[00:45] <duanedesign> holstein: philinux sent an email on the Beginners Team mailing list wanting to do interviews with some of the folks who are gracious enough to volunteer their time in this channel helping users
[00:45] <holstein> duanedesign: i saw that..
[00:45] <holstein> phil is awesome :)
[00:45] <holstein> i responded... and i'll make sometime
[00:45] <duanedesign> i thought you were not on the mailing list?
[00:46] <holstein> duanedesign: i got a personal email AFAIK
[00:46] <duanedesign> ahh
[00:46] <duanedesign> well I thought of you when i read the email
[00:46] <holstein> :)
[00:46] <duanedesign> it would be awesome if you get the time. Would be a great chance to let users know about the channel
[00:47] <duanedesign> and you deserve some kudos for your work :)
[00:47] <holstein> yeah... i think its meen so benificial for so many
[00:47] <holstein> not just the 'i just installed and... whatever'
[00:48] <holstein> the beginner... the ones that are using, but have more advanced questions
[00:48] <holstein> and, helping out really enforces things for me
[00:48] <duanedesign> i know channels like this and the forums were huge for me when i started using Ubuntu
[00:48] <duanedesign> plus I think the 'community experience' is part of what makes Linux and FOSS so great
[00:49] <holstein> yeah, and say what you want about ubuntu... this community *is* awesome
[00:49] <duanedesign> something really cool about people who give an ask for nothing in return
[00:49] <duanedesign> i agree
[01:05] <ibuclaw> http://i.imgur.com/1Drkx.gif
[01:24] <deper29> hey guys, I'm having trouble with internet on my machine. I just installed 10.04, but my ethernet keeps disconnecting and giving me really poor speeds. If I boot into Windows I do not get this problem
[01:24] <deper29> I can pastebin my log, but I don't know which log I am supposed to select :S
[01:24] <holstein> deper29: are you able to upgrade?
[01:24] <deper29> to 11?
[01:25] <holstein> deper29: just the updates to the packages you have installed
[01:25] <deper29> I'm using my phone as a modem to update right now
[01:25] <holstein> cool... after that, if its still an issue, we can drill down a bit
[01:25] <deper29> it kicks in and out every now and again when I tether it though for some reason
[01:25] <deper29> kk
[01:26] <deper29> few minutes left
[01:27] <holstein> deper29: open a terminal and run
[01:27] <holstein> lspci -nn | grep Network
[01:27] <holstein> should just be a line you can paste here
[01:28] <deper29> no output at all
[01:29] <holstein> deper29: you can run
[01:29] <holstein> lspci
[01:29] <holstein> and put that in pastebin
[01:29] <deper29> I did
[01:29] <deper29> wait
[01:29] <deper29> just lspci?
[01:29] <holstein> yup
[01:31] <deper29> http://paste.ubuntu.com/731576/
[01:33] <deper29> updates just installing now
[01:34] <holstein> maybe you need http://www.realtek.com/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=13&PFid=5&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false#2
[01:34] <holstein> check out https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/347711 see if you think its relevant
[01:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 347711 in linux "Realtek RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller Unstable on Jaunty" [Medium,Confirmed]
[01:34] <holstein> its old
[01:35] <deper29> holstein: How do I do that?
[01:35] <holstein> check out that link?
[01:35] <holstein> just review the posts, and see if you find it relavant
[01:36] <holstein> its referencing that driver i linked
[01:36] <holstein> but, first thing is try the updates from canonical
[01:36] <deper29> oh! didn't see that second link :P
[01:36] <holstein> deper29: no worris
[01:36] <holstein> worries*
[01:40] <deper29> installed updates
[01:40] <deper29> restarted
[01:40] <deper29> now it's not connecting through ethernet at all
[01:40] <holstein> whats it seem like?
[01:40] <holstein> interesting
[01:41] <holstein> deper29: usually, i try live CD's til something works, then i make a note of pacakges and kernels
[01:41] <holstein> but, you can try the drivers from the site
[01:41] <holstein> or, the windows drivers
[01:41] <deper29> how do I install the realtek driver?
[01:42] <holstein> depends
[01:42] <holstein> should be instructions
[01:44] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/731584/
[01:44] <holstein> deper29: ^^ thats from the readme
[01:48] <deper29> thanks :)
[01:48] <deper29> was just reading that
[01:52] <deper29> there we go
[01:52] <deper29> it's working :)
[01:52] <deper29> next question lol
[01:52] <deper29> my resolution is awful. I go to additional drivers, but it says there are none :S
[01:52] <holstein> deper29: you got network?
[01:53] <deper29> I have an Nvidia GeForce GTX 550 Ti
[01:53] <deper29> I have network
[01:53] <holstein> deper29: w00t!
[01:54] <deper29> :)
[01:54] <deper29> thanks for that
[01:54] <deper29> any ideas about this resolution though?
[01:54] <holstein> deper29: this is where i am
[01:54] <holstein> http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2011/07/install-download-nvidia-driver-for.html
[01:55] <deper29> kk
[01:56] <holstein> looks promising
[01:56] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates/+packages
[01:58] <deper29> which one should  I be downloading from there?
[01:58] <deper29> damn, network connection is there, but not that great :/
[01:58] <deper29> 120 kB/s
[01:59] <deper29> 50 kB/s
[01:59] <holstein> well, one for lucid
[01:59] <holstein> not sure which is for your card
[01:59] <holstein> deper29: i dont lose sleep over it yet
[01:59] <holstein> the network
[01:59] <deper29> yeah :/
[02:00] <holstein> deper29: where are you getting that figure?
[02:00] <holstein> some download?
[02:00] <deper29> i'm trying to install some plugins on firefox
[02:00] <deper29> it's down to 30 now
[02:00] <holstein> yeah
[02:00] <deper29> in windows I am around 700
[02:00] <holstein> dont worry about that
[02:00] <holstein> that could be anythinng
[02:00] <holstein> not on your end
[02:01] <deper29> :/
[02:01] <deper29> all i've had is grief trying to install ubuntu
[02:02] <deper29> it's like it's not meant for my hardware
[02:02] <holstein> http://www.ryanchapin.com/fv-b-4-627/Simple-Network-Speed-Command-Line-Test-for-Linux.html
[02:02] <holstein> deper29: you can try the windows driver too
[02:02] <holstein> but, its not necessarily on your end
[02:02] <holstein> and there is a driver for your graphics card
[02:02] <holstein> it can be a hassle though
[02:02] <holstein> deper29: i would also just try other live CD's
[02:02] <holstein> like 11.10
[02:02] <holstein> 11.04
[02:02] <holstein> whatever
[02:03] <deper29> those are worse haha
[02:03] <deper29> they didn't like my UEFI
[02:03] <deper29> nor did they like my video card
[02:03] <holstein> is this a macbook?
[02:03] <deper29> no
[02:03] <deper29> custom
[02:04] <holstein> well, i would do something like the link above to confirm the throughput is not as expected
[02:04] <holstein> and then, try adding the appropriate PPA for your hardware
[02:04] <holstein> for the graphics card
[02:05] <holstein> bbl... dinner...
[02:07] <deper29> nc: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known
[02:08] <holstein> deper29: just dont base your speed on what you see when downloading something from the internet
[02:08] <holstein> set up something local
[02:09] <holstein> deper29: also, check out wget --output-document=/dev/null http://speedtest.wdc01.softlayer.com/downloads/test500.zip
[02:09] <holstein> thats from http://stackoverflow.com/questions/426272/how-to-test-internet-connection-speed-from-command-line
[03:10] <brian> I am trying to set up a DoD Cac card for login to AKO. I have the CAC reader working but it crashes Firefox everytime the card is inserted or if the card is inserted, Firefox will not start. Does anyone know about getting CAC readers to work or is there a better IRC for this type of question?
[03:10] <brian> btw: using Ubuntu 11.10 and Firefox 7.0.1
[03:11] <holstein> this is old, but might help
[03:11] <holstein> http://www.hrgeeks.com/2008/11/21/using-a-dod-cac-with-ubuntu-and-firefox/
[03:11] <holstein> this too https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonAccessCard
[03:12] <brian> I used the information on the hrgeeks site and still have the problem. I posted a question on the site earlier but waiting for a response.
[03:13] <holstein> brian: did you try 10.04?
