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| bandit5432 | i have a question about questionst asked in #ubuntu | 05:19 |
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| bandit5432 | can i ask for help about things that i can install on ubuntu or linux in general or can i only ask about ubuntu software? | 05:20 |
| bandit5432 | i did not feel that the responses i recieved from some of the ops after asking about installing kernel 3.1 where appreciated | 05:22 |
| pangolin | you can ask questions about anything that is available in the Ubuntu repositories but keep in mind you may be redirected to a different channel if the helpers feel it would be better for you. | 05:25 |
| pangolin | that said the 3.1 kernel is not in the ubuntu repos. | 05:25 |
| bandit5432 | yes but it was not a very nice conversation and i have helped people for the last 2 nights | 05:25 |
| pangolin | how was it not nice? | 05:26 |
| bandit5432 | tonyyarusso, responses where rude | 05:26 |
| pangolin | I saw his responses and did not see any rudeness on his part | 05:27 |
| pangolin | what exactly did you think was rude? | 05:27 |
| bandit5432 | [04:08] <tonyyarusso> bandit5432: Well, currently 3.1 does not exist in any supported version of Ubuntu, so it's pretty reasonable that nobody here can support it, frankly. | 05:27 |
| tonyyarusso | I was explaining that you're unlikely to get help, particularly since you mentioned that this was your second day trying with no results. | 05:27 |
| pangolin | I suppose you could read that as rude if you really wanted to but knowing tonyyarusso I can say he was not being rude. | 05:28 |
| bandit5432 | ok i take your work for it | 05:29 |
| bandit5432 | word' | 05:29 |
| pangolin | bandit5432: We do appreciate you bringing your concerns to our attention though :) | 05:29 |
| tonyyarusso | You certainly *can* ask about such things (we're not telling you it was "offtopic" for the channel) - it's just unlikely to be particularly efficient at getting you the answers you need. | 05:29 |
| bandit5432 | but the response of [04:11] <tonyyarusso> bandit5432: Not really. It's generally understood that if you want to run bleeding-edge unsupported software you have to be able to support yourself. | 05:29 |
| pangolin | again nothing rude there | 05:30 |
| bandit5432 | no but not helpful or supportive either | 05:30 |
| pangolin | bandit5432: I am sorry that you feel he was being rude but if it isn't in the repos it is not supported in #ubuntu. | 05:30 |
| bandit5432 | is that in the guidlines ? | 05:31 |
| pangolin | no | 05:31 |
| pangolin | but the guidelines are just that, a guide. | 05:31 |
| pangolin | not a comprehensive list of everything allowed. | 05:31 |
| bandit5432 | maybe that needs to be added to the channel announce | 05:32 |
| pangolin | there is also a bit in the guidelines about common sense. I think the not in the repos thing is common sense. | 05:32 |
| tonyyarusso | Again, you weren't being scolded for any kind of guidelines violation. You were being told why you hadn't gotten any help yet. | 05:32 |
| bandit5432 | cool | 05:32 |
| bandit5432 | thanks for listening, thats what a lot of us want when we join and have issues or problems | 05:33 |
| pangolin | We try and thank you. | 05:33 |
| bandit5432 | and you might want to think about adding the repo thing to the user quidelines so there is less confusion | 05:34 |
| pangolin | tonyyarusso: Stop being so rude :P | 05:39 |
| * pangolin runs off | 05:39 | |
| ubottu | phlak_user called the ops in #ubuntu () | 11:11 |
| Myrtti | niiiicce | 11:12 |
| iceroot | maybe this can be placed in the topic of #ubuntu? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/887380 | 13:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 887349 in papyon (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #887380 Can't login in Windows live acount using empathy" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 13:00 |
| iceroot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/papyon/+bug/887349 this of course instead of the duplicate | 13:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 887349 in papyon (Ubuntu) "Can't login in Windows live acount using empathy" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 13:02 |
| ikonia | iceroot: I don't really think a link to a bug is useful in the topic and it's not really a show stopper, certainly a factoid may be more useful | 13:14 |
| iceroot | ikonia: sounds good | 13:15 |
| Myrtti | as I suggested to topyli earlier, perhaps we should make a factlet out of the old #gaim topic | 13:16 |
| ikonia | sounds a good option | 13:16 |
| ubottu | In ubottu, jussi said: !unforget currentissues | 13:16 |
| Myrtti | [11:10] < topyli> to quote the old #gaim topic: "If you're having trouble connecting to MSN, assume the problem is with MSN not Gaim" | 13:16 |
| jussi | what the heck? | 13:16 |
| jussi | oh yes. my changed clock | 13:17 |
| knome | clock? :P | 13:17 |
| jussi | cloak even | 13:17 |
| Myrtti | ie. most likely it's not a bug that Ubuntu can help at all. | 13:17 |
| Myrtti | or even upstream projects | 13:17 |
| Myrtti | "it's MSN, live and learn to use something else" | 13:17 |
