=== jussio1 is now known as jussi [10:34] Hello all [10:34] hello [10:34] micahg: has the Ubuntu Security Team reached a decision about this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/884252 [10:34] Launchpad bug 884252 in sun-java6 (Ubuntu) "Oracle (Sun) Java JRE urgently needs security update" [Undecided,Confirmed] [12:47] Anyone using the weather applet? For a few days, it's not showing any data anymore. [12:47] astraljava: read the xfce-ml :) [12:47] Hmm... I don't think I'm subscribing that. Thanks! [12:48] np [12:48] but there's a lengthy ongoing discussion there that i don't want to duplicate in irc ;) [12:56] I read it. Interesting. It's been known for almost a month now, and no fix? [13:02] (because many plugins are unmaintained) [13:08] Right, okay. I'll see if I have time to look into it. [16:20] Good morning from Las Vegas [16:21] * micahg waves to charlie-tca [16:22] charlie-tca: meeting at 22:00 UTC today [16:22] :D good morning charlie-tca :) [16:22] Thank you, micahg [16:22] That was the question I was going to ask, too. [16:23] im using a stylus to write :D [16:23] I am down here in Las Vegas for another two weeks, so will be erratically on and off IRC [16:23] GridCube: great! [16:23] How's it working? [16:23] pretty well and fast [16:24] big changes coming for testing... [16:24] They are re-writing the QA ISO tracker to include daily testing, and will also include hardware, to be sent to Ubuntu Friendly [16:24] but if i rotate the screen all touchScreen gets broken [16:25] a bit unstable then? [16:25] what changes? [16:25] all broken images must be fixed within 3 hours if possible [16:25] use ISO tracker for daily testing [16:25] its unstable if i rotate [16:26] :o the testings have Started? [16:26] can't start yet, since the images are broken [16:27] but, yes, they built the images already for Precise [16:27] :P yeah well [16:27] They should shake things out this week, with real testing starting next week [16:28] QA tracker should be ready by December 1 [16:28] charlie-tca, me and madnick have been working on a new totally v [16:28] revamped daily iso testings site [16:28] have you seen the mails? [16:29] Yeah, but we will be tracking them on the qa site this cycle, they want all tests in one place now [16:29] :( [16:29] oh [16:29] exactly [16:29] :( [16:29] all the hard work [16:29] :) well i learned stuff [16:29] They took what we had, and what QA had, and combined them [16:30] :) [16:35] any arandr users? [16:36] GridCube: you suggested it, and it seems to be doing the spanning well, or whatever you want to call it [16:36] *not* mirroring [16:36] the question is, can it do mirroring? and im just not seeing the setting? [16:37] i do have mirroring :P [16:37] try grandr [16:38] GridCube: thanks :) [16:38] im looking for the one pacakge to include in ubuntustudio that would do both [16:39] im using it to invert the screen on this netbook, but doing inversions messes whit the pointers [16:44] GridCube: hmmm, grandr doesnt seem to be doing anything [16:44] any ideas? [16:44] MN [16:44] nm* [16:44] GridCube: i got mirroring [16:44] :) with grandr? [16:44] i just had to set it to "auto" [16:45] theres a couple checkboxes [16:45] :P i see [16:45] the 'off' checkbox [16:45] i unchecked that, and expected it to come 'on' ;) [16:45] but when you do that your pointers work? [16:45] my mistake... [16:45] GridCube: seems OK [16:45] :( [16:45] my pointer [16:45] im not rotating though [16:46] also, 'clone' and 'extend' are greyed out [16:46] hmmmm [16:50] GridCube: i rotated, and the pointer seemed cool [16:50] whats your issue? [16:51] i'll see if i can reproduce it [16:53] if i rotate the screen my touchscreen gets inversed inputs [16:54] OH... i dont have a touchscreen [16:54] i bet thats the deal [16:54] drag... [16:54] if i touch the top right corner the pointer clics on the letf lower corner [16:54] yeah... something hasnt got passed on to the right place for that yet i bet [16:54] :( [16:55] also the acelerometer doesnt work, so it doesnt autorotates the screen [16:55] w0w... those are nearly deal-breaking issues [17:09] grandr is a fail [17:09] at least with my 