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| Pjotr | Hello all | 10:34 |
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| knome | hello | 10:34 |
| Pjotr | micahg: has the Ubuntu Security Team reached a decision about this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/884252 | 10:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 884252 in sun-java6 (Ubuntu) "Oracle (Sun) Java JRE urgently needs security update" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 10:34 |
| astraljava | Anyone using the weather applet? For a few days, it's not showing any data anymore. | 12:47 |
| ochosi | astraljava: read the xfce-ml :) | 12:47 |
| astraljava | Hmm... I don't think I'm subscribing that. Thanks! | 12:47 |
| ochosi | np | 12:48 |
| ochosi | but there's a lengthy ongoing discussion there that i don't want to duplicate in irc ;) | 12:48 |
| astraljava | I read it. Interesting. It's been known for almost a month now, and no fix? | 12:56 |
| mr_pouit | (because many plugins are unmaintained) | 13:02 |
| astraljava | Right, okay. I'll see if I have time to look into it. | 13:08 |
| charlie-tca | Good morning from Las Vegas | 16:20 |
| * micahg waves to charlie-tca | 16:21 | |
| micahg | charlie-tca: meeting at 22:00 UTC today | 16:22 |
| GridCube | :D good morning charlie-tca :) | 16:22 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you, micahg | 16:22 |
| charlie-tca | That was the question I was going to ask, too. | 16:22 |
| GridCube | im using a stylus to write :D | 16:23 |
| charlie-tca | I am down here in Las Vegas for another two weeks, so will be erratically on and off IRC | 16:23 |
| charlie-tca | GridCube: great! | 16:23 |
| charlie-tca | How's it working? | 16:23 |
| GridCube | pretty well and fast | 16:23 |
| charlie-tca | big changes coming for testing... | 16:24 |
| charlie-tca | They are re-writing the QA ISO tracker to include daily testing, and will also include hardware, to be sent to Ubuntu Friendly | 16:24 |
| GridCube | but if i rotate the screen all touchScreen gets broken | 16:24 |
| charlie-tca | a bit unstable then? | 16:25 |
| GridCube | what changes? | 16:25 |
| charlie-tca | all broken images must be fixed within 3 hours if possible | 16:25 |
| charlie-tca | use ISO tracker for daily testing | 16:25 |
| GridCube | its unstable if i rotate | 16:25 |
| GridCube | :o the testings have Started? | 16:26 |
| charlie-tca | can't start yet, since the images are broken | 16:26 |
| charlie-tca | but, yes, they built the images already for Precise | 16:27 |
| GridCube | :P yeah well | 16:27 |
| charlie-tca | They should shake things out this week, with real testing starting next week | 16:27 |
| charlie-tca | QA tracker should be ready by December 1 | 16:28 |
| GridCube | charlie-tca, me and madnick have been working on a new totally v | 16:28 |
| GridCube | revamped daily iso testings site | 16:28 |
| GridCube | have you seen the mails? | 16:28 |
| charlie-tca | Yeah, but we will be tracking them on the qa site this cycle, they want all tests in one place now | 16:29 |
| GridCube | :( | 16:29 |
| GridCube | oh | 16:29 |
| charlie-tca | exactly | 16:29 |
| charlie-tca | :( | 16:29 |
| GridCube | all the hard work | 16:29 |
| GridCube | :) well i learned stuff | 16:29 |
| charlie-tca | They took what we had, and what QA had, and combined them | 16:29 |
| GridCube | :) | 16:30 |
| holstein | any arandr users? | 16:35 |
| holstein | GridCube: you suggested it, and it seems to be doing the spanning well, or whatever you want to call it | 16:36 |
| holstein | *not* mirroring | 16:36 |
| holstein | the question is, can it do mirroring? and im just not seeing the setting? | 16:36 |
| GridCube | i do have mirroring :P | 16:37 |
| GridCube | try grandr | 16:37 |
| holstein | GridCube: thanks :) | 16:38 |
| holstein | im looking for the one pacakge to include in ubuntustudio that would do both | 16:38 |
| GridCube | im using it to invert the screen on this netbook, but doing inversions messes whit the pointers | 16:39 |
| holstein | GridCube: hmmm, grandr doesnt seem to be doing anything | 16:44 |
| holstein | any ideas? | 16:44 |
| holstein | MN | 16:44 |
| holstein | nm* | 16:44 |
| holstein | GridCube: i got mirroring | 16:44 |
| GridCube | :) with grandr? | 16:44 |
| holstein | i just had to set it to "auto" | 16:44 |
| holstein | theres a couple checkboxes | 16:45 |
| GridCube | :P i see | 16:45 |
| holstein | the 'off' checkbox | 16:45 |
| holstein | i unchecked that, and expected it to come 'on' ;) | 16:45 |
| GridCube | but when you do that your pointers work? | 16:45 |
| holstein | my mistake... | 16:45 |
| holstein | GridCube: seems OK | 16:45 |
| GridCube | :( | 16:45 |
| holstein | my pointer | 16:45 |
| holstein | im not rotating though | 16:45 |
| holstein | also, 'clone' and 'extend' are greyed out | 16:46 |
| holstein | hmmmm | 16:46 |
| holstein | GridCube: i rotated, and the pointer seemed cool | 16:50 |
| holstein | whats your issue? | 16:50 |
| holstein | i'll see if i can reproduce it | 16:51 |
| GridCube | if i rotate the screen my touchscreen gets inversed inputs | 16:53 |
| holstein | OH... i dont have a touchscreen | 16:54 |
| holstein | i bet thats the deal | 16:54 |
| holstein | drag... | 16:54 |
| GridCube | if i touch the top right corner the pointer clics on the letf lower corner | 16:54 |
| holstein | yeah... something hasnt got passed on to the right place for that yet i bet | 16:54 |
| GridCube | :( | 16:54 |
| GridCube | also the acelerometer doesnt work, so it doesnt autorotates the screen | 16:55 |
| holstein | w0w... those are nearly deal-breaking issues | 16:55 |
| holstein | grandr is a fail | 17:09 |
