[00:01] <rick_h> Blazeix: yea, same here
[00:01] <rick_h> brousch: lol I saw that and thought it was kind of funny
[00:24] <snap-l> jrwren: http://www.archive.org/details/Rachmaninoff-PaganiniRhapsodyrachmaninoff
[00:24] <snap-l> Actually sounds better to my ears than the "pro recording"
[00:24] <snap-l> http://www.amazon.com/Rachmaninoff-Plays-Piano-Concertos/dp/B000003FGS/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
[00:25] <snap-l> http://www.archive.org/details/RachmaninoffConcertoNo.4
[00:43] <rick_h> downloading ubuntu for the reinstall. So long arch
[00:53] <snap-l> yey?
[00:53] <rick_h> heh
[00:54] <snap-l> Just re-bought the third version of Dragon's Lair. This one is on the Wii.
[00:54] <rick_h> wii!
[00:54] <snap-l> As opposed to the DVD version, and the 3DO version
[01:41] <brousch> i just spent 1.5 hours in the bathroom convincing my son to poop
[01:46] <rick_h> woo!
[01:46] <rick_h> success?
[01:46] <snap-l> That's one they dont tell you in parenting class.
[01:46] <jjesse> evening
[01:47]  * snap-l just finished an interview with the band Carthasy.
[01:47] <rick_h> nice
[01:47] <snap-l> rick_h: I think you'd really like this band.
[01:47] <rick_h> yea? is that the stuff above?
[01:47] <rick_h> linky linky
[01:47] <snap-l> no. Here's their EP
[01:48] <rick_h> first time I think you've said that so I'm overly curious now
[01:48] <snap-l> http://carthasy.bandcamp.com/
[01:48] <snap-l> They remind me of A PErfect Circle
[01:52] <gamerchick02> hey, i'm still here. :)
[01:53] <snap-l> howdy!
[01:53] <gamerchick02> :) masterpiece contemporary is due to start soon but i can chat and watch at the same time
[01:53] <rick_h> coolio
[01:54] <rick_h> anyone need a desk?
[01:54] <rick_h> that's the problem with reorg...wtf to do with the rest of the stuff
[01:54] <gamerchick02> need a desk? I have a desk... well. yeah.
[01:55] <gamerchick02> i have a desk coming. to my apartment. it's my writing desk but it can be used for a computer.
[02:00] <snap-l> So, let's get started with the meeting
[02:00] <jjesse> we have a meeting?
[02:00] <rick_h> oh, coolio I'm in time for it
[02:01] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/83/detail/
[02:01] <snap-l> There's not much to really go over
[02:02] <snap-l> First off, who all is here for the meeting?
[02:02] <snap-l> o/
[02:02] <jjesse> me
[02:02] <rick_h> I'm going to need more wine for this me thinks
[02:02] <snap-l> heh
[02:03] <snap-l> Oh c'mon, it's not that bad. :)
[02:03] <snap-l> First order of business, we're a re-approved loco
[02:03] <jjesse> yay
[02:03] <snap-l> so give yourselfes a round of applause for being awesome
[02:04] <gamerchick02> yay!!!
[02:04] <snap-l> Hopefully we can continue to keep the awesome going for when we're reapproved in 2013
[02:04]  * gamerchick02 does a funky dance
[02:04] <gamerchick02> i'm sure we will be able to
[02:04] <snap-l> I'm getting pretty excited for this cycle. Should be a good one.
[02:05] <snap-l> Wondering if we could do a few jams in the interim (maybe online, or in person)
[02:05] <rick_h> +1
[02:05] <gamerchick02> that'd be fun
[02:05] <snap-l> we have a little time to plan for that. I know the holiday times can be a little hectic for everyone
[02:05] <snap-l> but keep that in the back of your minds
[02:05] <gamerchick02> eeee! i forgot about the holidays
[02:06] <snap-l> gamerchick02: Meijer will not let you forget.
[02:06] <gamerchick02> and i've got a Circus coming up in February.
[02:06] <snap-l> Believe me.
[02:06] <gamerchick02> snap-l neither will the mall. *le sigh*
[02:06]  * snap-l runs off to join said circus.
[02:06] <snap-l> Anywho...
[02:06] <gamerchick02> oooh, i think you'd fit in. can you herd tigers? ;)
[02:06] <snap-l> I juggle
[02:07] <gamerchick02> oooh. there we have it.
[02:07]  * gamerchick02 derails meeting
[02:07] <snap-l> that's how I met JoDee. :)
[02:07] <snap-l> but that's another topic for another time
[02:07] <snap-l> Any other thoughts on reapproval?
[02:07] <snap-l> Going in 3...
[02:08] <snap-l> 2...
[02:08] <snap-l> 1...
[02:08] <snap-l> OK, next topic: CDs
[02:08] <rick_h> just thanks greg-g snap-l and brousch for making that happen
[02:08] <rick_h> really, they're the heros of the reapproval
[02:08] <snap-l> Yes, most definitely
[02:08] <snap-l> Thanks to greg-g for leadership, and brousch for really making the west side happen
[02:09] <snap-l> I think that really impressed the council that we had a strong west-side contingent
[02:09] <snap-l> I'd really love to branch out to mid-Michigan and the UP as well
[02:09] <gamerchick02> yes they are
[02:09] <snap-l> Thank you. :)
[02:09] <gamerchick02> oooh. too bad i've moved from MidMI, or I'd spearhead that.
[02:10] <gamerchick02> what about a Northern Detroit-ish group. is there anyone from the Auburn Hills/Pontiac/Rochester Hills area?
[02:10] <snap-l> I think the next time that mydogsnameisrudy is on, we should ask if he'd be interested in getting the UP representin'
[02:10] <gamerchick02> besides me, i mean.
