[05:19] <bandit5432> i have a question about questionst asked in #ubuntu
[05:20] <bandit5432> can i ask for help about things that i can install on ubuntu or linux in general or can i only ask about ubuntu software?
[05:22] <bandit5432> i did not feel that the responses i recieved from some of the ops after asking about installing kernel 3.1 where appreciated
[05:25] <pangolin> you can ask questions about anything that is available in the Ubuntu repositories but keep in mind you may be redirected to a different channel if the helpers feel it would be better for you.
[05:25] <pangolin> that said the 3.1 kernel is not in the ubuntu repos.
[05:25] <bandit5432> yes but it was not a very nice conversation and i have helped people for the last 2 nights
[05:26] <pangolin> how was it not nice?
[05:26] <bandit5432> tonyyarusso, responses where rude
[05:27] <pangolin> I saw his responses and did not see any rudeness on his part
[05:27] <pangolin> what exactly did you think was rude?
[05:27] <bandit5432> [04:08] <tonyyarusso> bandit5432: Well, currently 3.1 does not exist in any supported version of Ubuntu, so it's pretty reasonable that nobody here can support it, frankly.
[05:27] <tonyyarusso> I was explaining that you're unlikely to get help, particularly since you mentioned that this was your second day trying with no results.
[05:28] <pangolin> I suppose you could read that as rude if you really wanted to but knowing tonyyarusso I can say he was not being rude.
[05:29] <bandit5432> ok i take your work for it
[05:29] <bandit5432> word'
[05:29] <pangolin> bandit5432: We do appreciate you bringing your concerns to our attention though :)
[05:29] <tonyyarusso> You certainly *can* ask about such things (we're not telling you it was "offtopic" for the channel) - it's just unlikely to be particularly efficient at getting you the answers you need.
[05:29] <bandit5432> but the response of [04:11] <tonyyarusso> bandit5432: Not really.  It's generally understood that if you want to run bleeding-edge unsupported software you have to be able to support yourself.
[05:30] <pangolin> again nothing rude there
[05:30] <bandit5432> no but not helpful or supportive either
[05:30] <pangolin> bandit5432: I am sorry that you feel he was being rude but if it isn't in the repos it is not supported in #ubuntu.
[05:31] <bandit5432> is that in the guidlines ?
[05:31] <pangolin> no
[05:31] <pangolin> but the guidelines are just that, a guide.
[05:31] <pangolin> not a comprehensive list of everything allowed.
[05:32] <bandit5432> maybe that needs to be added to the channel announce
[05:32] <pangolin> there is also a bit in the guidelines about common sense. I think the not in the repos thing is common sense.
[05:32] <tonyyarusso> Again, you weren't being scolded for any kind of guidelines violation.  You were being told why you hadn't gotten any help yet.
[05:32] <bandit5432> cool
[05:33] <bandit5432> thanks for listening, thats what a lot of us want when we join and have issues or problems
[05:33] <pangolin> We try and thank you.
[05:34] <bandit5432> and you might want to think about adding the repo thing to the user quidelines so there is less confusion
[05:39] <pangolin> tonyyarusso: Stop being so rude :P
[05:39]  * pangolin runs off
[11:12] <Myrtti> niiiicce
[13:00] <iceroot> maybe this can be placed in the topic of #ubuntu? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/887380
[13:02] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/papyon/+bug/887349  this of course instead of the duplicate
[13:14] <ikonia> iceroot: I don't really think a link to a bug is useful in the topic and it's not really a show stopper, certainly a factoid may be more useful
[13:15] <iceroot> ikonia: sounds good
[13:16] <Myrtti> as I suggested to topyli earlier, perhaps we should make a factlet out of the old #gaim topic
[13:16] <ikonia> sounds a good option
[13:16] <Myrtti> [11:10] < topyli> to quote the old #gaim topic: "If you're having trouble connecting to MSN, assume  the problem is with MSN not Gaim"
[13:16] <jussi> what the heck?
[13:17] <jussi> oh yes. my changed clock
[13:17] <knome> clock? :P
[13:17] <jussi> cloak even
[13:17] <Myrtti> ie. most likely it's not a bug that Ubuntu can help at all.
