[05:20] <Laibsch> what is the point of nominating a ticket for precise at this point?  example: bug 872924. Isn't precise currently the target for the ticket itself?
[05:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 872924 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Resuming a failed upload crashes with ValueError: I/O operation on closed file (affects: 19) (dups: 3) (heat: 110)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/872924
[05:24] <micahg> Laibsch: to make sure it's fixed in precise or if it's a regression in it
[05:27] <Laibsch> this would only become relevant if the fix would not be ready by the time precise is release, correct?
[05:27] <micahg> no
[05:27] <Laibsch> hm, I'm at a loss to understand this, then
[05:28] <micahg> bug control policy is to make a task for regressions immediately, also milestoning needs a task on the release in question
[05:29] <Laibsch> hm, I'm at a loss to understand this, then.  until the time precise is released the master task and the precise task are tracking the same thing.  And can be target for milestones.
[05:30] <micahg> well, the default task will continue to be default in perpetuity or until LP gets rid of default tasks, so not exactly the same, the reason to make a task is that you want to track that specific release even if it happens to be the focus of development
[05:32] <Laibsch> yes.  That's why I said "this would only become relevant if the fix would not be ready by the time precise is release, correct?"
[05:34] <Laibsch> at the moment it's a preemptive measure
[05:39] <micahg> no, that's my point, it's not just relevant then, but now (there are several development milestones and regressions get tracked immediately)
[05:50] <Laibsch> The default task and the precise task have currently the same milestone options or am I mistaken?
[05:50] <micahg> yes, they do, but the default task is, err...imprecise
[05:50] <Laibsch> and concerning "tracking regressions", I suppose that's only possible because one is not supposed to nominate for ubuntu+1 unless it's a regression?
[05:51] <micahg> regression or committing to fix in that release AFAIK
[05:51] <Laibsch> hm
[05:51] <Laibsch> still seems awkward to me.  I thought "committing to fix in release X" was done via milestones.
[05:51] <Laibsch> Thank you for the explanation
[05:52] <Laibsch> I think I mostly got the reasoning behind it now.
[05:52] <micahg> you'll notice that when you milestone for the dev release, it says "status tracked in precise"
[05:52] <micahg> or whatever the dev release is
[05:53] <micahg> it is, but you can track release specific tasks with a query (i.e. show me all the bugs w/precise tasks open), milestones are a little harder as you'll have 2 sets, default task + precise task
[07:17] <Laibsch> isn't the query with release specific tasks open currently timing out?
[07:18] <Laibsch> well, you are right.  The accepted tasks lists is not timing out
[07:18] <Laibsch> only the nominations: bug 618399
[07:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 618399 in launchpad "DistroSeries:+nominations timeouts (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/618399
[07:18] <iceroot> can you give me an info how a bug like this is handled? (missing package in 11.10) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/padevchooser/+bug/851695
[07:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 851695 in padevchooser (Ubuntu) "padevchooser is missing in Ubuntu 11.10 (affects: 10) (heat: 48)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[07:19] <iceroot> normally the package needs to be put from debian in 11.10?
[07:20] <Laibsch> iceroot: I'd venture to guess you are SOL.  Put up a PPA or use a later release, I guess.
[07:20] <Laibsch> I don't think this package will come back via an SRU.
[07:23] <iceroot> Laibsch: ok. i will check if i found a version (in 10.10 or debian sid) which will work with pulse from 11.10 and build a ppa. when 12.04 is out as an alpha i will check if it is fixed, if not i will mark it for 12.04
[07:25] <micahg> iceroot: it's won't fix unless someone in Debian picks it up again
[07:27] <iceroot> micahg: ah ok, so the issue is coming from debian, we only sync what debian is providing. so debian has to pick it up again or we build it without debian directly from source?
[07:27] <micahg> no, we won't add it back unless someone is maintaining it in Debian since it's unmaintained upstream
[07:28] <iceroot> micahg: so i/we cant do anything. just hoping someone will maintaining it in debian?
[07:29] <micahg> iceroot: that's unlikely, you should try to get the features you need into pavucontrol or somewhere else according to debian bug 636151
[07:29] <ubot4> Debian bug 636151 in ftp.debian.org "RM: padevchooser -- ROM; deprecated" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/636151
[07:30] <iceroot> hm, strange bug on debian.org. pavucontrol is doing something different then padevchooser
[07:31] <iceroot> so i dont think it easily possible to merge the functions from padevchooser into pavucontrol
[07:32] <Laibsch> iceroot: I've closed the ticket as wontfix.  The software is really dead.  See my comment on the ticket.