[02:10] <snap-l> I think there's some folks out that way
[02:11] <gamerchick02> it'd be fun to have a meetup in da UP.
[02:11] <gamerchick02> good reason to go up north.
[02:11] <snap-l> Though we usually just tell them to suck it up and drive. ;)
[02:11] <gamerchick02> eeeee!
[02:11] <gamerchick02> they'd be snowed in half the year. heh.
[02:11] <snap-l> I meant the Rochester Hills folks
[02:12] <snap-l> the UP folks would have to wait for the bridge. ;)
[02:12] <snap-l> and that's no fun
[02:12] <gamerchick02> you're right.
[02:12] <rick_h> yea, there's a few of us, but I think we participate with the south vs our own thing
[02:12] <snap-l> Anywho, on to the CDs.
[02:12] <snap-l> I have them, and I'm motivated to get rid of them
[02:12] <snap-l> (Speaking of JoDee, my lovely wife)
[02:13] <gamerchick02> hehe
[02:13] <gamerchick02> i could take a few and have them at work for people who are interested
[02:13] <snap-l> I'm planning on sending another care-package to brousch for the west siders.
[02:13] <snap-l> If anyone is looking for some, I'll gladly send them
[02:13] <gamerchick02> i've sparked some interest in people who've never tried it before. you only need one hit of this version before you're hooked.
[02:13] <rick_h> gamerchick02: CHC?
[02:14] <snap-l> either hit me up at CHC, MUG, or (if you prefer) I can mail them.
[02:14] <rick_h> can grab some from snap-l  then
[02:14] <rick_h> ah, or MUG
[02:14] <snap-l> Just LMK in advance if you want some, and I'll bring some extras
[02:14] <gamerchick02> rick_h_ yes, but not next week; i have Nile the night before and will be working late on Wednesday
[02:14] <snap-l> If anyone wants me to mail them some, I'd like to do it in batches of 10
[02:14] <gamerchick02> or this coming week, rather. oi
[02:15] <snap-l> (note: I'll be writing this in a mail message as well)
[02:15] <gamerchick02> you can mail them to me once i move and have a permanent address
[02:15] <gamerchick02> or you could send them up to my house
[02:15] <gamerchick02> my mom's house.
[02:15] <snap-l> I'll send them free of charge, but if you'd like to help offset postage, I won't argue with you. :) Just send me ~$5 via paypal.
[02:15] <snap-l> craig@decafbad.net
[02:15] <gamerchick02> that's a good idea.
[02:16] <snap-l> I have Ubuntu 11.10, Kubuntu 11.10, and Server  11.10
[02:16] <snap-l> I'll be bringing some to MUG and CHC this week
[02:16] <snap-l> also am planning on sending some to MDLUG and Washtenaw LUG
[02:17] <snap-l> Again, if you're also interested in them, just let me know which, and I'll send them.
[02:17] <snap-l> Any questions, concerns?
[02:18] <gamerchick02> when is MUG?
[02:18] <snap-l> This Tuesday
[02:18] <snap-l> 6:30pm at the Farmington Hills Library.
[02:18] <snap-l> lmorchard will be there.
[02:18] <snap-l> he's presenting. ;)
[02:18] <gamerchick02> ah, how convenient. i can't skip Nile because, i'm the... uh... Queen. oi.
[02:19] <gamerchick02> that's cool
[02:19] <gamerchick02> too bad I can't go.
[02:19] <snap-l> I'll be bringing CDs with me to most of the events that I'm at
[02:19] <snap-l> so MUG, CHC, etc
[02:19] <gamerchick02> cool.
[02:20] <snap-l> and again, I'll send discs to anyone who wants theom
[02:20] <snap-l> just LMK (craig@decafbad.net)
[02:20] <gamerchick02> if I can make it to a CHC this month (this is a busy month), I'll take you up on the offer.
[02:20] <snap-l> I'm motivated to get them out of the house. ;)
[02:20] <gamerchick02> JoDee doesn't like them?
[02:21] <snap-l> gamerchick02: JoDee sees them as one more thing taking up space in our rather small living establishment.
[02:21] <gamerchick02> ah.
[02:21] <gamerchick02> do you have a box or something?
[02:21] <gamerchick02> i'm not sure about how many you have.
[02:22] <snap-l> Canonical sent a box with a bunch of them in there.
[02:23] <gamerchick02> ah. that's not so bad; if they're all in one box. but i can see you wanting to get rid of them. they're more use to people in their hands than in a box.
[02:23] <snap-l> yep
[02:24] <snap-l> so, any questions about the CDS?
[02:24] <gamerchick02> not really, from this end.
[02:24] <snap-l> I'll send out a note to let folks know how to get their grubby mits on them.
[02:25] <gamerchick02> you know, if the Masonic Center gets internet, i'd be willing to run an Ubuntu Hour or something up there when i'm going to be in town anyway
[02:25] <gamerchick02> i can have my brother handle logistics, and i have keys til March.
[02:25] <snap-l> If you'd like to set something up, that would be pretty cool
[02:25] <gamerchick02> but it depends on how long it takes the Temple Board to move on getting internet. they've said that "dial up is just fine" for now
[02:26] <gamerchick02> i think they are paying out the patoot for AO-Hell right now
[02:26] <jjesse> theres no free interent for mason?
[02:26] <jjesse> masons?
[02:26] <gamerchick02> probably not
[02:26] <jjesse> don't you just do some secret sign or something?
[02:27] <gamerchick02> everything is going slowly with the Temple Board. they're all old anyway
[02:27] <brousch> crap, is the meeting still going?