[03:14] <brian> No, I did not. I started using Ubuntu at 10.10. I am not sure how to downgrade Ubuntu without a fresh install
[03:14] <holstein> you shouldnt
[03:15] <holstein> brian: you could probably get that running live though
[03:15] <holstein> i mean... if you get tired of waiting on a response, you could try 10.04 live
[03:16] <brian> Ok, I'll give that a try. I have a live usb of 10.10 laying around somewhere. I'll try that and 10.04 and see if I can get any luck. Thanks!
[04:07] <r4y> help
[04:07] <philipballew> r4y, okay
[04:07] <philipballew> help with what
[04:07] <r4y> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/355522
[04:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 355522 in gvfs "DBus error org.gtk.Private.RemoteVolumeMonitor.Failed" [Low,Confirmed]
[04:08] <r4y> I can't mount my hard drive with this CD of Ubuntu and before that it said init was gone
[04:08] <r4y> Why is a bug like this low?
[04:09] <philipballew> well you filed a bug i see
[04:09] <r4y> No
[04:09] <r4y> It was someone else
[04:09] <philipballew> i am noot sure why it is low
[04:09] <r4y> This is not a dual boot at all
[04:10] <r4y> Well, I have other hard drives, but my cpu makes noises when I try to have 2 hards and my cd player connected
[04:10] <r4y> cd player/cd-rom of coarse
[04:11] <r4y> I sort of have most of my files backed up from a few months ago
[04:11] <r4y> I should try another hard drive I guess
[04:12] <r4y> It would be nice to figure out what is going wrong though
[04:13] <philipballew> the bug should yealled that soon
[04:18] <r4y> How do I find out what job is pending?, What can I do?
[04:18] <philipballew> top shows jobs running and I would look in your logs as well if it was me
[04:18] <r4y> How?
[04:19] <holstein> r4y: can you format EXT ?
[04:19] <holstein> i would just mark yourself effected, and post a comment
[04:19] <r4y> Will it erase everything?
[04:19] <r4y> O
[04:19] <holstein> r4y: yeah, its a question
[04:19]  * philipballew agrees with holstein 
[04:19] <holstein> its just, if you dont *need* ntfs, you might as well go ext
[04:20] <r4y> Do I do that in Gpart or Disk Utility, or the terminal
[04:20]  * holstein high-fives philipballew :)
[04:20] <holstein> r4y: dont just do it 'willy-nilly'
[04:20]  * philipballew gives holstein a bear hug
[04:20] <holstein> lest think about it...
[04:20] <holstein> whats on the drive? windows? or just data?
[04:20] <r4y> "/dev/sda1"
[04:20] <r4y> Ubuntu 10.10
[04:21] <r4y> and data
[04:21] <holstein> and its ntfs?
[04:21] <r4y> I will check
[04:21] <holstein> if it were my system, i would want to test that drive... theres a 'disk utility' on the live CD's
[04:23] <r4y> A message popped up
[04:23] <r4y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/731684/
[04:23] <r4y> I can't remember where to go to post pictures
[04:24] <holstein> imagebin
[04:24] <r4y> yes
[04:24] <holstein> but, i think you should test that drive
[04:24] <holstein> and the ram too while you're at it
[04:24] <r4y> I will
[04:25] <holstein> r4y: if all is well, i would try and check for, and apply all upgrades
[04:25] <holstein> see if you still have the issue, and let us know :)
[04:31] <r4y> The window for taking screen shots was messing up this image, but what ever
[04:31] <r4y> http://imagebin.antiyes.com/index784.html
[04:32] <holstein> yeah... theres a test there r4y
[04:32] <r4y> I tried to get it to check the file system using DU short for Disk Utility but it keeps saying that some job is pending
[04:32] <holstein> should take a few hours
[04:32] <holstein> thats the one i would want to run, to be sure
[04:33] <r4y> OK, so what do I click on?, or do I use the terminal?
[04:34] <holstein> r4y: right there
[04:34] <r4y> I mean mount doesn't work and check file system doesn't work, so should I try to view smrt data and run self tests?, or?
[04:34] <holstein> 'veiw smart data and run self-tests'
[04:36] <r4y> which test do you recommend?, O, right extended which now I am guessing is why you mentioned ext, right?, Ok then.
[04:37] <holstein> r4y: the long indepth one is the one i like to run
[04:37] <holstein> but, you can run them all if you want
[04:37] <holstein> starting with the short ones
[04:38] <r4y> Failed to read
[04:38] <holstein> see.. thats not good
[04:38] <holstein> i would want to get a live CD
[04:38] <holstein> something to really test that thing
[04:38] <holstein> i would get my data off, if its not already off
[04:39] <holstein> it might be you just need to run fsck
[04:39] <r4y> It sort of is backed up
[04:39] <holstein> and you can do that (and should try it) from a live CD
[04:39] <r4y> I am on a live CD of Ubuntu right now
[04:39] <holstein> r4y: well, just be sure you are prepared to sort-of lose all that data
[04:39] <holstein> just in case
[04:39] <r4y> right
[04:40] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SystemAdministration/Fsck
[04:40] <holstein> you run it from a live CD
[04:40] <r4y> I should think if there is anything I really need of of this hard drive.
[04:40] <r4y> I have a question
[04:41] <r4y> If there isn't anything I need off of this hard drive then can I just jump to DBAN or Hirens?
[04:42] <holstein> r4y: its your drive.. go for it
[04:42] <holstein> i would try fsck though first
[04:42] <holstein> even if you want to wipe
[04:42] <holstein> just to see it happen, and see if it helps
[04:43] <r4y> I mean I could but will it mark bad sectors with fsck that would be kept after running DBAN?, I mean if I ran fsck then DBAN that is.
[04:44] <r4y> I worded the beginning of that wrong
[04:44] <holstein> dban is just going to do that
[04:44] <holstein> wipe
[04:44] <holstein> fsck could potentially save the install
[04:45] <r4y> So then fsck will not be remembered by the computer for bad sectors if DBAN is done after fsck?
[04:45] <r4y> I think I get it if that is the case
[04:46] <r4y> I wanted to know this before once when I was doing this.
[04:46] <holstein> the computer doesnt have a very intimate relationship with your hard drive
[04:46] <r4y> ha ha nice.
[04:46] <holstein> if you have bad sectors, you want them remapped or whatever the hard drive can do with them
[04:47] <r4y> Well, I might as well run fsck then, but I remember there being different commandline tools for this and different options to add.
[04:49] <holstein> r4y: check out that link...
[04:49] <holstein> you want to run it from a live CD
[04:49] <holstein> prolly on the hirens CD
[04:50] <r4y> Sorry I missed that link. OK checking
[04:50] <r4y> There will be a difference in the command, right?
[04:51] <holstein> r4y: ?
[04:51] <holstein> from the hirnes CD?
[04:51] <holstein> not sure
[04:52] <holstein> might be a click-n-run GUI for it
[04:52] <r4y> I have a disk here that says Hirens Boot CD 10.6
[04:53] <r4y> I made using Nero on Windows XP about a year ago
[04:53] <holstein> i dont use it, so i dont know... i use the UBCD
[04:55] <r4y> I will make notes and put them into a text file on a flash drive
[05:00] <r4y> For a beginner like me, shouldn't I stick with no-interactive?, Why would this require interaction?, I am guessing if the user somehow knows where the bad sectors are.
[05:00] <holstein> r4y: i dont do interactive
[05:01] <holstein> i just let it do its thing
[05:01] <holstein> and since you are going to wipe anyways
[05:02] <r4y> Well, I might as well try. "fsck -F ???? -y /dev/sda1"
[05:02] <r4y> ext4
[05:03] <r4y> so "fsck -F ext4 -y /dev/sda1"?
[05:03] <holstein> id have to reference the wiki
[05:03] <holstein> i google it each time ;)
[05:04] <r4y> I had this link I was Googling while we were talking:
[05:04] <r4y> http://www.howforge.com/how-force-fsck-ubuntu
[05:05] <r4y> I am guessing that is the quick one that happens on start up so  many boot ups
[05:05] <holstein> r4y: yup
[05:06] <r4y> Should I try that first?, or will that work?, take CD out after doing the command, then I can do the loner version.
[05:06] <r4y> I meant longer one
[05:08] <holstein> r4y: i dont think it will hurt to try forcing that
[05:09] <r4y> Well, I hope it will work, because I am running off of a CD. Well, I should try it at least so here goes nothing.
