[00:02] <Gremuchnik> Hey friends!  My weather applet on the top panel stopped working.  I changed cities, but they all have "no data".  Did that happen to anybody else here?  Is there a fix?  Thanks!
[00:03] <Gremuchnik> or has weather.com discontinued providing data for it?
[00:04] <well_laid_lawn> I heard something about weather.com doing that
[00:04] <Gremuchnik> ОК
[00:05] <Gremuchnik> I guess I will have to add a GNOME applet to my XFCE panel then as GNOME has some non weather.com applet, iirc
[00:08] <MarionV> well_laid_lawn, do you know how to remove a kernel i cant figure it out
[00:09] <well_laid_lawn> MarionV: uninstall it from the package manager usually works
[00:09] <MarionV> what do i look for?
[00:10] <well_laid_lawn> in installed packages kernel or linux
[00:11] <Gremuchnik> sorry, what is the thingie which I need to install to get GNOME applets on an XFCE panel?
[00:12] <knome> xfapplet
[00:13] <Gremuchnik> thanks
[00:14] <MarionV> well_laid_lawn, is the header files i remove?
[00:14] <well_laid_lawn> MarionV: there should be a kernel to go with the header files
[00:15] <MarionV> ok i found it sucks that i have to remove 3.0.0
[00:15] <well_laid_lawn> why do you have to remove it?
[00:16] <MarionV> it wont work with my ati radeon 9550
[00:16] <well_laid_lawn> k ;)
[00:17] <MarionV> it sucks wont boot at all
[00:17] <well_laid_lawn> you probably need a kernel boot option for it
[00:17] <MarionV> i know nothing about doing that
[00:17] <well_laid_lawn> won't boot or the screen goes blank?
[00:17] <MarionV> either blank or the blinking cursor
[00:19] <well_laid_lawn> I'm about to put one of those cards in a comp so lets see what we can find out about it
[00:21] <MarionV> ok im gonna sign back in on my andro irc incase you need me to reboot
[00:24] <well_laid_lawn> there's nothing in the first few pages of google about it - using the opensource driver?
[00:25] <MarionV> Back
[00:26] <well_laid_lawn> there's nothing in the first few pages of google about it - using the opensource driver?
[00:26] <MarionV> Yup
[00:26] <well_laid_lawn> k
[00:31] <w30> My desktop icons (*.desktop files,launchers whatever you call them) are jumping all over the place on each login. Is there any way to glue them down?
[00:31] <knome> w30, use a wood glue a good 5mm thick layer, and let dry for two hours at least before booting
[00:31] <well_laid_lawn> MarionV: you could try adding   nomodeset    to the kernel line in grub to see if it improves
[00:31] <w30> xfce4 and compiz
[00:32] <w30> knome, what about gray pad tape?
[00:32] <knome> w30, won't work with icons
[00:33] <MarionV> Explain please
[00:34] <w30> gray pad tape works south of the Mason-Dixon Line though.
[00:34] <well_laid_lawn> MarionV: at the grub menu select the kernel you want to boot and press e to edit - go down to the kernel line and press e again - move to the end of the line and add   nomodeset   then press b to boot
[00:35] <knome> off for today, see you later
[00:36] <w30> knome, have a good one
[00:36] <knome> will do
[00:43] <MarionV> Ok i will try
[00:51] <MarionV> Well that worked
[00:52] <MarionV> How do I make that permanent
[00:53] <well_laid_lawn> MarionV: you need to edit /etc/default/grub and run update-grub
[00:53] <well_laid_lawn> !grub
[00:54] <well_laid_lawn> add nomodeset to the end of the line with "quiet splash" at the end
[00:56] <MarionV> It says can't open file to write
[00:56] <well_laid_lawn> you'll need to use   gksu mousepad /etc/default/grub
[00:56] <well_laid_lawn> !gksu
[02:24] <methylenedioxy> Has anyone experienced Qt3/Qt4 apps hanging or forcing a restart of X? From the erros I can get they seem to be putting X in an infinite loop and it runs out of memory. It only happens when I build Xfce from git, but everything non-Qt works fine--maybe some dependency that's pulled in is causing it?
[02:40] <birdy007> how come xubuntu login screen isn't the same as ubuntu's
[02:40] <zenrox> no idea and i dont like it
[02:40] <zenrox> either
[02:41] <birdy007> can i change it
[02:42] <well_laid_lawn> it's lightdm instaed of gdm
[02:42] <methylenedioxy> You can install gdm and pick it by doing dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[02:42] <well_laid_lawn> what does methylenedioxy do ?
[02:42] <methylenedioxy> ?
[02:43] <methylenedioxy> The MD in MDMA :3
[02:43] <well_laid_lawn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylenedioxy
[02:44] <methylenedioxy> I'm a chemist
[02:44] <methylenedioxy> (Licit)
[02:44] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[02:44] <birdy007> theirs also mda
[03:17] <zacarias> what's the command for "killing" a rtunning application?
[03:18] <psycho_oreos> pkill, kill, killall
[03:20] <zacarias> psycho_oreos: tx
[03:42] <w30> m/part
[03:54] <chrstphrhrt> hmm can't for the life of me figure out how to get horizontal scrolling with my touchpad working in 11.10.. ideas?
[03:55] <well_laid_lawn> I have   Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "on"   in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-synaptics.conf file
[03:57] <chrstphrhrt> cool thanks will give that a try
[03:59] <well_laid_lawn> I found this a good resource - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Synaptics
[04:04] <xubuntu715> Quick noob question: On a system like an eee pc, would xubuntu generally run faster than ubuntu?
[04:06] <methylenedioxy> Generally yes if you're using Gnome2, I haven't tried Unity or Gnome3
[04:06] <methylenedioxy> Gnome2 in Ubuntu*
[04:06] <methylenedioxy> LXDE is slightly snappier on my Atom netbook but it's frustrating to use
[04:08] <mikodo> Hi, has anyone written a "xubuntu how to" or an extensive guide, such as what see so much with Ubuntu; archlinux; debian ... hmm maybe I should look for XFCE guides???
