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GremuchnikHey friends!  My weather applet on the top panel stopped working.  I changed cities, but they all have "no data".  Did that happen to anybody else here?  Is there a fix?  Thanks!00:02
Gremuchnikor has weather.com discontinued providing data for it?00:03
well_laid_lawnI heard something about weather.com doing that00:04
GremuchnikОК00:04
GremuchnikI guess I will have to add a GNOME applet to my XFCE panel then as GNOME has some non weather.com applet, iirc00:05
MarionVwell_laid_lawn, do you know how to remove a kernel i cant figure it out00:08
well_laid_lawnMarionV: uninstall it from the package manager usually works00:09
MarionVwhat do i look for?00:09
well_laid_lawnin installed packages kernel or linux00:10
Gremuchniksorry, what is the thingie which I need to install to get GNOME applets on an XFCE panel?00:11
knomexfapplet00:12
Gremuchnikthanks00:13
MarionVwell_laid_lawn, is the header files i remove?00:14
well_laid_lawnMarionV: there should be a kernel to go with the header files00:14
MarionVok i found it sucks that i have to remove 3.0.000:15
well_laid_lawnwhy do you have to remove it?00:15
MarionVit wont work with my ati radeon 955000:16
well_laid_lawnk ;)00:16
MarionVit sucks wont boot at all00:17
well_laid_lawnyou probably need a kernel boot option for it00:17
MarionVi know nothing about doing that00:17
well_laid_lawnwon't boot or the screen goes blank?00:17
MarionVeither blank or the blinking cursor00:17
well_laid_lawnI'm about to put one of those cards in a comp so lets see what we can find out about it00:19
MarionVok im gonna sign back in on my andro irc incase you need me to reboot00:21
well_laid_lawnthere's nothing in the first few pages of google about it - using the opensource driver?00:24
MarionVBack00:25
well_laid_lawnthere's nothing in the first few pages of google about it - using the opensource driver?00:26
MarionVYup00:26
well_laid_lawnk00:26
w30My desktop icons (*.desktop files,launchers whatever you call them) are jumping all over the place on each login. Is there any way to glue them down?00:31
knomew30, use a wood glue a good 5mm thick layer, and let dry for two hours at least before booting00:31
well_laid_lawnMarionV: you could try adding   nomodeset    to the kernel line in grub to see if it improves00:31
w30xfce4 and compiz00:31
w30knome, what about gray pad tape?00:32
knomew30, won't work with icons00:32
MarionVExplain please00:33
w30gray pad tape works south of the Mason-Dixon Line though.00:34
well_laid_lawnMarionV: at the grub menu select the kernel you want to boot and press e to edit - go down to the kernel line and press e again - move to the end of the line and add   nomodeset   then press b to boot00:34
knomeoff for today, see you later00:35
w30knome, have a good one00:36
knomewill do00:36
MarionVOk i will try00:43
MarionVWell that worked00:51
MarionVHow do I make that permanent00:52
well_laid_lawnMarionV: you need to edit /etc/default/grub and run update-grub00:53
well_laid_lawn!grub00:53
ubottuGRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)00:53
well_laid_lawnadd nomodeset to the end of the line with "quiet splash" at the end00:54
MarionVIt says can't open file to write00:56
well_laid_lawnyou'll need to use   gksu mousepad /etc/default/grub00:56
well_laid_lawn!gksu00:56
ubottuIf you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)00:56
methylenedioxyHas anyone experienced Qt3/Qt4 apps hanging or forcing a restart of X? From the erros I can get they seem to be putting X in an infinite loop and it runs out of memory. It only happens when I build Xfce from git, but everything non-Qt works fine--maybe some dependency that's pulled in is causing it?02:24
birdy007how come xubuntu login screen isn't the same as ubuntu's02:40
zenroxno idea and i dont like it02:40
zenroxeither02:40
birdy007can i change it02:41
well_laid_lawnit's lightdm instaed of gdm02:42
methylenedioxyYou can install gdm and pick it by doing dpkg-reconfigure lightdm02:42
well_laid_lawnwhat does methylenedioxy do ?02:42
methylenedioxy?02:42
methylenedioxyThe MD in MDMA :302:43
well_laid_lawnhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylenedioxy02:43
methylenedioxyI'm a chemist02:44
methylenedioxy(Licit)02:44
well_laid_lawnheh02:44
birdy007theirs also mda02:44
zacariaswhat's the command for "killing" a rtunning application?03:17
psycho_oreospkill, kill, killall03:18
zacariaspsycho_oreos: tx03:20
w30m/part03:42
chrstphrhrthmm can't for the life of me figure out how to get horizontal scrolling with my touchpad working in 11.10.. ideas?03:54
well_laid_lawnI have   Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "on"   in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-synaptics.conf file03:55
chrstphrhrtcool thanks will give that a try03:57
well_laid_lawnI found this a good resource - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Synaptics03:59
xubuntu715Quick noob question: On a system like an eee pc, would xubuntu generally run faster than ubuntu?04:04
methylenedioxyGenerally yes if you're using Gnome2, I haven't tried Unity or Gnome304:06
methylenedioxyGnome2 in Ubuntu*04:06
methylenedioxyLXDE is slightly snappier on my Atom netbook but it's frustrating to use04:06
mikodoHi, has anyone written a "xubuntu how to" or an extensive guide, such as what see so much with Ubuntu; archlinux; debian ... hmm maybe I should look for XFCE guides???04:08
xubuntu715thanks04:08
