[00:12] <rick_h> cool
[00:12] <rick_h> patches welcome in the flesh
[00:24] <Wolfger> ok, I finally gave in and bought an O'Reilly DotD
[00:25] <Wolfger> now I must learn more than just rudimentary vim skills
[00:26]  * Wolfger pokes ColonelPanic001 until he too buys the ebook
[00:34] <rick_h> hah, peer pressure
[00:34] <rick_h> I used to have one, must have given it away I guess
[00:35] <rick_h> can't find it now
[00:35] <_stink_> "patches welcome in the flesh"
[00:35] <_stink_> +1 for context necessary
[00:37] <snap-l> heh
[00:49] <rick_h> so, if I wanted to do a conditional xorg.conf file...what I just create my own init script and make it before lightdm?
[00:49] <rick_h> would I hack the init script for lightdm itself?
[00:56] <jcastro> rick_h: ask on AU, the lightdm author follows the tag
[00:56] <rick_h> jcastro: cool, thanks
[02:11] <rick_h> hah, sitting at the bar, watching the game, with irc on the usb display
[02:11] <rick_h> I think I've officially gone too far
[02:27] <_stink_> any funny looks?
[02:28] <rick_h> got asked if it was a work laptop or a fantasy football laptop
[02:28] <rick_h> other that than, too buried in the laptop and the game to people watch
[02:28] <rick_h> man, I just don't know how things startup like I used to
[02:28] <_stink_> they're all looking at you!
[02:28] <rick_h> ahhhhh!
[02:57] <rick_h> jcastro: http://blog.mitechie.com/2011/11/07/mutli-monitor-on-the-go-displaylink-usb-monitor/
[03:00] <snap-l> rick_h: Awesome that you got iy working.
[03:00] <rick_h> snap-l: yea, got some bugs, but still pretty sweet
[03:00] <rick_h> I'll bring it tomorrow to show
[03:00] <rick_h> with some script/tweaking should be able to get over most of it I think
[03:00] <snap-l> Tomorrow might not be the best, since we're in the cramped room again
[03:00] <rick_h> ah, sucky
[03:01] <rick_h> well CHC then
[03:01] <snap-l> yeah, that would be sweet
[03:19] <rick_h> http://twitter.com/#!/carlfish/status/133734043509456896 lol
[03:49] <jrwren> rick_h: you are working for canonical? wtf?
[03:49] <jrwren> congrats?
[03:52] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, start for the launchpad team next week
[03:52] <rick_h> http://blog.mitechie.com/2011/10/19/been-a-good-summer-fitness-woodworking-and-new-job-coming-soon/
[12:46] <snap-l> Reminder that MUG is tonight at 6:30pm.
[12:46] <snap-l> lmorchard: ^^
[12:58] <Wolfger> morning
[12:59] <brousch> you are correct
[12:59] <Wolfger> of course I am
[13:02] <brousch> running kde3?
[13:02] <brousch> trinity?
[13:03] <Wolfger> not yet
[13:03] <Wolfger> Tried to apt-get trinity, but no package found
[13:03] <Wolfger> and I've been lazy
[13:04] <Wolfger> actually, I looked at Linux Mint 12, and I think I might try that too...
[13:05] <brousch> nearly every person i know that has tried mint dumped it within 6 months
[13:05] <brousch> usually because an update breaks it
[13:05] <Wolfger> heh
[13:05] <brousch> that includes me
[13:05] <Wolfger> so... just like Gentoo. I should be good.
[13:05] <Wolfger> :-D
[13:06] <brousch> just sayin, make sure you go in with backups
[13:06] <Wolfger> But the big Mint news now is MATE. They are working with a fork of Gnome 2 that can be installed along side Gnome 3
[13:06] <Wolfger> not that I'm a huge Gnome 2 fan, but it'll be big news for some people
[13:07] <snap-l> Y'know, I'm over Gnome 2
[13:08] <Wolfger> at this point, I don't need no stinking backups. I've kept my media on a separate partition for years, and Win 7 has been my primary OS ever since I got a laptop. :-p
[13:08] <brousch> Wolfger: that sounds sustainable
[13:08] <snap-l> I think jcastro was right. In a year's time, people won't care
[13:08] <snap-l> Those that actualy give Unity a chance.
[13:08] <brousch> gnome shell is good enough
[13:08] <Wolfger> snap-l: just like people don't care about KDE3?