[04:08] <xubuntu715> thanks
[04:09] <xubuntu715> I tried both live on a usb drive/sd card
[04:09] <xubuntu715> xubuntu seemed faster
[04:10] <chrstphrhrt> well_laid_lawn, hmm tried creating /etx/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-syntaptics.conf (or whatever that file was you suggested) with the setting you said and restarted but then X wouldn't start
[04:10] <well_laid_lawn> chrstphrhrt: you shouldn't have needed to make it
[04:11] <well_laid_lawn> it should have already been there
[04:11] <chrstphrhrt> yeah which was weird
[04:11] <chrstphrhrt> there was not even a xorg.conf.d folder at all
[04:16] <mikodo> No extensive guides? Someone within the know and with the time should write one; what with all the new interest in Xubuntu; and before you  suggest I I see a need; do it myself; I am not within the know :)
[04:17] <well_laid_lawn> chrstphrhrt: is there that file in /usr/share/X11 ?
[04:18] <chrstphrhrt> well_laid_lawn, oh interesting i have a /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf
[04:18] <well_laid_lawn> same here - I had to boot my xubuntu vm to check
[04:19] <well_laid_lawn> the X log should say it is using that dir for the configs
[04:19] <chrstphrhrt> so you think adding  Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "on" should do the trick?
[04:19] <chrstphrhrt> oh yeah log
[04:19] <mikodo> Well, I checked with Arch: I will add this to my XFCE list: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xfce
[04:20] <well_laid_lawn> yep it should - I would check what other options there are and just edit it once
[04:24] <chrstphrhrt> well_laid_lawn, thanks that worked
[04:24] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[04:26] <mikodo> I do think an Xubuntu resource page, would be helpful for new folks; if only, to provide links to resources from other sources that could be helpful in configuring XFCE.
[04:27] <mikodo> Just me musing, I guess... See ya!
[04:29] <MarionV> well_laid_lawn, hey man so this is what i get when i ran update-grub "/etc/default/grub: 11: nomodeset: not found
[04:29] <MarionV> "
[04:30] <well_laid_lawn> MarionV: sounds like you didn't edit the file right
[04:30] <well_laid_lawn> can you paste the file?
[04:30] <well_laid_lawn> !paste
[04:31] <MarionV> you said i was suppose to put nomodeset right after the quiet splash right
[04:31] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[04:31] <well_laid_lawn> on the same line
[04:31] <well_laid_lawn> so   quiet splash nomodeset
[04:31] <MarionV> http://paste.ubuntu.com/730671/
[04:32] <methylenedioxy> what gpu?
[04:32] <MarionV> huh?
[04:32] <methylenedioxy> Nevermind, I was thinking you needed someting else but it's only for i915
[04:33] <well_laid_lawn> the nomodeset should be in the " with the quiet splash
[04:33] <well_laid_lawn> so   "quiet splash nomodeset"
[04:34] <MarionV> oh ok
[04:35] <well_laid_lawn> :)
[04:36] <MarionV> so my kernel is missing http://paste.ubuntu.com/730672/
[04:39] <MarionV> well_laid_lawn, what is the terminal command to update my kernel?
[04:40] <well_laid_lawn> the linux image's are the kernels
[04:40] <MarionV> and i have 3.0.0 installed but it does not show it on that output i pasted
[04:41] <well_laid_lawn> you sure it is installed? the image is in /boot?
[04:42] <MarionV> for some reason no but they show in the software center
[04:43] <well_laid_lawn> if it's not in /boot it won't be found by os-prober
[04:44] <MarionV> how do i fix this
[04:46] <well_laid_lawn> I've never had that issue
[04:46] <well_laid_lawn> I just use apt on the command line
[04:48] <well_laid_lawn> hit the reload button maybe
[04:48] <MarionV> one day i will stop asking stupid questions
[04:48] <MarionV> what do i do
[04:49] <well_laid_lawn> MarionV: did you hit the reload button?
[04:49] <MarionV> well_laid_lawn, yeah still nothing
[04:49] <MarionV> what do i need to type for the apt
[04:50] <well_laid_lawn> sudo apt-get update   is the best start
[04:52] <MarionV> ok did that and then reloaded
[04:52] <MarionV> is there an apt to install the kernal
[04:53] <well_laid_lawn> apt-cache search linux   to find the one you want
[04:53] <well_laid_lawn> the sudo apt-get install linux-versionyouwanthere
[05:31] <MarionV> So it would appear that nomodeset did not work after all
[07:58] <zon> howdy!
[08:05] <ball> hello zon
[08:10] <puff> Hm, looks like some funkiness with sound.
[08:10] <puff> Not sure if thats oneric or xubuntu.
[08:10] <zon> Can anyone tell me, how to get size of multiple folders in Thunar?)
[08:12] <zon> Do I need to write special script?)
[08:13] <puff> I was playing some youtube videos earlier, the sound worked okay.  Suspended to ram, reopened just now, no sound from my videos. or from banshee (rhythmbox seems to have disappeared in xubuntu).
[08:14] <Sysi> pulseaudio -k
[08:17] <TheSheep> zon: I would just use baobab or du from the command line
[08:17] <zon> hm
[08:18] <zon> TheSheep: me too
[08:19] <zon> but It's wrong way
[08:20] <Sysi> I think thunar has some lackness in that
[08:37]  * zon is going to learn C to implement this feature :))
[09:07] <tjingboem> in the terminal my computer has a very long name
[09:07] <tjingboem> menno@menno-Sheeks-Northwood-Brookdale-Customer-Reference-Board:~$
[09:07] <tjingboem> can i make it shorter
[09:07] <tjingboem> and where?
[09:08] <TheSheep> edit /etc/hostname
[09:08] <TheSheep> and use the 'hostanme' command to change it right away
[09:08] <TheSheep> hostname
[09:49] <tjingboem> will do so, thanks TheSheep
[09:54] <ball> How can I feel hot and cold at the same time? That makes no sense.
[10:01]  * ball sticks a sweater on
[12:44] <tjingboem> is there a xubuntu program that shows tiff and jpg and png?
[12:54] <TheSheep> tjingboem: firefox, for example...
[12:54] <tjingboem> never mind, i found xli - just what i wanted
[12:55] <tjingboem> no i needed just a small image viewer
[12:55] <vaev> if ubuntu tends to prefer gtk+ apps and kubuntu qt apps, where does xubuntu stand?