xubuntu715I tried both live on a usb drive/sd card04:09
xubuntu715xubuntu seemed faster04:09
chrstphrhrtwell_laid_lawn, hmm tried creating /etx/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-syntaptics.conf (or whatever that file was you suggested) with the setting you said and restarted but then X wouldn't start04:10
well_laid_lawnchrstphrhrt: you shouldn't have needed to make it04:10
well_laid_lawnit should have already been there04:11
chrstphrhrtyeah which was weird04:11
chrstphrhrtthere was not even a xorg.conf.d folder at all04:11
mikodoNo extensive guides? Someone within the know and with the time should write one; what with all the new interest in Xubuntu; and before you  suggest I I see a need; do it myself; I am not within the know :)04:16
well_laid_lawnchrstphrhrt: is there that file in /usr/share/X11 ?04:17
chrstphrhrtwell_laid_lawn, oh interesting i have a /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf04:18
well_laid_lawnsame here - I had to boot my xubuntu vm to check04:18
well_laid_lawnthe X log should say it is using that dir for the configs04:19
chrstphrhrtso you think adding  Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "on" should do the trick?04:19
chrstphrhrtoh yeah log04:19
mikodoWell, I checked with Arch: I will add this to my XFCE list: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xfce04:19
well_laid_lawnyep it should - I would check what other options there are and just edit it once04:20
chrstphrhrtwell_laid_lawn, thanks that worked04:24
well_laid_lawncheers04:24
mikodoI do think an Xubuntu resource page, would be helpful for new folks; if only, to provide links to resources from other sources that could be helpful in configuring XFCE.04:26
mikodoJust me musing, I guess... See ya!04:27
MarionVwell_laid_lawn, hey man so this is what i get when i ran update-grub "/etc/default/grub: 11: nomodeset: not found04:29
MarionV"04:29
well_laid_lawnMarionV: sounds like you didn't edit the file right04:30
well_laid_lawncan you paste the file?04:30
well_laid_lawn!paste04:30
ubottuFor posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.04:31
MarionVyou said i was suppose to put nomodeset right after the quiet splash right04:31
well_laid_lawnyep04:31
well_laid_lawnon the same line04:31
well_laid_lawnso   quiet splash nomodeset04:31
MarionVhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/730671/04:31
methylenedioxywhat gpu?04:32
MarionVhuh?04:32
methylenedioxyNevermind, I was thinking you needed someting else but it's only for i91504:32
well_laid_lawnthe nomodeset should be in the " with the quiet splash04:33
well_laid_lawnso   "quiet splash nomodeset"04:33
MarionVoh ok04:34
well_laid_lawn:)04:35
MarionVso my kernel is missing http://paste.ubuntu.com/730672/04:36
MarionVwell_laid_lawn, what is the terminal command to update my kernel?04:39
well_laid_lawnthe linux image's are the kernels04:40
MarionVand i have 3.0.0 installed but it does not show it on that output i pasted04:40
well_laid_lawnyou sure it is installed? the image is in /boot?04:41
MarionVfor some reason no but they show in the software center04:42
well_laid_lawnif it's not in /boot it won't be found by os-prober04:43
MarionVhow do i fix this04:44
well_laid_lawnI've never had that issue04:46
well_laid_lawnI just use apt on the command line04:46
well_laid_lawnhit the reload button maybe04:48
MarionVone day i will stop asking stupid questions04:48
MarionVwhat do i do04:48
well_laid_lawnMarionV: did you hit the reload button?04:49
MarionVwell_laid_lawn, yeah still nothing04:49
MarionVwhat do i need to type for the apt04:49
well_laid_lawnsudo apt-get update   is the best start04:50
MarionVok did that and then reloaded04:52
MarionVis there an apt to install the kernal04:52
well_laid_lawnapt-cache search linux   to find the one you want04:53
well_laid_lawnthe sudo apt-get install linux-versionyouwanthere04:53
MarionVSo it would appear that nomodeset did not work after all05:31
zonhowdy!07:58
ballhello zon08:05
puffHm, looks like some funkiness with sound.08:10
puffNot sure if thats oneric or xubuntu.08:10
zonCan anyone tell me, how to get size of multiple folders in Thunar?)08:10
zonDo I need to write special script?)08:12
puffI was playing some youtube videos earlier, the sound worked okay.  Suspended to ram, reopened just now, no sound from my videos. or from banshee (rhythmbox seems to have disappeared in xubuntu).08:13
Sysipulseaudio -k08:14
TheSheepzon: I would just use baobab or du from the command line08:17
zonhm08:17
zonTheSheep: me too08:18
zonbut It's wrong way08:19
SysiI think thunar has some lackness in that08:20
* zon is going to learn C to implement this feature :))08:37
tjingboemin the terminal my computer has a very long name09:07
tjingboemmenno@menno-Sheeks-Northwood-Brookdale-Customer-Reference-Board:~$09:07
tjingboemcan i make it shorter09:07
tjingboemand where?09:07
TheSheepedit /etc/hostname09:08
TheSheepand use the 'hostanme' command to change it right away09:08
TheSheephostname09:08
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tjingboemwill do so, thanks TheSheep09:49
ballHow can I feel hot and cold at the same time? That makes no sense.09:54
* ball sticks a sweater on10:01
tjingboemis there a xubuntu program that shows tiff and jpg and png?12:44
TheSheeptjingboem: firefox, for example...12:54
tjingboemnever mind, i found xli - just what i wanted12:54
tjingboemno i needed just a small image viewer12:55