| holstein | at least with my 7 minutes of testing ;) | 17:09 |
| madnick | holstein: have you created a virtual screen? | 17:10 |
| holstein | not that im aware of madnick | 17:10 |
| holstein | but, whatever it is needs to be a GUI tool | 17:10 |
| holstein | madnick: i got mirroring working fine | 17:11 |
| holstein | but, the other options were greyed out | 17:11 |
| madnick | yup, it can likely not set the resolution | 17:11 |
| GridCube | holstein, and lxrandr? | 17:13 |
| holstein | GridCube: lemme try it.. | 17:14 |
| GridCube | nah | 17:14 |
| GridCube | its even symplier | 17:14 |
| holstein | yeah | 17:14 |
| holstein | seems like it will *only* mirror | 17:15 |
| holstein | its not bad just having 2 tools | 17:15 |
| GridCube | waait | 17:15 |
| holstein | they just need to be labeled | 17:15 |
| GridCube | tell me you have tryed xfce4-display-settings | 17:15 |
| holstein | i dont want to have 'monitor' and 'monitor settings' in the menu | 17:15 |
| holstein | GridCube: im not finding it | 17:17 |
| GridCube | it should be preinstalled | 17:17 |
| GridCube | run it from a terminal :P | 17:17 |
| holstein | yeah... im not finding it | 17:17 |
| GridCube | D: | 17:17 |
| holstein | OH...i found it :) | 17:17 |
| holstein | hmmm | 17:18 |
| holstein | see, maybe its something with this hardware | 17:18 |
| holstein | everything is greyed out here too | 17:18 |
| GridCube | oh | 17:19 |
| GridCube | thats bad | 17:19 |
| GridCube | but thats not the programs fault then | 17:19 |
| holstein | well, maybe | 17:19 |
| holstein | whats it do for you? | 17:19 |
| holstein | ok... i got the greyed out options going | 17:20 |
| holstein | but, it seems it only mirrors :/ | 17:20 |
| GridCube | unset the "auto" | 17:22 |
| holstein | in xfce4-* ? | 17:23 |
| GridCube | or in grandr | 17:23 |
| holstein | yeah... still greyed out for me | 17:26 |
| holstein | not sure... | 17:26 |
| GridCube | dunno | 17:31 |
| GridCube | :) | 17:31 |
| GridCube | well i gotta go | 17:31 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: so our images are uninstallable for the same reason as ubuntu, so nothing for me to fix :) | 18:12 |
| charlie-tca | I couldn't even find the errors in the logs for what is uninstallable | 18:17 |
| charlie-tca | I did figure we start testing about the time I get to Idaho, though. Give it time to shake out | 18:18 |
| micahg | http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/report.html | 18:18 |
| madnick | charlie-tca: could you confirm bug 886401 | 18:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 886401 in gthumb (Ubuntu) "xubuntu gthumb does not set desktop background" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/886401 | 18:18 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: I never even thought to look at that. Thanks :) | 18:20 |
| charlie-tca | madnick: looking | 18:20 |
| madnick | Its not really a bug, its just an enabled extension that is gnome centric | 18:20 |
| charlie-tca | Then it should not be valid for xubuntu? | 18:20 |
| madnick | But nevertheless it does not work in Xubuntu to use it, and its enabled by default :P | 18:20 |
| madnick | Well, it gives xubuntu users the option, but then does not deliver, i can see how that would be frustrating for people using gthumb | 18:22 |
| charlie-tca | will confirm then, and leave open for "metoo"s | 18:22 |
| madnick | thanks :) | 18:22 |
| madnick | bug 883249 is valid aswell, there ought to be a workaround, from what ive seen it overwrites the data in ~/.config/xfce4 | 18:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 883249 in xfce4-session (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu-session not possible after trying Xfce-session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/883249 | 18:28 |
| charlie-tca | workaround for that one is removing ~/.config/xfce4 and restarting | 18:32 |
| madnick | yeah :( | 18:34 |
| charlie-tca | At least there is a workaround, instead of having to reinstall | 18:36 |
| madnick | true :P | 18:38 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, both done | 18:46 |
| madnick | charlie-tca: have you seen what the greeter engine im working on is capable of? :P | 18:48 |
| charlie-tca | no, is it using lightdm? | 18:48 |
| madnick | yes | 18:48 |
| madnick | im working on a rewrite the one used in this video: | 18:48 |
| madnick | http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/gspaceball/ | 18:48 |
| madnick | Basically, it uses my generic engine, then it runs my theme, which in this case is a breakout game :) | 18:49 |
| madnick | "on a rewrite of the one"* :) | 18:49 |
| charlie-tca | neat | 18:50 |
| madnick | :) | 18:50 |
| madnick | atm im sketching on some UML diagrams for the implementation in an object oriented language instead of C | 18:51 |
| charlie-tca | Still seems to be a pain switching from lightdm-gtk-greeter to unity-greeter | 18:52 |
| charlie-tca | and the other way, too. | 18:52 |
| madnick | yes | 18:53 |
| micahg | we should make it so dpkg-reconfigure works | 18:56 |
| charlie-tca | yes | 18:56 |
| charlie-tca | I thought that was being worked for Precise already? | 18:57 |
| * micahg has no idea, should've been done for oneiric | 18:59 | |
| charlie-tca | we ran outof time, we only had the greeter working derivatives for the final | 19:00 |
| charlie-tca | I will be back for the meeting. Need to take a break | 19:26 |
| ochosi | hm, when's the meeting again today? | 19:27 |
| charlie-tca | 22:00 U"TC | 19:27 |
| Unit193 | 22UTC | 19:27 |
| ochosi | ty | 19:27 |
| ochosi | wasn't sure anymore | 19:27 |
| Unit193 | 2 hours, 30 minutes | 19:29 |
| ochosi | :) | 19:29 |
| ochosi | Unit193: are you doing a countdown for me? | 19:30 |