[12:55] <tjingboem> byt thankd again TheSheep :)
[12:56] <TheSheep> vaev: gtk
[12:56] <TheSheep> vaev: without gnome deps, if possible
[12:57] <vaev> okay good to know. thanks
[12:57] <vaev> I'm trying to choose for a certain laptop, a fast and simple to maintain distro
[12:58] <vaev> as an xfce user I immediately thought of xubuntu
[13:10] <TheSheep> you can alsayws pick your own apps
[13:18] <vaev> does it use the ubuntu repositories directly or are they cloned for xubuntu and modified/maintained separately?
[13:50] <Myrtti> vaev: ubuntu repositories
[15:04] <asterismo> hi people
[15:04] <asterismo> switched to xubuntu yesterday and i need some help with gtk3 themes
[15:04] <asterismo> can anyone help me?
[15:05] <ochosi> asterismo: what exactly do you need help with?
[15:08] <asterismo> hi ochosi
[15:09] <asterismo> the thing is that i installed xubuntu 11.10 and changed the default email client to evolution that is what i use
[15:09] <asterismo> and i noticed that since evolution is gtk3 app
[15:09] <asterismo> the theme that only applies is greybird which i do not like
[15:10] <asterismo> i would like to have a simple light theme, like mist
[15:10] <ochosi> then you have to look for other themes online or use e.g. the ubuntu theme. from the ones installed by default in xubuntu greybird is the only theme that supports gtk3 at the moment
[15:10] <asterismo> or some other simple theme that would apply to all applications including gtk3 ones
[15:11] <asterismo> and i searched xfce-look.org, gnome-look.org but i did not find any gtk3 theme or xfce theme compatible with gtk3
[15:11] <ochosi> yeah, there aren't so many yet. well in fact on gnome-look you should find quite a few
[15:11] <Sysi> try zukitwo
[15:11] <ochosi> but only the more recent ones
[15:11] <asterismo> i noticed that greybird is not compatible with faenza icon theme
[15:11] <asterismo> that i would like to use
[15:12] <ochosi> Sysi: Zukitwo is very similar to greybird, if he doesn't like greybird he won't like Zukitwo...
[15:12] <ochosi> asterismo: how is it not compatible with Faenza?
[15:12] <Sysi> asterismo: faenza and greybird are working great for me
[15:12] <Sysi> ochosi: it's lighter
[15:14] <asterismo> for me visual design is very important, and since years ago, dark themes (those using dark toolbars and panels) are not fully visually well designed (IMHO)
[15:14] <asterismo> for example, dark icons with dark backgrounds
[15:14] <asterismo> or light icons with light backgrounds
[15:15] <asterismo> for me is very important to have dark icons in light backgrounds or light icons in dark backgrounds
[15:15] <asterismo> that thing not happen with faenza (any of it's variants) and a dark theme, say ambiance, greybird...
[15:16] <asterismo> you can see it in panel icons, evolution anf firefox icon toolbars...
[15:16] <asterismo> so i choose to use fully light themes because they do not break visual design
[15:16] <Sysi> there should be faneza for both, dark and light panels/themes
[15:17] <asterismo> but only fix the panels
[15:17] <asterismo> they do not fix contextual menus, or applications icon toolbars (see transmission, evolution, firefox) those are default apps in ubuntu-gnome
[15:17] <asterismo> but anyway
[15:18] <asterismo> i just found out that there is no gtk3 compatible light theme
[15:19] <Sysi> I find several on gnome-look.org
[15:20] <asterismo> please paste the link
[15:20] <asterismo> every theme i download i do not see the gtk3 folder
[15:21] <asterismo> how do i install them anyway?
[15:22] <Sysi> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/elementary-borderless-elegance?content=142930
[15:22] <Sysi> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Smoothly?content=146464
[15:22] <Sysi> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Aldabra?content=142247
[15:22] <Sysi> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Zukitwo?content=140562&PHPSESSID=fcc64823ab0b133d6f8732bfe2b9e726
[15:23] <asterismo> aldabra i downloaded it
[15:23] <asterismo> but it is not gtk3
[15:23] <asterismo> sorry
[15:23] <asterismo> it is
[15:23] <asterismo> but how do i install it?
[15:24] <Sysi> copy theme folder to ~/.themes
[15:24] <Sysi> you may need to create that hidden folder
[15:25] <asterismo> done
[15:25] <asterismo> ok
[15:25] <asterismo> thanks very much
[15:30] <asterismo> Zukitwo is not compatible with the window list toolbar applet
[15:30] <asterismo> it renders white text over light background
[15:30] <asterismo> i'll keep searching
[15:30] <Sysi> I linked four themes and none of them work?
[15:32] <asterismo> i was talking about Zukitwo, i got the others
[15:33] <Sysi> I know it's a bit bugsy and ment to be used with that almost transparent bg-image
[15:35] <asterismo> yes
[15:35] <asterismo> it's all right
[15:36] <asterismo> the thing was that there was always a light theme that made all to work
[15:36] <asterismo> but i switched to xubuntu after 6 years of using gnome
[15:37] <asterismo> i couldn't handle unity
[15:37] <asterismo> it crashed sessions to me browsing pictures folder
[15:37] <asterismo> so
[15:37] <asterismo> i switched to xfce and found that it's great
[15:37] <asterismo> i can do everything just like before
[15:37] <asterismo> but
[15:37] <asterismo> i'm missing a nice light theme
[15:38] <asterismo> thats all
[15:46] <asterismo> this is the theme
[15:46] <asterismo> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Clearwaita?content=145210
[16:00] <GridCube> so if i rotate my display the pointers gel_all broken!
[16:02] <GridCube> i wonder if there`s a way to rotate pointers automagically
[16:28] <blomgren> Hello - Anybody have experience with getting wireless drivers to work with xubuntu?
[16:29] <blomgren> The "additional drivers" seemed to identify my wireless card okay (I checked the driver against the actual card), but I can't get wireless to work.
[16:31] <GridCube> you have activated it?
[16:31] <GridCube> seems like a stupid question but it happens
[16:31] <blomgren> yes
[16:31] <blomgren> (no offense taken!)
[16:31] <Sysi> and rebooted?
