[00:00] you've also got an nvidia chip there, i'm not sure if you're able to use that exclusively [00:01] i can, if i so desire [00:02] rendering might be different since i'd be using nouveau or nvidia [00:02] what o/s did that come with? [00:02] no os [00:02] cool [00:03] but optimus... so... [00:06] and yeah, i can confirm that the desktop tears during workspace switching [00:09] well, you'll have no issues with the blob, if that's the way you want to go [00:09] i'm sure sandybridge will be worked out in time [00:10] thx [00:11] snb is still slower than the slowest nvidia chip [00:14] LLStarks, hard drive or flash drive? [00:22] hard [00:23] now's a pretty good time to buy an ssd tho [00:23] hdds are so ridiculously expensive because of the thailand floods [00:28] seems like a particularly good thing to have in a craptop, because motorized drives are not supposed to be moved, which is in conflict with the nature and purpose of craptops [00:30] D: [00:30] i take you like towers [00:32] at least i can build them myself [00:32] although no o/s is very spiffy [00:32] no microsoft tax [00:32] i picked every component of this laptop save for the gpu [00:33] that's not the case in most situations with craptops [00:34] my experience is they don't last very long [00:35] LLStarks, join #gnome-shell on gimpnet and talk to the devs about the tearing [00:35] ok thanks again [00:39] irc.gimp.org [01:08] Prf_Jakob: Oh, dear. What breaks on Radeon 6970? I didn't know we actually had support for that chip? [01:10] RAOF: Graphical glitches. [01:10] Rendering sometimes is just random data. [01:11] Its probably the X driver thats at fault because the text in gnome-terminal got broken at one point. [01:13] RAOF: also turning adding 'Option "NoAccel" "TRUE"' to xorg.conf and then launch a normal Unity session is currently broken. [01:13] Prf_Jakob: As in: It doesn't correctly detect the lack of GL and fallback to unity 2D? Urgh. [01:13] yeah [01:14] You know what would be awesome? Having all the people who use the stable releases find bugs before they become stable releases :) [01:14] did you try fglrx? [01:14] Also, I'd like a bug-triaging pony. [01:14] hehe :) [01:18] RAOF: If we are speaking of wanting things, I like a way to lock the Unity task bar and turning of the menu redirection. [01:18] Both are totaly pointless on a 30" screen. [01:18] I think there *is* an environment variable you can set for the menus... [01:19] oh [01:19] And compiz-config-settings-manager has knobs for the Launcher's autohide behaviour. [01:19] ah nice [01:22] Last one, anyways I can get a somewhat compitent theme config tool? I would like to be able to change the font size. [01:22] gnome-tweak-tool [01:23] That'll let you set various themey bits, most usefully the font, font size, and DPIish. [01:23] Yes, it depends on gnome-shell. Yes, that's crap. [01:23] ah thanks [01:23] heh [01:23] there used be settings for that in the settings panel? [01:24] I'm hoping you are planning on adding that back to the settings panel? [01:24] Yeah, I believe that's intended. [01:24] ah good [01:24] I'm not sure if *we* are planning on adding that, but it's a GNOME-hasn't-yet-implemented rather than GNOME-is-philosophically-objecting-to-implementing. [01:25] Ah so the new config panel is a gnome thing not a Ubuntu rewrite? [01:26] Yeah. [01:26] Ah so compiz-config wont work since I'm running Unity2D. [01:26] Well now I know that so I can change that in the future. [01:26] In fact, there's a certain amount of friction there, as GNOME doesn't want it extensible, and we want to add things like jockey, Ubuntu One, and such. [01:27] I think compiz-config should work even when you're not running Unity3D? [01:27] At least, I don't know why it wouldn't work. It doesn't actually talk to compiz, just twiddle configuration files. [01:28] dunno, Unity2D is based on metacity, or at least thats whats running. [01:28] Oh, it won't change the settings for Unity2D. [01:28] If that was what you were expecting. [01:28] Right :) [01:29] Not really expected it just didn't think that far ahead :) [01:29] expecting* [01:29] Heh. [01:33] but yeah getting a bunch of the most common requests for Unity in a config-panel under the SystemSettings would be nice. [01:34] There were some sessions at UDS about that. Or, at least, something like that. "More configurable Unity" [01:36] Ah cool [01:40] Thinking of which, our regular general X session happened, where we discussed what mesa version to ship in 12.04. [01:40] Thinking of which, our regular general X session happened, where we discussed what mesa version to ship in 12.04. Consensus is 7.12/8.0, assuming that it's branched off by mid-January. [01:40] ok [01:41] The intel guys probably want to do a branch in december and a release in mid January. [01:42] That will make my "Decide if we can go with 7.12/8.0 in mid January" work item nice and easy, then :) [01:43] yeah we tried to poke them to do a earlier release because we wheren't sure what you guys would decide. [01:49] Good to know about that, we will keep a eye on intel and make sure we ship in mid january. [01:50] Okay so Unity2D looks good with NoAccel commnted out. [01:58] http://irc.walkyrie.se/ubuntu/unity-errors.png [01:58] RAOF: ^ thats what the errors looks under Unity3D btw. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:57] Sarvatt, can you upload the SRU for LP:#785280 natty and oneiric please ? [14:58] mgariepy: uploaded already [14:59] ha great :) thanks a lot [15:26] tjaalton: thank ya so much for that! [15:30] Sarvatt: no prob [18:06] any idea what could cause Bug #886833 in Lucid? where would I start to investigate this? could this be a -nouveau issue? [18:06] Launchpad bug 886833 in gdm (Ubuntu) "gdm-greeter unusable because filled with pixel garbage (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/886833 [18:37] yup, nouveau it is. broken on Lucid. [18:37] nv works fine on the same hardware.