[02:27] <brousch> fell asleep on the couch
[02:27] <gamerchick02> i'm surprised they don't want the fastest internet possible; one could die waiting for a page to load
[02:27] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, and you're getting a carepackage. ;)
[02:27] <brousch> ut oh
[02:27] <gamerchick02> brousch we're almost done. i'm complaining about old people and the internet
[02:29] <snap-l> Yeah, I think we're done with the CDs
[02:29] <snap-l> anything else anyone wants to bring up that isn't on the agenda.
[02:29] <brousch> i heard 12.04 is too big for a CD
[02:29] <snap-l> brousch: that's always a concern
[02:29] <jjesse> brousch it is
[02:30] <jjesse> snap-l no the default will be 750
[02:30] <jjesse> or something like that
[02:30] <snap-l> jjesse: Really?
[02:30] <jjesse> all over planet ubuntu
[02:30] <jjesse> yeah too large for a cd
[02:30] <jjesse> and they will be pushing amd64 by default
[02:30] <snap-l> jjesse: Ah, they're finally busting the CD
[02:30] <brousch> you know, if it's more than a cd you might as well use 1GB
[02:30] <snap-l> yeah, no kidding
[02:30] <gamerchick02> i agree, brousch and snap-l
[02:31] <jjesse> the default download will be be amd64
[02:31] <jjesse> and you will have too look for the 32 bit download
[02:31] <gamerchick02> but they'll have to do something about the servers
[02:31] <gamerchick02> such a large download will be really slow on release day
[02:31] <gamerchick02> it should be an option under "other versions"
[02:31] <gamerchick02> should. not sure if it will be...
[02:33] <snap-l> OK, if nobody else has anything to bring up, I'd like to thank everyone for coming out for the meeting
[02:34] <jjesse> i owuld like to tahnk you for leading the meeting
[02:34] <snap-l> Thank you.
[02:35] <gamerchick02> wow. a nice short meeting
[02:35] <gamerchick02> i hope i can keep my meeting on Tuesday short as well
[02:36] <snap-l> :)
[02:36] <gamerchick02> we're having ice cream afterwards.
[02:36] <gamerchick02> it's for our founders day celebration.
[02:38] <brousch> thanks snap-l
[02:49] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6bFTVi0hHs&feature=related
[02:50] <gamerchick02> http://i.imgur.com/Cpdaq.jpg
[02:50] <gamerchick02> that is awesome
[02:55] <snap-l> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FD3xe6Jt
[02:57] <gamerchick02> ugh. that's horrible
[02:57] <snap-l> gamerchick02: Which one?
[02:58] <gamerchick02> the last one. the pastebin
[02:58] <gamerchick02> didn't see the video. this wifi is horrible and will take 5 minutes to load a 2 minute video. it's frustrating
[02:58] <snap-l> yeah, the mongodb stuff is a bit scary
[02:58] <gamerchick02> it's like going back to 1999 and dial up.
[02:59] <snap-l> I think 10gen has great intentions, but play like a start-up with data.
[02:59] <gamerchick02> instead of an hour for the 5 minute video to load, it takes 10 minutes but whatever
[02:59] <gamerchick02> snap-l yeah. why would someone use that instead of something else?
[02:59] <gamerchick02> and do you pay for it?
[02:59] <snap-l> gamerchick02: Because it's blindingly fast
[03:00] <gamerchick02> it's fast because it's losing data. :-P
[03:00] <snap-l> and it uses a document store, which is awesome.
[03:00] <gamerchick02> ah
[03:00] <snap-l> Well, that's just a small detail. ;)
[03:02] <gamerchick02> a rather important one
[03:12] <snap-l> http://www.archive.org/details/ChopinBalladeNo.1horowitz1965Ch
[03:54] <gamerchick02> ok
[03:54] <gamerchick02> time for bed
[03:54] <gamerchick02> see everyone tomorrow after work.
[13:17] <Wolfger> morning
[13:23] <Wolfger> vim vs emacs on O'Reilly deal of the day http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/pq/271
[13:30] <snap-l> Good morning
[13:30] <snap-l> Wolfger: Yeah, I saw that.
[13:30] <snap-l> pretty cheap shot, making me want to re-buy a book I already have to support the editor I love. :)
[13:31] <ColonelPanic001> hi
[13:31] <ColonelPanic001> saw that, tempting
[13:31] <ColonelPanic001> I could stand to learn vim better. Much better.
[13:31] <ColonelPanic001> on the other hand, the internets teaches me stuff too
[13:31] <ColonelPanic001> but books are nice to just sit and read.
[13:34] <Wolfger> I am strongly tempted to purchase the vim e-book and finally actually learn to use it better than just h, j, k, l, dd, dw, yy, p, etc...
[13:34] <ColonelPanic001> exactly my situation
[13:37] <rick_h> vim classes at CHC
[13:37] <ColonelPanic001> wat
[13:37] <snap-l> vim classes on #ubuntu-us-mi daily
[13:37] <rick_h> people want to learn, I'll run vim classes at CHC
[13:37] <rick_h> but first watch my screencasts
[13:38] <rick_h> and I need to get some t-shirts to make $$ off the whole thing
[13:38] <rick_h> oh and morning
[13:38] <ColonelPanic001> "I learned vim from Rick and all I got was this tshirt"
[13:39] <snap-l> The official Rick's Vimcasts T-Shirt?