vaevif ubuntu tends to prefer gtk+ apps and kubuntu qt apps, where does xubuntu stand?12:55
tjingboembyt thankd again TheSheep :)12:55
TheSheepvaev: gtk12:56
TheSheepvaev: without gnome deps, if possible12:56
vaevokay good to know. thanks12:57
vaevI'm trying to choose for a certain laptop, a fast and simple to maintain distro12:57
vaevas an xfce user I immediately thought of xubuntu12:58
TheSheepyou can alsayws pick your own apps13:10
vaevdoes it use the ubuntu repositories directly or are they cloned for xubuntu and modified/maintained separately?13:18
Myrttivaev: ubuntu repositories13:50
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asterismohi people15:04
asterismoswitched to xubuntu yesterday and i need some help with gtk3 themes15:04
asterismocan anyone help me?15:04
ochosiasterismo: what exactly do you need help with?15:05
asterismohi ochosi15:08
asterismothe thing is that i installed xubuntu 11.10 and changed the default email client to evolution that is what i use15:09
asterismoand i noticed that since evolution is gtk3 app15:09
asterismothe theme that only applies is greybird which i do not like15:09
asterismoi would like to have a simple light theme, like mist15:10
ochosithen you have to look for other themes online or use e.g. the ubuntu theme. from the ones installed by default in xubuntu greybird is the only theme that supports gtk3 at the moment15:10
asterismoor some other simple theme that would apply to all applications including gtk3 ones15:10
asterismoand i searched xfce-look.org, gnome-look.org but i did not find any gtk3 theme or xfce theme compatible with gtk315:11
ochosiyeah, there aren't so many yet. well in fact on gnome-look you should find quite a few15:11
Sysitry zukitwo15:11
ochosibut only the more recent ones15:11
asterismoi noticed that greybird is not compatible with faenza icon theme15:11
asterismothat i would like to use15:11
ochosiSysi: Zukitwo is very similar to greybird, if he doesn't like greybird he won't like Zukitwo...15:12
ochosiasterismo: how is it not compatible with Faenza?15:12
Sysiasterismo: faenza and greybird are working great for me15:12
Sysiochosi: it's lighter15:12
asterismofor me visual design is very important, and since years ago, dark themes (those using dark toolbars and panels) are not fully visually well designed (IMHO)15:14
asterismofor example, dark icons with dark backgrounds15:14
asterismoor light icons with light backgrounds15:14
asterismofor me is very important to have dark icons in light backgrounds or light icons in dark backgrounds15:15
asterismothat thing not happen with faenza (any of it's variants) and a dark theme, say ambiance, greybird...15:15
asterismoyou can see it in panel icons, evolution anf firefox icon toolbars...15:16
asterismoso i choose to use fully light themes because they do not break visual design15:16
Sysithere should be faneza for both, dark and light panels/themes15:16
asterismobut only fix the panels15:17
asterismothey do not fix contextual menus, or applications icon toolbars (see transmission, evolution, firefox) those are default apps in ubuntu-gnome15:17
asterismobut anyway15:17
asterismoi just found out that there is no gtk3 compatible light theme15:18
SysiI find several on gnome-look.org15:19
asterismoplease paste the link15:20
asterismoevery theme i download i do not see the gtk3 folder15:20
asterismohow do i install them anyway?15:21
Sysihttp://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/elementary-borderless-elegance?content=14293015:22
Sysihttp://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Smoothly?content=14646415:22
Sysihttp://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Aldabra?content=14224715:22
Sysihttp://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Zukitwo?content=140562&PHPSESSID=fcc64823ab0b133d6f8732bfe2b9e72615:22
asterismoaldabra i downloaded it15:23
asterismobut it is not gtk315:23
asterismosorry15:23
asterismoit is15:23
asterismobut how do i install it?15:23
Sysicopy theme folder to ~/.themes15:24
Sysiyou may need to create that hidden folder15:24
asterismodone15:25
asterismook15:25
asterismothanks very much15:25
asterismoZukitwo is not compatible with the window list toolbar applet15:30
asterismoit renders white text over light background15:30
asterismoi'll keep searching15:30
SysiI linked four themes and none of them work?15:30
asterismoi was talking about Zukitwo, i got the others15:32
SysiI know it's a bit bugsy and ment to be used with that almost transparent bg-image15:33
asterismoyes15:35
asterismoit's all right15:35
asterismothe thing was that there was always a light theme that made all to work15:36
asterismobut i switched to xubuntu after 6 years of using gnome15:36
asterismoi couldn't handle unity15:37
asterismoit crashed sessions to me browsing pictures folder15:37
asterismoso15:37
asterismoi switched to xfce and found that it's great15:37
asterismoi can do everything just like before15:37
asterismobut15:37
asterismoi'm missing a nice light theme15:37
asterismothats all15:38
asterismothis is the theme15:46
asterismohttp://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Clearwaita?content=14521015:46
GridCubeso if i rotate my display the pointers gel_all broken!16:00
GridCubei wonder if there`s a way to rotate pointers automagically16:02
blomgrenHello - Anybody have experience with getting wireless drivers to work with xubuntu?16:28
blomgrenThe "additional drivers" seemed to identify my wireless card okay (I checked the driver against the actual card), but I can't get wireless to work.16:29