[16:32] <blomgren> yes - several times
[16:32] <blomgren> I tried booting with a live usb with pclinuxos, and my wireless card worked right away
[16:32] <blomgren> With this, it identifies the driver, I activated it and rebooted, but I can'
[16:32] <GridCube> are you using 11.10?
[16:32] <blomgren> t seem to get it to work from there.
[16:32] <blomgren> yes
[16:32] <blomgren> xubuntu 11.10
[16:33] <blomgren> this is a hp pavillion dv2000
[16:34] <blomgren> 01:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01)
[16:36] <charlie-tca> silly question, did it work with the xubuntu live session?
[16:36] <blomgren> No.
[16:37] <blomgren> The thing with the live session, is that you activate the driver, but it says you need to reboot before the driver will work.
[16:37] <blomgren> I've gone through the forums and wikis, and everything I have found seems related to finding and installing the drivers.  In my case, it looks like the correct drivers were already ‪identified and installed.
[16:37] <charlie-tca> You need bcmwl-kernel-source
[16:37] <charlie-tca> bcmwl-modaliases
[16:37] <charlie-tca> installed, I think
[16:37] <blomgren> just apt-get install those?
[16:37] <charlie-tca> yes
[16:38] <charlie-tca> but that is the extent of my wireless knowledge, too.
[16:38] <charlie-tca> I would suggest #ubuntu-beginners after all of us here exhaust our knowledge.
[16:40] <blomgren> I tried bcmwl-kernel-source, but got a "already the newest version" message.
[16:41] <blomgren> Tried the modaliases, but got a "package is not available, but is referred to by another package.  This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is available from another source However the following packages replace it: bcmwl-kernel-source
[16:42] <GridCube> blomgren, are you using this? http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php
[16:43] <blomgren> no.  I'm just using what xubuntu automatically provided.
[16:43] <GridCube> also this, its in spañish but its fairly easy to understand http://www.alcancelibre.org/article.php/como-driver-bcm43xx-linux
[16:44] <blomgren> (which it calls the Broadcom STA Wireless Driver"
[16:46] <blomgren> Okay.  I'll try removing what was automatically installed, then try this.
[16:47] <GridCube> :)
[16:47] <GridCube> good luck
[16:48] <blomgren> This is a pretty fresh install, so worse case, I can start from scratch.
[16:48] <GridCube> :D lets hope it not ends like that
[16:52] <blomgren> dumb question . .  but in the compilation commands, is "uname" to be substituted with my username?
[16:52] <charlie-tca> no
[16:52] <blomgren> Thanks
[16:52] <charlie-tca> uname refers to the kernel info
[16:53] <charlie-tca> things like $USER are for username
[16:56] <blomgren> thanks
[16:57] <blomgren> Okay rebooting now with fingers crossed.
[17:00] <blomgren> I'm back, and still no wireless as far as I can tell
[17:00] <GridCube> :(
[17:02] <blomgren> Repetir del paso 4 al 8 cada vez que se actualice el núcleo del sistema (paquete kernel en Fedora, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, CentOS 5, etc.; paquete linux-2.6 en Debian y Ubuntu).
[17:02] <blomgren> I got the part about repeating steps 4 through 8, but that's about it.
[17:03] <GridCube> it says, repeat this everytime your kernel updates
[17:03] <blomgren> Gotcha
[17:03] <blomgren> Still seems odd to me that the Ubuntu installed driver wasn't working.
[17:04] <GridCube> dunno
[17:06] <blomgren> PCLinuxOS was working right off the live usb.  Maybe a kernel thing? Or maybe there is some distro specific utility that got it.
[17:07] <charlie-tca> broadcom is a weird beast, there are more than one driver, even for the same cards, but only one driver will work for each card.
[17:08] <blomgren> ok.
[17:17] <jimmy8888> hi guys. is there a way to get a world/international clock in xubuntu?
[17:20] <GridCube> gworldclock?
[17:21] <charlie-tca> sure
[17:21] <charlie-tca> try menu -> Accessories -> Global clock
[17:21] <charlie-tca> works better for Xubuntu
[17:21] <GridCube> yes that one
[17:21] <GridCube> i knew there was one from orage
[17:21] <charlie-tca> orage has world clock capability, as seen by the 17 time zones I have set
[17:22] <GridCube> you crazy charlie-tca
[17:22] <jimmy8888> do you mean "Orage Globaltime"?
[17:22] <charlie-tca> jimmy8888: yes
[17:22] <charlie-tca> You can add as many timezones as you need to it, and tell it to display on all workspaces
[17:23] <jimmy8888> ok cool that seems to work. is there a way to display these timezones on the panel somehow?
[17:23] <jimmy8888> :)
[17:24] <charlie-tca> I haven't found a way
[17:24] <jimmy8888> ok thats all good. thanks!
[17:24] <charlie-tca> however, replacing clock in panel with orage clock does work too
[17:25] <charlie-tca> You can add extra orage clocks for the time zones, if there aren't too many
[17:25] <jimmy8888> ahh sweet yep i just added two orage clocks. one for each timezone i care about. perfect!
[17:25] <charlie-tca> I used to keep one clock for utc and one for local time in the panel
[17:26] <charlie-tca> when the calendar appears, right click it to set options. There is one to make the calendar not appear all the time
[17:38] <blomgren> Any other suggestions on my broadcom wireless issues?
[18:36] <birdman007> I tried switching from lightdm to gdm so i could have the same login screen as in ubuntu 11.10 but i got this error when i used dpkg- reconfigure  http://paste.ubuntu.com/731216/
[18:42] <madnick> birdman007: Ubuntu 11.10 does not use GDM
[18:46] <madnick> birdman007: please dont PM me, its not that I dislike it, its just that I cannot switch window fast, since I got so many windows :)
[18:47] <madnick> But no, it uses LightDM, and the unity-greeter
[18:48] <hobgoblin> xubuntu uses lightdm-gtk-greeter - or at least it does here
[18:49] <charlie-tca> yes, ande Ubuntu uses lightdm-unity-greeter
[18:49] <birdman007> preference noted : ) , oh ok so i just have to install unity-greeter
[18:49] <hobgoblin> birdman007: you weren't by any chance following a small forum thread were you?