[13:40] <ColonelPanic001> the thing with books, too, though, is that with random screencasts and blog reading, you tend to jump around, rather than one constant and gradual learning curve. And, sometimes it's just nice to load up Kindle for Android and read at lunch, etc
[13:40] <ColonelPanic001> I CAN'T TAKE THIS KIND OF DECISION IN THE MORNING
[13:42] <snap-l> "When you can snatch the text from the buffer, it will be time for you to leave"
[13:42] <ColonelPanic001> hah
[13:42] <ColonelPanic001> s/snatch/yank/
[13:46] <ColonelPanic001> good god
[13:46] <ColonelPanic001> coworker's baby was born maybe a week go
[13:46] <ColonelPanic001> already has a domain and blog
[13:47] <Wolfger> rofl
[13:48] <Wolfger> also, ++ on the regex ColonelPanic001
[13:48] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, born oct. 31
[13:48] <ColonelPanic001> http://ceciliadenardis.com/
[13:48] <ColonelPanic001> wtf
[13:51] <brousch> bah, the kid should at least pick their own domain name
[13:51] <snap-l> Well, it's not what she calls herself
[13:51] <snap-l> she calls herself "Tyrannus, destroyer of worlds"
[13:51] <ColonelPanic001> I don't know if "gooaaahgg.com" is a good domain
[13:52] <ColonelPanic001> neither is "FEEDMEORILLSHITMYSELFAGAIN.COM"
[13:52] <brousch> ColonelPanic001: exactly. so she should not have a domain un til she can pick one herself
[13:52] <ColonelPanic001> they can redirect later. heh
[13:53] <snap-l> cname. ;)
[13:59] <ColonelPanic001> out of morbid curiosity, anyone else get a Diaspora invite?
[13:59] <snap-l> I sined up a while ago, and finally closed my account.
[14:00] <ColonelPanic001> wonder what noserub is like nowadays
[14:02] <ColonelPanic001> I kind of liked how it just acted as a aggregator profile, sort of
[14:12] <ColonelPanic001> http://identoo.com/mike if anyone's not familiar and curious
[14:12] <ColonelPanic001> hah, you can add github on there, too
[14:13] <rick_h> man, I need to get some esata on the desktop. Sad I can backup to my esata 160gb laptop disk faster than to my external usb on the desktop
[14:48] <snap-l> rick_h: joDee asked if celery supports cream cheese.
[14:50] <snap-l> http://soundcloud.com/celldweller
[14:50] <snap-l> Disposable War Pigs
[14:52] <brousch> no, but it wraps peanut butter and raisins nicely
[15:07] <ColonelPanic001> good god what has google done to gmail
[15:07] <rick_h> lol
[15:07] <rick_h> click the gear, change it down to compact
[15:07] <ColonelPanic001> soon as my eyes stop bleeding
[15:07] <ColonelPanic001> THAT HELPS
[15:07]  * ColonelPanic001 should remove the caps lock key
[15:07] <rick_h> map it to ctrl like a normal person :P
[15:08] <brousch> map it to search like chromebooks
[15:08] <ColonelPanic001> I rarely connect "like a normal person" to "things Rick suggests doing with a computer"
[15:08] <rick_h> damn, caught me
[15:08] <rick_h> I'm trying to convince people that the things I do are normal to help uptake of the patterns
[15:08] <rick_h> until they reach "what normal people do"
[15:08] <rick_h> levels
[15:09] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[15:09] <brousch> keep repeating it and it becomes true?
[15:09] <rick_h> keep spreading it and eventually it'll become true
[15:11] <rick_h> woot, my usb display arrived
[15:11] <rick_h> this afternoon shall be fun if these backups ever finish
[15:11] <_stink_> usb display?
[15:12] <snap-l> Ugh, sinuses be damned
[15:12] <rick_h> _stink_: yea, 9" 1024 usb powered monitor
[15:12] <_stink_> wtf
[15:12] <_stink_> how
[15:12] <brousch> works with linux?
[15:12] <rick_h> for taking on these weeklong sprints/etc to act as a dual monitor to my 12" on the laptop
[15:12] <rick_h> supposedly
[15:12] <rick_h> https://bmark.us/recent/monitor
[15:12] <rick_h> displaylink is the way it works
[15:13] <rick_h> needs an additional xserver module that's not in by default
[15:13] <rick_h> and requires a xorg conf file
[15:13] <rick_h> but should work
[15:13] <_stink_> well, i'll be damned
[15:13] <_stink_> that's slick
[15:13] <rick_h> yea, I <3 my 12" laptop
[15:13] <snap-l> That link is loading slow
[15:13] <rick_h> but not sure I can hack for a week on just that
[15:13] <rick_h> if I get it running I'll bring it to CHC wed
[15:14] <rick_h> I'm guessing it's going to be a bear though from all the links I gathered
[15:14] <snap-l> I think it runs just fine under a Macintosh. ;)
[15:14] <_stink_> rick_h: you started with the evil corporation Canonical yet?
[15:14] <rick_h> yea, it does. I saw one in one of the pics from the IDS team at UDS here in FL
[15:14] <rick_h> _stink_: next monday
[15:14] <rick_h> this week is prep for that week
[15:15] <rick_h> taking the last of my morpace vacation days to get a week to adjust
[15:15] <_stink_> ah, ok
[15:15] <_stink_> cool
[15:15] <brousch> don't canonical folks use apple and run ubuntu in a VM?
[15:15] <rick_h> yea, Foord does
[15:15] <rick_h> he's the one I saw with the display in the uds pics
[15:17] <brousch> will apple become less evil now that jobs is dead?
[15:17] <rick_h> who knows
[15:17] <snap-l> too soon
[15:18] <rick_h> yea
[15:18] <_stink_> his soul is still in charge, duh.
[15:18] <_stink_> now everyone hears "noooo buttttooonnnsss" in their sleep
[15:19] <brousch> snap-l: too soon to know or too soon to be speaking ill of the dead?