| Unit193 | Might as well :D (But Charlie is far better) | 19:30 |
| ochosi | in fact it'd be nice if ubottu could do reminders for things like meetings or deadlines | 19:31 |
| ochosi | ubottu: can you do that for us? | 19:31 |
| ubottu | ochosi: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 19:31 |
| ochosi | awwh | 19:31 |
| astraljava | Yeah, that's a demanding task alright. No offense to whoever are doing it, of course. | 19:35 |
| Unit193 | ./ubottu is overloaded as it is | 19:36 |
| genii-around | Yep | 19:50 |
| Unit193 | ^^ Would know, it's doing good as it is | 19:51 |
| astraljava | How so? Does it not scale? Is it sitting on a 486SX? | 19:51 |
| genii-around | An old server running 7.04 actually | 19:52 |
| Unit193 | Tracking bans, factoids, packages, bugs... And it's all running on Python (Supybot) | 19:54 |
| astraljava | Surely it's got some timers already, though. It's not like there are millions of meetings. | 19:55 |
| astraljava | But anyway, apologies for the lack of smileys. My initial line was actually a response to ubottus template answer, not towards anyone who maintains it. | 19:56 |
| astraljava | I know sarcasm is lost on the internet. | 19:57 |
| Unit193 | I've actually got a nice clone up, but it's not quite the same | 19:57 |
| astraljava | Why? Wouldn't it serve this purpose excellently? | 19:58 |
| Unit193 | It's not actually running on a server, just a computer that I don't intend to turn off :P | 19:59 |
| astraljava | de-facto server, then | 20:00 |
| Unit193 | Just about, yeah. This best in offtopic? | 20:01 |
| astraljava | Sure, but I'm all done anyway. Joke carried on for too long, from my POV. | 20:01 |
| olbi | hello, meeting is over? | 21:18 |
| astraljava | Hasn't started yet. | 21:19 |
| olbi | wow :D | 21:19 |
| astraljava | in 40 minutes we're a-go. | 21:19 |
| olbi | oh, I have +1 hour :P | 21:20 |
| olbi | forgot that :] | 21:20 |
| astraljava | Yep, DST is over. | 21:20 |
| astraljava | Err... that woulda affected the other way around. Whatever. | 21:26 |
| * micahg hopes a production system that's internet facing isn't running 7.04 | 21:37 | |
| astraljava | Someone likes to live on the edge? | 21:42 |
| charlie-tca | If it is behind a good firefall, does it matter? | 21:42 |
| astraljava | Packet-crafting can penetrate firewalls. | 21:42 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: yes | 21:45 |
| knome | xubuntu community meeting in 15 minutes :) | 21:46 |
| charlie-tca | knome: I only have about an hour I stay around. | 21:48 |
| knome | charlie-tca, let's try to go through all the stuff in that time | 21:48 |
| charlie-tca | You are chairing, should be able to hold it to that. | 21:49 |
| charlie-tca | You can always email me if I miss something | 21:49 |
| astraljava | Yeah, after all, it's not a Studio meeting. | 21:49 |
| Unit193 | It's got Apache/2.2.14 at any rate | 21:49 |
| knome | charlie-tca, and we have the meeting minutes (trying to use meetingology as much as possible now) | 21:52 |
| charlie-tca | um, I think we have always had minutes | 21:52 |
| olbi | :) | 21:53 |
| knome | charlie-tca, yeah, but the #info and stuff | 21:53 |
| knome | charlie-tca, try to create better minutes, so you don't need to read the log at all to see what people talked about | 21:54 |
| knome | hmm. | 21:55 |
| knome | we should give topic editing rights to meetingology later | 21:56 |
| Unit193 | Op, /mode -t | 21:56 |
| knome | that's not too good. | 21:56 |
| knome | everybody can change the topic then | 21:56 |
| Unit193 | Would work for the meeting until you get it changed | 21:57 |
| knome | i suppose you can give topic editing rights for a nick in freenode | 21:57 |
| knome | not so important | 21:57 |
| knome | i'll fix it after the meeting :) | 21:57 |
| knome | charlie-tca, will you give me +votsriRfAF for #xubuntu* ? | 21:58 |
| charlie-tca | You should already have full op there? | 21:59 |
| charlie-tca | what is all that? | 21:59 |
| knome | that gives me "owner" rights | 21:59 |
| knome | which gives me access to modify the access | 21:59 |
| knome | so i don't need to poke you anymore :) | 21:59 |
| knome | #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting | 21:59 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Mon Nov 7 21:59:57 2011 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. | 21:59 |
| meetingology | Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired | 21:59 |
| knome | hey everybody! | 22:00 |
| knome | our agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 22:00 |
| knome | if you say anything during the meeting, you will be counted as participant | 22:01 |
| knome | are we all ready, or does somebody need a minute or two? | 22:01 |
| * madnick is ready | 22:01 | |
| * beardygnome is ready | 22:02 | |
| olbi | we are ready :D | 22:02 |
| knome | okay, great | 22:02 |
| knome | let's start with our agenda then | 22:02 |
| knome | #topic Old Business | 22:02 |
| knome | #subtopic Top 10 FAQ for the new website | 22:02 |
| knome | GridCube seems to be offline, any updates about this? | 22:03 |
| knome | okay, nothing... | 22:03 |
| knome | #subtopic madnick: Build a lightdm greeter | 22:03 |
| madnick | 1 sec | 22:03 |
| charlie-tca | It was waiting for a review only | 22:03 |
| ochosi | pfew, right on time | 22:03 |
| olbi | :P | 22:04 |
| madnick | http://gridcube.netii.net/test.htm | 22:04 |
| knome | charlie-tca, okay, i'll announce that later | 22:04 |
| madnick | o/ | 22:04 |
| knome | madnick, wasn't there an other document too? (go ahead) | 22:04 |
| olbi | so short this top 10 questions :P | 22:05 |
