[01:26] <fenix-migusta> hello
[01:27] <fenix-migusta> olá
[01:30] <fenix-migusta> hi??
[02:13] <colon_D> how long does it usually take to delete a PPA from your account? i wanted to recreate mine from scratch and its been showing up grayed out for the last 5 hours :(
[02:21] <EvilResistance> colon_D:  it seems it'll be greyed out forever :/
[02:21]  * EvilResistance has 3 PPAs he flagged for deletion a year ago and they're still not poof'd
[02:21] <colon_D> ahh...good to know, lol
[02:22] <colon_D> I guess I'll try to recreate one with the same name..see what happens
[02:23] <colon_D> Doh... "You already have a PPA named 'foobar'."
[02:24] <wgrant> PPA deletion is mostly to allow people to rename their accounts. It doesn't currently let you create a new one with the same name.
[02:26] <colon_D> any admins frequent this chan that could potentially re-enable, or purge?
[02:27] <wgrant> Reenabling is not supported, but can sort of be done.
[02:27] <wgrant> Add /+edit to the URL, check the Enabled and Publish flags.
[02:29] <colon_D> ah, cool.  It's back.
[02:30] <colon_D> I just hope that didn't mess anything up..kind of need this repo working and not poofing at random :/
[02:30] <wgrant> Why did you delete it?
[02:32] <colon_D> well I'm new to the whole PPA thing.  I published my initial commit with the wrong gpg key, and instead of trying to wipe that out, or recommit with the right key I figured I'd just wipe the whole project and start it up again properly so I had a clean slate.  Page said it would take an hour on average, wasn't in a time crunch so went ahead with it
[02:34] <colon_D> Interesting thing is after doing your trick it seems my previously build package is now gone...so looks like a fresh ppa
[02:35] <wgrant> The package is still recorded, just marked deleted.
[02:35] <wgrant> Same as if you'd used the 'Delete packages' link.
[02:36] <colon_D> yup, you're right. it's in there, can see it if I filter for 'Any status'
[02:54] <EvilResistance> wgrant:  alive?
[02:54] <wgrant> EvilResistance: No.
[02:54] <EvilResistance> :P
[02:54] <EvilResistance> or any other person with expert level launchpad-fu
[02:54] <EvilResistance> in any case, my question is this
[02:55] <EvilResistance> if i am trying to backport something within a ppa that i have called ppa:lpid/backports/...
[02:55] <EvilResistance> and the required backported build-dep exists in the aforementioned backports ppa
[02:55] <EvilResistance> will the builders recognize the build-dep version is *in* that ppa?
[02:55] <EvilResistance> or do i have to specify it somehow?
[02:56] <EvilResistance> (the ubuntu-motu people *think* it'll work without any other specifications, but i want to confirm)
[02:56] <wgrant> If they're in the same PPA, or a PPA that is set as a dependency for that PPA, yes, they will be found automatically.
[02:56] <EvilResistance> ah good
[02:56] <EvilResistance> so less worrying for me :P
[04:09] <EvilResistance> is there a way for me to copy the source package of swig2.0 for oneiric into my PPA?
[09:11] <mrevell> ello
[09:18] <jtv> oi
[10:20] <nigelb> Hello mrevell! Back in London?
[10:22] <mrevell> Hey nigelb, back in the UK, yep :)
[10:23] <nigelb> :)
[10:32] <mrevell> Launchpad's Google+ page: https://plus.google.com/b/109129028036222996031/
[10:33] <bigjools> the logo is wonky!
[10:33] <mrevell> Hang on, I'll fix it
[10:34] <lifeless> mrevell: well, thats *your* LP g+ page, right? [current implementation is they are single-owner :P]
[10:34] <bigjools> heh
[10:35] <mrevell> It's the one we've got right now, working within the confines of what they offer. We could go all Ayn Rand, I guess, and set up a bunch of competing Google+ pages for Launchpad.
[10:37] <lifeless> mrevell: yeah baby!
[10:37] <lifeless> mrevell: I don't know whether to admire, or shake head, at googles release process for G+
[10:38] <mrevell> Heh :)
[10:39] <mrevell> bigjools, Logo should be less wonky now.
[10:39] <bigjools> \o/
[10:40] <mrevell> With any luck they'll make it easy to promote pages to multiple ownership.
[10:40] <mrevell> I'm not going to make a big deal about it just yet as I'm still kind of sceptical about how useful it'll be.