7 minutes of testing ;) [17:10] holstein: have you created a virtual screen? [17:10] not that im aware of madnick [17:10] but, whatever it is needs to be a GUI tool [17:11] madnick: i got mirroring working fine [17:11] but, the other options were greyed out [17:11] yup, it can likely not set the resolution [17:13] holstein, and lxrandr? [17:14] GridCube: lemme try it.. [17:14] nah [17:14] its even symplier [17:14] yeah [17:15] seems like it will *only* mirror [17:15] its not bad just having 2 tools [17:15] waait [17:15] they just need to be labeled [17:15] tell me you have tryed xfce4-display-settings [17:15] i dont want to have 'monitor' and 'monitor settings' in the menu [17:17] GridCube: im not finding it [17:17] it should be preinstalled [17:17] run it from a terminal :P [17:17] yeah... im not finding it [17:17] D: [17:17] OH...i found it :) [17:18] hmmm [17:18] see, maybe its something with this hardware [17:18] everything is greyed out here too [17:19] oh [17:19] thats bad [17:19] but thats not the programs fault then [17:19] well, maybe [17:19] whats it do for you? [17:20] ok... i got the greyed out options going [17:20] but, it seems it only mirrors :/ [17:22] unset the "auto" [17:23] in xfce4-* ? [17:23] or in grandr [17:26] yeah... still greyed out for me [17:26] not sure... [17:31] dunno [17:31] :) [17:31] well i gotta go [18:12] charlie-tca: so our images are uninstallable for the same reason as ubuntu, so nothing for me to fix :) [18:17] I couldn't even find the errors in the logs for what is uninstallable [18:18] I did figure we start testing about the time I get to Idaho, though. Give it time to shake out [18:18] http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/report.html [18:18] charlie-tca: could you confirm bug 886401 [18:18] Launchpad bug 886401 in gthumb (Ubuntu) "xubuntu gthumb does not set desktop background" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/886401 [18:20] micahg: I never even thought to look at that. Thanks :) [18:20] madnick: looking [18:20] Its not really a bug, its just an enabled extension that is gnome centric [18:20] Then it should not be valid for xubuntu? [18:20] But nevertheless it does not work in Xubuntu to use it, and its enabled by default :P [18:22] Well, it gives xubuntu users the option, but then does not deliver, i can see how that would be frustrating for people using gthumb [18:22] will confirm then, and leave open for "metoo"s [18:22] thanks :) [18:28] bug 883249 is valid aswell, there ought to be a workaround, from what ive seen it overwrites the data in ~/.config/xfce4 [18:28] Launchpad bug 883249 in xfce4-session (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu-session not possible after trying Xfce-session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/883249 [18:32] workaround for that one is removing ~/.config/xfce4 and restarting [18:34] yeah :( [18:36] At least there is a workaround, instead of having to reinstall [18:38] true :P [18:46] Okay, both done [18:48] charlie-tca: have you seen what the greeter engine im working on is capable of? :P [18:48] no, is it using lightdm? [18:48] yes [18:48] im working on a rewrite the one used in this video: [18:48] http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/gspaceball/ [18:49] Basically, it uses my generic engine, then it runs my theme, which in this case is a breakout game :) [18:49] "on a rewrite of the one"* :) [18:50] neat [18:50] :) [18:51] atm im sketching on some UML diagrams for the implementation in an object oriented language instead of C [18:52] Still seems to be a pain switching from lightdm-gtk-greeter to unity-greeter [18:52] and the other way, too. [18:53] yes [18:56] we should make it so dpkg-reconfigure works [18:56] yes [18:57] I thought that was being worked for Precise already? [18:59] * micahg has no idea, should've been done for oneiric [19:00] we ran outof time, we only had the greeter working derivatives for the final [19:26] I will be back for the meeting. Need to take a break [19:27] hm, when's the meeting again today? [19:27] 22:00 U"TC [19:27] 22UTC [19:27] ty [19:27] wasn't sure anymore [19:29] 2 hours, 30 minutes [19:29] :) [19:30] Unit193: are you doing a countdown for me? [19:30] Might as well :D (But Charlie is far better) [19:31] in fact it'd be nice if ubottu could do reminders for things like meetings or deadlines [19:31] ubottu: can you do that for us? [19:31] ochosi: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [19:31] awwh [19:35] Yeah, that's a demanding task alright. No offense to whoever are doing it, of course. [19:36] ./ubottu is overloaded as it is [19:50] Yep [19:51] ^^ Would know, it's doing good as it is [19:51] How so? Does it not scale? Is it sitting on a 486SX? [19:52] An old server running 7.04 actually [19:54] Tracking bans, factoids, packages, bugs... And it's all running on Python (Supybot) [19:55] Surely it's got some timers already, though. It's not like there are millions of meetings. [19:56] But anyway, apologies for the lack of smileys. My initial line was actually a response to ubottus template answer, not towards anyone who maintains it. [19:57] I know sarcasm is lost on the internet. [19:57] I've actually got a nice clone up, but it's not quite the same [19:58] Why? Wouldn't it serve this purpose excellently? [19:59] It's not actually running on a server, just a computer that I don't intend to turn off :P [20:00] de-facto server, then [20:01] Just about, yeah. This best in offtopic? [20:01] Sure, but I'm all done anyway. Joke carried on for too long, from my POV. [21:18] hello, meeting is over? [21:19] Hasn't started yet. [21:19] wow :D [21:19] in 40 minutes we're a-go. [21:20] oh, I have +1 hour :P [21:20] forgot that :] [21:20] Yep, DST is over. [21:26] Err... that woulda affected the other way around. Whatever. [21:37] * micahg hopes a production system that's internet facing isn't running 7.04 [21:42] Someone likes to live on the edge? [21:42] If it is behind a good firefall, does it matter? [21:42] Packet-crafting can penetrate firewalls. [21:45] charlie-tca: yes [21:46] xubuntu community meeting in 15 minutes :) [21:48] knome: I only have about an hour I stay around. [21:48] charlie-tca, let's try to go through all the stuff in that time [21:49] You are chairing, should be able to hold it to that. [21:49] You can always email me if I miss something [21:49] Yeah, after all, it's not a Studio meeting. [21:49] It's got Apache/2.2.14 at any rate [21:52] charlie-tca, and we have the meeting minutes (trying to use meetingology as much as possible now) [21:52] um, I think we have always had minutes [21:53] :) [21:53] charlie-tca, yeah, but the #info and stuff [21:54] charlie-tca, try to create better minutes, so you don't need to read the log at all to see what people talked about [21:55] hmm. [21:56] we should give topic editing rights to meetingology later [21:56] Op, /mode -t [21:56] that's not too good. [21:56] everybody can change the topic then [21:57] Would work for the meeting until you get it changed [21:57] i suppose you can give topic editing rights for a nick in freenode [21:57] not so important [21:57] i'll fix it after the meeting :) [21:58] charlie-tca, will you give me +votsriRfAF for #xubuntu* ? [21:59] You should already have full op there? [21:59] what is all that? [21:59] that gives me "owner" rights [21:59] which gives me access to modify the access [21:59] so i don't need to poke you anymore :) [21:59] #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting [21:59] Meeting started Mon Nov 7 21:59:57 2011 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [21:59] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [22:00] hey everybody! [22:00] our agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [22:01] if you say anything during the meeting, you will be counted as participant [22:01] are we all ready, or does somebody need a minute or two? [22:01] * madnick is ready [22:02] * beardygnome is ready [22:02] we are ready :D [22:02] okay, great [22:02] let's start with our agenda then [22:02] #topic Old Business [22:02] #subtopic Top 10 FAQ for the new website [22:03] GridCube seems to be offline, any updates about this? [22:03] okay, nothing... [22:03] #subtopic madnick: Build a lightdm greeter [22:03] 1 sec [22:03] It was