| madnick | oh sorry, yes there is other documents, but this was the one i cound find bookmarked, and for the greeter: | 22:05 |
| knome | https://docs.google.com/a/shimmerproject.org/document/d/1HyhsMPDyyN-mRWRujfZX3JuKX9aWFQPWsxMEiJX99gQ/edit?hl=en&pli=1 | 22:05 |
| madnick | I am working on a redesign of the engine, doing UML design, and reading docs, trying to collect all features possbile to make it modular as possible | 22:05 |
| olbi | ok, I think it should be translated to other langs | 22:06 |
| knome | #info madnick is working on a redesign of the engine, doing UML design, reading docs | 22:06 |
| knome | madnick, you can use #info too | 22:06 |
| madnick | okay :) | 22:06 |
| knome | olbi, let's get back to that later. | 22:06 |
| olbi | knome: ok | 22:06 |
| knome | madnick, is there any draft? | 22:07 |
| knome | madnick, or are we using the old style? | 22:07 |
| madnick | oh, for the acctual theme, i have not done anything | 22:07 |
| knome | okay | 22:07 |
| madnick | Just working to make the engine be able to handle all needs | 22:07 |
| knome | okay | 22:07 |
| knome | you know more about this next week? | 22:07 |
| madnick | yes | 22:08 |
| knome | great | 22:08 |
| olbi | I think, the style is good for xubunt website | 22:08 |
| olbi | but it should has some started guide | 22:08 |
| knome | olbi, are you talking about the website? | 22:09 |
| olbi | for actually supported versions of Xubuntu | 22:09 |
| olbi | knome: yes | 22:09 |
| knome | olbi, can we get back to other subjects later please | 22:09 |
| knome | #subtopic Ristretto as default image viewer | 22:09 |
| olbi | my fault :( | 22:09 |
| knome | comments, anybody? | 22:09 |
| charlie-tca | still buggy? | 22:09 |
| ochosi | i've worked a bit with stephen on ristretto 0.3.0 | 22:09 |
| knome | #info Ristretto has got many updates lately (nearly a complete rewrite) | 22:10 |
| ochosi | i mean mostly in an advisory and testing position | 22:10 |
| knome | ochosi, you too can use #info :) | 22:10 |
| Unit193 | Last I knew you couldn't use arrow keys to browse | 22:10 |
| ochosi | it's working great and as far as i'm concerned a lot more as the user would expect | 22:10 |
| ochosi | yep | 22:10 |
| olbi | are there some packages for ristretto 0.3 for xubuntu? | 22:10 |
| ochosi | that was one of the changes | 22:10 |
| ochosi | no, not yet | 22:10 |
| Unit193 | Great! | 22:10 |
| knome | any blocking stuff? | 22:10 |
| micahg | when it hits testing it'll be syncs | 22:10 |
| micahg | *synd | 22:10 |
| ochosi | # Ristretto has become a lot more stable towards 0.3.0 and at the same time gained new features | 22:11 |
| ochosi | #info Ristretto has become a lot more stable towards 0.3.0 and at the same time gained new features | 22:11 |
| ochosi | what were the blockers again? | 22:11 |
| knome | using thumbnailbar crashed ristretto :P | 22:11 |
| knome | and stuff.. | 22:11 |
| ochosi | right, no, that's not happening at all now | 22:11 |
| knome | yep | 22:11 |
| ochosi | and a thumbnailbar-redesign is underway | 22:11 |
| madnick | Can ristretto handle svg files? | 22:11 |
| ochosi | so that might even happen in time for 12.04 (depending on stephen's bathroom renovation :) ) | 22:12 |
| knome | #info Thumbnailbar problems have been fixed, redesign is in progress | 22:12 |
| knome | ochosi, do you know about ristretto and svg? | 22:12 |
| ochosi | madnick: not sure, will quickly check (i have git-version here), one sec | 22:13 |
| olbi | if not, what imageviewer we choose? | 22:13 |
| knome | gthumb is default now | 22:13 |
| ochosi | gthumb is really something different imo, it's more a manager than a viewer | 22:14 |
| madnick | gthumb has some extensions that wont work with xubuntu enabled by default | 22:14 |
| micahg | well, we shipped both | 22:14 |
| knome | olbi, and anybody is free to create a app comparison spec | 22:14 |
| knome | madnick, yes, but gthumb is default, am i right? :) | 22:14 |
| knome | micahg, ^ | 22:14 |
| madnick | knome: yes | 22:14 |
| knome | yep | 22:14 |
| micahg | idr, I thought it was default for some things | 22:14 |
| ochosi | #info Ristretto can display svg | 22:14 |
| olbi | i use gpicview but it can't handle svg too :( | 22:14 |
| knome | any other comments? | 22:15 |
| olbi | can it go forward with arrows? | 22:15 |
| olbi | to other images? | 22:15 |
| ochosi | olbi: ristretto? | 22:15 |
| olbi | yes | 22:15 |
| ochosi | yes | 22:15 |
| ochosi | it can | 22:15 |
| charlie-tca | Looks to me like we still have some critical bugs in it | 22:15 |
| ochosi | that was one of the improvements | 22:15 |
| olbi | at least :D | 22:15 |
| charlie-tca | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ristretto | 22:15 |
| mr_pouit | +1 with ochosi, I don't think people should see gthumb as a quick viewer (that's ristretto). With gthumb I guess you can manage your photo collection | 22:15 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: are those reports on a more recent version of ristretto? | 22:16 |
| knome | 0.0.93 | 22:16 |
| charlie-tca | I haven't looked at every one to verify the versions | 22:16 |
| knome | at least the hangs | 22:16 |
| micahg | right, it was totally rewritten | 22:16 |
| charlie-tca | each one will need to be tested against the latest version | 22:16 |
| ochosi | those older bugreports most likely don't matter anymore | 22:16 |
| ochosi | but yeah, we can test them | 22:16 |
| knome | ochosi, would you be willing to test those bugs against the new version, and report the outcome? | 22:17 |
| ochosi | i could, but not this week (i'm rather busy) | 22:17 |
| madnick | i could compile it and check it | 22:17 |
