[00:12] cool [00:12] patches welcome in the flesh [00:24] ok, I finally gave in and bought an O'Reilly DotD [00:25] now I must learn more than just rudimentary vim skills [00:26] * Wolfger pokes ColonelPanic001 until he too buys the ebook [00:34] hah, peer pressure [00:34] I used to have one, must have given it away I guess [00:35] can't find it now [00:35] <_stink_> "patches welcome in the flesh" [00:35] <_stink_> +1 for context necessary [00:37] heh [00:49] so, if I wanted to do a conditional xorg.conf file...what I just create my own init script and make it before lightdm? [00:49] would I hack the init script for lightdm itself? [00:56] rick_h: ask on AU, the lightdm author follows the tag [00:56] jcastro: cool, thanks [02:11] hah, sitting at the bar, watching the game, with irc on the usb display [02:11] I think I've officially gone too far [02:27] <_stink_> any funny looks? [02:28] got asked if it was a work laptop or a fantasy football laptop [02:28] other that than, too buried in the laptop and the game to people watch [02:28] man, I just don't know how things startup like I used to [02:28] <_stink_> they're all looking at you! [02:28] ahhhhh! [02:57] jcastro: http://blog.mitechie.com/2011/11/07/mutli-monitor-on-the-go-displaylink-usb-monitor/ [03:00] rick_h: Awesome that you got iy working. [03:00] snap-l: yea, got some bugs, but still pretty sweet [03:00] I'll bring it tomorrow to show [03:00] with some script/tweaking should be able to get over most of it I think [03:00] Tomorrow might not be the best, since we're in the cramped room again [03:00] ah, sucky [03:01] well CHC then [03:01] yeah, that would be sweet [03:19] http://twitter.com/#!/carlfish/status/133734043509456896 lol [03:49] rick_h: you are working for canonical? wtf? [03:49] congrats? [03:52] jrwren: yea, start for the launchpad team next week [03:52] http://blog.mitechie.com/2011/10/19/been-a-good-summer-fitness-woodworking-and-new-job-coming-soon/ [12:46] Reminder that MUG is tonight at 6:30pm. [12:46] lmorchard: ^^ [12:58] morning [12:59] you are correct [12:59] of course I am [13:02] running kde3? [13:02] trinity? [13:03] not yet [13:03] Tried to apt-get trinity, but no package found [13:03] and I've been lazy [13:04] actually, I looked at Linux Mint 12, and I think I might try that too... [13:05] nearly every person i know that has tried mint dumped it within 6 months [13:05] usually because an update breaks it [13:05] heh [13:05] that includes me [13:05] so... just like Gentoo. I should be good. [13:05] :-D [13:06] just sayin, make sure you go in with backups [13:06] But the big Mint news now is MATE. They are working with a fork of Gnome 2 that can be installed along side Gnome 3 [13:06] not that I'm a huge Gnome 2 fan, but it'll be big news for some people [13:07] Y'know, I'm over Gnome 2 [13:08] at this point, I don't need no stinking backups. I've kept my media on a separate partition for years, and Win 7 has been my primary OS ever since I got a laptop. :-p [13:08] Wolfger: that sounds sustainable [13:08] I think jcastro was right. In a year's time, people won't care [13:08] Those that actualy give Unity a chance. [13:08] gnome shell is good enough [13:08] snap-l: just like people don't care about KDE3? [13:09] Well, I don't care about KDE3 [13:09] or KDE? for that matter. ;) [13:09] i care about it a little bit [13:09] (I'm teasing. I care that people continue to want to use it and support it) [13:10] what's really borked, though, is the Ubuntu location of the buttons, and the auto-hidey menu bar at the top of the screen rather than on the app window [13:10] those, honestly, make Ubuntu a pain in the ass to use, rather than a pleasure [13:10] Wolfger: That's been a bit rough [13:10] but I've gotten used to it [13:11] gnome shell has normal menus [13:11] and the close button on the right [13:11] it's something you can get used to if you spend all (or even most) of your time in Ubuntu, but much of the world still has to use Windows on a daily basis, for work if nothing else. That makes it much harder to "get used to it" [13:12] how do you get gnome shell? I tried to apt-get that too, but said it couldn't find it [13:12] but there's no minimize, which annoys me sometimes [13:12] sudo apt-get install gnome-shell (on 11.10) [13:12] I can