[18:49] <charlie-tca> so to use the Ubuntu greeter requires installing unity-greeter and removing lightdm-gtk-greeter
[18:50] <hobgoblin> charlie-tca: can I quote that to someone on the forum?
[18:51] <charlie-tca> quote what?
[18:51] <charlie-tca> yes, ande Ubuntu uses unity-greeter
[18:51] <hobgoblin> installing unity-greeter and removing lightdm-gtk-greeter
[18:51] <charlie-tca> yes
[18:51] <hobgoblin> someone there is after the same thing :)
[18:51] <hobgoblin> k
[18:51] <charlie-tca> of course you may. Thanks for asking, though
[18:52] <hobgoblin> well - I'm newish to xubuntu and am still fiddling about - not bothered more than just adding a different image to the greeter :)
[18:53] <charlie-tca> which reminds me, is there something in "/etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf" that has to be changed too?
[18:54] <hobgoblin> I Was looking at that - perhaps the greeter line
[18:54] <charlie-tca> yes, this one
[18:54] <charlie-tca> greeter-session=lightdm-gtk-greeter
[18:54] <charlie-tca> must be changed to
[18:54] <charlie-tca> greeter-session=unity-greeter
[18:55] <charlie-tca> and you don't even have to remove anything then
[18:55] <hobgoblin> yea - I sort of played with that without knowing I needed to remove the lightdm-gtk - reboot failed and I ended up in recovery root nano'ing it :)
[18:56] <charlie-tca> lightdm just got working for Xubuntu after beta2, so we had about 10 days with it
[18:57] <hobgoblin> lol - good job done then
[18:58] <hobgoblin> charlie-tca: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11434924&postcount=4 does that look right?
[18:58] <hobgoblin> if you've a moment to look ...
[19:00] <Hoby_> hi
[19:01] <madnick> Hoby_:
[19:01] <madnick> ops
[19:01] <charlie-tca> hobgoblin: looks great
[19:01] <madnick> hobgoblin: user-session:xubuntu
[19:01] <charlie-tca> Thanks for passing that along
[19:01] <madnick> greeter-session=unity-greeter
[19:01] <Hoby_> hi there needsome help
[19:01] <madnick> make sure unity-greeter installed a .desktop file in xgreeters
[19:02] <charlie-tca> Hoby_: needs help is too big a subject
[19:02] <madnick> user-session=xubuntu * :)
[19:02] <charlie-tca> !anyone
[19:03] <Hoby_> ok installed fritz wlan stick and it worked,  but afte reeboot it does not anymore,
[19:03] <Hoby_> i am really really new with ubuntu
[19:04] <Hoby_> like installed it saturday
[19:05] <genii-around> !details
[19:05] <hobgoblin> charlie-tca: done that - thanks
[19:06] <charlie-tca> Check if the stuff you installed to make it work is still therre, unplug and replug it, etc?
[19:07] <hobgoblin> madnick - it installed one - I'll add that to the post just in case
[19:08] <Hoby_> newest version xubuntu 10.10, well i tried  everything in my windows knowledge possible to get my wlan stick to work, it is correctly under Windows WLAN Driver, and I can configure it under networ properties but it won't connect
[19:09] <birdman007> where do i check to make sure unity-greeter installed a .desktop file in xgreeters
[19:09] <madnick> hobgoblin: well, does it work? ;)
[19:09] <madnick> birdman007: ls /usr/share/xgreeters
[19:09] <hobgoblin> no idea madnick - still fiddling with some other stuff - and eating :p
[19:09] <madnick> lol
[19:10] <madnick> I install like 5 greeters per day, but it was long since I installed the unity-greeter
[19:10] <madnick> not sure how that .deb looks
[19:11] <hobgoblin> back in a minute then ...
[19:12] <birdman007> time to log out and see if i changed everything right, i hope i didn't mess anything up
[19:17] <hobgoblin> charlie-tca madnick - nope that failed ...
[19:19] <hobgoblin> possibly it's this - unity-greeter[1425]: segfault at 0 ip 00221cbb sp bf9aa230 error 4 in libgio-2.0.so.0.3000.0[189000+142000]
[19:20] <hobgoblin> looking at syslog - I have the same error earlier when I tried
[19:21] <madnick> hm
[19:21] <madnick> let me try
[19:21] <hobgoblin> k
[19:24] <madnick> hm
[19:24] <madnick> okay
[19:25] <madnick> 1 sec i think i found the problem
[19:25] <hobgoblin> worked for you ?
[19:25] <hobgoblin> wb birdman007
[19:26] <birdman007> nothing changed i think i didnt do something right
[19:26] <hobgoblin> I'd hang on birdman007 - mine failed miserably :)
[19:34] <hobgoblin> :)
[19:35] <hobgoblin> the only way to learn - or at least how I learnt most of what I learnt was to break and start again
[19:40] <madnick> well,
[19:40] <madnick> you need org.gnome.setting-daemon.plugins.background
[19:41] <hobgoblin> orly
[19:41] <hobgoblin> and where does that come from :)
[19:41] <madnick> setting the background
[19:41] <madnick> it raises a critical assert
[19:42] <hobgoblin> mmm - that'll be voodoo then ... no idea what that meant :)
[19:43] <hobgoblin> certainly no idea how to accomplish it - or even if it's worth it - at least for me - I was just trying to help
[19:43] <madnick> well, i will try to get it working
[19:43] <madnick> no matter what it takes
[19:43] <madnick> but it will take a while
[19:43] <madnick> :)
[19:44] <hobgoblin> ok - well I've found this channel now and it's in my list - so I'll be about if you remember
[19:44] <charlie-tca> So it really isn't user usable any more to switch?
[19:44] <madnick> to early to say
[19:45] <madnick> okay
[19:45] <hobgoblin> I've removed my post on the forum - lucjky I can do that without having to get someone to do it - but I'll put a note in there along the lines of 'it's not as easy as you'd think' for the time being
[19:45] <madnick> got it working
[19:45] <madnick> :)=
[19:45] <hobgoblin> lol
[19:45] <madnick> install
[19:45] <hobgoblin> that's was a while ...