[15:20] <snap-l> both
[15:20] <_stink_> hah
[15:22] <snap-l> It'd be like making malloc jokes about Dennis Ritchie
[15:22]  * _stink_ stifles a laugh
[15:22] <snap-l> Or Too Many Parens jokes about McCarthy
[15:24] <snap-l> http://objectmix.com/lisp/171900-lisp-joke-day.html
[15:25] <_stink_> haha
[15:28] <snap-l> The boy is smoking and leaving smoke rings into the air.
[15:28] <snap-l> The girl gets irritated with the smoke and says to her lover: "Can't you see the warning written on the cigarettes packet, smoking is injurious to health!"
[15:28] <snap-l> The boy replies back: "Darling, I am a programmer. We don't worry about warnings, we only worry about errors."
[15:32] <snap-l> All programmers are playwrights and all computers are lousy actors.
[15:43] <snap-l> http://cloudkicker.bandcamp.com/album/--2
[15:44] <ColonelPanic001> I still need to give cloudkicker a listen
[15:44] <snap-l> Dude, it's awesome.
[15:44] <ColonelPanic001> I gather you're a fan, yes :P
[15:44] <snap-l> I even have the T-Shirt. :)
[15:44] <ColonelPanic001> hang on, I'll grab some headphones. No time like the present
[15:46] <snap-l> Trust me. Would I steer you wrong?
[15:46] <ColonelPanic001> if it was funny, maybe.
[15:47] <ColonelPanic001> that's usually my criteria
[15:47] <snap-l> Well, that goes without saying.
[15:47] <snap-l> comedic effect trumps all
[15:47] <ColonelPanic001> "Don't go that way there's a banana peel... er, nevermind. Carry on"
[15:47] <ColonelPanic001> so far this instrumental bit is quite good
[15:47] <snap-l> It's all instrumental
[15:48] <ColonelPanic001> ah, cool.
[15:48] <ColonelPanic001> not too common to find good instrumental metal
[15:48] <snap-l> Yeah
[15:49] <snap-l> http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/74928 <- Also fantastic stuff
[15:49] <ColonelPanic001> I'm liking this CK
[15:49] <ColonelPanic001> "Jamendo is currently under maintainance"
[15:49] <ColonelPanic001> WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?
[15:49] <snap-l> Give it a sec. ;)
[15:49] <ColonelPanic001> the link was too good to contain
[15:51] <ColonelPanic001> # is pertty damn nice
[15:52] <_stink_> ok now i must listen
[15:52] <ColonelPanic001> you might like it, actually
[15:52] <ColonelPanic001> it's pretty good. snap-l did not lead us astray.
[15:53] <snap-l> "Beacons" is definitely one of my desert island discs.
[15:55] <ColonelPanic001> I'll do that one next
[15:56] <ColonelPanic001> (which means, now. Just started)
[15:57] <brousch> snap-l: what's a disc?
[15:57] <snap-l> brousch: The things I'm mailing you
[15:59] <brousch> do i need a turntable or a cassette player?
[16:00] <snap-l> Nope, just open wide: http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/venter_2009/mouth_with_cd.jpg
[16:01] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, I'm a fan already. This is good music for work, too
[16:02] <ColonelPanic001> reminds me of post-rock, but metal.
[16:02] <snap-l> Yeah
[16:02] <snap-l> I think it's pretty progressive.
[16:02] <ColonelPanic001> it is
[16:03] <ColonelPanic001> I'd consider it in that genre. Prog-metalish.
[16:03] <snap-l> Bah, labels
[16:03] <_stink_> you made that up.
[16:03] <ColonelPanic001> you've never heard of Progressive metal, _stink_ ?
[16:03] <_stink_> i don't remember
[16:03] <_stink_> but i think 'Prog-metalish' is made up by you just now.
[16:03] <ColonelPanic001> labels are cumbersome, but it's a lot easier than taking 20 minutes to describe them. Just can't take them too seriously
[16:03] <ColonelPanic001> I added the ish.
[16:03] <snap-l> Have you heard of Dream Theater, Fates Warning, or Opeth?
[16:04] <_stink_> ..
[16:04] <_stink_> here it comes
[16:04] <_stink_> unless you were asking me
[16:04] <snap-l> I was asking. :)
[16:04] <_stink_> oh, see, i though you were asking ColonelPanic001.
[16:04] <_stink_> but you two have probably discussed this at length.
[16:04] <snap-l> No, I was asking you
[16:04] <_stink_> i've heard of Opeth from ColonelPanic001.
[16:04] <_stink_> that's it, i think
[16:04] <_stink_> but i shall now listen to all of them
[16:05] <snap-l> _stink_: Do yourself a favor: Check out Images and Words by Dream Theater
[16:05] <_stink_> ColonelPanic001 got me listening to Amon Amarth last week
[16:05] <snap-l> it's a little dated, but it's awesome.
[16:05] <ColonelPanic001> Opeth is easily my favorite metal band.
[16:05] <_stink_> i shall.
[16:05] <ColonelPanic001> I keep meaning to check out Dream Theater.
[16:05] <ColonelPanic001> will-do, too
[16:05] <_stink_> snap-l: thank you.
[16:05] <ColonelPanic001> I just tend towards the heavier metal bands. Death/black mostly. Not entirely, though. I mean, I loved Opeth's "Damnation", for example.
[16:05] <snap-l> I'm under protest for their latest album since it doesn't have Mike Portnoy
[16:06] <snap-l> but they're awesome musicians
[16:06] <snap-l> If you don't mind crazy, over-the-top musical circle jerking, Liquid Tension Experiment is awesome as well
[16:06] <_stink_> snap-l: it's not dated if it's new to me :)
[16:06] <brousch> Amon amarth r0x0rz
[16:07]  * snap-l needs to have a listening room. :)
[16:07] <brousch> only thing better is Morbid Angel
[16:07] <snap-l> Quick, to the bat-mobile!