[13:09] <snap-l> Well, I don't care about KDE3
[13:09] <snap-l> or KDE? for that matter. ;)
[13:09] <brousch> i care about it a little bit
[13:09] <snap-l> (I'm teasing. I care that people continue to want to use it and support it)
[13:10] <Wolfger> what's really borked, though, is the Ubuntu location of the buttons, and the auto-hidey menu bar at the top of the screen rather than on the app window
[13:10] <Wolfger> those, honestly, make Ubuntu a pain in the ass to use, rather than a pleasure
[13:10] <snap-l> Wolfger: That's been a bit rough
[13:10] <snap-l> but I've gotten used to it
[13:11] <brousch> gnome shell has normal menus
[13:11] <brousch> and the close button on the right
[13:11] <Wolfger> it's something you can get used to if you spend all (or even most) of your time in Ubuntu, but much of the world still has to use Windows on a daily basis, for work if nothing else. That makes it much harder to "get used to it"
[13:12] <Wolfger> how do you get gnome shell? I tried to apt-get that too, but said it couldn't find it
[13:12] <brousch> but there's no minimize, which annoys me sometimes
[13:12] <brousch> sudo apt-get install gnome-shell (on 11.10)
[13:12] <Wolfger> I can live without minimize pretty easily
[13:12] <Wolfger> ah, ok. I'm still on 11.04
[13:12] <brousch> unity is nicer on 11.10 too
[13:13] <brousch> you should upgrade, then you can install unity and gnome shell and switch between them
[13:13] <snap-l> I haven't used Gnome Shell in a while
[13:13] <snap-l> but it feels like it's too radical for my tastes.
[13:13] <brousch> i actually got used to the buttons on the left, so it being back on the right is kind of annoying to me
[13:14] <brousch> snap-l: it's basically the same level of strangeness as unity
[13:14] <snap-l> I minimize like a mother.
[13:14] <Wolfger> tonight's task list is growing.... Upgrade to 11.10, install and try gnome-shell, install and try Trinity, read vim book and learn, read python book and/or work on python app and learn...
[13:14] <brousch> maybe less strangeness compared to gnome2
[13:14] <brousch> Wolfger: do you live in alaska?
[13:14] <brousch> that's a long night
[13:15] <snap-l> Yeah, that's not something you can finish in a night. :)
[13:15] <snap-l> Unless you can dilate time.
[13:15] <Wolfger> anyhow, this is the article that got me thinking about Mint: http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2011/11/linux-mint-12-lisa-to-come-with.html
[13:15] <snap-l> Or you're Cher and you can TURN BACK TIME...
[13:15]  * snap-l waits for the death threats.
[13:16] <brousch> Wolfger: i saw that, but i don't think it's sustainable
[13:16] <Wolfger> snap-l: define "finish". I'm not aiming to read two books cover-to-cover, that's for sure
[13:16] <brousch> the gnome2 part anyway
[13:17] <Wolfger> MGSE looks a lot sexier than Unity
[13:18] <Wolfger> also, /me threatens to kill snap-l for the attempt at infecting me with a Cher earworm
[13:22] <Wolfger> http://www.freep.com/article/20111108/COL41/111080311/Mark-W-Smith-Google-goes-to-the-Detroit-Zoo
[13:23] <brousch> hey, i was just there like a month ago!
[13:23] <brousch> it was a lot more crowded
[13:23] <snap-l> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/11/can-dram-replace-hard-drives-and-ssds-ramcloud-creators-say-yes.ars <- I believe RAMDISKS are coming back
[13:48] <brousch> my wife asked for this for xmas. wtf is with the prices? http://www.amazon.com/Piano-Museum-Yiruma/dp/B000657KI4
[13:49] <ColonelPanic001> out of print?
[13:52] <brousch> it's frickin music. sell me the mp3s
[13:53] <brousch> domn fools. hm, should i buy it new for $140 or download it from a file sharing site?
[13:58] <snap-l> brousch: Check around
[13:58] <brousch> i found it used for $64
[13:58] <snap-l> Amazon gets nuts with sellers thinking that something like E. Power Biggs isn't avaiable via Amazon
[13:58] <snap-l> brousch: Check eBay
[13:59] <snap-l> I found the same thing with the Wendy Carlos Switched on Box Set
[13:59] <snap-l> though those prices get outrageous as well
[14:00] <snap-l> Also check to see if there's any used CD shops that might have it
[14:00] <snap-l> Assuming any still exist in your area.
[14:01]  * snap-l also notes that there's several Korean stores by him
[14:01] <brousch> $24 on ebay, getting better
[14:01] <snap-l> Is that Buy It Now, or last bid?
[14:01] <snap-l> if it's a bid, expect it to go higher.