[13:17] <Myrtti> or even upstream projects
[13:17] <Myrtti> "it's MSN, live and learn to use something else"
[13:17] <topyli> upstream can help eventually, once they crack the msn changes
[13:18] <Myrtti> topyli: in about 75% of the cases the problems exist only because MS has some glitch in their servers
[13:18] <Myrtti> about 20% are because there's something wrong with the all over networking
[13:19] <Myrtti> and 5% is actually something that upstream can help
[13:19] <Myrtti> as usual, these numbers are courtesy of the trustworthy Stetson-Harrison method, ie. facts, statistics and lies
[13:19] <topyli> yeah, and when msn has a problem of their own, patience is the only cure
[13:19] <iceroot> heise.de is reporting about routing-errors in the uk and usa (dont have an english link)
[13:19] <Myrtti> iceroot: the juniper issue still?
[13:19] <iceroot> Myrtti: yes
[13:20] <Myrtti> ah, figured as much.
[13:20] <Myrtti> I can only assume it effected IRC networks as well yesterday
[13:20] <iceroot> Myrtti: and the msn-fix is to use another server (see debdiff) so maybe its just because of the routing error
[13:20] <Myrtti> tsk
[13:20] <Myrtti> affected.
[13:21] <Myrtti> so, I stand by my opinion of "it's not you, it's MSN" and "learn to use something else"
[13:21] <Myrtti> :-P
[13:21] <Myrtti> I know it's not helpful, but filing bugreports probably isn't either
[13:21] <iceroot> can we do that on !iphone and !ipod too? :)
[13:21] <topyli> Myrtti: so, "assume the problem is with msn, not your chat client. also see !jabber" :)
[13:22] <topyli> !jabber
[13:22] <topyli> !msn
[13:23] <knome> huh, that's a bad factoid :P
[13:23] <Myrtti> !currentissues
[13:23] <Myrtti> !unforget currentissues
[13:24] <Myrtti> !currentissues
[13:24] <Myrtti> löl.
[13:24] <Pici> lawl
[13:24] <knome> RAWR
[13:24] <Myrtti> that made me laugh
[13:24] <Myrtti> oh man.
[13:25] <Myrtti> aaaaaand over to our factoidmasters.
[13:25] <Myrtti> give a huge round of applause! *clap*                      *clap*
[13:28]  * knome accidentally burps during the uneasy silence
[13:30] <topyli> i can't think of a good trigger for the broken-msn factoid
[13:30] <knome> !broken-msn
[13:31] <topyli> might make sense :)
[13:31] <jussi> why not just use currentissues ?
[13:31] <iceroot> "at the moment there are login-issues with msn. you cant do nothing then wait. In your waiting time have a look at free alternatvies like !jabber"
[15:12] <Pici> ikonia: sorry, been up for too many hours at this point
[15:13] <ikonia> no no, you're dead on to be factually correct
[16:32] <mneptok> http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lubeckSvJO1qi4xu8o1_400.jpg
[16:32] <pangolin> mneptok: is on page 14 of 9999999999999999999999 of the internet :P
[16:36] <mneptok> but us Ubuntu IRC ops could do well at this. we do it all day, anyway. -  http://failblog.org/2011/11/01/epic-fail-photos-family-fun-fail-3/
[16:36] <mneptok> s/but/bet/
[16:37] <pangolin> haha
[17:11] <Pici> pangolin: thanks
[17:11] <pangolin> sure thing
[17:11] <pangolin> btw he is often, iffy.
[21:00] <bobweaver> I have a important question if you are on irc and see people hacking websites what to do ?
[21:00] <bobweaver> cracking websites *
[21:03] <Myrtti> is this happening on some Ubuntu channel now?
[21:04] <bobweaver> No
[21:04] <bobweaver> on a different network
[21:05] <bobweaver> people where using this http://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/18083/   with there bots
[21:05] <bobweaver> ajax_create_folder.php   > to remote shell
[21:05] <LjL> i suppose you could contact the website involved
[21:07] <bobweaver> because I was there I dont want to be involed with anything like this.  it puts me as a accessory to crime I think not sure
[21:07]  * bobweaver is noob 
[21:08] <ikonia> ....this really isn't an ubuntu issue
[21:08] <bobweaver> ikonia: where to get help please
[21:08] <ikonia> LjL's advice is best
[21:09] <bobweaver> thank you ikonia
[21:09] <ikonia> but beyond that, nothing we can do
[21:09] <bobweaver> I know I was just wondering about how to go about something like this. thanks for your time