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rick_hcool00:12
rick_hpatches welcome in the flesh00:12
Wolfgerok, I finally gave in and bought an O'Reilly DotD00:24
Wolfgernow I must learn more than just rudimentary vim skills00:25
* Wolfger pokes ColonelPanic001 until he too buys the ebook00:26
rick_hhah, peer pressure00:34
rick_hI used to have one, must have given it away I guess00:34
rick_hcan't find it now00:35
_stink_"patches welcome in the flesh"00:35
_stink_+1 for context necessary00:35
snap-lheh00:37
rick_hso, if I wanted to do a conditional xorg.conf file...what I just create my own init script and make it before lightdm?00:49
rick_hwould I hack the init script for lightdm itself?00:49
jcastrorick_h: ask on AU, the lightdm author follows the tag00:56
rick_hjcastro: cool, thanks00:56
rick_hhah, sitting at the bar, watching the game, with irc on the usb display02:11
rick_hI think I've officially gone too far02:11
_stink_any funny looks?02:27
rick_hgot asked if it was a work laptop or a fantasy football laptop02:28
rick_hother that than, too buried in the laptop and the game to people watch02:28
rick_hman, I just don't know how things startup like I used to02:28
_stink_they're all looking at you!02:28
rick_hahhhhh!02:28
rick_hjcastro: http://blog.mitechie.com/2011/11/07/mutli-monitor-on-the-go-displaylink-usb-monitor/02:57
snap-lrick_h: Awesome that you got iy working.03:00
rick_hsnap-l: yea, got some bugs, but still pretty sweet03:00
rick_hI'll bring it tomorrow to show03:00
rick_hwith some script/tweaking should be able to get over most of it I think03:00
snap-lTomorrow might not be the best, since we're in the cramped room again03:00
rick_hah, sucky03:00
rick_hwell CHC then03:01
snap-lyeah, that would be sweet03:01
rick_hhttp://twitter.com/#!/carlfish/status/133734043509456896 lol03:19
jrwrenrick_h: you are working for canonical? wtf?03:49
jrwrencongrats?03:49
rick_hjrwren: yea, start for the launchpad team next week03:52
rick_hhttp://blog.mitechie.com/2011/10/19/been-a-good-summer-fitness-woodworking-and-new-job-coming-soon/03:52
snap-lReminder that MUG is tonight at 6:30pm.12:46
snap-llmorchard: ^^12:46
Wolfgermorning12:58
brouschyou are correct12:59
Wolfgerof course I am12:59
brouschrunning kde3?13:02
brouschtrinity?13:02
Wolfgernot yet13:03
WolfgerTried to apt-get trinity, but no package found13:03
Wolfgerand I've been lazy13:03
Wolfgeractually, I looked at Linux Mint 12, and I think I might try that too...13:04
brouschnearly every person i know that has tried mint dumped it within 6 months13:05
brouschusually because an update breaks it13:05
Wolfgerheh13:05
brouschthat includes me13:05
Wolfgerso... just like Gentoo. I should be good.13:05
Wolfger:-D13:05
brouschjust sayin, make sure you go in with backups13:06
WolfgerBut the big Mint news now is MATE. They are working with a fork of Gnome 2 that can be installed along side Gnome 313:06
Wolfgernot that I'm a huge Gnome 2 fan, but it'll be big news for some people13:06
snap-lY'know, I'm over Gnome 213:07
Wolfgerat this point, I don't need no stinking backups. I've kept my media on a separate partition for years, and Win 7 has been my primary OS ever since I got a laptop. :-p13:08
brouschWolfger: that sounds sustainable13:08
snap-lI think jcastro was right. In a year's time, people won't care13:08
snap-lThose that actualy give Unity a chance.13:08
brouschgnome shell is good enough13:08
Wolfgersnap-l: just like people don't care about KDE3?13:08
snap-lWell, I don't care about KDE313:09
snap-lor KDE? for that matter. ;)13:09
brouschi care about it a little bit13:09
snap-l(I'm teasing. I care that people continue to want to use it and support it)13:09
Wolfgerwhat's really borked, though, is the Ubuntu location of the buttons, and the auto-hidey menu bar at the top of the screen rather than on the app window13:10