waiting for a review only [22:03] pfew, right on time [22:04] :P [22:04] http://gridcube.netii.net/test.htm [22:04] charlie-tca, okay, i'll announce that later [22:04] o/ [22:04] madnick, wasn't there an other document too? (go ahead) [22:05] so short this top 10 questions :P [22:05] oh sorry, yes there is other documents, but this was the one i cound find bookmarked, and for the greeter: [22:05] https://docs.google.com/a/shimmerproject.org/document/d/1HyhsMPDyyN-mRWRujfZX3JuKX9aWFQPWsxMEiJX99gQ/edit?hl=en&pli=1 [22:05] I am working on a redesign of the engine, doing UML design, and reading docs, trying to collect all features possbile to make it modular as possible [22:06] ok, I think it should be translated to other langs [22:06] #info madnick is working on a redesign of the engine, doing UML design, reading docs [22:06] madnick, you can use #info too [22:06] okay :) [22:06] olbi, let's get back to that later. [22:06] knome: ok [22:07] madnick, is there any draft? [22:07] madnick, or are we using the old style? [22:07] oh, for the acctual theme, i have not done anything [22:07] okay [22:07] Just working to make the engine be able to handle all needs [22:07] okay [22:07] you know more about this next week? [22:08] yes [22:08] great [22:08] I think, the style is good for xubunt website [22:08] but it should has some started guide [22:09] olbi, are you talking about the website? [22:09] for actually supported versions of Xubuntu [22:09] knome: yes [22:09] olbi, can we get back to other subjects later please [22:09] #subtopic Ristretto as default image viewer [22:09] my fault :( [22:09] comments, anybody? [22:09] still buggy? [22:09] i've worked a bit with stephen on ristretto 0.3.0 [22:10] #info Ristretto has got many updates lately (nearly a complete rewrite) [22:10] i mean mostly in an advisory and testing position [22:10] ochosi, you too can use #info :) [22:10] Last I knew you couldn't use arrow keys to browse [22:10] it's working great and as far as i'm concerned a lot more as the user would expect [22:10] yep [22:10] are there some packages for ristretto 0.3 for xubuntu? [22:10] that was one of the changes [22:10] no, not yet [22:10] Great! [22:10] any blocking stuff? [22:10] when it hits testing it'll be syncs [22:10] *synd [22:11] # Ristretto has become a lot more stable towards 0.3.0 and at the same time gained new features [22:11] #info Ristretto has become a lot more stable towards 0.3.0 and at the same time gained new features [22:11] what were the blockers again? [22:11] using thumbnailbar crashed ristretto :P [22:11] and stuff.. [22:11] right, no, that's not happening at all now [22:11] yep [22:11] and a thumbnailbar-redesign is underway [22:11] Can ristretto handle svg files? [22:12] so that might even happen in time for 12.04 (depending on stephen's bathroom renovation :) ) [22:12] #info Thumbnailbar problems have been fixed, redesign is in progress [22:12] ochosi, do you know about ristretto and svg? [22:13] madnick: not sure, will quickly check (i have git-version here), one sec [22:13] if not, what imageviewer we choose? [22:13] gthumb is default now [22:14] gthumb is really something different imo, it's more a manager than a viewer [22:14] gthumb has some extensions that wont work with xubuntu enabled by default [22:14] well, we shipped both [22:14] olbi, and anybody is free to create a app comparison spec [22:14] madnick, yes, but gthumb is default, am i right? :) [22:14] micahg, ^ [22:14] knome: yes [22:14] yep [22:14] idr, I thought it was default for some things [22:14] #info Ristretto can display svg [22:14] i use gpicview but it can't handle svg too :( [22:15] any other comments? [22:15] can it go forward with arrows? [22:15] to other images? [22:15] olbi: ristretto? [22:15] yes [22:15] yes [22:15] it can [22:15] Looks to me like we still have some critical bugs in it [22:15] that was one of the improvements [22:15] at least :D [22:15] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ristretto [22:15] +1 with ochosi, I don't think people should see gthumb as a quick viewer (that's ristretto). With gthumb I guess you can manage your photo collection [22:16] charlie-tca: are those reports on a more recent version of ristretto? [22:16] 0.0.93 [22:16] I haven't looked at every one to verify the versions [22:16] at least the hangs [22:16] right, it was totally rewritten [22:16] each one will need to be tested against the latest version [22:16] those older bugreports most likely don't matter anymore [22:16] but yeah, we can test them [22:17] ochosi, would you be willing to test those bugs against the new version, and report the outcome? [22:17] i could, but not this week (i'm rather busy) [22:17] i could compile it and check it [22:17] #action ochosi or madnick to test the bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ristretto with the latest version, and report back [22:17] ACTION: ochosi or madnick to test the bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ristretto with the latest version, and report back [22:17] it's not very difficult, you just have to clone, compile it and then run it from the src-dir with "./ristretto" [22:18] okay good [22:18] let's continue about this next week when we know more [22:18] #subtopic "maybe-ubiquity" option [22:18] what is this? who is the assignee? [22:18] knome: you might want to defer that testing until next week when we have 0.3.0 [22:18] The project lead/release manager [22:19] okay [22:19] #info Will get back to the issue in the next meeting [22:19] #subtopic Ubuntu moving to 5-year release schedule for LTS [22:19] knome: all those lts items were assigned to project lead [22:19] knome: I was talking about ristretto not ubiquity [22:20] micahg, ah... [22:20] charlie-tca, sure, but i don't know what maybe-ubiquity is from the top of my head so somebody who does should explain it to me first. [22:20] should be syncd on the 15/16 [22:20] so, let's move that to next week too [22:20] so somebody will have more time to explain it to me :P [22:20] charlie-tca, what did you gather about the 5-year schedule in UDS? [22:21] Xubuntu can choose to have 18 month, three-year, or five-year cycle for Precise. [22:21] it's the nice frontendof ubiquity that moves the language and boot selection screen later afaik [22:21] #info Xubuntu can choose to have 18 month, three-year, or five-year cycle for Precise. [22:21] There are now procedures to have Xubuntu designated as an official LTS release. This has the advantage of allowing the cd images to be rebuilt at each point upgrade. [22:21] #info There are now procedures to have Xubuntu designated as an official LTS release. This has the advantage of allowing the cd images to be rebuilt at each point upgrade. [22:21] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/ tells us what we must do to maintain official derivative status. [22:21] #info https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/ tells us what we must do to maintain official derivative status. [22:22] Normally, the project lead is also the release manager for Xubuntu. [22:22] should we go to DVDs? [22:22] If so, I will notify the appropriate people to keep you informed. [22:22] I started a release checklist at [22:22] Xubuntu Release Manager - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Development/ReleaseProcess [22:22] LTS [22:23] charlie-tca, can we have some time about this together later this week? [22:23] and, lastly, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedDerivatives tells how to become an official derivative, as well as how to gain the LTS designator (last section). [22:23] sure [22:23] great [22:23] I will be on and off until about November 24 [22:23] #info https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedDerivatives tells how to become an official derivative, as well as how to gain the LTS designator (last section). [22:24] #action Developers to read documents in the URLs linked [22:24] ACTION: Developers to read documents in the URLs linked [22:24] #action knome and charlie-tca to get around together about this [22:24] ACTION: knome and charlie-tca to get around together about this [22:24] #info Discussion will continue next week [22:24] #topic Team updates [22:24] #subtopic Packaging, Development [22:25] please use '#info blahblah' [22:25]