GridCubeyou have activated it?16:31
GridCubeseems like a stupid question but it happens16:31
blomgrenyes16:31
blomgren(no offense taken!)16:31
Sysiand rebooted?16:31
blomgrenyes - several times16:32
blomgrenI tried booting with a live usb with pclinuxos, and my wireless card worked right away16:32
blomgrenWith this, it identifies the driver, I activated it and rebooted, but I can'16:32
GridCubeare you using 11.10?16:32
blomgrent seem to get it to work from there.16:32
blomgrenyes16:32
blomgrenxubuntu 11.1016:32
blomgrenthis is a hp pavillion dv200016:33
blomgren01:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01)16:34
charlie-tcasilly question, did it work with the xubuntu live session?16:36
blomgrenNo.16:36
blomgrenThe thing with the live session, is that you activate the driver, but it says you need to reboot before the driver will work.16:37
blomgrenI've gone through the forums and wikis, and everything I have found seems related to finding and installing the drivers.  In my case, it looks like the correct drivers were already ‪identified and installed.16:37
charlie-tcaYou need bcmwl-kernel-source16:37
charlie-tcabcmwl-modaliases16:37
charlie-tcainstalled, I think16:37
blomgrenjust apt-get install those?16:37
charlie-tcayes16:37
charlie-tcabut that is the extent of my wireless knowledge, too.16:38
charlie-tcaI would suggest #ubuntu-beginners after all of us here exhaust our knowledge.16:38
blomgrenI tried bcmwl-kernel-source, but got a "already the newest version" message.16:40
blomgrenTried the modaliases, but got a "package is not available, but is referred to by another package.  This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is available from another source However the following packages replace it: bcmwl-kernel-source16:41
GridCubeblomgren, are you using this? http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php16:42
blomgrenno.  I'm just using what xubuntu automatically provided.16:43
GridCubealso this, its in spañish but its fairly easy to understand http://www.alcancelibre.org/article.php/como-driver-bcm43xx-linux16:43
blomgren(which it calls the Broadcom STA Wireless Driver"16:44
blomgrenOkay.  I'll try removing what was automatically installed, then try this.16:46
GridCube:)16:47
GridCubegood luck16:47
blomgrenThis is a pretty fresh install, so worse case, I can start from scratch.16:48
GridCube:D lets hope it not ends like that16:48
blomgrendumb question . .  but in the compilation commands, is "uname" to be substituted with my username?16:52
charlie-tcano16:52
blomgrenThanks16:52
charlie-tcauname refers to the kernel info16:52
charlie-tcathings like $USER are for username16:53
blomgrenthanks16:56
blomgrenOkay rebooting now with fingers crossed.16:57
blomgrenI'm back, and still no wireless as far as I can tell17:00
GridCube:(17:00
blomgrenRepetir del paso 4 al 8 cada vez que se actualice el núcleo del sistema (paquete kernel en Fedora, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, CentOS 5, etc.; paquete linux-2.6 en Debian y Ubuntu).17:02
blomgrenI got the part about repeating steps 4 through 8, but that's about it.17:02
GridCubeit says, repeat this everytime your kernel updates17:03
blomgrenGotcha17:03
blomgrenStill seems odd to me that the Ubuntu installed driver wasn't working.17:03
GridCubedunno17:04
blomgrenPCLinuxOS was working right off the live usb.  Maybe a kernel thing? Or maybe there is some distro specific utility that got it.17:06
charlie-tcabroadcom is a weird beast, there are more than one driver, even for the same cards, but only one driver will work for each card.17:07
blomgrenok.17:08
jimmy8888hi guys. is there a way to get a world/international clock in xubuntu?17:17
GridCubegworldclock?17:20
charlie-tcasure17:21
charlie-tcatry menu -> Accessories -> Global clock17:21
charlie-tcaworks better for Xubuntu17:21
GridCubeyes that one17:21
GridCubei knew there was one from orage17:21
charlie-tcaorage has world clock capability, as seen by the 17 time zones I have set17:21
GridCubeyou crazy charlie-tca17:22
jimmy8888do you mean "Orage Globaltime"?17:22
charlie-tcajimmy8888: yes17:22
charlie-tcaYou can add as many timezones as you need to it, and tell it to display on all workspaces17:22
jimmy8888ok cool that seems to work. is there a way to display these timezones on the panel somehow?17:23
jimmy8888:)17:23
charlie-tcaI haven't found a way17:24
jimmy8888ok thats all good. thanks!17:24
charlie-tcahowever, replacing clock in panel with orage clock does work too17:24
charlie-tcaYou can add extra orage clocks for the time zones, if there aren't too many17:25
jimmy8888ahh sweet yep i just added two orage clocks. one for each timezone i care about. perfect!17:25
charlie-tcaI used to keep one clock for utc and one for local time in the panel17:25
charlie-tcawhen the calendar appears, right click it to set options. There is one to make the calendar not appear all the time17:26
blomgrenAny other suggestions on my broadcom wireless issues?17:38
birdman007I tried switching from lightdm to gdm so i could have the same login screen as in ubuntu 11.10 but i got this error when i used dpkg- reconfigure  http://paste.ubuntu.com/731216/18:36
madnickbirdman007: Ubuntu 11.10 does not use GDM18:42
madnickbirdman007: please dont PM me, its not that I dislike it, its just that I cannot switch window fast, since I got so many windows :)18:46
madnickBut no, it uses LightDM, and the unity-greeter18:47