[16:07] <rick_h> http://twitter.com/#!/mpiccinato/status/133571372340363264
[16:07] <rick_h> ^^
[16:07] <rick_h> another father in the club
[16:07] <snap-l> AWESMOME!
[16:08] <rick_h> their baby registry is wiped, but if anyone's interested, I did an amazon gift card to him, pm me for the email if interested
[16:10] <brousch> doesn't sound familiar
[16:10] <rick_h> he's a CHCers from our side
[16:10] <rick_h> so yea, not 100% in the channel stuff, but a lot of us know him
[16:10] <_stink_> ah, yeah, ok
[16:10] <_stink_> i recognize him now
[16:19] <_stink_> snap-l: have Images and Words on now.
[16:19] <_stink_> funky.
[16:20] <ColonelPanic001> I'm still on Beacons. This is great
[16:20] <_stink_> there is a whole new world of music unfolding in front of me.
[16:21] <snap-l> _stink_: LMK if you want more. I have a severe love of prog metal
[16:22] <snap-l> also filtered into a love of prog in general
[16:25]  * snap-l will get the whole channel listening to Rush before you know it. Muhahahahahahahaha!
[16:25] <ColonelPanic001> Rush is okay
[16:25] <ColonelPanic001> a little hit and miss for me
[16:25] <_stink_> Rush is awesome.  i do not need to be sold.
[16:25] <_stink_> NO
[16:25] <_stink_> YOU ARE WRONG
[16:26] <snap-l> _stink_: you like hockey. It's like hand to glove for liking Rush
[16:26] <_stink_> hah, yes
[16:26] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[16:30] <snap-l> JoDee is kicking my ass on Wordfeud
[16:31] <snap-l> She had one word (Tecento) that was worth 73 points
[16:31] <snap-l> Trecento
[16:31] <ColonelPanic001> Wordfeud?
[16:31] <snap-l> Like Words with Friends
[16:31] <snap-l> on iPhone and Android
[16:32] <ColonelPanic001> never played that either. This looks to be free mobile scrabble
[16:32] <snap-l> I'm snapl on there
[16:32] <snap-l> Less annoying ads than Words with friends
[16:32] <ColonelPanic001> is it basically scrabble, then?
[16:32] <snap-l> Yeah, but without the trademark board
[16:32] <ColonelPanic001> I'm sold
[16:32] <snap-l> it has the ability to randomize the board.
[16:33] <_stink_> free?
[16:33] <snap-l> I got hugely lucky in my last game with greg-g
[16:33] <snap-l> he was leading me pretty well, but I managed to come up from behind
[16:33] <snap-l> _stink_: Yeah, free with ads.
[16:33] <snap-l> and $2.99 to shut them off
[16:34] <_stink_> man
[16:34] <ColonelPanic001> I don't like that it has access to contact data. Maybe later or something
[16:34] <ColonelPanic001> other than that, then, I was sold. heh
[16:35] <snap-l> Yeah, it uses that to find folks
[16:35] <ColonelPanic001> as far as we know
[16:35] <ColonelPanic001> I should use this as an excuse to try decompiling apks
[16:35] <ColonelPanic001> could actually check
[16:35] <snap-l> There you go. :)
[16:35] <ColonelPanic001> must do this later
[16:36] <ColonelPanic001> normally I'd just say "scrabble isn't worth it" and not install, but hey, worth the excuse. Then I can say I used something from 1devday
[16:37] <snap-l> Wow, went to B&N last night
[16:37] <snap-l> they had 40% off their classical CDs
[16:37] <snap-l> and I had a 30% coupon
[16:37] <ColonelPanic001> \o/
[16:37] <ColonelPanic001> haha
[16:37] <snap-l> Picked up some Gershwin and Rachmaninov piano-roll performances.
[16:38] <snap-l> Along with Tchaikovsky's Pathetique, and Two Yo Yo Ma Discs (The Dvorak Album, and Schumann)
[16:38] <snap-l> I really hope I don't bankrupt them too. ;)
[16:38] <ColonelPanic001> I have that Dvorak album
[16:38] <ColonelPanic001> <3
[16:39] <ColonelPanic001> now I have to go home and listen to it
[16:39] <snap-l> Yeah, it's a little roughly mixed though, but it's nice.
[16:39] <ColonelPanic001> btw, Beacons just finished, and it was great
[16:39] <snap-l> Awesome. :)
[16:39] <ColonelPanic001> on Portmanteau now
[16:40] <ColonelPanic001> well, after lunch
[16:40] <snap-l> I'd recommend ]]][[[ next.
[16:40] <snap-l> It's an earlier album, but it was remastered
[16:41] <Wolfger> Man, you people are all talky when I'm busy....
[16:41] <snap-l> Ok, shhh, Wolfger is back
[16:42] <snap-l> rick_h: Do I have to take this Staples survey? :)
[16:45] <Wolfger> snap-l: keep talking. I'm not really here.  Busy day
[16:47] <ColonelPanic001> I started on ]]][[[
[17:19] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: So, how do you like ]]][[[
[17:19] <ColonelPanic001> it was good
[17:19] <snap-l> (Which I think is the album title to really make programmers want to hurt people)
[17:20] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[17:31] <rick_h> ok, time to reinstall...bbl
[17:52] <rick_h> man, how do people deal with ootb experience with this stuff
[17:56] <_stink_> not sure
[18:15] <snap-l> rick_h: Not everyone expects a chess set to make the perfect go board. :)
[18:17] <rick_h> yea
[18:18] <brousch> rick_h: we whine and complain on the interwebs
[18:38] <rick_h> ahhh, back in awesome with my lovely keybindings
[18:40] <brousch> boooo
[18:40] <brousch> eat the dogfood
[18:43] <jcastro> rick_h: I WIN.