| knome | #action ochosi or madnick to test the bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ristretto with the latest version, and report back | 22:17 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ochosi or madnick to test the bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ristretto with the latest version, and report back | 22:17 |
| ochosi | it's not very difficult, you just have to clone, compile it and then run it from the src-dir with "./ristretto" | 22:17 |
| knome | okay good | 22:18 |
| knome | let's continue about this next week when we know more | 22:18 |
| knome | #subtopic "maybe-ubiquity" option | 22:18 |
| knome | what is this? who is the assignee? | 22:18 |
| micahg | knome: you might want to defer that testing until next week when we have 0.3.0 | 22:18 |
| charlie-tca | The project lead/release manager | 22:18 |
| knome | okay | 22:19 |
| knome | #info Will get back to the issue in the next meeting | 22:19 |
| knome | #subtopic Ubuntu moving to 5-year release schedule for LTS | 22:19 |
| charlie-tca | knome: all those lts items were assigned to project lead | 22:19 |
| micahg | knome: I was talking about ristretto not ubiquity | 22:19 |
| knome | micahg, ah... | 22:20 |
| knome | charlie-tca, sure, but i don't know what maybe-ubiquity is from the top of my head so somebody who does should explain it to me first. | 22:20 |
| micahg | should be syncd on the 15/16 | 22:20 |
| knome | so, let's move that to next week too | 22:20 |
| knome | so somebody will have more time to explain it to me :P | 22:20 |
| knome | charlie-tca, what did you gather about the 5-year schedule in UDS? | 22:20 |
| charlie-tca | Xubuntu can choose to have 18 month, three-year, or five-year cycle for Precise. | 22:21 |
| mr_pouit | it's the nice frontendof ubiquity that moves the language and boot selection screen later afaik | 22:21 |
| knome | #info Xubuntu can choose to have 18 month, three-year, or five-year cycle for Precise. | 22:21 |
| charlie-tca | There are now procedures to have Xubuntu designated as an official LTS release. This has the advantage of allowing the cd images to be rebuilt at each point upgrade. | 22:21 |
| knome | #info There are now procedures to have Xubuntu designated as an official LTS release. This has the advantage of allowing the cd images to be rebuilt at each point upgrade. | 22:21 |
| charlie-tca | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/ tells us what we must do to maintain official derivative status. | 22:21 |
| knome | #info https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/ tells us what we must do to maintain official derivative status. | 22:21 |
| charlie-tca | Normally, the project lead is also the release manager for Xubuntu. | 22:22 |
| olbi | should we go to DVDs? | 22:22 |
| charlie-tca | If so, I will notify the appropriate people to keep you informed. | 22:22 |
| charlie-tca | I started a release checklist at | 22:22 |
| charlie-tca | Xubuntu Release Manager - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Development/ReleaseProcess | 22:22 |
| charlie-tca | LTS | 22:22 |
| knome | charlie-tca, can we have some time about this together later this week? | 22:23 |
| charlie-tca | and, lastly, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedDerivatives tells how to become an official derivative, as well as how to gain the LTS designator (last section). | 22:23 |
| charlie-tca | sure | 22:23 |
| knome | great | 22:23 |
| charlie-tca | I will be on and off until about November 24 | 22:23 |
| knome | #info https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedDerivatives tells how to become an official derivative, as well as how to gain the LTS designator (last section). | 22:23 |
| knome | #action Developers to read documents in the URLs linked | 22:24 |
| meetingology | ACTION: Developers to read documents in the URLs linked | 22:24 |
| knome | #action knome and charlie-tca to get around together about this | 22:24 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome and charlie-tca to get around together about this | 22:24 |
| knome | #info Discussion will continue next week | 22:24 |
| knome | #topic Team updates | 22:24 |
| knome | #subtopic Packaging, Development | 22:24 |
| knome | please use '#info blahblah' | 22:25 |
| knome | so we'll get the stuff directly to minutes, and they are easier to pick to the official team reports too | 22:25 |
| knome | micahg, mr_pouit ? | 22:25 |
| mr_pouit | #info Nothing big this week: xfce4-indicator-plugin fixed in oneiric-updates for some open issues, and micahg did some syncs from debian testing | 22:26 |
| knome | that's it? :) | 22:27 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: ooh, scrollwheel-stuff and togglebutton is fixed? | 22:27 |
| mr_pouit | yeah, let me find the bug numbers ;> | 22:27 |
| mr_pouit | Bug #852017 and Bug #879928 | 22:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 852017 in xfce4-indicator-plugin (Ubuntu Oneiric) "xfce4-indicator-plugin does not update output" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/852017 | 22:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 879928 in xfce4-indicator-plugin (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Scrolling the mousewheel over the sound-indicator doesn't adjust the volume" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/879928 | 22:28 |
| ochosi | hm, i have all oneiric updates activated, but it seems i haven't received that update yet... :/ | 22:28 |
| knome | ooh, nice! | 22:28 |
| * ochosi is soo keen to get it | 22:28 | |
| knome | good work :) | 22:28 |
| knome | mr_pouit, you ready? :) | 22:28 |
| mr_pouit | (0.3.1-1ubuntu3.1 is the fixed version. It was accepted 16h ago, so maybe some mirrors haven't updated yet) | 22:29 |