[05:09] <r4y> Thank you for the help
[05:09] <holstein> right
[05:09] <holstein> it wont work from CD
[05:10] <holstein> the settings wont be persistent
[05:10] <holstein> thats why i didnt suggest it
[05:10] <r4y> OK, that's OK
[05:10] <holstein> but, instigating it from a live CD is not that big of a deal
[05:10] <r4y> Can I do a quick version from the terminal?
[05:11] <r4y> No reboot
[05:11] <holstein> r4y: you should try it
[05:13] <r4y> Uh, you mean try "fsck -F ext4 -y /dev/sda1", is that short?, or is there a shorter way of checking? then I can do the longer check?
[05:13] <r4y> I didn't mean for the last to have a question mark
[05:15] <holstein> r4y: you'll want the ones for your format
[05:15] <holstein> but that looks right for ext
[05:18] <r4y> I am doing some Google searching right now just to educate myself some more on this.
[05:19] <deper29> okay, i don't know how to add the ppa for my machine
[05:20] <deper29> for whoever is listening :P
[05:20] <holstein> deper29: which ppa?
[05:21] <holstein> i do it in the terminal these days...
[05:21] <r4y> A link to the ppa would help because we need the checksum to verify the source of the ppa I think
[05:21] <holstein> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable
[05:21] <holstein> for example
[05:22] <holstein> then you run sudo apt-get update, and Robert is your mother's brother :)
[05:22] <r4y> ha ha, Robert is my mother's brother
[05:22] <deper29> http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2011/07/install-download-nvidia-driver-for.html
[05:22] <r4y> I am not kidding
[05:22] <deper29> I was given that
[05:23] <deper29> I am running 10.04
[05:23] <holstein> r4y: hehe
[05:23] <holstein> deper29: yeah, i gave you that
[05:23] <deper29> i know
[05:24] <holstein> im not sure which driver supports your hardware though
[05:24] <deper29> but i don't know what to do with ti
[05:24] <holstein> it was GTX 550 Ti
[05:24] <holstein> right?
[05:24] <deper29> yes
[05:25] <holstein> OK
[05:25] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1780211 says You need version 270.41.06 (or later) to support GTX550Ti
[05:25] <holstein> so... lets do this...
[05:25] <deper29> what version is that?
[05:26] <holstein> http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppas/27
[05:26] <holstein> deper29: there are directions there
[05:26] <holstein> just copy/paste them
[05:26] <holstein> the 2 that look like what i had up there ^^
[05:26] <holstein> then, install the nvidia stuff
[05:27] <holstein> sudo apt-get install nvidia-graphics-driver
[05:29] <r4y> update after that, right?
[05:30] <r4y> I found this link:
[05:30] <holstein> depends
[05:30] <r4y> http://linuxexpresso.wordpress.com/2010/03/31/repair-a-broken-ext4-superblock-in-ubuntu/
[05:30] <holstein> i dont think that'll pull in anything new though
[05:30] <r4y> What about updating before hand?
[05:31] <deper29> kk, I will try this
[05:31] <r4y> I guess it doesn't matter
[05:31] <deper29> thanks so much for your help!
[05:31] <holstein> r4y: OH yeah... thats on the site
[05:31] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[05:31] <holstein> the install command is not there though
[05:32] <r4y> Should I check for super blocks first? or do fsck first?
[05:34] <r4y> Maybe it will not matter which to do first. But I wonder which will take the longest
[05:35] <holstein> r4y: i would say, experiment around all you want before you wipe, but, i say just do the fsck and reboot and see
[05:36] <r4y> fair enough
[05:36] <deper29> holstein: said it couldn't find nvidia-graphics-driver
[05:36] <holstein> deper29: did you add the PPA?
[05:36] <deper29> yes
[05:37] <holstein> deper29: open a terminal
[05:37] <deper29> http://paste.ubuntu.com/731716/
[05:37] <holstein> and copy this, and paste it in
[05:37] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[05:37] <deper29> k
[05:37] <holstein> tell me if there are any errors?
[05:37] <holstein> then, sudo apt-get update
[05:37] <holstein> then, you can go with what you know
[05:38] <deper29> kk
[05:38] <holstein> go to synaptic or whatever and search nvidia
[05:38] <deper29> okay, I did those two steps you just said
[05:39] <holstein> deper29: right, so use whatever package manager you are used to
[05:39] <holstein> search nvidia
[05:40] <deper29> just install all?
[05:40] <deper29> or am I looking for something in particular in synaptic?
[05:41] <holstein> hopefully teh nvidia graphics driver from that ppa
[05:41] <deper29> nvidia-graphics-driver?
[05:44] <holstein> deper29: i would just search nvidia
[05:44] <holstein> and look at what comes up
[05:45] <deper29> I did
[05:45] <holstein> ok
[05:45] <deper29> a lot of stuff comes up
[05:45] <holstein> OH, thats good
[05:45] <holstein> one will be the driver you need
[05:45] <holstein> if that PPA is still active
[05:46] <r4y> I don't know what card he has, but I go to system, admin and click on additional drivers, then I picked recommended.
[05:46] <holstein> i really have a challenging time being more helpful with out the hardware in front of me
[05:46] <deper29> is the driver I need called nvidia-graphics-driver
[05:46] <holstein> deper29: thats what i read
[05:46] <deper29> because that doesn't pop up in there
[05:46] <holstein> right
[05:46] <holstein> so, whats that mean?
[05:46] <holstein> the ppa is dea
[05:46] <holstein> d
[05:46] <deper29> r4y: that doesn't work
[05:46] <holstein> its not working
[05:46] <holstein> im not sure
[05:46] <deper29> :(
[05:47] <holstein> deper29: there are plenty other options
[05:47] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates/+build/2840000
[05:47] <r4y> I have a question then.
[05:47] <holstein> you know what you need
[05:47] <holstein> just try some diffrent places to you get it
[05:47] <deper29> what is your question?
[05:47] <holstein> yeah, i was assuming you had already looked there rigth deper29 ?
[05:47] <r4y> Have you looked under software sources to see if it is added there?
[05:47] <holstein> in 'restricted drivers'
[05:48] <deper29> yeah, I did. restricted drivers?
[05:48] <r4y> No, go to , your goning to kill me
[05:49] <deper29> r4y: where in software sources
[05:49] <r4y> go to system, preferences. main menu, then you have to find it
[05:49] <deper29> i'm in software sources
[05:49] <deper29> where in there should I be looking
[05:49] <r4y> it needs to be added to system admin software sources
[05:50] <holstein> its added in the sources... the PPA might be dead
[05:50] <r4y> O, you are
[05:50] <holstein> i didnt check it
[05:50] <deper29> ?
[05:50] <r4y> I think it's authentication
[05:51] <r4y> Or other software
[05:51] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[05:51] <r4y> I don't know
[05:51] <holstein> looks active
[05:52] <r4y> Anyways, that's all I got, the ppa can be added through software sources also. It's an option if the ppa you are trying to use will work for you
[05:53] <holstein> apt-add-repository adds it there
[05:53] <holstein> and pulls in the key
[05:54] <r4y> If it is added then he can look there to see that it is installed
[05:54] <r4y> I am sure there are other ways to see though
[05:54] <deper29> how?
[05:55] <holstein> deper29: its added
[05:55] <holstein> not sure whats failing
[05:55] <r4y> I am just saying there must be other ways to view something that is installed.
[05:56] <r4y> I am sorry for you troubles guys.
[05:56] <holstein> nah... thats what the channel is for r4y :)
[05:56] <deper29> thanks :)
[05:57] <r4y> Hopefully you will find the answer to the problem
[05:57] <holstein> deper29: OK
[05:57] <holstein> open a terminal
[05:57] <deper29> k
[05:57] <holstein> sudo apt-get install nvidia-graphics-drivers
[05:57] <holstein> copy and paste that
[05:58] <deper29> k
[05:58] <holstein> i think we are missing the s
[05:58] <deper29> nope
[05:58] <deper29> couldn't find it
[05:58] <holstein> type..
[05:58] <holstein> sudo apt-get install nvidia
[05:58] <holstein> and hit the tab key
[05:58] <holstein> anything there?
[05:58] <deper29> couldn't find it :(
[05:59] <deper29> wait
[05:59] <deper29> didn't hit tax
[05:59] <holstein> right
[05:59] <deper29> *tab
[05:59] <holstein> dont hit enter
[05:59] <holstein> hit tab
[05:59] <deper29> gives me a hyphen
[05:59] <holstein> right
[05:59] <holstein> keep hitting it
[06:00] <deper29> http://paste.ubuntu.com/731724/
[06:01] <holstein> you could try nvidia-current
[06:01] <deper29> k
[06:01] <deper29> it's installing
[06:01] <deper29> do I reboot after this?