Wolfgerthose, honestly, make Ubuntu a pain in the ass to use, rather than a pleasure13:10
snap-lWolfger: That's been a bit rough13:10
snap-lbut I've gotten used to it13:10
brouschgnome shell has normal menus13:11
brouschand the close button on the right13:11
Wolfgerit's something you can get used to if you spend all (or even most) of your time in Ubuntu, but much of the world still has to use Windows on a daily basis, for work if nothing else. That makes it much harder to "get used to it"13:11
Wolfgerhow do you get gnome shell? I tried to apt-get that too, but said it couldn't find it13:12
brouschbut there's no minimize, which annoys me sometimes13:12
brouschsudo apt-get install gnome-shell (on 11.10)13:12
WolfgerI can live without minimize pretty easily13:12
Wolfgerah, ok. I'm still on 11.0413:12
brouschunity is nicer on 11.10 too13:12
brouschyou should upgrade, then you can install unity and gnome shell and switch between them13:13
snap-lI haven't used Gnome Shell in a while13:13
snap-lbut it feels like it's too radical for my tastes.13:13
brouschi actually got used to the buttons on the left, so it being back on the right is kind of annoying to me13:13
brouschsnap-l: it's basically the same level of strangeness as unity13:14
snap-lI minimize like a mother.13:14
Wolfgertonight's task list is growing.... Upgrade to 11.10, install and try gnome-shell, install and try Trinity, read vim book and learn, read python book and/or work on python app and learn...13:14
brouschmaybe less strangeness compared to gnome213:14
brouschWolfger: do you live in alaska?13:14
brouschthat's a long night13:14
snap-lYeah, that's not something you can finish in a night. :)13:15
snap-lUnless you can dilate time.13:15
Wolfgeranyhow, this is the article that got me thinking about Mint: http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2011/11/linux-mint-12-lisa-to-come-with.html13:15
snap-lOr you're Cher and you can TURN BACK TIME...13:15
* snap-l waits for the death threats.13:15
brouschWolfger: i saw that, but i don't think it's sustainable13:16
Wolfgersnap-l: define "finish". I'm not aiming to read two books cover-to-cover, that's for sure13:16
brouschthe gnome2 part anyway13:16
WolfgerMGSE looks a lot sexier than Unity13:17
Wolfgeralso, /me threatens to kill snap-l for the attempt at infecting me with a Cher earworm13:18
Wolfgerhttp://www.freep.com/article/20111108/COL41/111080311/Mark-W-Smith-Google-goes-to-the-Detroit-Zoo13:22
brouschhey, i was just there like a month ago!13:23
brouschit was a lot more crowded13:23
snap-lhttp://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/11/can-dram-replace-hard-drives-and-ssds-ramcloud-creators-say-yes.ars <- I believe RAMDISKS are coming back13:23
brouschmy wife asked for this for xmas. wtf is with the prices? http://www.amazon.com/Piano-Museum-Yiruma/dp/B000657KI413:48
ColonelPanic001out of print?13:49
brouschit's frickin music. sell me the mp3s13:52
brouschdomn fools. hm, should i buy it new for $140 or download it from a file sharing site?13:53
snap-lbrousch: Check around13:58
brouschi found it used for $6413:58
snap-lAmazon gets nuts with sellers thinking that something like E. Power Biggs isn't avaiable via Amazon13:58
snap-lbrousch: Check eBay13:58
snap-lI found the same thing with the Wendy Carlos Switched on Box Set13:59
snap-lthough those prices get outrageous as well13:59
snap-lAlso check to see if there's any used CD shops that might have it14:00
snap-lAssuming any still exist in your area.14:00
* snap-l also notes that there's several Korean stores by him14:01
brousch$24 on ebay, getting better14:01
snap-lIs that Buy It Now, or last bid?14:01
snap-lif it's a bid, expect it to go higher.14:01
brouschbah, $25 + $20 shipping from tokyo14:01
brouschno bids yet14:01