live without minimize pretty easily [13:12] ah, ok. I'm still on 11.04 [13:12] unity is nicer on 11.10 too [13:13] you should upgrade, then you can install unity and gnome shell and switch between them [13:13] I haven't used Gnome Shell in a while [13:13] but it feels like it's too radical for my tastes. [13:13] i actually got used to the buttons on the left, so it being back on the right is kind of annoying to me [13:14] snap-l: it's basically the same level of strangeness as unity [13:14] I minimize like a mother. [13:14] tonight's task list is growing.... Upgrade to 11.10, install and try gnome-shell, install and try Trinity, read vim book and learn, read python book and/or work on python app and learn... [13:14] maybe less strangeness compared to gnome2 [13:14] Wolfger: do you live in alaska? [13:14] that's a long night [13:15] Yeah, that's not something you can finish in a night. :) [13:15] Unless you can dilate time. [13:15] anyhow, this is the article that got me thinking about Mint: http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2011/11/linux-mint-12-lisa-to-come-with.html [13:15] Or you're Cher and you can TURN BACK TIME... [13:15] * snap-l waits for the death threats. [13:16] Wolfger: i saw that, but i don't think it's sustainable [13:16] snap-l: define "finish". I'm not aiming to read two books cover-to-cover, that's for sure [13:16] the gnome2 part anyway [13:17] MGSE looks a lot sexier than Unity [13:18] also, /me threatens to kill snap-l for the attempt at infecting me with a Cher earworm [13:22] http://www.freep.com/article/20111108/COL41/111080311/Mark-W-Smith-Google-goes-to-the-Detroit-Zoo [13:23] hey, i was just there like a month ago! [13:23] it was a lot more crowded [13:23] http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/11/can-dram-replace-hard-drives-and-ssds-ramcloud-creators-say-yes.ars <- I believe RAMDISKS are coming back [13:48] my wife asked for this for xmas. wtf is with the prices? http://www.amazon.com/Piano-Museum-Yiruma/dp/B000657KI4 [13:49] out of print? [13:52] it's frickin music. sell me the mp3s [13:53] domn fools. hm, should i buy it new for $140 or download it from a file sharing site? [13:58] brousch: Check around [13:58] i found it used for $64 [13:58] Amazon gets nuts with sellers thinking that something like E. Power Biggs isn't avaiable via Amazon [13:58] brousch: Check eBay [13:59] I found the same thing with the Wendy Carlos Switched on Box Set [13:59] though those prices get outrageous as well [14:00] Also check to see if there's any used CD shops that might have it [14:00] Assuming any still exist in your area. [14:01] * snap-l also notes that there's several Korean stores by him [14:01] $24 on ebay, getting better [14:01] Is that Buy It Now, or last bid? [14:01] if it's a bid, expect it to go higher. [14:01] bah, $25 + $20 shipping from tokyo [14:01] no bids yet [14:02] OK, that's no deal [14:02] I'd at least watch it [14:02] silly [14:02] but if $70+ is the asking rate, expect it to go around $40 at least [14:02] This begs the root of the question: Why is she asking for Korean piano music? :) [14:03] Sounds like it's new-agey stuff [14:05] i have no idea [14:05] I blame NPR. [14:06] that is possible [14:06] hay i listen to npr in the mornings [14:06] I take personal offense to you expressing a polite but differing thought. [14:07] Ah, OK, I think I know who this is [14:07] I think he did the soundtrack for the OST "Puppy Dung" [14:07] I remember hearing about this [14:07] what is ost? [14:07] (just checked Ubuntu One Music Store) [14:08] Original Soundtrack [14:08] overall shitty time [14:08] Sorry, was thinking OVA. ;) [14:08] i can buy puppy dung on itunes [14:08] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_video_animation [14:10] fml, he has stuff on the twilight soundtrack [14:11] thank gawd for russians [14:12] Yeah, just realized that as well [14:13] I was hoping there might have been a re-release. [14:14] i can't remember the last time i went to the torrents or p2p sites for something [14:15] http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/Kendra_Springer <- Only New-agey piano you need. [14:18] it has a violin too [14:18] the piano museum [14:20] http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/602998 <- Violin