| * ochosi switches to ubuntu.com servers | 22:29 | |
| mr_pouit | knome: that's all, unless micahg has something to add ;-) | 22:29 |
| micahg | nope | 22:29 |
| knome | #subtopic Bug Triage, Testing | 22:29 |
| knome | charlie-tca? :) | 22:30 |
| knome | still pretty quiet for pangolin is it | 22:30 |
| charlie-tca | #info all testing will now be coordinated through the QA ISO tracker, including daily testing | 22:30 |
| Unit193 | Starting tests Nov 24th, correct? | 22:30 |
| charlie-tca | #info New process for images... if you break it, you fix it, and you get 3 hours | 22:30 |
| knome | madnick, want to add a few words about the testing system? | 22:30 |
| charlie-tca | #info we will start our daily testing between 24 and 28 November | 22:31 |
| olbi | cool :) | 22:31 |
| madnick | knome: well, this overrides it, i think? i will still continue developing it, because it may be useful, not sure if gridcube will however | 22:31 |
| knome | right | 22:31 |
| knome | don't know QA ISO tracker, but i suppose it does. | 22:31 |
| knome | anything else from bugs or testing? | 22:32 |
| charlie-tca | I want to thank both GridCube and madnick for their work on the testing setup, but with qa iso tracker, we will not be using it | 22:32 |
| madnick | charlie-tca: "you break it you fix it in 3 hours"? | 22:32 |
| knome | good to have a tool, even if it was not ours | 22:32 |
| charlie-tca | The developer that uploads a broken package will have to fix it, including weekends and off days,. | 22:32 |
| madnick | ohhh | 22:32 |
| charlie-tca | They initial fix time goal is 3 hours | 22:32 |
| ochosi | sounds pretty ambitious | 22:33 |
| knome | i hope this applies to canonical developers too | 22:33 |
| * madnick thought it was about if you broke it while testing :P | 22:33 | |
| knome | does it apply to a package breaking some other package too? | 22:33 |
| charlie-tca | applies to everyone, | 22:33 |
| charlie-tca | They will revert the package if needed to fix the others | 22:33 |
| knome | okay | 22:33 |
| knome | let's hope this works as planned | 22:34 |
| charlie-tca | we all do | 22:34 |
| knome | yep | 22:34 |
| knome | anything else, or shall we continue? | 22:34 |
| charlie-tca | The goal is to have working images, as much as possible | 22:34 |
| charlie-tca | I'm done | 22:34 |
| knome | okay | 22:34 |
| knome | #subtopic Website, Documentation | 22:34 |
| knome | #info Finishing touches are made for the website | 22:35 |
| olbi | we should add starting guide on website for newers :] | 22:35 |
| knome | #info Discussion about website content at the developer mailing list, will give people at least a week to share their ideas and drafts | 22:35 |
| knome | olbi, yes, and we should be getting the Top 10 FAQ online too on our staging site | 22:36 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: confirmed, scrollbar works again over sound-indicator! yay! | 22:36 |
| knome | #action knome will schedule a sprint for the website content review and update next week | 22:37 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome will schedule a sprint for the website content review and update next week | 22:37 |
| knome | #subtopic Marketing, Artwork | 22:37 |
| ochosi | right | 22:38 |
| ochosi | i've mostly done minor tweaks of greybird lately | 22:38 |
| knome | #info madnick works on Plymouth and lightdm to create a nice booting experience; we follow the artistic specification created for Oneiric | 22:38 |
| ochosi | some of you know already | 22:39 |
| ochosi | #info ochosi has created a dark style for xfce4-datetime-plugin http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-11072011-113830pm.php | 22:39 |
| olbi | we need better artworks for apps, in Xubuntu 11.10 when I used FF 7.0 and for examples wordpress plugin "Add images" it doesnt look good :/ | 22:39 |
| ochosi | #info A patched version is available for testing in the shimmer PPA (thanks to mr_pouit). You'll need Greybird from git though. | 22:39 |
| Unit193 | A few combo GTK2/3 themes would be good, IMO | 22:40 |
| ochosi | +1 | 22:40 |
| knome | #info New website needs dynamic content, see the message on developer mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-October/008004.html | 22:40 |
| olbi | only greybird is supported now? | 22:40 |
| ochosi | but who will do them ;) | 22:40 |
| ochosi | olbi: yes, atm it's only greybird... | 22:40 |
| knome | olbi, application specific stuff should mostly go upstream, we don't want to use time fixing other peoples bugs | 22:41 |
| knome | yes, greybird is the only feasible gtk2+3 theme right now | 22:41 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: xfce-look doesn't even have a subpage with them yet, while gnome-look does :/ | 22:41 |
| ochosi | Unit193: well, in fact that makes sense because xfce is still all-gtk2 | 22:41 |
| olbi | i dont like greybird, better is bluebird | 22:41 |
| olbi | but support under 11.10 is poor so use now greybird :] | 22:42 |
| ochosi | doing bluebird's gtk3 won't be too difficult, albatross will a lot more challenging | 22:42 |
| knome | #info Ideas for the new website content, including drafts, should be sent to the developer mailing list, and you can use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Website/Drafts too | 22:42 |
| knome | olbi, ^ about xubuntu/ubuntu/kubuntu diffs etc. | 22:42 |
| ochosi | if any of you feel like supporting me here, that'd be nice | 22:42 |
| knome | i'll help you as much as i can | 22:42 |
| charlie-tca | testing will help, when we can. I can't upgrade to precise until I get to Idaho, though | 22:43 |
| daz1 | I would like to offer my help in any way with themes | 22:43 |