[18:43] <jcastro> mwahahahaa
[18:43] <snap-l> jcastro: What did you win? :)
[18:44] <jcastro> well, it's almost the end of december craig
[18:44] <jcastro> I believe I am going to win the Mac bet with you
[18:44] <snap-l> Yes, yes I know
[18:44] <jcastro> and I won by making Rick switch back to ubuntu
[18:44] <brousch> there was a bet that rick_h would switch back to ubuntu?
[18:45]  * snap-l should have made the bet with both Mac and iOS devices.
[18:45] <snap-l> but, a deal's a deal
[18:45] <jcastro> heh
[18:45] <jcastro> you'd win on tablets
[18:45] <jcastro> but not phones
[18:45] <jcastro> so it'd be a split
[18:45] <snap-l> check it
[18:45] <jcastro> brousch: no, switching rick back is a personal goal
[18:46] <brousch> you just had to hire him to make it so?
[18:46] <snap-l> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8
[18:46] <jcastro> if you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'
[18:46] <snap-l> Stil less than 10%, though, but iOS and Mac combined are pretty close to that magic 10%
[18:47] <snap-l> 9.94%
[18:47] <snap-l> I'll kick myself if that Mac number hits 10% after January, though
[18:47] <jcastro> it won't
[18:47] <jcastro> it's been declining since the 80's dude
[18:48] <jcastro> it's just hard to get that through mac people's heads.
[18:48] <snap-l> We just need more people using macs to browse the web. ;)
[18:48] <snap-l> stop pretending you're IE6. ;)
[18:48] <brousch> damn. linux is only 1%
[18:50] <snap-l> brousch: We're an extremely vocal minority.
[18:50] <snap-l> speaking of which, I need to yell at someone about diminishing OS/2 support sometime.
[18:52] <mydogsnameisrudy> linux users are l33t tho
[18:52] <snap-l> My dad thinks Linux is cool
[18:53] <mydogsnameisrudy> im not your dad
[18:53] <snap-l> thank God for small miracles. ;)
[18:53] <mydogsnameisrudy> indeed
[18:53] <rick_h> lol
[18:53] <rick_h> jcastro: back from uds?
[18:53] <rick_h> guess you didn't have that far to go though
[18:53] <jcastro> yeah
[18:54] <jcastro> yeah but I was there for 2 weeks because of a sprint
[18:54] <jcastro> so I was totally ready to come home
[18:54] <rick_h> yea no kidding
[18:54] <rick_h> I'm kind of excited but dreading to be gone for week in Nov and then again in Jan
[18:54] <snap-l> I secretly think they had it near jcastro's house just so he wouldn't have to travel.
[18:54] <jcastro> yeah, if only, now I will just miss gold status this year. :(
[18:55] <rick_h> hah
[18:56] <greg-g> jcastro: do a mileage run?
[18:56] <jcastro> heh
[18:56] <greg-g> :)
[18:57] <brousch> greg-g: are you occupying oakland?
[18:58] <greg-g> brousch: I'm in DC right now (well, MD, actually)
[18:58] <greg-g> brousch: so, no.
[18:58] <greg-g> I visited the SF one for a bit around halloween weekend
[18:59] <brousch> DC?
[18:59] <rick_h> jcastro: ooh, instructions including writing an xorg.conf file
[18:59] <snap-l> District of Columbia
[18:59] <snap-l> our Nation's Capital
[18:59]  * snap-l signs brousch up for civics 101
[19:00] <jjesse> gold status w/ airline or hotel?
[19:00] <snap-l> "Become a Zehnder's Facebook fan and enter to win a Splashtastic Getaway at Zehnder's Splash Village!"
[19:00] <snap-l> FML
[19:02] <snap-l> Apparently my internet is flaking out
[19:02] <snap-l> Apparently my internet is flaking out
[19:04] <greg-g> is your internet flaking out?
[19:04] <snap-l> Yes
[19:04] <snap-l> so much so that I had to say it twice. :)
[19:04] <greg-g> :)
[19:05] <greg-g> what I'm in DC for, for those who are curious (no one): http://www.setda.org/web/guest/2011leadershipsummitschedule
[19:16] <_stink_> so you'll be active in IRC at 7am for the next few days?
[19:22] <rick_h> woot! it's alive
[19:22] <rick_h> very flaky, ugh..but alive
[19:23] <rick_h> might need to hit up some xorg masters at MUG
[19:25] <Blazeix> protip: delete xorg.conf, hope to god everything autoconfigures
[19:26] <rick_h> heh, yea but you have to have one for displaylink devices
[19:26] <rick_h> so irc is running sweet on my usb display
[19:26] <rick_h> but things open in one monitor/other without reason
[19:26] <rick_h> and you can't drag windows across them
[19:26] <brousch> http://xkcd.com/963/
[19:26] <rick_h> and anything with a gui is running with a HUGE font on the usb monitor
[19:27] <rick_h> yea, but this is too cool
[19:30] <_stink_> sounds like they are different X displays.
[19:30] <_stink_> i think that's what prohibits moving between them
[19:31] <snap-l> Jesus, I'm not sure how they could make reporting my time any worse.
[19:31] <snap-l> IE only, buried on HR page somewhere.
[19:32] <snap-l> and then they get pissy when you don't report it promptly.
[19:32] <mydogsnameisrudy> keep looking your on the clock
[19:33]  * snap-l should just start busking in Royal Oak, and call it a day.