[10:41] <lifeless> mrevell: do we have a g+ mirror of @launchpadstatus? That might be useful
[10:41] <lifeless> mrevell: the facebook page is pretty uhm, static
[10:41] <mrevell> lifeless, Now that's a good idea. identi.ca seems slower to respond every time I visit.
[10:42] <lifeless> mrevell: its probably getting more popular :>
[10:43] <mrevell> As for the Facebook page ... I'm handing all of this to Dan. I didn't want it to ape the status feed, as it felt like it should be something other than that ... Facebook being more fluffy, than anything.
[10:44] <lifeless> yeah
[10:44] <lifeless> I'm with you
[10:44] <lifeless> I wonder if it mirroring the blog would be good
[10:44] <lifeless> I think it does already ;)
[10:44] <mrevell> Yeah, or the straight launchpad identi.ca/launchpad_net Twitter feed.
[10:45] <lifeless> G+ status stream mirroring identi.ca, G+ vanity page mirroring blog, perhaps ?
[10:45] <lifeless> I dunno, its all too fluffy for me :)
[10:46] <mrevell> Heh :) Dan's back at work tomorrow, so I'll let him set out a social media strategy (every one of which I've read previously being, "Post to Twitter .... Profit!")
[10:47] <mrevell> I have to admit, the term "social media" makes me shudder a little.
[10:53] <lifeless> mrevell: its like social disease?
[10:55] <mrevell> I think my objection to it comes from my impression that it is often used in place of any actual meaning. It's the current equivalent of "portal"; a word that does have a use and meaning but that was hijacked by bandwagon-jumpers in lieu of having any actual ideas. Also, so called social media experts seem to take themselves very seriously.
[10:57] <lifeless> naturally; they are experts!
[10:57] <mrevell> haha
[10:58] <nigelb> mrevell: They are indeed experts at calling themselves experts :)
[10:59] <mrevell> I don't deny that there is a skill-set that is useful in sparking, then maintaining, enthusiasm around a bunch of Twitter/Facebook stuff but there does seem to be a bit of a bubble in the esteem in which the holders of such skills are held. Anyway, I'm rapidly going off-topic here.
[10:59] <nigelb> heh
[12:25]  * senden9 
[12:29] <mardy> hi :-)
[12:29] <allenap> mardy: Hello :)
[12:29] <mardy> there are some error with importing my project from git:
[12:29] <mardy> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/84700393/mardy-webcredentials-libaccounts-glib-trunk.log
[12:31] <allenap> mardy: I've asked someone who's very familiar with this stuff to come and help.
[12:32] <mardy> allenap: thanks
[12:35] <allenap> mardy: jelmer isn't responding right now, but he'll probably be back later.
[12:36] <mardy> allenap: np
[12:45] <jelmer> hi allenap, mardy
[12:47] <mardy> jelmer: hi!
[12:48] <mardy> jelmer: I've some trouble importing my git project into lp:
[12:48] <mardy> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/84700393/mardy-webcredentials-libaccounts-glib-trunk.log
[12:48] <jelmer> what's the code import?
[12:49] <mardy> jelmer: https://code.google.com/p/accounts-sso.libaccounts-glib/
[12:58] <jelmer> mardy: one sec
[13:45] <jelmer> mardy: hi
[13:46] <jelmer> mardy: I've managed to reproduce it locally, but I can't see immediately what's going wrong
[13:46] <mardy> jelmer: hi. Cool!
[14:18] <allenap> bigjools: Fwiw, wrt https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/177795, there's a HOWTO at https://dev.launchpad.net/PolicyAndProcess/BugImportHowto.
[15:00] <mardy> jelmer: any success?
[15:21] <jelmer> mardy: Still looking, but I think I'll have to give up for now and file a bug about this.
[19:18] <jussi> hrm. I think I just found a tiny bug, but Im not certain of what the propper solution is.
[19:22] <jussi> Anyway. I am a member of a team which has someone in it that was a member a while back, ceased to be a member, then came back as a member. LP notes they have been a member since way back when - I *think* it should note they have been a member since only when they rejoined.
[19:23] <jhobbs> should be a setting per group!
[19:25] <beuno> I would expect the opposite (the current behavior)
[19:25] <beuno> especially for accidental expires
[19:26] <Renegade15> the curious question is: Why does it save the previous affiliation in the first place?