[06:01] <holstein> you'd need to
[06:02] <holstein> assuming its going to work
[06:02] <deper29> yes, of course :P
[06:02] <deper29> god...50kB/s
[06:02] <holstein> you did the other test though right?
[06:02] <deper29> i'm going to go throw a pot of coffee on
[06:02] <deper29> it didn't work :(
[06:03] <deper29> then I went to watch the election results, so thought only of nvidia after
[06:03] <holstein> in the terminal wget --output-document=/dev/null http://speedtest.wdc01.softlayer.com/downloads/test500.zip
[06:03] <holstein> what didnt work?
[06:03] <holstein> you'll need to reboot
[06:04] <deper29> that other test
[06:04] <holstein> wget
[06:04] <holstein> ?
[06:04] <deper29> k, I will have to wait until nvidia is done though
[06:04] <holstein> ok
[06:04] <deper29> it's installing
[06:04] <deper29> how much longer you on here for?
[06:04] <bioterror> holstein never sleeps
[06:04] <deper29> LOL
[06:04] <deper29> neither
[06:04] <r4y> Would it be a good idea to install the ram from my other computer before running fsck to speed it up?
[06:05] <deper29> well, not when i'm trying to get this to work anyway
[06:05] <bioterror> ram doesnt speed fsck
[06:05] <deper29> huge pain...but i know it's worth it in the end
[06:05] <bioterror> fsck is done for the harddrive
[06:05] <holstein> bioterror: hehe
[06:05] <holstein> im about to sleep
[06:05] <r4y> OK, thank you. I have a half stick of ram on this computer. Yes I know get more ram
[06:05] <holstein> good luck everyone... o/
[06:06] <deper29> actually about to sleep?
[06:07] <r4y> Hay, It's bioterror
[06:07] <bioterror> ;)
[06:07] <r4y> deper29 needs help bioterror
[06:07] <deper29> bioterror helped me so much last night
[06:08] <bioterror> mee too
[06:08] <deper29> bioterror doesn't sleep
[06:08] <bioterror> chrome keeps crashing on this work laptop :D
[06:08] <r4y> GTX 550 Ti
[06:08] <bioterror> deper29, it's 8am ;)
[06:08] <deper29> oh, haha
[06:08] <bioterror> I've been up for 3 hours or something
[06:08] <deper29> where are you? it's midnight :P
[06:08] <deper29> I was up until 5 yesterday lol
[06:08] <deper29> work was awful today
[06:09] <r4y> deper29's graphics card is:GTX 550 Ti
[06:11] <r4y> So 512MB of ram will do then?
[06:12] <r4y> I haven't tried chrome.
[06:12] <r4y> O, sorry I didn't read this:
[06:12] <r4y> bioterror helped me so much last night
[06:12] <r4y> OK, sorry
[06:13] <deper29> lol
[06:13] <deper29> he helped me find out that 11.10 was not for me lol
[06:14] <deper29> nonetheless
[06:14] <deper29> saved me a headache
[06:14] <r4y> I haven't tried 11.10
[06:14] <r4y> Why?
[06:16] <r4y> That such a vague short question which is so easy to ask. I remember seeing someone asking that as a troll comment under a youtube video. He asked in response why do you keep asking why for all the videos I comment on?
[06:16] <deper29> 11.10 really doesn't like my efi
[06:16] <deper29> lol
[06:17] <r4y> It's crazy, I don't see the point in trolling
[06:17] <r4y> Well, I sort of understand, but it's not for me
[06:17] <r4y> How might I help you?
[06:18] <deper29> me?
[06:18] <r4y> Yes
[06:18] <deper29> i'm waiting for nvidia drivers to install :P
[06:19] <r4y> O, I hope it works out for you
[06:19] <r4y> I should run fsck
[06:20] <r4y> I am reading fsck's manpage
[06:23] <r4y> Are you around bioterror?
[06:23] <bioterror> I am
[06:23] <deper29> doesn't seem to have worked :(
[06:24] <r4y> What do you suggest for option on fsck?
[06:24] <r4y> I meant options
[06:24] <r4y> A link said: "fsck -F ext4 -y /dev/sda1" well I mean I rewrote what they had
[06:25] <bioterror> myst -a
[06:25] <bioterror> mostly
[06:26] <r4y> I was reading that option thinking where is the -p option on this manpage?
[06:26] <bioterror> it's in 'fsck --help'
[06:27] <r4y> Anyways, I was asking holstein if the fsck that is run on reboot that is quick can be done without rebooting. Is this the same?
[06:27] <bioterror> what
[06:28] <bioterror> it's the same ;)
[06:28] <bioterror> but the one you do on boot is done before mounting /
[06:28] <bioterror> ;)
[06:28] <bioterror> and it's always suggested to do fsck on umounted partition/drive
[06:29] <r4y> Will it be as quick, becaus I don't remember this being quick at all, then again it might have been one of the other file system checking tools I used
[06:29] <bioterror> it's quick if you dont have problems :)
[06:30] <r4y> I should show you this first then
[06:31] <r4y> http://imagebin.org/183102
[06:31] <r4y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/731684/
[06:31] <r4y> One was from earlier
[06:32] <r4y> If a job is pending can I run fsck?
[06:34] <r4y> I should say that most of what's on this hard drive is backed up, so I will not hold this against you.
[06:34] <r4y> I wouldn't any
[06:35] <r4y> I meant I wouldn't anyway
[06:35] <r4y> ble, ble ble ble, lol, sorry for my bad typing.
[06:38] <r4y> I am googling that question. But there is no question, lol
[06:38] <Abhijit> O.o
[06:38] <Chacious> hi
[06:39] <r4y> mount |grep /dev/sda didn't show anything
[06:39] <r4y> hello
[06:39] <Chacious> hope everyone is doing good
[06:39] <r4y> I am OK
[06:40] <Chacious> probably going to delete the windows 8 dev preview off my virtual machine
[06:40] <Chacious> not really digging the whole metro thing, and the fact to get the original start menu back u gotta edit the registry
[06:42] <r4y> I haven't tried to dual boot Windows with Linux at all and I haven't tried anything past Window XP
[06:42] <r4y> Not that I don't want to
[06:43] <r4y> How is Windows 7?
[06:43] <bioterror> I like metro things, I get sea sick in busses
[06:43] <Chacious> I like 7
[06:44] <Chacious> usually when i get a windows machine i strip out all the "good looking things" and tell it to customize for best performance, but I kept aero enabled on 7 and im liking it more than xp
[06:44] <Chacious> I like the idea of metro, but not the implementation how microsoft wants you to use it, needs to be optional
[06:44] <Chacious> you hit windows key and the whole screen is taken up
[06:44] <Chacious> blah
[06:45] <Chacious> im sticking with 7 and ubuntu
[06:45] <Abhijit> buntu rocks
[06:46] <Chacious> yup yup
[06:46] <Chacious> have it as the sole os on my old laptop
[06:46] <Chacious> have it setup as a boinc machine and server
[06:46] <Abhijit> good
[06:47] <Chacious> runs better than xp when i had that installed
[06:47] <Chacious> need to put more memory in it, not like a bad need but it would help
[06:48] <Chacious> it came with 256 mb and I added a 1gb stick a few years ago
[06:48] <Chacious> ubuntu runs fine with only a gig and a quarter in it
[06:48] <Chacious> its pritty old laptop lol only 1.4ghz celeron m cpu
[06:49] <Abhijit> i nevere had any major problems with buntu. i love ikt
[06:49] <Abhijit> it
[06:49] <bioterror> I have problems with upstart and plymouth
[06:49] <Chacious> only issues iv ever had with linux *older versions* was drivers working "out of the box"
[06:49] <Chacious> whats upstart and plymoth?