[19:33] <snap-l> clack clack clack clack clack I'm IE, and I can't do a page load without clack clack clack
[19:34] <snap-l> clack clack clack clack please cleack shoot clack me.
[19:34] <mydogsnameisrudy> dont bookmark it when you find it they will just change everytying again
[19:35] <snap-l> "Sorry, your browser/program is not supported by Web Dynpro!"
[19:35] <snap-l> That's under Firefox
[19:36] <mydogsnameisrudy> your one of them 1% linux users
[19:36] <snap-l> I'm one of those 99% shouldn't have to care what browser I'm using Users.
[19:38] <mydogsnameisrudy> boot disk 1.44mb windows 98 series
[19:43] <rick_h> _stink_: yea, they're setup in xorg as diff displays
[19:43] <rick_h> seems to work if I make the usb one the primary
[19:43] <rick_h> but not if I don't
[19:43] <snap-l> Oh that sucks
[19:43] <_stink_> :|
[19:43] <snap-l> Is it something to do with the boot order?
[19:44] <snap-l> (he said, while distancing himself from any potential fallout from that statement)
[19:47] <rick_h> heh, not sure
[19:47] <rick_h> there's a mix of posts but all are gdm
[19:47] <rick_h> so lightdm is different
[19:47] <rick_h> and so there's probably a way, but not sure
[19:58] <rick_h> https://plus.google.com/116120911388966791792/posts/Gg9YjxRSWS7
[19:58] <rick_h> better pics from the camera (not phone) and you can see the strange quirks with the usb display
[20:00] <jcastro> rick_h: blog about that doublesight thing pls.
[20:00] <rick_h> k, will do
[20:04] <brousch> rick_h: do you like the ball?
[20:04] <rick_h> brousch: yea, I've never used it a ton because my desk was the wrong height for it
[20:04] <rick_h> and it hurt my wrists, but now I'm trying to get into using it vs the chair when I'm in sitting
[20:06] <brousch> i haven't been able to requisition and standing desk at work, so i'm thinking about a ball
[20:06] <rick_h> yea, you can tell
[20:07] <rick_h> it takes some muscles to keep on there and setup right
[20:07] <rick_h> but the thing is that it's harder to adjust the height
[20:07] <rick_h> it needs to be filled properly
[20:07] <ColonelPanic001> never forget to keep your balls filled
[20:09] <brousch> ColonelPanic001: i prefer them empty O:-)
[20:13] <_stink_> that halo is creeping me out.
[20:14] <ColonelPanic001> hah
[20:15] <ColonelPanic001> but not his balls. Those are fine.
[20:15] <brousch> ColonelPanic001: thank you
[20:28] <snap-l> rick_h: Does that ball serve a purpose?
[20:29] <ColonelPanic001> does yours?
[20:29] <snap-l> Also, JoDee says it's too much clutter.
[20:29] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: I thought he was doing the standing desk
[20:29] <ColonelPanic001> you lose yours when you stand? Might want to see a doctor.
[20:30] <_stink_> STOP
[20:30] <snap-l> and I've been thinking of using the sitting ball desk
[20:30] <snap-l> _stink_: If you ignore it, it'll stop. :)
[20:30] <ColonelPanic001> _stink_ knows better.
[20:30] <_stink_> i can't ignore ColonelPanic001.  i'm within throwing distance
[20:30] <ColonelPanic001> I'm not in here to entertain you. You're in here to entertain me!
[20:30]  * ColonelPanic001 throws hot oil on someone.
[20:32] <snap-l> heh
[20:33] <ColonelPanic001> standing now and then would be nice, but I can't imagine that much work/money/etc into one that could do both, and I don't care to stand in one place all day
[20:34] <brousch> i'm enjoying this kind of thing more than progressive metal today http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/14585
[20:42] <rick_h> snap-l: yes, I sit on it when I'm not standing :)
[20:42] <rick_h> snap-l: yea, I'm still org'ing
[20:43] <rick_h> and I've got backup drives/etc going on that normally won't be there
[20:43] <rick_h> ColonelPanic001: yea, well this was cheaper than getting the nice Aeron chair
[20:43] <rick_h> so I justify it that way
[20:43] <rick_h> and healthier
[20:46] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, I imagine
[20:53] <snap-l> I keep looking at what I've lovingly termed the Fart-master 5000
[20:54] <snap-l> Mesh chairs that don't trap expulsions
[20:54] <snap-l> Though I'm tempted with the ball chairs
[20:55] <ColonelPanic001> only works if you have mesh underpants
[20:55] <brousch> snap-l: that is better than farts trapped in cushions which get violently released when you sit down
[21:46] <snap-l> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3202959
[21:46] <snap-l> brousch: Exactly. I need to febreeze my chair every so often because it smells like Microcenter's parts department after a while.
[21:47] <snap-l> (this is not a point of pride, just so you know)
[21:52] <brousch> sure it's not
[21:57] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWSRgsk2oaw <- iTunes phone
[21:57] <snap-l> Man, that was an abortion
[21:58] <snap-l> I think this is the reason Apple worked hard to not let the carriers decide anything about the iPhone
[22:45] <jcastro> http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1089/community-promotion-ads-1h-2011/1996#1996
[22:46] <jcastro> upvotes if you have them pls
[22:46] <snap-l> upvoted
[22:47] <snap-l> even though I still have NFC what Juju is. :)
[22:50] <jcastro> \o/
[22:50] <jcastro> snap-l: apt but for services, and across machines/clouds
[22:50] <snap-l> Looking at the demo now
[22:52] <snap-l> That's kinda funky
[23:46] <snap-l>  Is there any sensation more rewarding for a developer than fixing something that has been bugging you for a while?
[23:46] <snap-l> Was inspired to fix a firefox extension for flickr that was causing me some grief.