or anything? i liked those orange ones at UDS i saw in the pics
[03:22] <eps> Hmm. I wonder if we can get ten bowling pins that look like Tux?
[03:22] <Darkwing> I don't think that there will be a canonical booth. I think Jono and maybe Jorge Casto will be there.
[03:24] <Darkwing> and a couple of Canonical Server/Cloud/Kernel guys
[03:24] <Darkwing> We have a HUGE Ubuntu banner that Canonical sent and table cloths.
[03:24] <iheartubuntu> beautiful
[03:25] <Darkwing> I like the bowling pins idea.
[03:25] <Darkwing> that would be pretty cool.
[03:25] <Darkwing> I have some books to give away. "Ubuntu for the non geek" I think I have 3 or 4 copies
[03:25] <iheartubuntu> im just thinking in my mind how we can engage people better
[03:26] <Darkwing> So, we can do some sort of drawings/contest
[03:26] <philipballew> We need to get these people to join the loco as well
[03:26] <eps> And a purple, uh, aubergine bowling ball. ;-)
[03:26] <Darkwing> LOL!
[03:26] <iheartubuntu> i like that idea phil
[03:27] <Darkwing> Just keep in mind that Scale is coming up and be thinking about volunteering for the booth and/or any other ideas you want to do while there.
[03:28] <Darkwing> Also, as many of you know there was a change in leadership for the team.
[03:28] <Darkwing> We had all three spots become open and there were three people who ran.
[03:28] <iheartubuntu> win by default :)
[03:29] <Darkwing> pleia2, myself and jtatum
[03:29] <iheartubuntu> congrats to all
[03:29] <Darkwing> So, pleia2 and I are standing a second term and welcome in jtatum to the team!
[03:29]  * jtatum bows
[03:30] <akk> An excellent team.
[03:30] <Darkwing> Does anyone else have anything else? announcements? gripes?
[03:30] <iheartubuntu> im good
[03:31] <Darkwing> UDS was, as always, busy and fun.
[03:31] <iheartubuntu> ohh yes please tell!
[03:31] <Darkwing> Thankfully there was no shocking changes at the keynote.
[03:31] <philipballew> ^ agrees
[03:32] <Darkwing> There is a huge push toward ARM
[03:32] <Darkwing> and with the announcement of the ARM 64bit prototype being demoed... This is a good thing.
[03:33] <Darkwing> Also, Ubuntu heading toward devices. Tablets, phones, TVs, seems to be another point of intrest.
[03:33] <Darkwing> Anyone else?
[03:33] <jtatum> did you wind up with a bunch of action items, Darkwing? :)
[03:34] <Darkwing> jtatum: Yeah, mostly to do with being on the Kubuntu Counil. LOL
[03:34] <jtatum> fun. good luck :)
[03:34] <Darkwing> Always fun :)
[03:35] <iheartubuntu> is there a xubuntu council? im loving the new xubuntu
[03:35] <Darkwing> You would have to talk to pleia2 about that.
[03:35] <Darkwing> I'm not sure.
[03:36] <Darkwing> Okay, if there is nothing else, thanks for coming out!
[03:36] <Darkwing> Does anyone in here use Cone email?
[03:36] <jtatum> thanks for chairing, Darkwing
[03:36] <Darkwing> :) Cheers!
[03:37] <iheartubuntu> cone?
[03:37] <iheartubuntu> whats cone
[03:37] <Darkwing> It's a CLI email client
[03:38] <akk> I'd never heard of cone before. Is it good?
[03:38] <philipballew> Ive used pine
[03:39] <akk> I use mutt, but there are some frustrating things about it and sometimes I'd like to find something else.
[03:39] <Darkwing> It's great except, I am having issues finding out how to set the default "From" header. I can edit it on the fly when I need to
[03:39] <Darkwing> I like cone much better then mutt. simplier to setup my IMAP with like 30 folders
[03:39] <Darkwing> AKA it auto setup
[03:40] <akk> Yeah, mutt's imap handling isn't very good.
[03:40] <iheartubuntu> hey i got my hands on an old 1997 mac powerbook 3400c... any recommendations for what i can install on it?
[03:40] <akk> I mostly use fetchmail and local folders, but I have used imap at times.
[03:40] <Darkwing> and it handles Certs and encryption very nicely
[03:41] <Darkwing> And SSL for SMTP and IMAPS
[03:41] <akk> My biggest mutt frustration is the whole "which folders have new mail" thing, the way it's the only program in all of linux that needs atime.
[03:42] <akk> yeah, ssl/smtp would be nice -- I have to use msmtp since mutt doesn't do that.
[03:42] <Darkwing> akk: Try Cone, I think you'll like it.
[03:42] <akk> Thanks, will try it.