[06:50] <Abhijit> bioterror, you sucks
[06:50] <Abhijit> :-p
[06:50] <bioterror> Abhijit, I know, but my wife enjoys
[06:50] <bioterror> and so do you ;)
[06:51] <bioterror> Chacious, those are things that does some "magic" on boot
[06:51] <r4y> ha ha
[06:51] <Chacious> upstart sounds like some kind of utility but plymoth lol
[06:52] <r4y> what a great friendship
[06:52] <Chacious> gotta grab a drink
[06:54] <r4y> So I had this same question, can I stop the job that is pending on my hard drive?, And now can I run fsck which I think this link vaguely answer yes to:
[06:54] <r4y> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/new-to-ubuntu-and-having-problems-with-hd-858664/
[06:54] <bioterror> you should run fsck on boot for that drive if it's your / drive
[06:54] <r4y> answer should have be asnwers
[06:55] <r4y> I am on a live cd of ubuntu
[06:55] <bioterror> then you can fsck it
[06:55] <r4y> OK, sorry for all the questions
[06:55] <bioterror> just close file browsers and stuff like that
[06:55] <r4y> Right
[06:56] <r4y> Thank you for the help
[06:56] <r4y> Can I use chatzilla, Firefox doesn't require being open
[06:57] <r4y> Just don't use youtube I am guessing and so on
[06:57] <r4y> I will try not to get in the way here. Thank you for the help bioterror
[06:59] <bioterror> less you ask in here, better it is for yourself?
[06:59] <bioterror> take it as you're learning
[06:59] <r4y> I read the manpage for fsck
[07:00] <r4y> running
[07:01] <r4y> Um, what did I not do right?
[07:01] <r4y> "fsck -F ext4 -y /dev/sda1"
[07:01] <r4y> Usage:
[07:02] <r4y> It says and so forth
[07:03] <r4y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/731764/
[07:04] <bioterror> drop that -F ext4 off
[07:04] <bioterror> use command: fsck.ext4
[07:05] <r4y> OK, it was from a website
[07:05] <bioterror> % fsck.ext4                                                                                                    .:8:38:12 on 11-11-08:.
[07:05] <bioterror> completing external command
[07:05] <bioterror> fsck           fsck.cramfs    fsck.ext2      fsck.ext3      fsck.ext4      fsck.ext4dev   fsck.jfs       fsck.minix     fsck.reiserfs  fsck.xfs
[07:05] <bioterror> ;)
[07:06] <r4y> O oops
[07:06] <r4y> So should it be "fsck.ext4 -y /dev/sda1"
[07:06] <bioterror> that could work getter
[07:06] <bioterror> give it a try
[07:07] <geirha> fsck syntax differs between systems. Looks like you found a page about solaris fsck
[07:07] <r4y> I had to run it with sudo but then
[07:08] <r4y> Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sda1 Filesystem mounted or opened exclusively by another program?
[07:08] <bioterror> sudo is a correct way
[07:08] <r4y> OK
[07:08] <bioterror> r4y, do you have it mounted?
[07:08] <bioterror> in a file browser
[07:08] <r4y> No
[07:08] <bioterror> is your terminal in /media/something
[07:08] <bioterror> pwd
[07:08] <bioterror> tells you where you are :D
[07:09] <r4y> I posted info easlier to confirm it's not mounted
[07:09] <r4y> I will look again
[07:09] <bioterror> mount
[07:09] <bioterror> tells you what you have mounted
[07:11] <r4y> mount |grep /dev/sda didn't show anything
[07:12] <r4y> doe
[07:12] <r4y> I need to chang that
[07:12] <r4y> mount |grep /dev/sda1 didn't say anything
[07:13] <geirha> sudo fuser -v /dev/sda1
[07:14] <r4y> I tried "fsck ext4 -y /dev/sda1" and it didn't work
[07:14] <r4y> Cannot stat file /proc/4318/fd/28: Stale NFS file handle
[07:15] <r4y> So I meant that to say that ""fsck.ext4 -y /dev/sda1" is the only one of the 2 commands that will work if I can get this to work
[07:17] <r4y> I wonder, can I go in an delete the files I don't want some how?, or will this not help?
[07:18] <r4y> I meant through the terminal
[07:19] <r4y> I am guessing not. Then should I DBAN?
[07:21] <r4y> This was the message from before which I googled
[07:21] <r4y> DBus error org.gtk.Private.RemoteVolumeMonitor.Failed: An operation is already pending
[07:22] <r4y> Also when I tried to boot before that it said init was gone
[07:23] <r4y> I had already said that, but I am not sure if you saw that earlier because you weren't typing here at the time I think
[07:25] <r4y> http://bbs.archbang.org/viewtopic.php?id=922
[07:26] <bioterror> archbang :G
[07:29] <r4y> So what ever he did will not work for me?, since he can also mount using sudo
[07:29] <bioterror> sudo umount /dev/sda1
[07:30] <bioterror> does it work for you?
[07:30] <r4y> umount: /dev/sda1: not mounted
[07:31] <geirha> And fuser didn't output anything?
[07:32] <r4y> Where was that command?
[07:32] <r4y> I used it
[07:32] <r4y> I know I did
[07:32] <r4y> Cannot stat file /proc/4318/fd/28: Stale NFS file handle
[07:33] <bioterror> ps aux |grep 4318
[07:34] <geirha> Also, are you sure the filesystem is ext4?  Just running   sudo fsck /dev/sda1   should autodetect the filesystem and run the appropriate command.
[07:34] <r4y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/731782/
[07:35] <r4y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/731784/
[07:35] <bioterror> sudo kill -9 4318
[07:35] <bioterror> :)
[07:35] <bioterror> and then run that fsck again
[07:35] <bioterror> KILL IT WITH FIRE!
[07:36] <geirha> Preferably without -9
[07:36] <r4y> It says the same
[07:37] <r4y> should I check system monitor?, I was going to earlier but I forgot to
[07:37] <bioterror> no
[07:38] <bioterror> nautilus is keeping that fs busy
[07:39] <r4y> How come I have 8 bash command processes going but only 2 terminal windows open?
[07:40] <bioterror> :o
[07:40] <bioterror> hmmm
[07:40] <bioterror> I would probably boot into single user mode
[07:40] <bioterror> with live media
[07:40] <bioterror> and then run fsck
[07:41] <r4y> um, this same cd?
[07:41] <r4y> I have other versions of ubuntu on cd as well
[07:41] <bioterror> yeah, rescue mode
[07:41] <bioterror> or what's that
[07:42] <r4y> Is that different from loading this cd the way I did coming here?
[07:43] <r4y> Will, I need to make a cd for this?
[07:43] <bioterror> no?
[07:43] <r4y> ??
[07:44] <bioterror> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[07:46] <r4y> initframs or something like that was what came up when I tried recovery. Is that the same?, Can I use the command you guys to use for running fsck?
[07:47] <bioterror> yes
[07:47] <r4y> I know that recovery didn't work like it normally has before for me. OK, then I will try sudo fsck /dev/sda1 ther
[07:48] <bioterror> yes
[07:49] <r4y> No pen, I will write this down and try very soon. Thank you for the help
[07:51] <r4y> I have a pencil. Let there be lead.
[07:51] <r4y> got it, I will see you later
[07:51] <r4y> bye :) /
[08:51] <M0hi> Ahhh! missed Andrew :[
[08:51] <bioterror> but you have me!
[08:53] <M0hi> lol
[11:45] <r4y> Hello, I found this:
[11:45] <r4y> http://ubuntu-rescue-remix.org/node/519
[11:45] <r4y> I want to install it on a USB drive
[11:45] <r4y> I am on a live cd
[11:47] <r4y> I am currently downloading it
[11:51] <sattu94> r4y: do you already have Ubuntu?
[11:51] <sattu94> r4y: installed?
[11:52] <r4y> Yes, I guess I will need to get on my other hard drive.
[11:52] <sattu94> r4y: So are you in Ubuntu now ?
[11:52] <r4y> the live cd
[11:52] <r4y> yes
[11:52] <sattu94> r4y: You booted from the liveCD?
[11:52] <r4y> yes
[11:53] <sattu94> r4y: what Ubuntu version are you using?
[11:53] <r4y> I also have 2 other hard drive with Ubuntu on them
[11:53] <r4y> 10.10
[11:53] <r4y> All the way
[11:54] <sattu94> Go to System->Administration->USB Startup Disk Creator
[11:54] <r4y> 3 hard drives with Ubuntu 10.10 on them all but on of them is failing
[11:54] <r4y> OK
[11:56] <sattu94> r4y: now once the .iso that you are downloading is finished. Write it to a USB drive using the Startup Disk Creator. Make sure you backup any data from the pen-drive, that you don't want to lose.
[11:56] <r4y> Thank you I will
[12:01] <r4y> I am confused. The top says source disc image (.iso) or CD which is the live CD I am running, the only current options I have are other which is for this CD, erase disk which is for my pen drive and that's it.