hobgoblinxubuntu uses lightdm-gtk-greeter - or at least it does here18:48
charlie-tcayes, ande Ubuntu uses lightdm-unity-greeter18:49
birdman007preference noted : ) , oh ok so i just have to install unity-greeter18:49
hobgoblinbirdman007: you weren't by any chance following a small forum thread were you?18:49
charlie-tcaso to use the Ubuntu greeter requires installing unity-greeter and removing lightdm-gtk-greeter18:49
hobgoblincharlie-tca: can I quote that to someone on the forum?18:50
charlie-tcaquote what?18:51
charlie-tcayes, ande Ubuntu uses unity-greeter18:51
hobgoblininstalling unity-greeter and removing lightdm-gtk-greeter18:51
charlie-tcayes18:51
hobgoblinsomeone there is after the same thing :)18:51
hobgoblink18:51
charlie-tcaof course you may. Thanks for asking, though18:51
hobgoblinwell - I'm newish to xubuntu and am still fiddling about - not bothered more than just adding a different image to the greeter :)18:52
charlie-tcawhich reminds me, is there something in "/etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf" that has to be changed too?18:53
hobgoblinI Was looking at that - perhaps the greeter line18:54
charlie-tcayes, this one18:54
charlie-tcagreeter-session=lightdm-gtk-greeter18:54
charlie-tcamust be changed to18:54
charlie-tcagreeter-session=unity-greeter18:54
charlie-tcaand you don't even have to remove anything then18:55
hobgoblinyea - I sort of played with that without knowing I needed to remove the lightdm-gtk - reboot failed and I ended up in recovery root nano'ing it :)18:55
charlie-tcalightdm just got working for Xubuntu after beta2, so we had about 10 days with it18:56
hobgoblinlol - good job done then18:57
hobgoblincharlie-tca: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11434924&postcount=4 does that look right?18:58
hobgoblinif you've a moment to look ...18:58
Hoby_hi19:00
madnickHoby_:19:01
madnickops19:01
charlie-tcahobgoblin: looks great19:01
madnickhobgoblin: user-session:xubuntu19:01
charlie-tcaThanks for passing that along19:01
madnickgreeter-session=unity-greeter19:01
Hoby_hi there needsome help19:01
madnickmake sure unity-greeter installed a .desktop file in xgreeters19:01
charlie-tcaHoby_: needs help is too big a subject19:02
madnickuser-session=xubuntu * :)19:02
charlie-tca!anyone19:02
ubottuA high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll.19:02
Hoby_ok installed fritz wlan stick and it worked,  but afte reeboot it does not anymore,19:03
Hoby_i am really really new with ubuntu19:03
Hoby_like installed it saturday19:04
genii-around!details19:05
ubottuPlease give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..."19:05
hobgoblincharlie-tca: done that - thanks19:05
charlie-tcaCheck if the stuff you installed to make it work is still therre, unplug and replug it, etc?19:06
hobgoblinmadnick - it installed one - I'll add that to the post just in case19:07
Hoby_newest version xubuntu 10.10, well i tried  everything in my windows knowledge possible to get my wlan stick to work, it is correctly under Windows WLAN Driver, and I can configure it under networ properties but it won't connect19:08
birdman007where do i check to make sure unity-greeter installed a .desktop file in xgreeters19:09
madnickhobgoblin: well, does it work? ;)19:09
madnickbirdman007: ls /usr/share/xgreeters19:09
hobgoblinno idea madnick - still fiddling with some other stuff - and eating :p19:09
madnicklol19:09
madnickI install like 5 greeters per day, but it was long since I installed the unity-greeter19:10
madnicknot sure how that .deb looks19:10
hobgoblinback in a minute then ...19:11
birdman007time to log out and see if i changed everything right, i hope i didn't mess anything up19:12
hobgoblincharlie-tca madnick - nope that failed ...19:17
hobgoblinpossibly it's this - unity-greeter[1425]: segfault at 0 ip 00221cbb sp bf9aa230 error 4 in libgio-2.0.so.0.3000.0[189000+142000]19:19
hobgoblinlooking at syslog - I have the same error earlier when I tried19:20
madnickhm19:21
madnicklet me try19:21
hobgoblink19:21
madnickhm19:24
madnickokay19:24
madnick1 sec i think i found the problem19:25
hobgoblinworked for you ?19:25
hobgoblinwb birdman00719:25
birdman007nothing changed i think i didnt do something right19:26
hobgoblinI'd hang on birdman007 - mine failed miserably :)19:26
hobgoblin:)19:34
hobgoblinthe only way to learn - or at least how I learnt most of what I learnt was to break and start again19:35
madnickwell,19:40
madnickyou need org.gnome.setting-daemon.plugins.background19:40
hobgoblinorly19:41
hobgoblinand where does that come from :)19:41
madnicksetting the background19:41
madnickit raises a critical assert19:41
hobgoblinmmm - that'll be voodoo then ... no idea what that meant :)19:42
hobgoblincertainly no idea how to accomplish it - or even if it's worth it - at least for me - I was just trying to help19:43
madnickwell, i will try to get it working19:43
madnickno matter what it takes19:43
madnickbut it will take a while19:43
madnick:)19:43
hobgoblinok - well I've found this channel now and it's in my list - so I'll be about if you remember19:44
charlie-tcaSo it really isn't user usable any more to switch?19:44
madnickto early to say19:44
madnickokay19:45
hobgoblinI've removed my post on the forum - lucjky I can do that without having to get someone to do it - but I'll put a note in there along the lines of 'it's not as easy as you'd think' for the time being19:45
madnickgot it working19:45
madnick:)=19:45