and Piano. [14:20] i'm trying to wake up [14:23] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiZAheU3fkA [14:23] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKXSpwvVrsU&feature=related [14:24] http://www.readwriteweb.com/enterprise/2011/11/microsoft-gives-up-on-competit.php <- Bwahahaha [14:26] very sad [14:28] s/sad/pathetic/ [14:28] rick_h: congrats. I hope you somehow crush github :) [14:28] I don't hope that at all [14:29] I think choice is great. FOr some, that's github, others sourceforge [14:29] by crush, I mean compete. [14:29] i hope LP becomes a leader again, instead of the butt end of jokes. [14:29] but I hope Launchpad makes me have to think again about where to host code. :) [14:29] exactly. [14:31] s/Launchpad/Gitpad/ XD [14:42] rick_h: ttp://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596802301.do?imm_mid=077dd4&cmp=em-orm-pr-art-of-readable-code [14:43] Not so much a "hey, get this", as it is a "hey, someone else thinks readable code is nifty too" [14:49] brousch: lol, I like that you're saying Gnome Shell is good, but it landed in debian and my first two blog posts I saw this morning were rants against it [14:50] jrwren: thanks, it's going to be interesting. At least the team knows they've got some work to do. I'm looking forward to trying to help for sure [14:51] it is almost as different from gnome2 as unity is, so those who are just trying it will whine [14:51] brousch: yea, just funny to read the scrollback after catching up on RSS early this morning [14:54] snap-l: thanks for the book link [14:54] that's sweet timing [14:54] wish I had it before my talk so I could mention it/plug it perhaps [14:54] but cool [14:55] wow, book is 1/2 the price on kindle format [14:55] maybe this ebook stuff is finally making sense [14:56] Yeah, O'reilly gets it [14:57] well it's $35 for paper, $27 for ebook on oreilly [14:57] kindle book is $15 [14:57] Oh [14:57] And O'Reilly has coupons. ;) [14:57] so you can usually get it for $14 [14:57] definitely, still, not often in the tech books to see ebook 1/2 of paper [14:58] again, O'reilly gets it. :) [14:58] as opposed to Wiley, and MK [14:59] http://www.elsevierdirect.com/product.jsp?isbn=9780123819765 [15:00] Sorry, but if your eBook is as much as your softcover, I'll buy the softcover [15:00] at least that has resale value should I decide to part with it. [15:00] I'm not paying a premium for bits. [15:00] i think the ebook should come free if you buy a dead tree version [15:01] I like the way Apress does their book -> ebook pgrade [15:01] $10 to upgrade [15:01] yea [15:01] that seems reasonable [15:02] so even if you get an illicit copy, and want to make it legal, it's $10 [15:02] illicit copy? [15:02] of a dead tree book? [15:02] Well, say you borrow a friend's book. ;) [15:03] and then "upgrade" it. ;) [15:03] man, I'm tempted by the ODotD today [15:03] or find a site with the text on it [15:03] but no reviews on amazon [15:03] and a pricey book [15:03] rick_h: Yea, that's a bt much [15:04] I'd feel better if I could find some good reviews [15:04] but nadda [15:04] I think it's an upgrade of a previous book, no? [15:04] there's some other interface books [15:05] but I think this is rev 1 of this mobile one [15:05] Ah, OK [15:05] yea, I've got a couple like designing web interfaces and such [15:05] It's a pre-order. [15:05] At least, acc. to Amazon [15:05] but it wasn't earth shattering at all (the web one) [15:05] link? [15:06] http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920013716.do [15:07] hmm, the sample looks pretty good [15:07] http://cdn.oreilly.com/oreilly/booksamplers/9781449394639_sampler.pdf [15:08] Beat me to the punch. ;) [15:08] yea, reading through it [15:08] i would wait until i need to make a complicated mobile interface [15:08] I'm getting the impression this is more high-level than you think [15:09] low level than I thought [15:09] looks rather generic "here's how you'd design an app for mobile" [15:09] yea, but very detailed [15:09] Is there an Android design document ou tthere? [15:10] yes [15:11] http://stepto.bandcamp.com/releases [15:11] http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/ui_guidelines/index.html [15:11] I have never thought of using Bandcamp to release an audio book, but why not. :) [15:12] http://twitter.com/?photo_id=1#!