[12:02] <r4y> I am suppose to choose other then open up the file I am downloading
[12:02] <r4y> OK, it's downloaded
[12:03] <r4y> OK, never mind I got it now
[12:03] <r4y> I didn't see the scroll bar
[12:03] <r4y> rather scroll bars
[12:04] <r4y> thank you. I can now try to move on and fix this
[12:05] <r4y> hard drive
[12:05] <r4y> sorry for my incomplete sentence
[12:05] <r4y> take care :) /
[12:07] <ashickur-noor> Any body here?
[12:07] <r4y> I am
[12:08] <ashickur-noor> I want to know about this channel
[12:08] <ashickur-noor> like what activities are done here?
[12:08] <r4y> Helping out new Ubuntu user's as well as people who need help
[12:08] <r4y> Otherwise I don't know
[12:09] <r4y> Anything Ubuntu related you want to know?
[12:10] <ashickur-noor> Not ywt
[12:10] <ashickur-noor> *yet
[12:11] <ashickur-noor> I came here to share what I know
[12:11] <r4y> Cool, that's cool as well
[12:11] <sattu94>  ashickur-noor: Beginners Channel.
[12:13] <ashickur-noor> @sattu94 thnx
[12:13] <r4y> We talk as well. Sharing is fine
[12:14] <r4y> It took me a long time to finally get how to use avidemux the video editor. I didn't know that I had to encode the video and audio for most things
[12:17] <r4y> The first part of a video would usually be black for the first 3 seconds without encoding the video and audio
[12:17] <r4y> as well as other problems
[12:26] <r4y> I went away for a little while
[12:26] <r4y> So what do you have to share?
[12:27] <r4y> Or you meant share help.
[12:31] <r4y> Well anyways, thank you sattu94 for the help. Bye :) /
[12:32] <sattu94> yea Bye!
[12:32] <sattu94> ;)
[13:37] <cprofitt> hey JackyAlcine
[13:39] <JackyAlcine> Hey cprofitt, hire
[13:39] <cprofitt> so how is the school year going JackyAlcine ?
[13:39] <JackyAlcine> *hows life?
[13:40] <cprofitt> pretty good... was at UDS last week and had a productive and inspiring week
[13:40] <JackyAlcine> Slow, I want it to end, lol.
[13:40] <IAmNotThatGuy> cprofitt: Did you see the "New JackyAlcine" in G+ ? ;) He is new
[13:40] <cprofitt> I usually felt that way pre-christmas as well...
[13:40] <cprofitt> I did not see him in G+
[13:41] <IAmNotThatGuy> Ah! ok
[13:41] <cprofitt> I added him :-)
[13:41] <IAmNotThatGuy> Great (:
[13:42] <JackyAlcine> Lol, I changed up my attire a bit. Hence me becoming new.
[13:43] <JackyAlcine> What do you guys think about G+ pages?
[13:44] <cprofitt> I made one for New York...
[13:44] <cprofitt> https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/108847971117039744414/
[13:44] <JackyAlcine> Like the State? Lol
[13:44] <cprofitt> not sure how well they work yet, but willing to give them a try
[13:44] <cprofitt> well... Ubuntu New York
[13:45] <cprofitt> gotta run to a meeting / training session...
[13:46] <JackyAlcine> Very quick.
[14:27] <r4y> Hello
[14:27] <hobgoblin> wb r4y
[14:27] <r4y> How do I find out which hard drive is which for sure?
[14:28] <r4y> one is around 100 or so GBs and the other is around 300 GB or less
[14:28] <hobgoblin> sudo fdisk -l
[14:29] <hobgoblin> from a terminal - that's a lower case L - or you could look in nautilus
[14:29] <r4y> I first need to install udo for a sec
[14:30] <hobgoblin> what is udo?
[14:30] <holstein> udo - universal document - text processing utility ??
[14:30] <r4y> IDK, but it said it was needed
[14:30] <holstein> it?
[14:30] <hobgoblin> found it holstein
[14:30] <holstein> !info udo
[14:30] <holstein> hmmm
[14:30] <hobgoblin> mmm r4y did you do udo fdisk -l ?
[14:31] <r4y> No
[14:31] <r4y> O, yes I did
[14:31] <r4y> oops
[14:31] <r4y> I will just wait
[14:31] <hobgoblin> :)
[14:31] <r4y> hmp lols
[14:31] <holstein> sudo fdisk -l is the way to go
[14:32] <holstein> that reports right there in the terminal... no need to wait
[14:32] <holstein> udo is news to me
[14:32] <hobgoblin> r4y: if you did it in a terminal then sudo apt-get remove --purge udo
[14:32] <hobgoblin> yea new one on me too holstein :)
[14:33] <r4y> I have been trying to run "sudo fsck /dev/sda1", but I couldn't because this hard drive has been running some process which I was trying to do from a LiveCD
[14:33] <r4y> then
[14:33] <holstein> r4y: yeah... see, you just get a live CD... and sudo tell it to fsck
[14:34] <r4y> I tried to use recovery mode to get to a proper shell
[14:34] <hobgoblin> unless swap is on then it might complain - sudo swapoff -a
[14:34] <holstein> if it wont, then tell us the erro messages
[14:34] <holstein> error*
[14:34] <holstein> r4y: the terminal from a live CD is 'proper'
[14:35] <holstein> r4y: if you use recovery mode, then thats *not* the live CD
[14:35] <r4y> which bioterror was trying to get me to, but under grub and under initramfs but it didn't work
[14:35] <r4y> Things have changed though
[14:36] <r4y> I made sure another hard drive that has Ubuntu on it works then I set that as master and the bad one as slave and there is no longer a process running that makes running fsck not work
[14:36] <r4y> Next to go sudo apt-get remove --purge udo
[14:36] <holstein> r4y: when you boot a live CD, you can mount or unmount the drives in question, and fsck or whatever them
[14:37] <r4y> It's still not done installing
[14:37] <holstein> r4y: it?
[14:37] <holstein> im not clear on what you are talking about
[14:37] <r4y> udo
[14:37] <holstein> why did you install that?
[14:37] <hobgoblin> oh lordy lou - was there a lot of dependencies
[14:38] <hobgoblin> holstein: error with sudo = udo blah tells you to install udo :)
[14:38] <r4y> I tried using the live cd for fsck and it wouldn't work because a process was running on the hard drive.
[14:38] <r4y> it was pending
[14:38] <hobgoblin> if it's still installing I'd say there is a problem - udo that is
[14:38] <r4y> Well it's unpacking
[14:39] <holstein> sure, but what udo for?
[14:39] <holstein> why are we installing udo?
[14:39] <holstein> r4y: if you sudo tell it to run, then it *should* run... if it doesnt, we need to look at the exact message
[14:39] <r4y> How do I skip it. I don't think it is anything
[14:40] <holstein> again, if theres nothing on the drive, just wipe it, and then test or whatever
[14:40] <holstein> i wouldnt lose sleep over it
[14:40] <r4y> It's cool. I can do this with or without you
[14:40] <r4y> but I would rather have help, but it's cool
[14:40] <holstein> sure... im not trying to be abreasive
[14:41] <holstein> abrasive*
[14:41] <r4y> I am not mad
[14:41] <holstein> im just thinking, you have been trying to fsck that drive for at least 10 hours that im aware of
[14:41] <holstein> you might want to consider 'plan b'
[14:42] <r4y> I might want to try this first considering plan a might have opened
[14:42] <holstein> well, your driver could be failing
[14:42] <holstein> drive*
[14:43] <r4y> I am aware, as you I think have said before. If it doesn't no big deal
[14:43] <r4y> It just means 3 months of lost time for me
[14:44] <r4y> I am looking in Disk Utility and I think it is /dev/sdb1
[14:45] <r4y> I just did sudo fdisk -l and it says the same.
[14:45] <r4y> Thank you both for the help
[14:46] <r4y> I really didn't mean to be rude, I can't turn back time and change things
[14:48] <r4y> I think -a was suggested as good option to add to fsck
[14:49] <r4y> I took a break so you know
[14:50] <geirha> Only if you are checking more than one filesystem at the same time
[14:51] <holstein> r4y: no worries... and you are doing a great job there diagnosing... i just hate to see you waste time if i can make a suggestion that will save you some :)
[14:51] <r4y> That's mentioned at the top, but at the bottom it's the file system. They should consider rewrite these
[14:52] <r4y> I understand. You are absolutely right in your logic
[14:52] <r4y> Thank you for helping. It is really nice that people like you are around
[14:53] <r4y> What about option -a he obviously spotted under -s
[14:53] <holstein> i always reference the wiki, each time
[14:54] <holstein> i dont know the flags right 'off my hat'
[14:54] <r4y> Great idea, I will be back
[14:54] <holstein> i also use the tools from that live CD i mentioned
[14:54] <holstein> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[14:54] <holstein> i would assume the one you mentioned has some tools too, if not the same ones
[14:55] <holstein> hirens?.. i think thats the one you like to use
[14:56] <r4y> It's one I downloaded to try out.