[19:45] <madnick> sudo apt-get install gnome-settings-daemon
[19:45] <madnick> but tbh
[19:45] <madnick> it probably breaks something else
[19:45] <madnick> :)
[19:45] <hobgoblin> mmmm
[19:46] <hobgoblin> I'll do it in vbox perhaps :)
[19:46] <charlie-tca> so, next time, I will answer "nope" and be done with it
[19:46] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/works.png
[19:46] <madnick> fany
[19:47] <madnick> fancy our new background
[19:47] <madnick> (the old one does not exist ;))
[19:47] <hobgoblin> charlie-tca: and I'd be none the wiser
[19:47] <madnick> but yeah, i had to change quite a bit
[19:47] <madnick> to get it working
[19:49] <madnick> i wonder if one should make a package with the unity greeter that is optimized for xubuntu O_o
[19:49] <birdman007> so i have to get gnome-settings-daemon also
[19:49] <madnick> yes
[19:50] <charlie-tca> madnick: not unless you are bored, and plan to maintain it for at least 18 months on 11.10, and probably three years in Precise
[19:50] <madnick> charlie-tca: :(((
[19:50] <madnick> 5 years right? ;P
[19:50] <charlie-tca> unity greeter is a moving target, too :(
[19:51] <charlie-tca> Don't think xubuntu will go for 5 years,
[19:51] <madnick> oh right i forgot about that
[19:51] <birdman007> do i just install it and thats it or do i have to do something else
[19:52] <madnick> yes
[19:52] <madnick> change some configurations files
[19:52] <madnick> I'd say dont even do it
[19:52] <madnick> or if you insist, have a backup
[19:53] <madnick> of all lightdm files
[19:53] <madnick> and be ready to purge the gnome settings daemon
[19:54] <hobgoblin> madnick: worked here - horrid - changed it back :p
[19:54] <madnick> :D
[19:55] <birdman007> so which configuration files do i change
[19:55] <hobgoblin> thanks for both your help - I shall go and fiddle with the post on the forum
[19:55] <hobgoblin> birdman007: I see you waited for me to say it worked then ... :)
[19:56] <hobgoblin> madnick: though it was black and white - not the purple thing - but heyho
[19:56] <madnick> hobgoblin: need to change the bg manually :)
[19:56] <madnick> birdman007: lightdm.conf
[19:56] <madnick> unity-greeter.conf
[19:56] <Thermi> hmm
[19:56] <madnick> unity-greeter.desktop
[19:56] <Thermi> another theme
[19:56] <Thermi> an audio greeter which spells the username
[19:56] <Thermi> did anyone think of this? :D
[19:57] <madnick> :)
[19:57] <hobgoblin> madnick: I'll add that to the post too madnick - do you know what the bg image is off the top of your head - if not I'll let them figure it out for themselves :)
[19:58] <madnick> hobgoblin: well just take any image hehe
[19:58] <madnick> i just took
[19:58] <madnick> /usr/share/wallpapers/albatross.png
[19:58] <birdman007> what do i change in the files
[19:59] <hobgoblin> madnick: oic - it's just the one in the lightdm.conf file is it
[20:00] <madnick> paste 731304
[20:00] <madnick> hm
[20:00] <madnick> paste.ubuntu.com/731304
[20:05] <hobgoblin> well that's the longest post I've made on the forum in a while - it's been moved to recurring or closed mostly since oneiric released :) - good to be helping again
[20:06] <hobgoblin> I think I got all of it - http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11434924&postcount=4 - if not I'll read the logs ...
[20:07] <madnick> hm you are staff, how come you need to be logged in on the forum to read it if you set firefox to use swedish as primary language? :o
[20:09] <hobgoblin> luckily for me I am just a lowly mod and not admin so I can say I have no idea at all ... though if you were by chance trying to read something in the Archive then it is like that for everyone
[20:11] <madnick> hobgoblin: oh i see :)
[20:12] <hobgoblin> if not you could make a bug report for it https://launchpad.net/ubuntuforums.org
[20:12] <madnick> hobgoblin: well i figure it is a the archive that comes up when i google
[20:13] <hobgoblin> aaah yea :(
[20:13] <birdman007> still nothing :/
[20:13] <hobgoblin> that's an issue
[20:13] <madnick> birdman007: it does not work for you?
[20:13] <madnick> at all?
[20:16] <madnick> birdman007: okay i see, run this command:
[20:16] <madnick> acctually, first restore lightdm.conf
[20:16] <madnick> and cp the one with hte unity greeter to ~
[20:16] <birdman007> ok
[20:17] <madnick> then when you done that
[20:17] <madnick> sudo apt-get install xserver-xephyr ; lightdm --test-mode -d -c lightdm.conf
[20:18] <madnick> then you dont need to fiddle around in recovery mode
[20:18] <madnick> after that, report back what the output said
[20:22] <birdman007> what was the original greeter-session
[20:22] <madnick> lightdm-gtk-greeter
[20:24] <MarionV> so does anyone know how to have the system automatically do xset dpms 0 0 0
[20:24] <MarionV> on boot
[20:24] <madnick> put it in startup
[20:24] <madnick> in settings -> session and start up
[20:25] <MarionV> there is no seesion and start up
[20:25] <hobgoblin> it's in settings manager
[20:26] <birdman007> how do i cp the one with hte unity greeter to ~         whats the command, sorry i dont know the terminal that well yet still learning
[20:26] <madnick> okay, well
[20:26] <madnick> if you already changed lightdm.conf then create a new one in /home/yourname
[20:27] <madnick> and make it look exactly like the one you changed now, but also put unity-greeter as greeter-session :)
[20:27] <MarionV> ok so once in session and start up what do i do next
[20:28] <madnick> autostart
[20:28] <madnick> add
[20:28] <madnick> then just write the command you want to run :)
[20:28] <MarionV> cool thanks
[20:30] <MarionV> just the linux community is one of the reasons i like using xubuntu better than windows
[20:34] <birdman007> what do you mean put unity-greeter as greeter-session
[20:34] <birdman007> change it to greeter-session.conf
[20:35] <madnick> in your home folder
[20:35] <madnick> make a file called lightdm.conf, and write this in it:
[20:35] <madnick> [SeatDefaults]
[20:35] <madnick> user-session=xubuntu
[20:35] <madnick> greeter-session=unity-greeter
[20:38] <birdman007> ok, now do i do the apt-get command
[20:40] <madnick> yes
[20:40] <hobgoblin> both of them
[20:40] <hobgoblin> if necessary
[20:45] <birdman007> a window popped up with the login screen, do i login?