[07:32] <iceroot> Laibsch: i will have a look
[07:32] <Laibsch> I'm only now reading micahg's comments here and it seems both he and I have the same idea.
[07:36] <Laibsch> and marked one dupe of the ticket
[07:36] <iceroot> i thought the goal of pulseaudio is this server-client-method :(
[07:36] <iceroot> Laibsch: micahg thank you for having a look at it
[07:37] <Laibsch> it's unfortunate these things happen.  It seems the package was loved by its users.  It would be nice to see it in a PPA, maybe.  To die a prolonged death, there. ;-)
[07:38] <Laibsch> it would be really good if the replacement were able to add the missing functionality quickly, I guess.
[07:38] <Laibsch> Heck, I'll open that ticket now.
[07:38] <iceroot> yes, it was a real killer-feature. it was so nice to stream your audio input/output to other machines using pulse-audio
[07:39] <Laibsch> urgh
[07:39] <Laibsch> that package doesn't seem to be in good shape, either
[07:40] <Laibsch> iceroot: I'm not familiar with that since I rarely listen to music (it distracts me)
[07:40] <Laibsch> but one of my friends also told me about some recent feature where he did something similar
[07:40] <Laibsch> I'm sure there is some kind of replacement
[07:40] <iceroot> Laibsch: watching youtube on your netbook and streaming the sound to your multimedia-pc connected to the speaks in the living room is another use case
[07:41] <Laibsch> yes, that's I think what he was explaining to me.  It sounded pretty cool.  Not having to wire everything up anew for audio.
[07:41] <iceroot> Laibsch: i will do some research if thereis something similar. maybe its merged into pulse directly
[07:42] <iceroot> Laibsch: yes and broadcasting, sharing your mic and so on
[07:42] <Laibsch> Come back and I can ask him if your search is unsuccessful
[07:44] <iceroot> maybe someone can give me a hint to this too? i created a patch, its build upstream, how to get it into ubuntu  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cpufrequtils/+bug/763590
[07:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 763590 in cpufrequtils (Ubuntu) "typo in de.po from cpufreq-set (cpufrequtils) (affects: 1) (heat: 3)" [Undecided,New]
[07:46] <iceroot> package is in "universe" so i guess i have to build a debdiff and someone from sponsors will built it
[07:46] <iceroot> and 12.04 will use the fixed upstream version so no patch is needed
[07:47] <iceroot> ah this was on 10.10, i will have a look if it is already fixed in 11.10
[07:49] <iceroot> not fixed in 11.10
[07:50] <micahg> cpufrequtils |      007-1 | oneiric/universe | source, amd64, armel, i386, powerpc
[07:50] <micahg> cpufrequtils |      007-2 | precise/universe | source, amd64, armel, i386, powerpc
[07:51] <iceroot> yes i was looking into 007-1
[07:52] <iceroot> so the correct way to get it into ubuntu would be a debdiff because of univserse and set sponsors on cc? or what is the workflow for something like that? i know its not a big issue but a good way for learning launchpad, patching and so on :)
[07:53] <micahg> iceroot: debdiff, subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[07:53] <iceroot> micahg: 3 debdiffs for 11.04, 11.10, 12.04?
[07:53] <micahg> err, is it not fixed in 12.04?
[07:54] <iceroot> micahg: have not looked at the source-package yet i will check it if 12.04 is also affected
[07:54] <micahg> 10.10-11.10 have the same version ATM, so those would appear to be good candidates
[07:56] <iceroot> micahg: ok, i will check 10.10 - 12.04. so i need one debdiff for 10.10 - 11.10 because all are the same version and maybe a second debdiff for 12.04
[07:56] <iceroot> if 12.04 is affected too
[07:56] <Laibsch> micahg: subscribe sponsors first, no?  ubuntu-sru then release the sponsored package
[07:56] <micahg> no, 3 debdiffs
[07:56] <micahg> 007-1ubuntu0.XX.YY.1 where XX.YY is the release version
[07:57] <iceroot> hm never noticed there is a timestamp
[07:58] <iceroot> cpufrequtils_007-1.dsc
[07:58] <iceroot> the debdiff will always be the same for 10.10 - 11.10 i think or do i get something wrong?