[14:56] <r4y> I actually only used DBAN for something useful out of the 2
[14:57] <r4y> bookmarked
[14:57] <r4y> What about this coomand:
[14:57] <r4y> shutdown -Fr now
[14:57] <r4y> will it check both hard drives
[14:59] <r4y> I found this link
[14:59] <r4y> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fsck
[15:00] <r4y> I forgot -y was the one mentioned
[15:00] <r4y> OK, so here it is I think:
[15:00] <r4y> sudo fsck -y /dev/sdb1
[15:01] <holstein> i havent tride the -Fr flags
[15:01] <holstein> tried*
[15:02] <holstein> i references the man page to see what the -y flag is
[15:02] <r4y> I can't seem to find that one
[15:02] <holstein> the man page?
[15:03] <r4y> For  some filesystem-specific checkers, the -y option will cause               the fs-specific fsck to  always  attempt  to  fix  any  detected               filesystem corruption automatically.
[15:03] <holstein> http://linux.die.net/man/8/fsck
[15:04] <r4y> so instead of -a I should use -y. Well here goes nothing then
[15:04] <holstein> r4y: depends
[15:05] <holstein> its for 'some filesystem-specific checkers'
[15:05] <r4y> hmm
[15:05] <r4y> ext4
[15:05] <r4y> That's what I have
[15:09] <geirha> I prefer using it interactively
[15:09] <ashickur-noor> Hi there
[15:10] <ashickur-noor> Can any body tell me is there any IRC channel for translation?
[15:12] <geirha> ashickur-noor: #ubuntu-translators
[15:12] <ashickur-noor> thnkx
[15:12] <ashickur-noor> one more think how you ping me in IRC
[15:12] <ashickur-noor> I can not do it
[15:13] <ashickur-noor> to get the attention of a member in IRC
[15:13] <hobgoblin> use their name - if they have it set to alert them it will
[15:14] <r4y> I want to say that this filesystem is unmounted
[15:14] <ashickur-noor> hobgoblin: ok
[15:14] <geirha> ashickur-noor: Type the first two or three letters of their nick and hit the TAB-key (possibly multiple times) to get the nick completed.
[15:15] <hobgoblin> ashickur-noor: that worked - I noticed that :)
[15:15] <ashickur-noor> geirha: ya it's work
[15:15] <geirha> :)
[15:15] <ashickur-noor> thnx
[15:18] <r4y> I think I am going with "sudo fsck.ext4 -y /dev/sdb1" as it seems to be logical to me, but it wouldn't hurt to try touch /forcefcsk and shutdown -rF now first
[15:19] <r4y> Of, I see. You mentioned -rF
[15:19] <r4y> OK, I will be back
[15:19] <r4y> O no, O ya
[15:19] <r4y> Were is the cool aid guy anyways?
[15:20] <r4y> :)
[15:30] <nlsthzn> silly question, how do I disable click on my touchpad in Xubuntu...?
[15:32] <geirha> nlsthzn: I don't have much experience with xubuntu, but I'd try to look for something like  System -> Preferences -> Mouse
[15:32] <ashickur-noor> Use Jupiter
[15:32] <ashickur-noor> nlsthzn:
[15:33] <nlsthzn> geirha, thanks... been there, and I no options...
[15:33] <nlsthzn> ashickur-noor, Jupiter?
[15:33] <hobgoblin> System Settings -> Mouse and Touchpad -> Touchpad -> Untick "Enable mouse clicks with touchpad"
[15:33] <ashickur-noor> It helps me a lot
[15:33] <hobgoblin> does that not work nlsthzn
[15:33] <ashickur-noor> Wait
[15:33] <hobgoblin> nlsthzn: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11424583&postcount=3 perhaps
[15:34] <hobgoblin> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11389865&postcount=3
[15:34] <hobgoblin> does the same I'd guess
[15:34] <ashickur-noor> nlsthzn:  http://www.webupd8.org/2011/09/jupiter-applet-finally-available-for.html
[15:35] <nlsthzn> hobgoblin, thanks for the link... I suck at searching UF
[15:35] <nlsthzn> it worked btw
[15:36] <nlsthzn> ashickur-noor, thanks for the link... isn't that app for power managment?
[15:36] <hobgoblin> nlsthzn: so do I - that's why I use gogglbuntu :p
[15:36] <nlsthzn> I should also start
[15:36] <nlsthzn> anyway, dinner time bbl
[15:37] <ashickur-noor> nlsthzn:  ya
[15:37] <ashickur-noor> u can stop or start touchpad,wifi more things
[15:38] <hobgoblin> ashickur-noor: but would that work in Xubuntu?
[15:38] <ashickur-noor> hobgoblin: I am using it in Ubuntu
[15:38] <ashickur-noor> I am not confirm about Xubuntu
[15:38] <ashickur-noor> But it should work
[15:41] <hobgoblin> oic - maybe compiling it - not that I'm actually bothered - just always good to know things :)
[15:43] <ashickur-noor> this is the most wonderful thing jupiter.exe
[15:43] <ashickur-noor> hi hi
[15:57] <deper29> hey guys, I'm trying to install ubuntu 10.10 64 bit. When I go to install from the CD I get: [1.4429011] Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(1,0)
[16:13] <holstein> deper29: i would either do 10.04, or 11.10
[16:13] <holstein> personally
[16:15] <deper29> holstein: I'm on 10.04, but still haven't had luck getting my nvidia drivers going
[16:15] <holstein> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-kernel-70/kernel-panic-not-syncing-vfs-unable-to-mount-root-fs-on-unknown-block-2-0-a-688150/ makes me think its a kernel issue
[16:15] <holstein> deper29: 10.04 is your best shot
[16:15] <holstein> i wouldnt bail on that quite yet
[16:15] <deper29> okay :)
[16:16] <holstein> you can go and download .deb files kind of like you would download .exe's and insatll them
[16:17] <holstein> deper29: i did this once with nvidia... i used a knoppix live CD and the desktop looked great... os i just grabbed the xorg.conf file from that live instance, and put it in the ubuntu install i was uing
[16:17] <holstein> using*
[16:17] <holstein> that was 10.04
[16:17] <holstein> same kind of thing... the resolution was odd
[16:17] <deper29> lol
[16:17] <deper29> I'm going to give this .deb a shot
[16:18] <holstein> i have since aquired the skill to get the proprietary driver going though
[16:18] <deper29> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates/+build/2840000
[16:18] <ashickur-noor> holstein:  is it works? knoppix conf file in Ubuntu?
[16:18] <deper29> which one would I take there?
[16:18] <holstein> ashickur-noor: buntu will read them if you put one im place
[16:18] <deper29> because I notice they say i386, but I have 64
[16:19] <holstein> yeah, that'll be the issue
[16:19] <deper29> wait, I thought I had 64
[16:19] <holstein> thats probably whats up with that PPA
[16:19] <holstein> now that you mention it
[16:19] <deper29> uname -ar right?
[16:19] <holstein> why are you using 64bit?
[16:19] <deper29> I have a 64 bit system
[16:20] <holstein> right, but do you have any reason?
[16:20] <deper29> I don't think so
[16:20] <holstein> how much memory do you have?
[16:20] <deper29> 8 GB
[16:20] <holstein> OK
[16:20] <holstein> you should be running 64
[16:20] <deper29> 32 wouldn't use that all, right?
[16:21] <holstein> right
[16:21] <deper29> when I run uname -r I see x86_64
[16:21] <deper29> that is 64?