snap-lOK, that's no deal14:02
snap-lI'd at least watch it14:02
brouschsilly14:02
snap-lbut if $70+ is the asking rate, expect it to go around $40 at least14:02
snap-lThis begs the root of the question: Why is she asking for Korean piano music? :)14:02
snap-lSounds like it's new-agey stuff14:03
brouschi have no idea14:05
snap-lI blame NPR.14:05
brouschthat is possible14:06
ColonelPanic001hay i listen to npr in the mornings14:06
ColonelPanic001I take personal offense to you expressing a polite but differing thought.14:06
snap-lAh, OK, I think I know who this is14:07
snap-lI think he did the soundtrack for the OST "Puppy Dung"14:07
snap-lI remember hearing about this14:07
brouschwhat is ost?14:07
snap-l(just checked Ubuntu One Music Store)14:07
snap-lOriginal Soundtrack14:08
ColonelPanic001overall shitty time14:08
snap-lSorry, was thinking OVA. ;)14:08
brouschi can buy puppy dung on itunes14:08
snap-lhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_video_animation14:08
brouschfml, he has stuff on the twilight soundtrack14:10
brouschthank gawd for russians14:11
snap-lYeah, just realized that as well14:12
snap-lI was hoping there might have been a re-release.14:13
brouschi can't remember the last time i went to the torrents or p2p sites for something14:14
snap-lhttp://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/Kendra_Springer <- Only New-agey piano you need.14:15
brouschit has a violin too14:18
brouschthe piano museum14:18
snap-lhttp://www.jamendo.com/en/track/602998 <- Violin and Piano.14:20
brouschi'm trying to wake up14:20
snap-lhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiZAheU3fkA14:23
snap-lhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKXSpwvVrsU&feature=related14:23
snap-lhttp://www.readwriteweb.com/enterprise/2011/11/microsoft-gives-up-on-competit.php <- Bwahahaha14:24
Wolfgervery sad14:26
Wolfgers/sad/pathetic/14:28
jrwrenrick_h: congrats. I hope you somehow crush github :)14:28
snap-lI don't hope that at all14:28
snap-lI think choice is great. FOr some, that's github, others sourceforge14:29
jrwrenby crush, I mean compete.14:29
jrwreni hope LP becomes a leader again, instead of the butt end of jokes.14:29
snap-lbut I hope Launchpad makes me have to think again about where to host code. :)14:29
jrwrenexactly.14:29
Wolfgers/Launchpad/Gitpad/  XD14:31
snap-lrick_h: ttp://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596802301.do?imm_mid=077dd4&cmp=em-orm-pr-art-of-readable-code14:42
snap-lNot so much a "hey, get this", as it is a "hey, someone else thinks readable code is nifty too"14:43
rick_hbrousch: lol, I like that you're saying Gnome Shell is good, but it landed in debian and my first two blog posts I saw this morning were rants against it14:49
rick_hjrwren: thanks, it's going to be interesting. At least the team knows they've got some work to do. I'm looking forward to trying to help for sure14:50
brouschit is almost as different from gnome2 as unity is, so those who are just trying it will whine14:51
rick_hbrousch: yea, just funny to read the scrollback after catching up on RSS early this morning14:51
rick_hsnap-l: thanks for the book link14:54
rick_hthat's sweet timing14:54
rick_hwish I had it before my talk so I could mention it/plug it perhaps14:54
rick_hbut cool14:54
rick_hwow, book is 1/2 the price on kindle format14:55
rick_hmaybe this ebook stuff is finally making sense14:55
snap-lYeah, O'reilly gets it14:56
rick_hwell it's $35 for paper, $27 for ebook on oreilly14:57
rick_hkindle book is $1514:57
snap-lOh14:57
snap-lAnd O'Reilly has coupons. ;)14:57
snap-lso you can usually get it for $1414:57
rick_hdefinitely, still, not often in the tech books to see ebook 1/2 of paper14:57
snap-lagain, O'reilly gets it. :)14:58
snap-las opposed to Wiley, and MK14:58
snap-lhttp://www.elsevierdirect.com/product.jsp?isbn=978012381976514:59