[19:26] <Renegade15> Is there a "past memberships" or "previous members" page somewhere?
[19:27] <beuno> I don't think there is on a per-person level
[19:27] <jussi> Renegade15: yes, there is
[19:27] <Renegade15> ah, that explains it
[19:28] <jussi> beuno: hrm, I guess its different use case things here. for say, ubuntu members - that kinda makes sense. for say, the community council, it makes none.
[19:28] <jussi> I thin k the correct behaviour should be to both list them as past and present members
[19:29] <beuno> I think the answer here is that it needs to be a historic thing
[19:30] <jussi> beuno: what do you mean by that?
[19:31] <beuno> jussi, "Member for 1 year 2 months, first joined on X date"
[19:31] <beuno> maybe
[19:32] <jussi> hrm. I still prefer listing in both sections - which is the same thing, but presented in a different way, no?
[19:32] <Renegade15> is that listing different from the current semantics?
[19:33] <jussi> Renegade15: hrm?
[19:33] <Renegade15> i.e. would that be 1 year 2 months since X, or since the most recent join?
[19:34] <jussi> Renegade15: for beuno's idea? neither. total time they were actually a member
[19:34] <beuno> yes, I'd cheat  :)
[19:34] <Renegade15> I'll bet money you'd get bug reports for that
[19:34] <jussi> hehe
[19:35] <Renegade15> because people would calculate from X to now, see it wouldn't match up with the sum, and complain
[19:36] <Renegade15> how about a listing "Member from 01.07.2007 - 04.03.2009, 11.10.10-now"?
[19:36] <jussi> You understood my proposal? listed in the previous members for the time they were a member previously, and the reason they were removed (deactivated, expired - same as is listed now). then they would also be in the current member section.
[19:37] <jussi> that tells the whole story in a clear way imho
[19:37] <Renegade15> jussi: That would make sense, but might also lead to bug reports re: double listing
[19:37] <Renegade15> end users can be difficult like that >_>
[19:38] <Renegade15> "CommanderFoo has rejoined the team, why is he still listed as historic?! He's current!"
[19:38] <jussi> hehe. but still, in any change you are going to have some sort of confusion
[19:38] <Renegade15> not trying to be difficult, just playing the devil's advocate
[19:38] <jussi> what we want is clear, but accurate.
[19:39] <Renegade15> how is the data saved at the moment?
[19:40] <Renegade15> join date + active member boolean?
[19:40] <jussi> Renegade15: no idea.
[19:40]  * jussi hasnt looked that deep into it
[19:40] <Renegade15> well, the convertibility of historic data would be an issue, too
[19:41] <jussi> yeah, this is true.
[19:41] <Renegade15> if the leave dates are missing (which could cause the current behavior), you can't magically add those afterwards
[19:42] <jussi> yes. I would be suprised if they were deleted though - they have been used before elsewhere.
[19:42] <jussi> so they probably dont get magically deleted from the db
[19:42] <jussi> ie. the person has been in the previous members list before.
[19:45] <Renegade15> maybe the most productive thing to do would be logging a change request in the tracker ^^
[19:45] <Renegade15> to get more points of view
[19:46] <jussi> Renegade15: likely. I will think on it a little more first. But yes, i do plan to report a bug.
[19:47] <Renegade15> or just do a ninja-edit on the code and blame someone else <_<
[19:48] <jussi> thankfully I have no coding ability and even less access to LP code :)
[19:49] <Renegade15> do you have a general grasp of LaunchPad's functionality?
[19:51] <jussi> Renegade15: I use it on a daily basis, so Id hope so.
[19:51] <Renegade15> okay, question: Is there a way to delete blueprints, and I'm just too blind to find it, or are they immortal objects?
[19:55] <jussi> Renegade15: not that I know of
[19:56] <Renegade15> hmm...I was afraid of that. Oh well, at least I didn't miss the obvious. ^^
[19:57] <jussi> can mark it a superseded though
[20:02] <Renegade15> any general gotchas you would want to warn people about?
[20:03] <jussi> dont join too many projects at once? :D
[20:04] <Renegade15> heh
[20:05] <Renegade15> any in terms of technical usage?
[20:06] <jussi> nothing. its pretty self explanatory
[21:26] <marw> hello. i already have an ssh key i use on gitorious. is is better to create a new one, or use this one on launchpad?