[16:21] <holstein> i have 64bit on that machine i was talking about
[16:21] <holstein> deper29: right
[16:21] <deper29> ah
[16:21] <holstein> you have 64bit, not compatible with that PPA you are trying to use
[16:21] <holstein> hence, the issue
[16:21] <deper29> gotcha
[16:21] <deper29> :(
[16:22] <holstein> i would check out http://www.unixmen.com/software/1365-nvidia-2601926-driver-for-linux-is-released-installation-instructions-and-ppa-included
[16:22] <holstein> do the 'manual'
[16:22] <holstein> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-260.19.29-driver.html for example
[16:23] <deper29> doesn't support my card it says
[16:23] <deper29> GeForce 550 Ti
[16:23] <deper29> *GeForce GTX 550 Ti
[16:24] <holstein> not sure what to tell you
[16:24] <holstein> i mean, id probably try it, or look around on the nvidia site
[16:24] <deper29> i'll give this a shot :)
[16:24] <deper29> you've been a great help thus far
[16:24] <holstein> or try 10.04 32bit with a PAE kernel
[16:24] <holstein> to support the 8 gigs of ram
[16:24] <holstein> but, i dont like that option
[16:25] <holstein> deper29: http://www.raiden.net/node/512
[16:26] <holstein> http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Hardware/nVidia-Linux-Display-Driver-AMD64-EM64T-11290.shtml
[16:26] <holstein> that site states your hardware specifically
[16:26] <deper29> I see that
[16:27] <deper29> so get the driver from that second link you sent me?
[16:27] <holstein> i wish i could say "sure, and all will be well"
[16:27] <deper29> lol
[16:27] <holstein> but, you'll just have to try it
[16:27] <deper29> but give er a shot eh?
[16:27] <holstein> without the hardware in front of me... its hard to say
[16:28] <holstein> i mean, it says 64bit, and for you device
[16:28] <holstein> i would try it
[16:28] <holstein> or put together a custom xorg.conf
[16:28] <deper29> I definitely don't know how to do that
[16:30] <holstein> good luck deper29 ... gotta run
[16:30] <deper29> thanks for your help again, holstein
[16:30] <deper29> :)
[16:38] <deper29> hey, I am trying to install an Nvidia driver. When I go to install it, I get a window that says I appear to be running an X server and to exit X before installing. How do I do that?
[16:41] <hobgoblin> deper29: from the additional driver/hardware app in ubuntu - or are you trying to install one from nvidia
[16:43] <deper29> i'm trying to install one from nvidia
[16:43] <deper29> there is nothing in the additional driver app in system admin
[16:43] <hobgoblin> in what version of ubuntu
[16:44] <hobgoblin> I'm trying to find what I used many moons ago ...
[16:44] <deper29> 10.04
[16:44] <deper29> thanks :)
[16:45] <hobgoblin> deper29: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual - once you have everything needed - the bit you are currently trying to deal with is at the bottom (ish)Install the Driver and just above there the command to stop gdm
[16:46] <deper29> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop ?
[16:46] <hobgoblin> you'll want to Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get to a shell - then do the shutdown install restart
[16:47] <hobgoblin> yea - but I've seen it go wrong doing this deper29
[16:47] <deper29> what might you suggest?
[16:48] <deper29> and what can go wrong?
[16:48] <hobgoblin> not too sure tbh if there's no driver there for you :( I've sort of been following you and holstein - at least vaguely
[16:48] <hobgoblin> well - you could have to revert to nv or whatever you're using at present
[16:49] <deper29> i'm gonna give this a shot
[16:49] <deper29> fingers crossed I guess
[16:49] <hobgoblin> deper29: if you follow that page  - please print it out so you can see what you should be doing :)
[16:49] <deper29> i'm on a second computer ;)
[16:50] <hobgoblin> deper29: I only needed to do it once with a dev version when nvidia broke for a month or so
[16:50] <hobgoblin> aah - that makes life so much simpler :)
[16:51] <deper29> install NVIDIA's 32-bit compatibility OpenGL libraries? y/n
[16:52] <hobgoblin> deper29: I really can't remember what I needed to do - try with y and if it fails start again with n - or the other way - sorry not to toi be too certain - but it was possibly 2 or 3 years ago
[16:52] <deper29> okay
[16:53] <deper29> I'm now asked if I should run the nvidia-xconfig utility to automatically update the x config file so nvidia x driver will be used when I restart x
[16:54] <hobgoblin> that's a yes
[16:54] <deper29> rebooting
[16:54] <deper29> hoping this works
[16:54] <hobgoblin> :)
[16:54] <deper29> :D:D:D:D:D:D:D
[16:55] <deper29> success!
[16:55] <hobgoblin> cool :)
[16:55] <deper29> thanks so much for your help
[16:55] <hobgoblin> welcome deper29
[16:55] <deper29> this was the biggest pain I had
[16:55] <deper29> I lost much sleep lol
[16:56] <hobgoblin> remember what you did - I can't remember what the deal with dkms was in 10.04 but you might need to do it again with kernel upgrades - and if you've juts installed 10.04 and not upgraded yet then you'll need to do it sooner rather than later
[16:56] <deper29> i did updates
[16:57] <deper29> I will document this
[16:57] <hobgoblin> ok - that'll help then :) bookmark that page lol
[16:57] <deper29> done :)
[17:01] <deper29> this looks so much nicer
[17:01] <deper29> thanks a bunch again :D
[17:02] <hobgoblin> :)
[17:06] <deper29> i'm out of here though. thanks again!
[17:06] <hobgoblin> cya round - spread the word lol
[18:08] <M0hi> Download: eType1.com/f.php
[18:08] <M0hi> err no
[18:08] <M0hi> Idiotic wi :[
[18:46] <brian> I am trying to get pidgin to open irc links from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList. I have set up an account but cannot get pidgin to open the links from firefox. any ideas?
[19:09] <Camulus> I am trying to get a DoD CAC to work with Ubuntu 11.10  and Firefox 7.0.1. I have the card reader installed and "Pcsc_scan" will  show the reader and the card but when I try to open Firefox with the  card inserted it will not open. Alternatively, if Firefox is open and I  insert the card, Firefox will crash and not restart until the card is  removed.
[20:57] <bobweaver> I have a important question if you are on irc and see people hacking websites what to do ?
[20:57] <bobweaver> cracking websites *
[20:59] <Unit193> This isn't the best place to ask, but if it's in an ubuntu* channel, contact the ops (#ubuntu-ops should be the one)
[21:00] <bobweaver> thanks Unit193
[21:43] <jhune_arao> new in chat room
[21:49] <nothingspecial> hi jhune_arao
[21:49] <nothingspecial> what's up?
[21:49] <jhune_arao> just dropby
[21:50] <nothingspecial> jhune_arao: welcome to #ubuntu-beginners
[21:51] <jhune_arao> thanks
[21:52] <nothingspecial> jhune_arao: you may want to try #ubuntu-beginners-team for off-topic
[21:52] <nothingspecial> this channel is for support :)
[21:52] <jhune_arao> ok
[22:08] <r4y> I have a hard drive recovery question
[22:09] <r4y> Is it a good idea to delete un-needed files before fsck?
[22:10] <r4y> I mean that are not under the filesystem, but rather I mean files I have under home like music files and so forth.
[22:10] <r4y> I should say I somehow got this hard drive to mount
[22:11] <r4y> I don't know how, but it is mounted. I am not even sure if I can delete the files I want to
[22:15] <r4y> I am backing up little files first, and deleting them. I am sure only the files that have permission problems either won't delete but I could be wrong, or might not be a good idea to delete, but if I am wrong I would like to know, then I will know what to do before fsck
[22:17] <r4y> Is anyone here?, Or are the readers that are looking don't know?, Or just don't have time?, I am sorry and I understand if so, sorry too much coffee, lol
[22:18] <r4y> Yes, everything is great so far.
[22:19] <r4y> I am checking the permissions of the files I am copying before backing up
[22:20] <r4y> I may need to move to my other hard drive
[22:23] <r4y> I want to thank bioterror, I think geirha, glebihan, holstein and anyone else who helped me earlier last night and this morning  very much.
[22:23] <r4y> take care :) /
[22:45] <r4y> Now, the more I think about this, the more I realize I want to find things with in this setup. Like for instance the command I put under main menu which is also called alacarte for things like atari800. I can't help but wonder if I will miss something.
[22:46] <r4y> .config maybe. I have no idea
[22:47] <r4y> I will just search alacarte in the filesystem
[22:49] <r4y> Yes, I have many results
[23:08] <r4y> I would like to know where the main bookmarks are for mozilla firefox?, I don't want the backed up files but just the ones that were last bookmarked
[23:09] <r4y> .mozilla, but which file
[23:09] <r4y> Is it part of the backed up bookmarks?
[23:52] <cprofitt> head over the #ubuntu-meeting for the meeting if you area not already there