hobgoblinlol19:45
madnickinstall19:45
hobgoblinthat's was a while ...19:45
madnicksudo apt-get install gnome-settings-daemon19:45
madnickbut tbh19:45
madnickit probably breaks something else19:45
madnick:)19:45
hobgoblinmmmm19:45
hobgoblinI'll do it in vbox perhaps :)19:46
charlie-tcaso, next time, I will answer "nope" and be done with it19:46
madnickhttp://www.madnick.se/~madnick/works.png19:46
madnickfany19:46
madnickfancy our new background19:47
madnick(the old one does not exist ;))19:47
hobgoblincharlie-tca: and I'd be none the wiser19:47
madnickbut yeah, i had to change quite a bit19:47
madnickto get it working19:47
madnicki wonder if one should make a package with the unity greeter that is optimized for xubuntu O_o19:49
birdman007so i have to get gnome-settings-daemon also19:49
madnickyes19:49
charlie-tcamadnick: not unless you are bored, and plan to maintain it for at least 18 months on 11.10, and probably three years in Precise19:50
madnickcharlie-tca: :(((19:50
madnick5 years right? ;P19:50
charlie-tcaunity greeter is a moving target, too :(19:50
charlie-tcaDon't think xubuntu will go for 5 years,19:51
madnickoh right i forgot about that19:51
birdman007do i just install it and thats it or do i have to do something else19:51
madnickyes19:52
madnickchange some configurations files19:52
madnickI'd say dont even do it19:52
madnickor if you insist, have a backup19:52
madnickof all lightdm files19:53
madnickand be ready to purge the gnome settings daemon19:53
hobgoblinmadnick: worked here - horrid - changed it back :p19:54
madnick:D19:54
birdman007so which configuration files do i change19:55
hobgoblinthanks for both your help - I shall go and fiddle with the post on the forum19:55
hobgoblinbirdman007: I see you waited for me to say it worked then ... :)19:55
hobgoblinmadnick: though it was black and white - not the purple thing - but heyho19:56
madnickhobgoblin: need to change the bg manually :)19:56
madnickbirdman007: lightdm.conf19:56
madnickunity-greeter.conf19:56
Thermihmm19:56
madnickunity-greeter.desktop19:56
Thermianother theme19:56
Thermian audio greeter which spells the username19:56
Thermidid anyone think of this? :D19:56
madnick:)19:57
hobgoblinmadnick: I'll add that to the post too madnick - do you know what the bg image is off the top of your head - if not I'll let them figure it out for themselves :)19:57
madnickhobgoblin: well just take any image hehe19:58
madnicki just took19:58
madnick/usr/share/wallpapers/albatross.png19:58
birdman007what do i change in the files19:58
hobgoblinmadnick: oic - it's just the one in the lightdm.conf file is it19:59
madnickpaste 73130420:00
madnickhm20:00
madnickpaste.ubuntu.com/73130420:00
hobgoblinwell that's the longest post I've made on the forum in a while - it's been moved to recurring or closed mostly since oneiric released :) - good to be helping again20:05
hobgoblinI think I got all of it - http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11434924&postcount=4 - if not I'll read the logs ...20:06
madnickhm you are staff, how come you need to be logged in on the forum to read it if you set firefox to use swedish as primary language? :o20:07
hobgoblinluckily for me I am just a lowly mod and not admin so I can say I have no idea at all ... though if you were by chance trying to read something in the Archive then it is like that for everyone20:09
madnickhobgoblin: oh i see :)20:11
hobgoblinif not you could make a bug report for it https://launchpad.net/ubuntuforums.org20:12
madnickhobgoblin: well i figure it is a the archive that comes up when i google20:12
hobgoblinaaah yea :(20:13
birdman007still nothing :/20:13
hobgoblinthat's an issue20:13
madnickbirdman007: it does not work for you?20:13
madnickat all?20:13
madnickbirdman007: okay i see, run this command:20:16
madnickacctually, first restore lightdm.conf20:16
madnickand cp the one with hte unity greeter to ~20:16
birdman007ok20:16
madnickthen when you done that20:17
madnicksudo apt-get install xserver-xephyr ; lightdm --test-mode -d -c lightdm.conf20:17
madnickthen you dont need to fiddle around in recovery mode20:18
madnickafter that, report back what the output said20:18
birdman007what was the original greeter-session20:22
madnicklightdm-gtk-greeter20:22
MarionVso does anyone know how to have the system automatically do xset dpms 0 0 020:24
MarionVon boot20:24
madnickput it in startup20:24
madnickin settings -> session and start up20:24
MarionVthere is no seesion and start up20:25
hobgoblinit's in settings manager20:25
birdman007how do i cp the one with hte unity greeter to ~         whats the command, sorry i dont know the terminal that well yet still learning20:26
madnickokay, well20:26
madnickif you already changed lightdm.conf then create a new one in /home/yourname20:26
madnickand make it look exactly like the one you changed now, but also put unity-greeter as greeter-session :)20:27
MarionVok so once in session and start up what do i do next20:27
madnickautostart20:28
madnickadd20:28
madnickthen just write the command you want to run :)20:28
MarionVcool thanks20:28
MarionVjust the linux community is one of the reasons i like using xubuntu better than windows20:30
birdman007what do you mean put unity-greeter as greeter-session20:34
birdman007change it to greeter-session.conf20:34
madnickin your home folder20:35
madnickmake a file called lightdm.conf, and write this in it:20:35
madnick[SeatDefaults]20:35
madnickuser-session=xubuntu20:35