[20:45] <madnick> :)
[20:45] <madnick> if it did
[20:45] <madnick> it should work
[20:45] <madnick> if you copy the lightdm.conf to /etc/lightdm and logout
[20:45] <madnick> birdman007: if its the unity screen :)
[20:47] <birdman007> the window says Xephyr on :1.0
[20:47] <birdman007> thats the title of the window
[20:47] <madnick> yes, but is it the unity greeter that pops up? :)
[20:47] <birdman007> yes
[20:47] <madnick> and it seems to look ok and work fine?
[20:49] <birdman007> it looks ok and everything i click on works
[20:49] <madnick> okay, then just: sudo cp lightdm.conf /etc/lightdm
[20:50] <madnick> and logout, and back in :)
[20:50] <birdman007> every time i try to close that window a new one pops up :D
[20:51] <madnick> press ctrl+c
[20:51] <madnick> on the terminal that you typed it in
[20:52] <birdman007> ok, now to logout and log back in
[20:55] <birdman007> still didnt change anything :(
[20:55] <birdman007> aww well
[20:55] <madnick> are you sure that you copied that data? because that does not make sense
[20:56] <birdman007> yea i did sudo cp lightdm.conf /etc/lightdm
[20:56] <madnick> and if you now did cat /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[20:56] <madnick> what does it say?
[20:57] <birdman007> [SeatDefaults] user-session=xubuntu greeter-session=unity-greeter
[20:57] <zenrox> that post dint work for me
[20:58] <madnick> zenrox: the unity greeter post?
[20:58] <zenrox> yep
[20:58] <madnick> have you installed the unity-greeter + gnome-settings-daemon
[20:58] <zenrox> wouldent even start the dm
[20:58] <zenrox> and yess
[20:59] <zenrox> followed the post to a t
[20:59] <zenrox> and nothen
[20:59] <zenrox> i had to revert
[21:00] <zenrox> just to get a desktop
[21:00] <well_laid_lawn> !enter
[21:00] <hobgoblin> which is what I got to start with
[21:01] <madnick> it works really fine here
[21:01] <madnick> but you need to reboot after installing stuff
[21:01] <zenrox> yep
[21:01] <zenrox> i know
[21:01] <zenrox> did that twice
[21:01] <zenrox> nothen
[21:01] <madnick> lightdm have already read the configuration file
[21:02] <madnick> zenrox: could you run lightdm --test-mode -d
[21:02] <madnick> and give me the debug output
[21:04] <zenrox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/731376/
[21:05] <madnick> zenrox: xserver-xephyr, is that installed?
[21:06] <zenrox> no
[21:06] <zenrox> its just a nest server tho
[21:06] <madnick> yes
[21:07] <madnick> If lightdm dont get an x server it cant run properly
[21:09] <zenrox> trying agine
[21:09] <zenrox> brb
[21:11] <birdman007> I rebooted and it got stuck with the bar moving bak and forth
[21:11] <madnick> probably an fsck check :)
[21:11] <madnick> did it say "keys:"
[21:11] <birdman007> Idk I'll mess with it later, talk to y'all later
[21:12] <birdman007> Have a good day everybody : )
[21:13] <hobgoblin> funny how it worked for me and you but not the other 2
[21:14] <zenrox> ok it worked once i did sudo lightdm --test-mode -d
[21:14] <zenrox> in a vt
[21:14] <madnick> okay
[21:14] <zenrox> other wise its not starting like it should
[21:15] <madnick> hm
[21:15] <zenrox> so i got to feguer out how to get it starting like it should
[21:15] <zenrox> but after a ciggy tho
[21:16] <madnick> hobgoblin: i suspect a lack of touching unity-greeter.conf :)
[21:17] <hobgoblin> :)
[21:17] <madnick> There is more fun greeters than the unity greeter ;)
[21:18] <TheSheep> sudo /etc/inittab.lighrestart
[21:18] <hobgoblin> is there? all in the repos are they - or something like *-look
[21:21] <olbi> hello
[21:21] <olbi> I have some problems with gmusicbrowser, I add files flac and dont see any filenames :/
[21:22] <olbi> under Exaile and Rhythmbox it is visible
[21:22] <olbi> what could be problem?
[21:22] <olbi> files where created and Windows 7, AIMP2 Audio Converter
[21:24] <holstein> olbi: interesting
[21:24] <holstein> i was under the impression flac was supported
[21:24] <holstein> olbi: do you have another user account? or would you mind creating one and trying there?
[21:25] <virunga> Hi
[21:27] <holstein> https://trisquel.info/en/forum/gmusicbrowser-cant-play-flac might be relevant olbi
[21:27] <virunga> i have a pc with a Athlon at 1.6 GHz with 1 GB of ram. This more or less are the ubuntu requirements, but i thought with xubuntu the pc could go faster. Is this right? Can i install libreoffice on Xubuntu?
[21:28] <holstein> virunga: xubuntu is ubuntu
[21:28] <holstein> the repos are the same... so you have access to the same software
[21:28] <charlie-tca> yes, you can install libreoffice on Xubuntu.
[21:29] <holstein> its using XFCE instead of gnome or unity, which typically most users find runs faster
[21:29] <charlie-tca> The more you addd to be like Ubuntu, the less performance you get
[21:29] <holstein> yeah ^^ you end up bogging it back down if you do too much :/
[21:29] <virunga> Ok, i got it. Thank you :)
[21:32] <zenrox> ok back madnick
[21:32] <hobgoblin> thanks for the help - cya
[21:33] <madnick> zenrox: well, i cannot really see any reason why it would fail, if you used my configuration
[21:34] <olbi> i could check under virtualmachine w8
[21:34] <madnick> paste.ubuntu.com/731304
[21:34] <zenrox> i dont either
[21:36] <zenrox> its just not starting like it should
[21:37] <zenrox> like xubuntu is not starting lightdm
[21:37] <olbi> holstein: it same under another system
[21:37] <olbi> hostein: gmusicbrowser can't see filenamse
[21:37] <holstein> olbi: another system? or user?