[03:42] <Darkwing> apt-get install cone
[03:43] <philipballew> Darkwing, I have a good idea for the UH that I was gonna fly by you
[03:43] <Darkwing> Go for it
[03:43] <philipballew> Movie night with Linux and computer themed movies
[03:44] <iheartubuntu> are there any linux movies?
[03:44] <philipballew> We can use the coffee shop and attract people say a Saturday or at the regularly scheduled time
[03:45] <philipballew> yes, I located several linux movies
[03:46] <Darkwing> Linux movies not named Hackers? :P:P
[03:46] <Darkwing> and/or Tron?
[03:46] <philipballew> exactly!
[03:46] <duke_tim> Tron legacy has a linux terminal in the movie does that count?
[03:47] <Darkwing> :D
[03:47] <philipballew> what do you think Darkwing ?
[03:47] <iheartubuntu> there was a good computer hacker sorta movie in the early 90s.. forgot the name. i think robert redford was in it
[03:48] <akk> La Femme Nikita has an episode where the computer guy uses ps and kill to stop the bad guys from firing missiles. :)
[03:48] <akk> iheartubuntu: Sneakers, I think?
[03:48] <Darkwing> philipballew: I like the idea but, it would have to be at someones house and very personal to be legal.
[03:48] <iheartubuntu> ohh that sounds like what i was thinking. i dont remember if it was computers tho
[03:48] <philipballew> the coffee shop we use has a protector and screen.
[03:49] <iheartubuntu> sneakers = "lighthearted thriller about computers and cryptography"
[03:49] <philipballew> I can reserve a time slot
[03:50] <jtatum> sneakers was awesome :)
[03:50] <iheartubuntu> i havent seen it in years
[03:51] <iheartubuntu> i remember buying the vhs from columbia house for 1 penny or something
[03:51] <Darkwing> philipballew: Yes, but unless we had permissions by the film people, we cannot legally show a flim in public
[03:52] <philipballew> uh, thats right. I'll look into that.
[03:52] <iheartubuntu> i think you can if its not for money
[03:52] <iheartubuntu> fair use or something?
[03:53] <iheartubuntu> churches do it alllll the time
[03:53] <iheartubuntu> even my city does it
[03:53] <philipballew> also, I was going to go around town and put up flayers everywhere. Several hundred by Christmas
[03:53] <philipballew> Auburn does as well
[03:53] <Darkwing> :)
[03:53] <iheartubuntu> keeping someone for two hours might be tricky though
[03:54] <Darkwing> Awesome. I'll be back in a few. Going to shutdown quassel-core and switch back to irssi
[04:03] <Darkwing> hmmz... Maybe not... QuasselDroid is nice.
[04:31] <akk> So Darkwing, do you know of a way to get cone not to change the background color? This black background stuff is driving me crazy before I even manage to configure a mail account.
[04:32] <Darkwing> XD akk not really sure :(
[04:32] <Darkwing> akk: http://www.courier-mta.org/cone/cone00index.html
[04:33] <akk> cone turns out to be not a very googlable name, especially when googling for info about color (cones being the cells in the retina that let us see colors ...)
[04:33] <Darkwing> TONS of options
[04:33] <Darkwing> Yeah... Googleing cone is kinda harsh
[04:33] <akk> yeah, I've been trying to look through the docs, but http://www.courier-mta.org/cone/cone05setup.html just says "The next group of fields set the shown colors for other display elements." ... not very illuminating.
[04:34] <akk> Part of the point of using a text-mode mailer, to me, is that I can use my already nicely configured terminal fonts/colors.
[04:34] <akk> Always seems weird when text-mode programs then disallow that.
[06:35] <nhaines> akgraner: what background color do you prefer?
[08:16] <pleia2> there is no xubuntu council, just an xubuntu project lead
[08:16] <pleia2> xubuntu is a very small team, if there was a council it would be made up of about half the active members ;)
[08:16] <pleia2> we're still considering it for when the project grows though
[08:17]  * pleia2 sleep &
[08:20] <philipballew> there is a community head though
[15:01] <akgraner> nhaines, for?
[16:45] <nhaines> akgraner: for mistells!  Sorry, akk was saying she was fighting some console mail app or other over the colors.
[16:45] <nhaines> Hmm, I should probably investigate alpine again.  (pine was the first program I used under Linux.)
[16:46] <akk> d uses pine, but I never got it configured to where I could stand it. I think forcing color was a problem with it too.
[16:46] <akk> Can't imagine why anyone would think that was a good thing to do in a text-mode app.
[16:48] <Faqtotum> i never used pine under gnu/linux, only hp/ux
[16:50] <akk> I used zmail on other unices, and miss it ... and it's finally been opensourced (a few years ago) but it doesn't work right on linux.
[16:51] <akk> Some day I'll find time to fix the problems and make it work ... it was a great text-mode and curses-mode mailer.