madnickgreeter-session=unity-greeter20:35
birdman007ok, now do i do the apt-get command20:38
madnickyes20:40
hobgoblinboth of them20:40
hobgoblinif necessary20:40
birdman007a window popped up with the login screen, do i login?20:45
madnick:)20:45
madnickif it did20:45
madnickit should work20:45
madnickif you copy the lightdm.conf to /etc/lightdm and logout20:45
madnickbirdman007: if its the unity screen :)20:45
birdman007the window says Xephyr on :1.020:47
birdman007thats the title of the window20:47
madnickyes, but is it the unity greeter that pops up? :)20:47
birdman007yes20:47
madnickand it seems to look ok and work fine?20:47
birdman007it looks ok and everything i click on works20:49
madnickokay, then just: sudo cp lightdm.conf /etc/lightdm20:49
madnickand logout, and back in :)20:50
birdman007every time i try to close that window a new one pops up :D20:50
madnickpress ctrl+c20:51
madnickon the terminal that you typed it in20:51
birdman007ok, now to logout and log back in20:52
birdman007still didnt change anything :(20:55
birdman007aww well20:55
madnickare you sure that you copied that data? because that does not make sense20:55
birdman007yea i did sudo cp lightdm.conf /etc/lightdm20:56
madnickand if you now did cat /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf20:56
madnickwhat does it say?20:56
birdman007[SeatDefaults] user-session=xubuntu greeter-session=unity-greeter20:57
zenroxthat post dint work for me20:57
madnickzenrox: the unity greeter post?20:58
zenroxyep20:58
madnickhave you installed the unity-greeter + gnome-settings-daemon20:58
zenroxwouldent even start the dm20:58
zenroxand yess20:58
zenroxfollowed the post to a t20:59
zenroxand nothen20:59
zenroxi had to revert20:59
zenroxjust to get a desktop21:00
well_laid_lawn!enter21:00
ubottuPlease try to keep your questions/responses on one line. Don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!21:00
hobgoblinwhich is what I got to start with21:00
madnickit works really fine here21:01
madnickbut you need to reboot after installing stuff21:01
zenroxyep21:01
zenroxi know21:01
zenroxdid that twice21:01
zenroxnothen21:01
madnicklightdm have already read the configuration file21:01
madnickzenrox: could you run lightdm --test-mode -d21:02
madnickand give me the debug output21:02
zenroxhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/731376/21:04
madnickzenrox: xserver-xephyr, is that installed?21:05
zenroxno21:06
zenroxits just a nest server tho21:06
madnickyes21:06
madnickIf lightdm dont get an x server it cant run properly21:07
zenroxtrying agine21:09
zenroxbrb21:09
birdman007I rebooted and it got stuck with the bar moving bak and forth21:11
madnickprobably an fsck check :)21:11
madnickdid it say "keys:"21:11
birdman007Idk I'll mess with it later, talk to y'all later21:11
birdman007Have a good day everybody : )21:12
hobgoblinfunny how it worked for me and you but not the other 221:13
zenroxok it worked once i did sudo lightdm --test-mode -d21:14
zenroxin a vt21:14
madnickokay21:14
zenroxother wise its not starting like it should21:14
madnickhm21:15
zenroxso i got to feguer out how to get it starting like it should21:15
zenroxbut after a ciggy tho21:15
madnickhobgoblin: i suspect a lack of touching unity-greeter.conf :)21:16
hobgoblin:)21:17
madnickThere is more fun greeters than the unity greeter ;)21:17
TheSheepsudo /etc/inittab.lighrestart21:18
hobgoblinis there? all in the repos are they - or something like *-look21:18
olbihello21:21
olbiI have some problems with gmusicbrowser, I add files flac and dont see any filenames :/21:21
olbiunder Exaile and Rhythmbox it is visible21:22
olbiwhat could be problem?21:22
olbifiles where created and Windows 7, AIMP2 Audio Converter21:22
holsteinolbi: interesting21:24
holsteini was under the impression flac was supported21:24
holsteinolbi: do you have another user account? or would you mind creating one and trying there?21:24
virungaHi21:25
holsteinhttps://trisquel.info/en/forum/gmusicbrowser-cant-play-flac might be relevant olbi21:27
virungai have a pc with a Athlon at 1.6 GHz with 1 GB of ram. This more or less are the ubuntu requirements, but i thought with xubuntu the pc could go faster. Is this right? Can i install libreoffice on Xubuntu?21:27
holsteinvirunga: xubuntu is ubuntu21:28
holsteinthe repos are the same... so you have access to the same software21:28
charlie-tcayes, you can install libreoffice on Xubuntu.21:28
holsteinits using XFCE instead of gnome or unity, which typically most users find runs faster21:29
charlie-tcaThe more you addd to be like Ubuntu, the less performance you get21:29
holsteinyeah ^^ you end up bogging it back down if you do too much :/21:29
virungaOk, i got it. Thank you :)21:29
zenroxok back madnick21:32
hobgoblinthanks for the help - cya21:32
madnickzenrox: well, i cannot really see any reason why it would fail, if you used my configuration21:33
olbii could check under virtualmachine w821:34
madnickpaste.ubuntu.com/73130421:34
zenroxi dont either21:34
zenroxits just not starting like it should21:36
zenroxlike xubuntu is not starting lightdm21:37
olbiholstein: it same under another system21:37
olbihostein: gmusicbrowser can't see filenamse21:37
holsteinolbi: another system? or user?21:37
olbianother system21:38
holsteinwell, its a long shot, but a fresh user would get any configuration you do out of the equation21:39
olbiLOL, now problems with update java.tzdata from pl.archive.ubuntu.com :P21:41
