[00:00] <bjsnider> you've also got an nvidia chip there, i'm not sure if you're able to use that exclusively
[00:01] <LLStarks> i can, if i so desire
[00:02] <LLStarks> rendering might be different since i'd be using nouveau or nvidia
[00:02] <bjsnider> what o/s did that come with?
[00:02] <LLStarks> no os
[00:02] <bjsnider> cool
[00:03] <LLStarks> but optimus... so...
[00:06] <LLStarks> and yeah, i can confirm that the desktop tears during workspace switching
[00:09] <bjsnider> well, you'll have no issues with the blob, if that's the way you want to go
[00:09] <bjsnider> i'm sure sandybridge will be worked out in time
[00:10] <LLStarks> thx
[00:11] <bjsnider> snb is still slower than the slowest nvidia chip
[00:14] <bjsnider> LLStarks, hard drive or flash drive?
[00:22] <LLStarks> hard
[00:23] <LLStarks> now's a pretty good time to buy an ssd tho
[00:23] <LLStarks> hdds are so ridiculously expensive because of the thailand floods
[00:28] <bjsnider> seems like a particularly good thing to have in a craptop, because motorized drives are not supposed to be moved, which is in conflict with the nature and purpose of craptops
[00:30] <LLStarks> D:
[00:30] <LLStarks> i take you like towers
[00:32] <bjsnider> at least i can build them myself
[00:32] <bjsnider> although no o/s is very spiffy
[00:32] <bjsnider> no microsoft tax
[00:32] <LLStarks> i picked every component of this laptop save for the gpu
[00:33] <bjsnider> that's not the case in most situations with craptops
[00:34] <bjsnider> my experience is they don't last very long
[00:35] <bjsnider> LLStarks, join #gnome-shell on gimpnet and talk to the devs about the tearing
[00:35] <LLStarks> ok thanks again
[00:39] <bjsnider> irc.gimp.org
[01:08] <RAOF> Prf_Jakob: Oh, dear.  What breaks on Radeon 6970?  I didn't know we actually had support for that chip?
[01:10] <Prf_Jakob> RAOF: Graphical glitches.
[01:10] <Prf_Jakob> Rendering sometimes is just random data.
[01:11] <Prf_Jakob> Its probably the X driver thats at fault because the text in gnome-terminal got broken at one point.
[01:13] <Prf_Jakob> RAOF: also turning adding 'Option "NoAccel" "TRUE"' to xorg.conf and then launch a normal Unity session is currently broken.
[01:13] <RAOF> Prf_Jakob: As in: It doesn't correctly detect the lack of GL and fallback to unity 2D?  Urgh.
[01:13] <Prf_Jakob> yeah
[01:14] <RAOF> You know what would be awesome?  Having all the people who use the stable releases find bugs before they become stable releases :)
[01:14] <bjsnider> did you try fglrx?
[01:14] <RAOF> Also, I'd like a bug-triaging pony.
[01:14] <Prf_Jakob> hehe :)
[01:18] <Prf_Jakob> RAOF: If we are speaking of wanting things, I like a way to lock the Unity task bar and turning of the menu redirection.
[01:18] <Prf_Jakob> Both are totaly pointless on a 30" screen.
[01:18] <RAOF> I think there *is* an environment variable you can set for the menus...
[01:19] <Prf_Jakob> oh
[01:19] <RAOF> And compiz-config-settings-manager has knobs for the Launcher's autohide behaviour.
[01:19] <Prf_Jakob> ah nice
[01:22] <Prf_Jakob> Last one, anyways I can get a somewhat compitent theme config tool? I would like to be able to change the font size.
[01:22] <RAOF> gnome-tweak-tool
[01:23] <RAOF> That'll let you set various themey bits, most usefully the font, font size, and DPIish.
[01:23] <RAOF> Yes, it depends on gnome-shell.  Yes, that's crap.