snap-lSorry, but if your eBook is as much as your softcover, I'll buy the softcover15:00
snap-lat least that has resale value should I decide to part with it.15:00
snap-lI'm not paying a premium for bits.15:00
brouschi think the ebook should come free if you buy a dead tree version15:00
snap-lI like the way Apress does their book -> ebook pgrade15:01
snap-l$10 to upgrade15:01
rick_hyea15:01
brouschthat seems reasonable15:01
snap-lso even if you get an illicit copy, and want to make it legal, it's $1015:02
brouschillicit copy?15:02
brouschof a dead tree book?15:02
snap-lWell, say you borrow a friend's book. ;)15:02
snap-land then "upgrade" it. ;)15:03
rick_hman, I'm tempted by the ODotD today15:03
snap-lor find a site with the text on it15:03
rick_hbut no reviews on amazon15:03
rick_hand a pricey book15:03
snap-lrick_h: Yea, that's a bt much15:03
rick_hI'd feel better if I could find some good reviews15:04
rick_hbut nadda15:04
snap-lI think it's an upgrade of a previous book, no?15:04
rick_hthere's some other interface books15:04
rick_hbut I think this is rev 1 of this mobile one15:05
snap-lAh, OK15:05
rick_hyea, I've got a couple like designing web interfaces and such15:05
snap-lIt's a pre-order.15:05
snap-lAt least, acc. to Amazon15:05
rick_hbut it wasn't earth shattering at all (the web one)15:05
brouschlink?15:05
snap-lhttp://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920013716.do15:06
rick_hhmm, the sample looks pretty good15:07
snap-lhttp://cdn.oreilly.com/oreilly/booksamplers/9781449394639_sampler.pdf15:07
snap-lBeat me to the punch. ;)15:08
rick_hyea, reading through it15:08
brouschi would wait until i need to make a complicated mobile interface15:08
snap-lI'm getting the impression this is more high-level than you think15:08
rick_hlow level than I thought15:09
snap-llooks rather generic "here's how you'd design an app for mobile"15:09
rick_hyea, but very detailed15:09
snap-lIs there an Android design document ou tthere?15:09
brouschyes15:10
snap-lhttp://stepto.bandcamp.com/releases15:11
brouschhttp://developer.android.com/guide/practices/ui_guidelines/index.html15:11
snap-lI have never thought of using Bandcamp to release an audio book, but why not. :)15:11
rick_hhttp://twitter.com/?photo_id=1#!/mpirnat/status/133924152699654145/photo/1 lol15:12
rick_hanyway, I think urge has been resisted. If i did a mobile app in itself I'd check it out I think15:12
brouschsnap-l: i tweeted that android UI link 2 days ago. do you not read all my tweets?15:12
snap-lbrousch: You tweet?15:12
rick_hbut I'm shooting for more responsive design than full UI for bookie mobile use15:12
brouschhave to go native for great responsiveness15:13
rick_hyea, ColonelPanic001 and I had a great convo about some great uses for a native bookie app15:14
rick_hbut until I hire a mobile team, meh...share as much as possible15:14
rick_hhttp://techcrunch.com/2011/11/08/amazons-kindle-cloud-reader-now-available-for-firefox-too/15:16
rick_hnice, yay that rocks15:18
jrwrenthe crazy thing is that bzr+lp is nicer than git+github in many ways still.15:21
rick_hyea, I hear the people that use the dev patterns LP is built for love it15:24
rick_hbut I've just never really been in that use case15:24
ColonelPanic001I'd offer to do an android app, but I don't want to offer and never get around to it15:25
_stink_yeah, like that guy who said he'd do the firefox extension15:27
ColonelPanic001yeah15:27
WolfgerHmm. Cloud Reader on FF doesn't show all the books that should be in my cloud15:54
Wolfgerlike, the book I'm currently reading15:54
rick_hdid you buy it from amazon?15:55
WolfgerI wonder if that book came pre-loaded on the Android app15:55
rick_hor load it via pdf/etc?15:55
Wolfgeror if I downloaded it pre-Kindle and the Android app simply found it and absorbed it.15:55