[14:01] <brousch> bah, $25 + $20 shipping from tokyo
[14:01] <brousch> no bids yet
[14:02] <snap-l> OK, that's no deal
[14:02] <snap-l> I'd at least watch it
[14:02] <brousch> silly
[14:02] <snap-l> but if $70+ is the asking rate, expect it to go around $40 at least
[14:02] <snap-l> This begs the root of the question: Why is she asking for Korean piano music? :)
[14:03] <snap-l> Sounds like it's new-agey stuff
[14:05] <brousch> i have no idea
[14:05] <snap-l> I blame NPR.
[14:06] <brousch> that is possible
[14:06] <ColonelPanic001> hay i listen to npr in the mornings
[14:06] <ColonelPanic001> I take personal offense to you expressing a polite but differing thought.
[14:07] <snap-l> Ah, OK, I think I know who this is
[14:07] <snap-l> I think he did the soundtrack for the OST "Puppy Dung"
[14:07] <snap-l> I remember hearing about this
[14:07] <brousch> what is ost?
[14:07] <snap-l> (just checked Ubuntu One Music Store)
[14:08] <snap-l> Original Soundtrack
[14:08] <ColonelPanic001> overall shitty time
[14:08] <snap-l> Sorry, was thinking OVA. ;)
[14:08] <brousch> i can buy puppy dung on itunes
[14:08] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_video_animation
[14:10] <brousch> fml, he has stuff on the twilight soundtrack
[14:11] <brousch> thank gawd for russians
[14:12] <snap-l> Yeah, just realized that as well
[14:13] <snap-l> I was hoping there might have been a re-release.
[14:14] <brousch> i can't remember the last time i went to the torrents or p2p sites for something
[14:15] <snap-l> http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/Kendra_Springer <- Only New-agey piano you need.
[14:18] <brousch> it has a violin too
[14:18] <brousch> the piano museum
[14:20] <snap-l> http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/602998 <- Violin and Piano.
[14:20] <brousch> i'm trying to wake up
[14:23] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiZAheU3fkA
[14:23] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKXSpwvVrsU&feature=related
[14:24] <snap-l> http://www.readwriteweb.com/enterprise/2011/11/microsoft-gives-up-on-competit.php <- Bwahahaha
[14:26] <Wolfger> very sad
[14:28] <Wolfger> s/sad/pathetic/
[14:28] <jrwren> rick_h: congrats. I hope you somehow crush github :)
[14:28] <snap-l> I don't hope that at all
[14:29] <snap-l> I think choice is great. FOr some, that's github, others sourceforge
[14:29] <jrwren> by crush, I mean compete.
[14:29] <jrwren> i hope LP becomes a leader again, instead of the butt end of jokes.
[14:29] <snap-l> but I hope Launchpad makes me have to think again about where to host code. :)
[14:29] <jrwren> exactly.
[14:31] <Wolfger> s/Launchpad/Gitpad/  XD
[14:42] <snap-l> rick_h: ttp://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596802301.do?imm_mid=077dd4&cmp=em-orm-pr-art-of-readable-code
[14:43] <snap-l> Not so much a "hey, get this", as it is a "hey, someone else thinks readable code is nifty too"
[14:49] <rick_h> brousch: lol, I like that you're saying Gnome Shell is good, but it landed in debian and my first two blog posts I saw this morning were rants against it
[14:50] <rick_h> jrwren: thanks, it's going to be interesting. At least the team knows they've got some work to do. I'm looking forward to trying to help for sure
[14:51] <brousch> it is almost as different from gnome2 as unity is, so those who are just trying it will whine
[14:51] <rick_h> brousch: yea, just funny to read the scrollback after catching up on RSS early this morning
[14:54] <rick_h> snap-l: thanks for the book link
[14:54] <rick_h> that's sweet timing
[14:54] <rick_h> wish I had it before my talk so I could mention it/plug it perhaps
[14:54] <rick_h> but cool
[14:55] <rick_h> wow, book is 1/2 the price on kindle format
[14:55] <rick_h> maybe this ebook stuff is finally making sense
[14:56] <snap-l> Yeah, O'reilly gets it
[14:57] <rick_h> well it's $35 for paper, $27 for ebook on oreilly
[14:57] <rick_h> kindle book is $15
[14:57] <snap-l> Oh
[14:57] <snap-l> And O'Reilly has coupons. ;)
[14:57] <snap-l> so you can usually get it for $14
[14:57] <rick_h> definitely, still, not often in the tech books to see ebook 1/2 of paper
[14:58] <snap-l> again, O'reilly gets it. :)
[14:58] <snap-l> as opposed to Wiley, and MK
[14:59] <snap-l> http://www.elsevierdirect.com/product.jsp?isbn=9780123819765
[15:00] <snap-l> Sorry, but if your eBook is as much as your softcover, I'll buy the softcover
[15:00] <snap-l> at least that has resale value should I decide to part with it.