[01:23] <Prf_Jakob> ah thanks
[01:23] <Prf_Jakob> heh
[01:23] <Prf_Jakob> there used be settings for that in the settings panel?
[01:24] <Prf_Jakob> I'm hoping you are planning on adding that back to the settings panel?
[01:24] <RAOF> Yeah, I believe that's intended.
[01:24] <Prf_Jakob> ah good
[01:24] <RAOF> I'm not sure if *we* are planning on adding that, but it's a GNOME-hasn't-yet-implemented rather than GNOME-is-philosophically-objecting-to-implementing.
[01:25] <Prf_Jakob> Ah so the new config panel is a gnome thing not a Ubuntu rewrite?
[01:26] <RAOF> Yeah.
[01:26] <Prf_Jakob> Ah so compiz-config wont work since I'm running Unity2D.
[01:26] <Prf_Jakob> Well now I know that so I can change that in the future.
[01:26] <RAOF> In fact, there's a certain amount of friction there, as GNOME doesn't want it extensible, and we want to add things like jockey, Ubuntu One, and such.
[01:27] <RAOF> I think compiz-config should work even when you're not running Unity3D?
[01:27] <RAOF> At least, I don't know why it wouldn't work.  It doesn't actually talk to compiz, just twiddle configuration files.
[01:28] <Prf_Jakob> dunno, Unity2D is based on metacity, or at least thats whats running.
[01:28] <RAOF> Oh, it won't change the settings for Unity2D.
[01:28] <RAOF> If that was what you were expecting.
[01:28] <Prf_Jakob> Right :)
[01:29] <Prf_Jakob> Not really expected it just didn't think that far ahead :)
[01:29] <Prf_Jakob> expecting*
[01:29] <RAOF> Heh.
[01:33] <Prf_Jakob> but yeah getting a bunch of the most common requests for Unity in a config-panel under the SystemSettings would be nice.
[01:34] <RAOF> There were some sessions at UDS about that.  Or, at least, something like that.  "More configurable Unity"
[01:36] <Prf_Jakob> Ah cool
[01:40] <RAOF> Thinking of which, our regular general X session happened, where we discussed what mesa version to ship in 12.04.
[01:40] <RAOF> Thinking of which, our regular general X session happened, where we discussed what mesa version to ship in 12.04.  Consensus is 7.12/8.0, assuming that it's branched off by mid-January.
[01:40] <Prf_Jakob> ok
[01:41] <Prf_Jakob> The intel guys probably want to do a branch in december and a release in mid January.
[01:42] <RAOF> That will make my "Decide if we can go with 7.12/8.0 in mid January" work item nice and easy, then :)
[01:43] <Prf_Jakob> yeah we tried to poke them to do a earlier release because we wheren't sure what you guys would decide.
[01:49] <Prf_Jakob> Good to know about that, we will keep a eye on intel and make sure we ship in mid january.
[01:50] <Prf_Jakob> Okay so Unity2D looks good with NoAccel commnted out.
[01:58] <Prf_Jakob> http://irc.walkyrie.se/ubuntu/unity-errors.png
[01:58] <Prf_Jakob> RAOF: ^ thats what the errors looks under Unity3D btw.
[14:57] <mgariepy> Sarvatt, can you upload the SRU for LP:#785280 natty and oneiric please ?
[14:58] <tjaalton> mgariepy: uploaded already
[14:59] <mgariepy> ha great :) thanks a lot
[15:26] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: thank ya so much for that!
[15:30] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: no prob
[18:06] <Q-FUNK> any idea what could cause Bug #886833  in Lucid? where would I start to investigate this? could this be a -nouveau issue?
[18:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 886833 in gdm (Ubuntu) "gdm-greeter unusable because filled with pixel garbage (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/886833
[18:37] <Q-FUNK> yup, nouveau it is. broken on Lucid.
[18:37] <Q-FUNK> nv works fine on the same hardware.