WolfgerNo, I'm not expecting yesterday's acquisition of howto vim to appear there, though it would be nice if I could upload it15:56
Wolfgerbut I was reading Treasure Island, which I don't remember ever downloading, but which has always existed in my Kindle library on my phone....15:57
Wolfger<shrug> I'm sure it's probably my error, not theirs15:57
Wolfgermy purchased kindle books are there15:57
Wolfgerspeaking of Learning vi and Vim... did you know there's a cw command that is like s for an entire word? (Of course *you* did... :-p)15:59
Wolfgerhow many keystrokes I could have been saving all these years16:00
snap-lMy Kobo came with about 100 PD books16:01
WolfgerI've always replaced a word by doing xxxxxs16:01
brouschWolfger: i also have treasure island, so i would guess it came in automatically on one of the platforms16:03
brouschyou terminal freaks see this? http://onethingwell.org/post/12514672222/tyrs16:05
ColonelPanic001brousch: that's kind of nice, actually16:13
ColonelPanic001thanks16:13
jrwrenwtf? askubuntu questions expire and disappear?16:16
rick_hbrousch: I used twitvim for a long time16:22
rick_hkind of miss it actually16:22
rick_hWolfger: I need to test that. Supposedly I can email the pdf of my orielly purchase to my kindle account and it'll load on my kindle16:23
rick_hI need to test if it shows on read.amazon.com and such16:23
rick_honly problem is that I think it converts it to mobi, so might break the look16:23
rick_hlol at cw16:23
rick_hWolfger: wait until you read about ci"16:24
jcastrojrwren: which one?16:32
jcastrojrwren: if it's abandoned we usually close it16:32
jcastrobut that doesn't delete it16:32
jcastroit'd have to be pretty worthless to be deleted16:32
snap-ljrwren: Was it buried?16:49
Wolfgerrick_h: I downloaded my O'Reilly book in .mobi format (and .pdf too), so that shouldn't be a problem.16:53
rick_hWolfger: ah cool16:53
jrwrenit was about usbip16:53
rick_hlet me know if it shows up then16:53
jrwrena guy emailed me this morning asking if I had a resolution.16:54
jrwrenI do not.16:54
jrwrenit should be open item.16:54
jrwrenwhat is buried mean?16:54
jrwrenit doesn't even show as a question I asked. I'm amazed it was removed from that list16:54
snap-lHmm, the new Nook touch looks Niiiiiice16:59
rick_hNook tablet16:59
snap-lYeah, the tablet looks good too16:59
rick_hoh, you mean the eink touch?16:59
snap-lhttp://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/nook-simple-touch-barnes-noble/110234473516:59
snap-lYeah, $9917:00
snap-lGoing to have to bring some samples to BN to see how it work.17:00
rick_hcool17:00
brouschbah, B&W is for old people17:02
ColonelPanic001looks decent for $10017:02
ColonelPanic001b&w is plenty good for reading17:02
jcastrojrwren: you can't improve the question in any way whatsoever?17:03
snap-lHonestly, if it hooks to my fucking wifi, it's worth it17:03
jrwrenjcastro: not really.17:03
jrwrenmaybe I could link to a bug a filed in LP17:03
jcastroanything would help17:05
rick_hsmoser: you coming to mug tonight?17:24
snap-lMan17:50
snap-lStupid network17:50
rick_hthat good eh?17:50
snap-lConked out again17:51
snap-lwonder if they're doing something17:51
snap-lhttp://publicdomainreview.org/2011/09/18/betty-boop-minnie-the-moocher-1932/17:53
snap-lAlso: http://publicdomainreview.org/2011/10/15/vd-is-for-everybody-1969/18:03
snap-ljcastro: Got the Time Machine DVD in my hot little hands.18:33
jcastroOOOH.18:38
snap-lIt has the movies without audience sound. :)18:39
brouschwhy are your hands hot?18:40
snap-lBecause this is awesome18:40
brousch1960 or 2002 version?18:45
snap-l2011 version18:46
snap-lbrousch: Try harder, you're not getting my goat that easy.18:46
brouschapparently i have no idea what you are talking about18:47
brouschoh, this is some rush thing18:48
snap-lbrousch: Yes.18:49