[21:38] <olbi> another system
[21:39] <holstein> well, its a long shot, but a fresh user would get any configuration you do out of the equation
[21:41] <olbi> LOL, now problems with update java.tzdata from pl.archive.ubuntu.com :P
[21:42] <zenrox> i wonder if it has something to do with lightdm-gtk-greeter
[21:42] <Loptr> Can someone help me improve my boot time?
[21:43] <olbi> Loptr: how long system is booting? my about 30 - 40 seconds
[21:43] <olbi> so it isnt bad
[21:44] <charlie-tca> Make sure the grub menu timeout is 0?
[21:44] <charlie-tca> (/etc/default/grub
[21:44] <charlie-tca> )
[21:44] <Loptr> olbi, mine is around 25-30 but for my machine it just seems long.
[21:45] <Loptr> i read some guys make it 5-10 seconds and i tought i could do that but its not working, i stopped the majority of startup serviced i don't need
[21:45] <Loptr> even made static ip adres to remove network-manager
[21:45] <Loptr> ;]
[21:47] <knome> xubuntu community meeting in 15 minutes at #xubuntu-devel. everybody is free to take part :)
[21:49] <Loptr> ChanServ, olbi  This is my bootchart without any startup services, even screensaver,ibus, and etc are gone
[21:49] <Loptr> http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9951/asgardoneiric201111073.png
[21:49] <zenrox> hmm
[21:53] <olbi> i have to do my bootchart :D
[21:53] <olbi> never did that :D
[21:55] <Loptr> Its fun but thats how they get you hooked :D
[21:55] <genii-around> Loptr: If you still have some sysinitv stuff thats loading, you can use one-time boot option of: profile   to parallelize those. Might get another second or three
[21:55] <madnick> zenrox: still not working?
[21:55]  * Unit193 likes the name of the computer
[21:56] <noob13> hey, any idea how to switch off touchpad tapping in xfce?
[21:56] <genii-around> Loptr: ( you boot with that option, it organizes the items so that boot takes longer, but subsequent boots should be a bit faster )
[21:59] <Loptr> genii-around, i didin't quite understood what you said where do i have to do that? Is that a grub option or?
[22:01] <genii-around> Loptr: Yes, a grub option in the line which loads the kernel. ( normally where you see like quiet splash ).  So for one boot you put in: profile     and when it loads that time, it tries to figure out which sysinitv scripts it can load in parrallel next boot. The next time you boot, you don't require the "profile" option and it should be at least a little bit faster
[22:02] <knome> xubuntu community meeting @ #xubuntu-devel NOW. everybody is free to join :)
[22:02] <Loptr> I understand
[22:02] <Loptr> i'll try that. thanks
[22:03] <zenrox> madnick nope
[22:03] <zenrox> but if i manualy start it it works
[22:03] <zenrox> so i need to find whare xubuntu starts it
[22:17] <zacarias> Has someone installed libreoffice on 10.04 or 10.10?
[22:27] <zenrox> ok i am gona try adding start lightdm to /etc/rc.local just to see if this will work
[22:27] <zenrox> brb rebooting
[22:28] <madnick> i assume you we
[22:28] <madnick> ok to late
[22:32] <zenrox> thare fixed
[22:33] <zenrox> aparently lightdm is not starting like it should so i added it to /etc/rc.local
[22:33] <zenrox> and bam fixed
[22:34] <madnick> i must ask
[22:34] <madnick> did you uninstall the lightdm-gtk-greeter?
[22:35] <zenrox> no
[22:35] <zenrox> left it alone cause it would of removed xubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-default-settings
[22:35] <madnick> Well, glad it worked out, I am no wiser about what could've caused this :\
[22:35] <zenrox> even tho that wouldent have made a big different
[22:35] <zenrox> me neather
[22:36] <preecher> in the task manager i show columns with "PID"  "RSS"  "CPU"  wht does RSS actually mean?  i know its something to do with memory -  reason i am asking the amount showing in task manager differs from that showing in system monitor---any help appreciated
[22:36] <madnick> process id
[22:37] <madnick> oh
[22:37] <madnick> rss
[22:37] <madnick> Resident Set Size likely
[22:37] <madnick> How much memory of a process that is held in RAM
[22:37] <madnick> contrary to swapped
[22:37] <preecher> so that wouldnt necessarily mean the mount the prog is using?
[22:37] <preecher> oh ok
[22:38] <preecher> mount = amount
[22:38] <preecher> and thanks madnick
[22:39] <zenrox> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1846552&highlight=install+lightdm+xubuntu i used this thread to add it to /etc/rc.local
[23:26] <go8765> can anybody help me please to turn on managing of mouse by keyboard ?
[23:36] <ochosi> go8765: what exactly do you mean?
[23:36] <knome> ochosi, move cursor with arrow keys possibly
[23:36] <knome> and stuff
[23:37] <ochosi> oh
[23:37] <ochosi> right
[23:37] <go8765> ochosi, I need to use mouse moving from keyboard
[23:37] <ochosi> pfew, no clue tbh
[23:38] <ochosi> i thought you meant something like: get to the mouse-preferences by only using the keyboard :)
[23:39] <go8765> so how I can do this?
[23:40] <knome> go8765, we don't know
[23:40] <go8765> :)
[23:40] <go8765> good answer :)
[23:40] <knome> have you looked at google?
[23:42] <madnick> Hm, I wrote an app like that long ago, not sure I still have it tho, not sure XFCE offers such a tool, I recon thats why i wrote it
[23:43] <go8765> knome, m... yes, but I have some special environment and google cant help...
[23:57] <Hopeless> Hey, I was just about to download and install Xubuntu over my current OS, and as a previous Ubuntu user, I was hoping there would be a way I could install it using a USB drive, I couldn't find an option on the xbuntu.org/get page but I was wondering if there was another way I could use my USB to install Xubuntu instead of a burning a CD as that is not possible, any help?
[23:58] <holstein> Hopeless: your machine *must* support USB booting
[23:58] <Hopeless> My Machine accepts it.
[23:58] <holstein> then, you can use several tools to make a bootable USB stick from the downloaded iso, including just dd copying them over now
[23:59] <holstein> but, i have not tried dd copying them... i still use unetbootin
[23:59] <holstein> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/