| olbi | ehh, site is working like it is on huge load :/ | 22:43 |
| ochosi | daz1: nice, thanks. let's talk about it after the meeting? | 22:43 |
| knome | olbi, the wiki is always slow, that's why ML is okay too | 22:44 |
| knome | #action Those interested in helping with themes (testing or anything else), contact ochosi | 22:44 |
| meetingology | ACTION: Those interested in helping with themes (testing or anything else), contact ochosi | 22:44 |
| knome | ochosi, anything else you want to add? | 22:44 |
| ochosi | hm, not for now, i guess even greybird needs a few gtk3-fixes | 22:45 |
| knome | okay | 22:45 |
| knome | #topic Announcements | 22:45 |
| knome | #info No (other) announcements. | 22:46 |
| knome | #topic Other Business | 22:46 |
| knome | #subtopic Xubuntu brainstorming day/weekend | 22:46 |
| knome | ochosi, go ahead | 22:46 |
| knome | ochosi, (and please use #info where applicable) | 22:46 |
| ochosi | right | 22:48 |
| ochosi | (and sry for the delay) | 22:48 |
| knome | np | 22:48 |
| ochosi | my idea was develop a – maybe even longish – todo list for precise | 22:49 |
| ochosi | something like a real roadmap | 22:49 |
| ochosi | but basically say: we have until next week to add stuff to that list, and then it's "done" | 22:49 |
| ochosi | "done" obviously excludes bugfixes | 22:49 |
| ochosi | but settle on features we would like to see and then concentrate on those | 22:50 |
| knome | i think this is a good idea | 22:50 |
| ochosi | the way i experienced the last cycles there were always a lot of things coming up late in the cycle | 22:50 |
| charlie-tca | I defer to mr_pouit for that. I think the developers should play an active role | 22:50 |
| ochosi | and this is something that is very strainful – especially for people who are also fixing bugs... | 22:50 |
| knome | i think the whole community should take part | 22:50 |
| ochosi | exactly | 22:50 |
| ochosi | in xfce they have something like that | 22:51 |
| ochosi | they develop a roadmpa | 22:51 |
| ochosi | map | 22:51 |
| ochosi | and then they try to find assignees | 22:51 |
| olbi | yep | 22:51 |
| ochosi | obviously without an assignee a feature isn't going to be implemented | 22:51 |
| olbi | it is very good :) | 22:51 |
| ochosi | but that way we could also "track" what's going on | 22:51 |
| ochosi | finding assignees could happen after the "feature freeze" for the roadmap | 22:51 |
| ochosi | and also items could be dropped, but not added | 22:51 |
| ochosi | (not sure how strict this policy would have to be though, just thinking out loud) | 22:52 |
| charlie-tca | so, basically, you really want blueprints that we did not do for UDS? | 22:52 |
| knome | the reality is most of us can't attend UDS | 22:52 |
| ochosi | yes, but in a more accessible way, e.g. in the wiki | 22:52 |
| knome | and that the things planned in UDS very rarely happen | 22:52 |
| charlie-tca | Why isn't launchpad blueprints fully accessible by everyone? | 22:53 |
| knome | unless you have people that are committed, and it's too easy to promise something in UDS | 22:53 |
| knome | yes, it's a shame we didn't have blueprints for UDS. | 22:53 |
| charlie-tca | actually, the entire Ubuntu distro is built from blueprints that happen at UDS. Xubuntu has only tried to use them one time. | 22:53 |
| knome | the problem is that we had a really weak representation at UDS | 22:53 |
| knome | and those who are there, don't really have time to hang out at IRC | 22:54 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: maybe it's me being used to editing wikis, but i tend to think they're quick and more intuitive to use than launchpad. also: many people don't even know what a "blueprint" is. i have read discussions on irc about that again and again | 22:54 |
| knome | this should be done BEFORE UDS in the next cycle, but it's not possible anymore for pangolin | 22:54 |
| * micahg has to go will check backscroll later | 22:54 | |
| ochosi | but really, i'm not opposing using blueprints as a means to accomplish this | 22:54 |
| ochosi | the main thing is the idea of getting more users involved and collecting more ideas | 22:55 |
| knome | #idea Schedule a daay or two for Xubuntu brainstorming, and create the blueprints for the release during those days | 22:55 |
| charlie-tca | Yes, they should be done before UDS, but they can still be built at this time | 22:55 |
| knome | #info This should be done before UDS in the next cycles, but since we are already late, we will have to stick with this timeframe | 22:55 |
| ochosi | suggestion: we could create a wikipage for starters | 22:56 |
| charlie-tca | It also requires more than just one or two people applying to go to UDS. | 22:56 |
| ochosi | and those ideas that find assignees "become" blueprints | 22:56 |
| knome | #action knome to create a Doodle poll for best days for the majority of contributors so we can see which dates would be the best | 22:56 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome to create a Doodle poll for best days for the majority of contributors so we can see which dates would be the best | 22:56 |
| ochosi | knome: maybe make it more than one day in a row | 22:57 |
| knome | charlie-tca, that's a problem that does beyond the blueprints only | 22:57 |
| knome | ochosi, yes | 22:57 |
| knome | err -only | 22:57 |
| ochosi | any more thoughts on this? | 22:57 |
| knome | #action ochosi to build a wikipage around the idea | 22:57 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ochosi to build a wikipage around the idea | 22:57 |
| olbi | I can help :) | 22:58 |
| ochosi | nice | 22:58 |
| knome | #info Discussion will continue on the mailing list and the following community meetings after the wikipage and the Doodle poll is set | 22:58 |