Wolfgersnap-l: I just realized you said Time Machine.... for some reason I initially thought you said Hot Tub Time Machine, and couldn't begin to understand why you were excited about that. Or even willing to admit it.18:51
snap-lWolfger: I'm glad you had to think about it. :)18:51
brouschWolfger: i thought he was really into old sci fi18:51
brouschlike maybe it just came out on DVD18:52
WolfgerYeah, when somebody says "DVD", I'm thinking "movie" not "music"18:52
brouschwith an extra 30 seconds of morlocks18:52
WolfgerLOL18:52
Wolfgermore locks18:52
Wolfger"Now with more 'locks!"18:52
Wolfger;-)18:52
brouschsnap-l: getting closer now?18:53
snap-lBarely.18:53
snap-lA for effort, though18:53
dzhohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Machine_Tour <- just to thoroughly slay the equiine18:57
dzhos/ii/i/18:57
Wolfgersnap-l and his hot Rush Time Machine18:57
brouschdoes it bother you that when i see Rush i think Limbaugh?18:59
snap-lHugely19:00
snap-lI remember my dad saying that West Michigan had Rush listening parties19:00
snap-lwas hugely bummed when I realized they were meaning that blowhard.19:00
brouschi'm not a copyhead, but many of the other people here are19:00
snap-lDittohead19:00
snap-lRush Limbaugh is cut from the same cloth as Howard Stern19:01
snap-lExcept instead of glorifying porn stars, he glorifies idiocy. :)19:01
snap-land rash behaviour19:02
WolfgerStern's far better19:02
snap-lStern is an artist19:02
snap-lHe knows what buttons to push19:02
Wolfgerwell simply from the perspective of what he glorifies, he's far better19:03
Wolfgerthey are both top-notch button pushers19:03
WolfgerYou know when something is advertised as "save $500" and they don't tell you the sale price, it's going to be a lot more than $500 *after* the discount...19:22
snap-lYeah19:23
snap-lMy favorite are the ones where it's "save up to $500"19:23
Wolfger"the more you buy, the more you save!"19:25
Wolfgerno... the more I buy, the more I spend19:25
WolfgerI save most by buying nothing.19:25
brouschWolfger: i can tell you're not a woman19:28
dzhobecause what would IRC be without sexist generalizations19:29
greg-gdzho: zing!19:29
brouschdzho: i shudder to think about it19:30
greg-gI might enjoy that new paradigm, personally :)19:31
Wolfgerdzho: when a generalization is statistically accurate, is it still "wrong"?19:33
Wolfgerand I say that as a man whose wife would test as "not a woman" by brousch's standard...19:33
brouschi didn't say that all women think that way, only than no man does19:35
_stink_too late, you're painted as a misogynist.19:35
brouschhm, wait, i guess i did say that19:36
snap-lI wonder if Dutch Boy has a color for mysoginist20:06
snap-land I wonder if I have a spell checker.20:06
brouschi'm sure it's some shade of pink20:07
brouschmaybe salmon, a fishy sort of pink20:07
dzhodusty rose20:13
snap-lhttp://www.blendernation.com/2011/11/08/cute-overload-my-little-ponies/21:07
brouschsnap-l: are you a brony?21:12
snap-lhell no21:15
brouschWill there come a day when i won't have to click OK for someone because they accidentally clicked the D: and there's no disk in the drive?21:37
_stink_heh21:40
snap-lhttp://www.metalinjection.net/av/every-song-slayer-reign-in-blood-same-time21:40
_stink_i read that D: as an emoticon at first21:40
ColonelPanic001sounds like grindcore21:43
snap-lYeah, although it sounds better than most of the dryer-fucking industrial I've heard out there.21:44
ColonelPanic001hah21:45
smoserrick_h, not coming to mug? no snap-l either ?23:34
smoserspeak of the devil. snap-l arrives.23:36
rick_hsmoser: yea, just running late today. Babysitter since the wife had stuff as well23:40
widox\23:40
snap-lYeah, I was running a littlelate aswell23:45
waldo323traffic sucked23:50

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