[07:59] <iceroot> also the changelog does not have a timestamp
[07:59] <micahg> same except for version and release
[07:59] <iceroot> micahg: where in the source-package is the release? (like 10.10)
[08:00] <micahg> iceroot: in debian/changelog
[08:00] <iceroot> micahg: i dont see any ubuntu information there
[08:00] <micahg> it should be maverick-proposed for 10.10
[08:00] <micahg> iceroot: right, since it's unmodified from Debian, please join #ubuntu-motu to have someone help you with this
[08:00] <iceroot> micahg: ah ok
[08:01] <iceroot> micahg: yes you are right, dch -i was doing something like that
[08:01] <iceroot> hm was it dch?.. doesnt matter, now i get what you mean
[08:01] <micahg> yep
[08:02] <iceroot> thanks again
[08:03] <micahg> iceroot: thank you for your work to improve Ubuntu
[08:03] <iceroot> is there a way to "apt-get source" sourcepackages without editing /etc/apt/sources.list to put in all releases?
[08:03] <micahg> iceroot: pull-lp-source in ubuntu-dev-tools
[08:03] <iceroot> micahg: ok
[08:04] <iceroot> then i will have a look if the 12.04 version is also affected, providing some debdiff, put sponsors on cc
[08:07] <iceroot> so the last one :)
[08:08] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kwalletcli/+bug/802274  i provided a debdiff to a universe package, so i only have to put sponsors on cc and my work is done?
[08:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 802274 in kwalletcli (Ubuntu) "Security issue in kwalletcli_getpin(1): tty I/O now properly disables echoing input when asking for a passphrase is not fixed (affects: 1) (heat: 212)" [Low,Confirmed]
[08:08] <micahg> iceroot: for a security issue, ubuntu-security-sponsors
[08:09] <micahg> otherwise, yes
[08:11] <iceroot> there should be an option in launchpad if the package is in universe there should be ubuntu-sec-sponsors instead of ubuntu-sec on cc. sounds like i will open a new bug against launchpad
[08:11] <iceroot> if the bug is marked as security-issue
[08:12] <iceroot> s/option/automation
[08:15] <Laibsch> iceroot: bug 887456
[08:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 887456 in pavucontrol (Ubuntu) "missing functionality to fully replace padevchooser (heat: 2)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/887456
[08:15] <micahg> iceroot: no, sponsoring is a separate function from launchpad, it's a workflow issue in Ubuntu
[08:15] <Laibsch> iceroot: to open a ticket against LP itself use https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad
[08:16] <Laibsch> iceroot: is bug 526196 what you were asking for in pavucontrol?
[08:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 526196 in pavucontrol (Ubuntu) ""Move stream" option not available in pavucontrol in 9.10 (affects: 3)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/526196
[08:17] <iceroot> micahg: but launchpad is setting "ubuntu-sec-team" on cc when i open a sec-bug against a universe-package and if i get it correctly, sponsors are responsable for universe-package instead of the "real" ubuntu teams
[08:18] <iceroot> Laibsch: yes :( affecting 9.10 then i can imaging that there will nothing happen on 11.10 and so on
[08:18] <micahg> yes for the first point, security is subscribed, no for the second, ubuntu-sponsors puts the bug in a work queue for all of Ubuntu, security sponsors is specific for the security team
[08:18] <Laibsch> yes, both packages are in terrible shape
[08:19] <Laibsch> but 526196 mentioned that the option wasn't available in padvechooser, either?!
[08:19] <iceroot> Laibsch: yes, never used it with 9.10 just found that feature in 10.04 and there it is working with padevchooser
[08:19] <Laibsch> iceroot: if a patch comes forth things can be fixed.  I can drive it for you if it's important to you.  But we need a patch.
[08:20] <iceroot> Laibsch: hm i am happy that you think i can do it but i think i need more time on the whole thing to patch something like pulseaudio myself (writing the patch myself)
[08:20] <Laibsch> iceroot: sounds like a simple UI issue
[08:21] <Laibsch> I think what you should do is talk to upstream about it
[08:21] <iceroot> Laibsch: but we are talking about patching pavucontrol?
[08:21] <Laibsch> make them aware of the UI issue and then hope they give you a patch
[08:21] <iceroot> Laibsch: its not clear if the function is in there
[08:21] <iceroot> for me
[08:21] <Laibsch> I think it is in there.  See the comment about the guy clicking rapidly to access the function.