zenroxi wonder if it has something to do with lightdm-gtk-greeter21:42
LoptrCan someone help me improve my boot time?21:42
olbiLoptr: how long system is booting? my about 30 - 40 seconds21:43
olbiso it isnt bad21:43
charlie-tcaMake sure the grub menu timeout is 0?21:44
charlie-tca(/etc/default/grub21:44
charlie-tca)21:44
Loptrolbi, mine is around 25-30 but for my machine it just seems long.21:44
Loptri read some guys make it 5-10 seconds and i tought i could do that but its not working, i stopped the majority of startup serviced i don't need21:45
Loptreven made static ip adres to remove network-manager21:45
Loptr;]21:45
knomexubuntu community meeting in 15 minutes at #xubuntu-devel. everybody is free to take part :)21:47
LoptrChanServ, olbi  This is my bootchart without any startup services, even screensaver,ibus, and etc are gone21:49
Loptrhttp://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9951/asgardoneiric201111073.png21:49
zenroxhmm21:49
olbii have to do my bootchart :D21:53
olbinever did that :D21:53
LoptrIts fun but thats how they get you hooked :D21:55
genii-aroundLoptr: If you still have some sysinitv stuff thats loading, you can use one-time boot option of: profile   to parallelize those. Might get another second or three21:55
madnickzenrox: still not working?21:55
* Unit193 likes the name of the computer21:55
noob13hey, any idea how to switch off touchpad tapping in xfce?21:56
genii-aroundLoptr: ( you boot with that option, it organizes the items so that boot takes longer, but subsequent boots should be a bit faster )21:56
Loptrgenii-around, i didin't quite understood what you said where do i have to do that? Is that a grub option or?21:59
genii-aroundLoptr: Yes, a grub option in the line which loads the kernel. ( normally where you see like quiet splash ).  So for one boot you put in: profile     and when it loads that time, it tries to figure out which sysinitv scripts it can load in parrallel next boot. The next time you boot, you don't require the "profile" option and it should be at least a little bit faster22:01
knomexubuntu community meeting @ #xubuntu-devel NOW. everybody is free to join :)22:02
LoptrI understand22:02
Loptri'll try that. thanks22:02
zenroxmadnick nope22:03
zenroxbut if i manualy start it it works22:03
zenroxso i need to find whare xubuntu starts it22:03
zacariasHas someone installed libreoffice on 10.04 or 10.10?22:17
zenroxok i am gona try adding start lightdm to /etc/rc.local just to see if this will work22:27
zenroxbrb rebooting22:27
madnicki assume you we22:28
madnickok to late22:28
zenroxthare fixed22:32
zenroxaparently lightdm is not starting like it should so i added it to /etc/rc.local22:33
zenroxand bam fixed22:33
madnicki must ask22:34
madnickdid you uninstall the lightdm-gtk-greeter?22:34
zenroxno22:35
zenroxleft it alone cause it would of removed xubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-default-settings22:35
madnickWell, glad it worked out, I am no wiser about what could've caused this :\22:35
zenroxeven tho that wouldent have made a big different22:35
zenroxme neather22:35
preecherin the task manager i show columns with "PID"  "RSS"  "CPU"  wht does RSS actually mean?  i know its something to do with memory -  reason i am asking the amount showing in task manager differs from that showing in system monitor---any help appreciated22:36
madnickprocess id22:36
madnickoh22:37
madnickrss22:37
madnickResident Set Size likely22:37
madnickHow much memory of a process that is held in RAM22:37
madnickcontrary to swapped22:37
preecherso that wouldnt necessarily mean the mount the prog is using?22:37
preecheroh ok22:37
preechermount = amount22:38
preecherand thanks madnick22:38
zenroxhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1846552&highlight=install+lightdm+xubuntu i used this thread to add it to /etc/rc.local22:39
go8765can anybody help me please to turn on managing of mouse by keyboard ?23:26
ochosigo8765: what exactly do you mean?23:36
knomeochosi, move cursor with arrow keys possibly23:36
knomeand stuff23:36
ochosioh23:37
ochosiright23:37
go8765ochosi, I need to use mouse moving from keyboard23:37
ochosipfew, no clue tbh23:37
ochosii thought you meant something like: get to the mouse-preferences by only using the keyboard :)23:38
go8765so how I can do this?23:39
knomego8765, we don't know23:40
go8765:)23:40
go8765good answer :)23:40
knomehave you looked at google?23:40
madnickHm, I wrote an app like that long ago, not sure I still have it tho, not sure XFCE offers such a tool, I recon thats why i wrote it23:42
go8765knome, m... yes, but I have some special environment and google cant help...23:43
HopelessHey, I was just about to download and install Xubuntu over my current OS, and as a previous Ubuntu user, I was hoping there would be a way I could install it using a USB drive, I couldn't find an option on the xbuntu.org/get page but I was wondering if there was another way I could use my USB to install Xubuntu instead of a burning a CD as that is not possible, any help?23:57
holsteinHopeless: your machine *must* support USB booting23:58
HopelessMy Machine accepts it.23:58
holsteinthen, you can use several tools to make a bootable USB stick from the downloaded iso, including just dd copying them over now23:58
holsteinbut, i have not tried dd copying them... i still use unetbootin23:59
holsteinhttp://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/23:59

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