/mpirnat/status/133924152699654145/photo/1 lol [15:12] anyway, I think urge has been resisted. If i did a mobile app in itself I'd check it out I think [15:12] snap-l: i tweeted that android UI link 2 days ago. do you not read all my tweets? [15:12] brousch: You tweet? [15:12] but I'm shooting for more responsive design than full UI for bookie mobile use [15:13] have to go native for great responsiveness [15:14] yea, ColonelPanic001 and I had a great convo about some great uses for a native bookie app [15:14] but until I hire a mobile team, meh...share as much as possible [15:16] http://techcrunch.com/2011/11/08/amazons-kindle-cloud-reader-now-available-for-firefox-too/ [15:18] nice, yay that rocks [15:21] the crazy thing is that bzr+lp is nicer than git+github in many ways still. [15:24] yea, I hear the people that use the dev patterns LP is built for love it [15:24] but I've just never really been in that use case [15:25] I'd offer to do an android app, but I don't want to offer and never get around to it [15:27] <_stink_> yeah, like that guy who said he'd do the firefox extension [15:27] yeah [15:54] Hmm. Cloud Reader on FF doesn't show all the books that should be in my cloud [15:54] like, the book I'm currently reading [15:55] did you buy it from amazon? [15:55] I wonder if that book came pre-loaded on the Android app [15:55] or load it via pdf/etc? [15:55] or if I downloaded it pre-Kindle and the Android app simply found it and absorbed it. [15:56] No, I'm not expecting yesterday's acquisition of howto vim to appear there, though it would be nice if I could upload it [15:57] but I was reading Treasure Island, which I don't remember ever downloading, but which has always existed in my Kindle library on my phone.... [15:57] I'm sure it's probably my error, not theirs [15:57] my purchased kindle books are there [15:59] speaking of Learning vi and Vim... did you know there's a cw command that is like s for an entire word? (Of course *you* did... :-p) [16:00] how many keystrokes I could have been saving all these years [16:01] My Kobo came with about 100 PD books [16:01] I've always replaced a word by doing xxxxxs [16:03] Wolfger: i also have treasure island, so i would guess it came in automatically on one of the platforms [16:05] you terminal freaks see this? http://onethingwell.org/post/12514672222/tyrs [16:13] brousch: that's kind of nice, actually [16:13] thanks [16:16] wtf? askubuntu questions expire and disappear? [16:22] brousch: I used twitvim for a long time [16:22] kind of miss it actually [16:23] Wolfger: I need to test that. Supposedly I can email the pdf of my orielly purchase to my kindle account and it'll load on my kindle [16:23] I need to test if it shows on read.amazon.com and such [16:23] only problem is that I think it converts it to mobi, so might break the look [16:23] lol at cw [16:24] Wolfger: wait until you read about ci" [16:32] jrwren: which one? [16:32] jrwren: if it's abandoned we usually close it [16:32] but that doesn't delete it [16:32] it'd have to be pretty worthless to be deleted [16:49] jrwren: Was it buried? [16:53] rick_h: I downloaded my O'Reilly book in .mobi format (and .pdf too), so that shouldn't be a problem. [16:53] Wolfger: ah cool [16:53] it was about usbip [16:53] let me know if it shows up then [16:54] a guy emailed me this morning asking if I had a resolution. [16:54] I do not. [16:54] it should be open item. [16:54] what is buried mean? [16:54] it doesn't even show as a question I asked. I'm amazed it was removed from that list [16:59] Hmm, the new Nook touch looks Niiiiiice [16:59] Nook tablet [16:59] Yeah, the tablet looks good too [16:59] oh, you mean the eink touch? [16:59] http://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/nook-simple-touch-barnes-noble/1102344735 [17:00] Yeah, $99 [17:00] Going to have to bring some samples to BN to see how it work. [17:00] cool [17:02] bah, B&W is for old people [17:02] looks decent for $100 [17:02] b&w is plenty good for reading [17:03] jrwren: you can't improve the question in any way whatsoever? [17:03] Honestly, if it hooks to my fucking wifi, it's worth it [17:03] jcastro: not really. [17:03] maybe I could link to a bug a filed in LP [17:05] anything would help [17:24] smoser: you coming to mug tonight? [17:50] Man [17:50] Stupid network [17:50] that good eh? [17:51] Conked out again [17:51] wonder if they're doing something [17:53] http://publicdomainreview.org/2011/09/18/betty-boop-minnie-the-moocher-1932/ [18:03] Also: http://publicdomainreview.org/2011/10/15/vd-is-for-everybody-1969/ [18:33] jcastro: Got the Time Machine DVD in my hot little hands. [18:38] OOOH. [18:39] It has the movies without audience sound. :) [18:40] why are your hands hot? [18:40] Because this is awesome [18:45] 1960 or 2002 version? [18:46] 2011 version [18:46] brousch: Try harder, you're not getting my goat that easy. [18:47] apparently i have no idea what you are talking about [18:48] oh, this is some rush thing [18:49] brousch: Yes. [18:51] snap-l: I just realized you said Time Machine.... for some reason I initially thought you said Hot Tub Time Machine, and couldn't begin to understand why you were excited about that. Or even willing to admit it. [18:51] Wolfger: I'm glad you had to think about it. :) [18:51] Wolfger: i thought he was really into old sci fi [18:52] like maybe it just came out on DVD [18:52] Yeah, when somebody says "DVD", I'm thinking "movie" not "music" [18:52] with an extra 30 seconds of morlocks [18:52] LOL [18:52] more locks [18:52] "Now with more 'locks!" [18:52] ;-) [18:53] snap-l: getting closer now? [18:53] Barely. [18:53] A for effort, though [18:57] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Machine_Tour <- just to thoroughly slay the equiine [18:57] s/ii/i/ [18:57] snap-l and his hot Rush Time Machine [18:59] does it bother you that when i see Rush i think Limbaugh? [19:00] Hugely [19:00] I remember my dad saying that West Michigan had Rush listening parties [19:00] was hugely bummed when I realized they were meaning that blowhard. [19:00] i'm not a copyhead, but many of the other people here are [19:00] Dittohead [19:01] Rush Limbaugh is cut from the same cloth as Howard Stern [19:01] Except instead of glorifying porn stars, he glorifies idiocy. :) [19:02] and rash behaviour [19:02] Stern's far better [19:02] Stern is an artist [19:02] He knows what buttons to push [19:03] well simply from the perspective of what he glorifies, he's far better [19:03] they are both top-notch button pushers [19:22] You know when something is advertised as "save $500" and they don't tell you the sale price, it's going to be a lot more than $500 *after* the discount... [19:23] Yeah [19:23] My favorite are the ones where it's "save up to $500" [19:25] "the more you buy, the more you save!" [19:25] no... the more I buy, the more I spend [19:25] I save most by buying nothing. [19:28] Wolfger: i can tell you're not a woman [19:29] because what would IRC be without sexist generalizations [19:29] dzho: zing! [19:30] dzho: i shudder to think about it [19:31] I might enjoy that new paradigm, personally :) [19:33] dzho: when a generalization is statistically accurate, is it still "wrong"? [19:33] and I say that as a man whose wife would test as "not a woman" by brousch's standard... [19:35] i didn't say that all women think that way, only than no man does [19:35] <_stink_> too late, you're painted as a misogynist. [19:36] hm, wait, i guess i did say that [20:06] I wonder if Dutch Boy has a color for mysoginist [20:06] and I wonder if I have a spell checker. [20:07] i'm sure it's some shade of pink [20:07] maybe salmon, a fishy sort of pink [20:13] dusty rose [21:07] http://www.blendernation.com/2011/11/08/cute-overload-my-little-ponies/ [21:12] snap-l: are you a brony? [21:15] hell no [21:37] Will there come a day when i won't have to click OK for someone because they accidentally clicked the D: and there's no disk in the drive? [21:40] <_stink_> heh [21:40] http://www.metalinjection.net/av/every-song-slayer-reign-in-blood-same-time [21:40] <_stink_> i read that D: as an emoticon at first [21:43] sounds like grindcore [21:44] Yeah, although it sounds better than most of the dryer-fucking industrial I've heard out there. [21:45] hah [23:34] rick_h, not coming to mug? no snap-l either ? [23:36] speak of the devil. snap-l arrives. [23:40] smoser: yea, just running late today. Babysitter since the wife had stuff as well [23:40] \ [23:45] Yeah, I was running a littlelate aswell [23:50] traffic sucked