[08:22] <iceroot> Laibsch: ok, apt-cache show is giving me Homepage: http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/pavucontrol/
[08:23] <iceroot> so i will open a topic there about it
[08:23] <iceroot> to fix it upstream
[08:23] <Laibsch> iceroot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pavucontrol/+bug/526196/comments/2
[08:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 526196 in pavucontrol (Ubuntu) ""Move stream" option not available in pavucontrol in 9.10 (affects: 3)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[08:25] <iceroot> Laibsch: i dont see the move stream option in "pavucontrol" from 11.10
[08:25] <Laibsch> OK.  I don't use the progream.  Apparently the guy in comment 2 found a way to "unhide" it.
[08:26] <iceroot> but padevchooser was acting different, i have to start padevchooser on client and server and then i choose "stream audio not to my local system but to the remote system"
[08:26] <iceroot> but i will do some research and talk with the maintaines to get it fixed
[08:27] <iceroot> so if it is ok for you i will assign this to me https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pavucontrol/+bug/887456
[08:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 887456 in pavucontrol (Ubuntu) "missing functionality to fully replace padevchooser (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[11:24] <Laibsch> Is it OK to remove the patch sticker from attachments which were patch-rejected?
[11:38] <Laibsch> I just did this in bug 565146, if you want an example of what I am referring to
[11:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 565146 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub-pc postinst fails to install grub to devices not listed in /dev/disk/by-id (affects: 3) (heat: 3)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/565146
[18:04] <iceroot> can someone with an eeepc (and affected by this bug) test the thing from comment #86? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/869502
[18:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 869502 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel-Panic with 3.0.0.12-generic on asus eee pcs and msi wind (both using rt2800 wifi chipset) (affects: 38) (dups: 4) (heat: 210)" [High,Confirmed]
[18:52] <spacebug-> hello I just filed a bug and got a mail saying I should try to find out which packages it is in and I'm not really sure. My bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/887617
[18:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 887617 in ubuntu "libreoffice does not always go to launcher when started with shortcut keys (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[18:54] <roadmr> spacebug-: since you mention it happens with libreoffice, that would be a good place to start
[18:55] <spacebug-> but it also only happens in gnome/unity not KDE for example
[18:58] <roadmr> spacebug-: have you found any other applications that exhibit this problem? have you tried unity-2d?
[18:59] <spacebug-> no and no. Maybe I should try that. Good point
[19:00] <roadmr> spacebug-: if it only happens with libreoffice and only with unity, I'd still say libreoffice initially, if after triaging it's determined that unity is to blame, it can be switched
[19:00] <roadmr> spacebug-: it's still better than having a packageless bug :)
[19:00] <spacebug-> yeah ok :) tnx
[22:25] <RedSingularity> jibel: bug 882975 is a bit odd.  Seems like it is a core package (or packages) giving the issue.  No main.log is being generated either.
[22:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 882975 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Can't upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/882975
[22:34] <jibel> RedSingularity, hello, I think the problem is that mountall and upstart are on hold.
[22:34] <jibel> RedSingularity, you can see that from the Status line in the dpkg status file
[22:46] <RedSingularity> jibel: yeah. What could be holding them?  They look official.
[22:47] <jibel> RedSingularity, this was set manually with dpkg or aptitude
[22:49] <RedSingularity> jibel: do you know the dpkg config file off hand that contains the scrips holding them?
[22:51] <jibel> RedSingularity, the status of the files is maintained in /var/lib/dpkg/status but statuses must be modified with dpkg not directly
[22:51] <RedSingularity> jibel: ok.  I will have a look at the man page then.  Thanks.
[22:51] <jibel> RedSingularity, e.g to hold mountall run: echo "mountall hold" | dpkg --set-selections
[22:52] <jibel> RedSingularity, to unhold run: echo "mountall install" | dpkg --set-selections
[22:52] <RedSingularity> jibel: oh excellent!  Thanks again :)
[22:52] <jibel> RedSingularity, or if you prefer the UI way use aptitude
[22:54] <RedSingularity> jibel: through synaptic or via the CLI?
[22:59] <jibel> RedSingularity, aptitude without arguments starts a nice ncurses UI. IIRC synaptic can pin packages to a specific version but cannot set them in state hold.
[23:01] <RedSingularity> jibel: oh, didnt even know about that interface for aptitude.  Very good.