| knome | #subtopic Contributor check | 22:59 |
| knome | #action knome to send an email about this to the mailing list in the following week | 22:59 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome to send an email about this to the mailing list in the following week | 22:59 |
| knome | #subtopic Meeting times | 22:59 |
| knome | #info Will be discussed at the next meeting. The next meeting is at Sunday, November 13 at 22UTC. | 23:00 |
| knome | #subtopic Any other business | 23:00 |
| knome | anybody? | 23:00 |
| olbi | I dont have now | 23:01 |
| Unit193 | GridCube had this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GridCube/ProposedChanges , but he isn't here so.... | 23:01 |
| knome | okay, any discussion should be continued on the mailing list, or IRC | 23:01 |
| knome | Unit193, let's discuss those when he's online | 23:01 |
| knome | #endmeeting | 23:02 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Nov 7 23:02:02 2011 UTC. | 23:02 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-11-07-21.59.moin.txt | 23:02 |
| knome | thanks. | 23:02 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you, knome | 23:02 |
| knome | tight fit, but we made it in about an hour! :) | 23:02 |
| charlie-tca | will see you later this week here. | 23:02 |
| knome | yep! | 23:02 |
| madnick | knome: ochosi and i talked about making the xscreensaver loginbox prettier | 23:03 |
| knome | okay | 23:03 |
| knome | i'll be back really soon | 23:03 |
| beardygnome | madnick: that's a great idea | 23:03 |
| madnick | :) | 23:04 |
| beardygnome | i use gnome-screensaver atm because xscreensaver looks so bad | 23:04 |
| ochosi | beardygnome: yeah, problem is: you have to edit the source because it doesn't support theming | 23:04 |
| ochosi | but if we do it might turn out to be nice, who knows | 23:04 |
| ochosi | personally i'd try not to make it too xubuntu-specific (in terms of looks) so that other people/distros/DEs can use it as well | 23:05 |
| beardygnome | ochosi: sounds good | 23:07 |
| knome | madnick, yeah, ++ | 23:08 |
| ochosi | madnick: i'm about to revamp the Roadmap page, would you mind adding your stuff there? | 23:08 |
| knome | i will be updating the meeting minutes, will read stuff after that again | 23:08 |
| madnick | ochosi: not sure what that means :P | 23:09 |
| ochosi | madnick: hehe, i'll ping you again when the page is ready ;) | 23:09 |
| madnick | okay | 23:09 |
| madnick | :D | 23:09 |
| madnick | sounds good | 23:09 |
| ochosi | madnick: ok, i think i'll save the page now, you can add a few things yourself then | 23:17 |
| ochosi | madnick: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap | 23:18 |
| madnick | ochosi: i should add what im working on? | 23:22 |
| ochosi | madnick: yes, you could add what you plan for precise | 23:22 |
| madnick | oh okay :) | 23:23 |
| madnick | sure | 23:23 |
| olbi | if it is need I could some times checked Xubuntu on laptops | 23:27 |
| madnick | ochosi: i probably failed at updating that page properly | 23:28 |
| ochosi | madnick: hmm, try again? :) | 23:29 |
| madnick | ochosi: no, it updated, but im not sure it supposed to look like i made it :P | 23:29 |
| madnick | I created a new big headline | 23:29 |
| madnick | and added to themes | 23:30 |
| olbi | is it possible to translate that page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu to another language? | 23:30 |
| knome | ochosi, the website at xubuntu.org will be translatable later | 23:30 |
| olbi | midori sux, it shouldn't be | 23:30 |
| ochosi | madnick: it looks ok, but i'd make the "software development" header === instead of == | 23:30 |
| madnick | okay thanks | 23:31 |
| olbi | i prefer staying with thunderbird, claws mail on early development | 23:31 |
| olbi | but in office, we should add LibreOffice, so much ppl are known this | 23:32 |
| ochosi | olbi: this is not issues i'd like to discuss *here* and *now*, but things that need careful assessment (=application comparison) | 23:32 |
| olbi | ok, ok :) | 23:32 |
| ochosi | without that, i couldn't care less about peoples arguments. there are almost as many arguments for and against a specific app as there are people (and usecases ;) ) | 23:32 |
| olbi | ok, so could you add LibreOffice to this page? | 23:32 |
| knome | i doubt libreoffice will be installed by default, but yes, you can add that. | 23:33 |
| ochosi | olbi: you can even do that yourself ;) | 23:33 |
| knome | somebody needs to be the assignee in driving the change though | 23:33 |
| olbi | I can edit :D | 23:33 |
| ochosi | exactly, maybe i should add a disclaimer: "Without an assignee, the proposed changes are not worth the piece of virtual paper they are written on." | 23:34 |
| ochosi | ok, one quick note on the roadmap page: please create sublists for every *type* of application | 23:45 |
| ochosi | i can't see why empathy and filezilla should be compared to each other | 23:45 |
| ochosi | (i.e. make a sublist "instant messaging") | 23:46 |
| olbi | oh, ok :) | 23:46 |
| ochosi | theoretically we can also structure it like the application menu, that would mean "web-browsers" would become a sublist of "Internet" | 23:47 |
| ochosi | personally i don't mind, as long as it's clear and consistent | 23:47 |
| knome | also, please don't add just everything in the page... the page comes meaningless if you list every possible application | 23:47 |
| knome | only add those you really would like to see, and possibly also be the assignee in writing a blueprint, and working for it | 23:47 |
| ochosi | +1 | 23:47 |
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