[16:54] <Faqtotum> when i used pine (circa 1995) the only other way to read mail to my dgimpe01@ccsf.cc.ca.us address was elm
[16:55] <akk> Why do spammers send N msgs/day, every day, to the SAME MAILING LIST? Wishing mailman had content filters, not just sender.
[16:56] <Faqtotum> if you host the postfix/whatever and not just mailman, there is spamassassin
[17:01] <akk> This list is on a hosting service, alas. But I haven't had much luck with content filters in spamassassin either; I end up having to add a lot of keywords in procmail filters for things spamassassin doesn't catch.
[17:12] <Faqtotum> akk: http://www.jcdigita.com/eximconfig/
[17:57] <bkerensa> pleia2: Do you know the url path for meetingology minutes? I need to grab our minutes from last meeting so I can port to a wiki
[17:59] <pleia2> bkerensa: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/
[17:59] <bkerensa> pleia2: Thanks! :)
[17:59] <pleia2> sure
[20:28] <BotenAnna> cat pictures http://i.imgur.com/DrRNP.jpg
[20:29] <Faqtotum> one picture, singular
[20:29] <Faqtotum> multiple cats
[20:45] <BotenAnna> some dog to balance things out http://i.imgur.com/KOyPi.jpg
[21:12] <bkerensa> pleia2: G+ opened pages
[21:12] <bkerensa> https://plus.google.com/u/0/103209052804909343382/posts
[21:12] <bkerensa> Ubuntu Oregon is first G+ Page related to Ubuntu :P
[21:29]  * MarkDude bows to bkerensa . Fedora is still trying to figure if a person made one yet, or not
[21:29] <bkerensa> MarkDude: I made +Linux
[21:29] <bkerensa> https://plus.google.com/u/0/108734178838301503131/posts
[21:29] <bkerensa> :P
[21:30] <MarkDude> If the bot had a quote database, I would add bkerensa> MarkDude: I made +Linux
[21:30] <bkerensa> lol
[21:30] <MarkDude> taken out of context that sounds rather bold
[21:31] <akk> ooh, just wait 'til they notice it's not a real name and start demanding government ID ...
[21:31]  * bkerensa pinged Linus Torvalds and Linux Foundation
[21:31]  * bkerensa just grabbed it so some bot doesnt use it to spam people
[21:31] <MarkDude> akk - yes the whole name thing
[21:32]  * MarkDude was surprised to see Skud changed her name to Alex Bayely dut to G+ name fiasco
[21:32] <akk> Heh, I hadn't seen that (haven't had time to keep up lately).
[21:32] <MarkDude> http://infotrope.net/2011/09/20/announcement-i%E2%80%99ve-changed-my-name-to-alex-bayley/
[21:33] <akk> oh, wow, a legal name change?
[21:33] <MarkDude> For those that dont know G+ made folks use real names. And Skud could not go by Skud, even tho most folks know her by that name , not her given name
[21:33] <jtatum> https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/115811757598772547455/115811757598772547455/posts
[21:34] <pleia2> jtatum: doh, we both created california pages
[21:34] <jtatum> lol
[21:34] <jtatum> now to figure out how to delete a page :)
[21:34] <akk> She's worried about having to spell firstnames for people, then she chooses Bayley as the lastname?
[21:34] <MarkDude> Dueling pages?
[21:34] <MarkDude> akk lol
[21:34] <MarkDude> Did not think about that
[21:34]  * MarkDude actually did consider legally changing name to dude
[21:34] <MarkDude> Like honestly
[21:35] <MarkDude> And would let friends call me mark, but make people it would bug call me Dude, and show ID if they refused :D
[21:35] <jtatum> ah, there it is
[21:35] <jtatum> pleia2: i'll just delete this one
[21:36] <pleia2> jtatum: sorry, I'm trying to figure out how to add other admins now, wanting to link this one to the california gmail account
[21:36] <akk> Just saw a (really bad) movie about a guy who wanted to be called The Dude, "The Big Lebowski"
[21:36] <jtatum> pleia2: under the dropdown where it says "1 page", you can manage from there
[21:37] <pleia2> hmm
[21:37] <pleia2> I'm already in the management interface, but I can't find how to add other people
[21:37] <Faqtotum> if facebook requires real names, it would make sense for g+ to do the same
[21:37] <jtatum> ah gotchya
[21:39] <pleia2> "Multiple administrator support is promised in the near future"
[21:39] <pleia2> heh
[21:39] <pleia2> well, I handle the other social media stuff anyway with iheartubuntu, so I guess it's not a big deal
[21:42] <MarkDude> akk that is the best movie
[21:42] <MarkDude> OMG, I finally think I have found sumthin' akk is actually wrong about. I never thought I would see it.
[21:43] <MarkDude> I mean that movie inpsired a sorta religion, on par with Flying Spaghetti Monster http://dudeism.com/