| topyli | upstream can help eventually, once they crack the msn changes | 13:17 |
| Myrtti | topyli: in about 75% of the cases the problems exist only because MS has some glitch in their servers | 13:18 |
| Myrtti | about 20% are because there's something wrong with the all over networking | 13:18 |
| Myrtti | and 5% is actually something that upstream can help | 13:19 |
| Myrtti | as usual, these numbers are courtesy of the trustworthy Stetson-Harrison method, ie. facts, statistics and lies | 13:19 |
| topyli | yeah, and when msn has a problem of their own, patience is the only cure | 13:19 |
| iceroot | heise.de is reporting about routing-errors in the uk and usa (dont have an english link) | 13:19 |
| Myrtti | iceroot: the juniper issue still? | 13:19 |
| iceroot | Myrtti: yes | 13:19 |
| Myrtti | ah, figured as much. | 13:20 |
| Myrtti | I can only assume it effected IRC networks as well yesterday | 13:20 |
| iceroot | Myrtti: and the msn-fix is to use another server (see debdiff) so maybe its just because of the routing error | 13:20 |
| Myrtti | tsk | 13:20 |
| Myrtti | affected. | 13:20 |
| Myrtti | so, I stand by my opinion of "it's not you, it's MSN" and "learn to use something else" | 13:21 |
| Myrtti | :-P | 13:21 |
| Myrtti | I know it's not helpful, but filing bugreports probably isn't either | 13:21 |
| iceroot | can we do that on !iphone and !ipod too? :) | 13:21 |
| topyli | Myrtti: so, "assume the problem is with msn, not your chat client. also see !jabber" :) | 13:21 |
| topyli | !jabber | 13:22 |
| ubottu | jabber is a free and open source instant messaging protocol, unlike MSN and AIM. Supporting clients on Linux: Kopete (KDE), Pidgin, Gajim, and Empathy (GNOME), bitlbee (cli/irc). For more info see http://www.jabber.org/ | 13:22 |
| topyli | !msn | 13:22 |
| ubottu | The Empathy Instant Messenger is installed by default and supports MSN, XMPP (Jabber, GTalk and variants), AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ, YIM, IRC and others. See also !Kopete and !pidgin | 13:22 |
| knome | huh, that's a bad factoid :P | 13:23 |
| Myrtti | !currentissues | 13:23 |
| Myrtti | !unforget currentissues | 13:23 |
| ubottu | I suddenly remember currentissues again, Myrtti | 13:23 |
| Myrtti | !currentissues | 13:24 |
| ubottu | The titlebar buttons have switched to the left during the development phase of Lucid. No need for alarm! The developers are testing this and listening to user feedback. The final decision about the position will be made after beta. Kindly be patient. For more insight, read : http://www.ivankamajic.com/?p=281 | 13:24 |
| Myrtti | löl. | 13:24 |
| Pici | lawl | 13:24 |
| knome | RAWR | 13:24 |
| Myrtti | that made me laugh | 13:24 |
| Myrtti | oh man. | 13:24 |
| Myrtti | aaaaaand over to our factoidmasters. | 13:25 |
| Myrtti | give a huge round of applause! *clap* *clap* | 13:25 |
| * knome accidentally burps during the uneasy silence | 13:28 | |
| topyli | i can't think of a good trigger for the broken-msn factoid | 13:30 |
| knome | !broken-msn | 13:30 |
| topyli | might make sense :) | 13:31 |
| jussi | why not just use currentissues ? | 13:31 |
| iceroot | "at the moment there are login-issues with msn. you cant do nothing then wait. In your waiting time have a look at free alternatvies like !jabber" | 13:31 |
| Pici | ikonia: sorry, been up for too many hours at this point | 15:12 |
| ikonia | no no, you're dead on to be factually correct | 15:13 |
| mneptok | http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lubeckSvJO1qi4xu8o1_400.jpg | 16:32 |
| pangolin | mneptok: is on page 14 of 9999999999999999999999 of the internet :P | 16:32 |
| mneptok | but us Ubuntu IRC ops could do well at this. we do it all day, anyway. - http://failblog.org/2011/11/01/epic-fail-photos-family-fun-fail-3/ | 16:36 |
| mneptok | s/but/bet/ | 16:36 |
| pangolin | haha | 16:37 |
| Pici | pangolin: thanks | 17:11 |
| pangolin | sure thing | 17:11 |
| pangolin | btw he is often, iffy. | 17:11 |
| ubottu | EvilResistance called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic () | 19:52 |
| bobweaver | I have a important question if you are on irc and see people hacking websites what to do ? | 21:00 |
| bobweaver | cracking websites * | 21:00 |
| Myrtti | is this happening on some Ubuntu channel now? | 21:03 |
| bobweaver | No | 21:04 |
| bobweaver | on a different network | 21:04 |
| bobweaver | people where using this http://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/18083/ with there bots | 21:05 |
| bobweaver | ajax_create_folder.php > to remote shell | 21:05 |
| LjL | i suppose you could contact the website involved | 21:05 |
| bobweaver | because I was there I dont want to be involed with anything like this. it puts me as a accessory to crime I think not sure | 21:07 |
| * bobweaver is noob | 21:07 | |
| ikonia | ....this really isn't an ubuntu issue | 21:08 |
| bobweaver | ikonia: where to get help please | 21:08 |
| ikonia | LjL's advice is best | 21:08 |
| bobweaver | thank you ikonia | 21:09 |
| ikonia | but beyond that, nothing we can do | 21:09 |
| bobweaver | I know I was just wondering about how to go about something like this. thanks for your time | 21:09 |
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