[15:00] <snap-l> I'm not paying a premium for bits.
[15:00] <brousch> i think the ebook should come free if you buy a dead tree version
[15:01] <snap-l> I like the way Apress does their book -> ebook pgrade
[15:01] <snap-l> $10 to upgrade
[15:01] <rick_h> yea
[15:01] <brousch> that seems reasonable
[15:02] <snap-l> so even if you get an illicit copy, and want to make it legal, it's $10
[15:02] <brousch> illicit copy?
[15:02] <brousch> of a dead tree book?
[15:02] <snap-l> Well, say you borrow a friend's book. ;)
[15:03] <snap-l> and then "upgrade" it. ;)
[15:03] <rick_h> man, I'm tempted by the ODotD today
[15:03] <snap-l> or find a site with the text on it
[15:03] <rick_h> but no reviews on amazon
[15:03] <rick_h> and a pricey book
[15:03] <snap-l> rick_h: Yea, that's a bt much
[15:04] <rick_h> I'd feel better if I could find some good reviews
[15:04] <rick_h> but nadda
[15:04] <snap-l> I think it's an upgrade of a previous book, no?
[15:04] <rick_h> there's some other interface books
[15:05] <rick_h> but I think this is rev 1 of this mobile one
[15:05] <snap-l> Ah, OK
[15:05] <rick_h> yea, I've got a couple like designing web interfaces and such
[15:05] <snap-l> It's a pre-order.
[15:05] <snap-l> At least, acc. to Amazon
[15:05] <rick_h> but it wasn't earth shattering at all (the web one)
[15:05] <brousch> link?
[15:06] <snap-l> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920013716.do
[15:07] <rick_h> hmm, the sample looks pretty good
[15:07] <snap-l> http://cdn.oreilly.com/oreilly/booksamplers/9781449394639_sampler.pdf
[15:08] <snap-l> Beat me to the punch. ;)
[15:08] <rick_h> yea, reading through it
[15:08] <brousch> i would wait until i need to make a complicated mobile interface
[15:08] <snap-l> I'm getting the impression this is more high-level than you think
[15:09] <rick_h> low level than I thought
[15:09] <snap-l> looks rather generic "here's how you'd design an app for mobile"
[15:09] <rick_h> yea, but very detailed
[15:09] <snap-l> Is there an Android design document ou tthere?
[15:10] <brousch> yes
[15:11] <snap-l> http://stepto.bandcamp.com/releases
[15:11] <brousch> http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/ui_guidelines/index.html
[15:11] <snap-l> I have never thought of using Bandcamp to release an audio book, but why not. :)
[15:12] <rick_h> http://twitter.com/?photo_id=1#!/mpirnat/status/133924152699654145/photo/1 lol
[15:12] <rick_h> anyway, I think urge has been resisted. If i did a mobile app in itself I'd check it out I think
[15:12] <brousch> snap-l: i tweeted that android UI link 2 days ago. do you not read all my tweets?
[15:12] <snap-l> brousch: You tweet?
[15:12] <rick_h> but I'm shooting for more responsive design than full UI for bookie mobile use
[15:13] <brousch> have to go native for great responsiveness
[15:14] <rick_h> yea, ColonelPanic001 and I had a great convo about some great uses for a native bookie app
[15:14] <rick_h> but until I hire a mobile team, meh...share as much as possible
[15:16] <rick_h> http://techcrunch.com/2011/11/08/amazons-kindle-cloud-reader-now-available-for-firefox-too/
[15:18] <rick_h> nice, yay that rocks
[15:21] <jrwren> the crazy thing is that bzr+lp is nicer than git+github in many ways still.
[15:24] <rick_h> yea, I hear the people that use the dev patterns LP is built for love it
[15:24] <rick_h> but I've just never really been in that use case
[15:25] <ColonelPanic001> I'd offer to do an android app, but I don't want to offer and never get around to it
[15:27] <_stink_> yeah, like that guy who said he'd do the firefox extension
[15:27] <ColonelPanic001> yeah
[15:54] <Wolfger> Hmm. Cloud Reader on FF doesn't show all the books that should be in my cloud
[15:54] <Wolfger> like, the book I'm currently reading
[15:55] <rick_h> did you buy it from amazon?
[15:55] <Wolfger> I wonder if that book came pre-loaded on the Android app
[15:55] <rick_h> or load it via pdf/etc?
[15:55] <Wolfger> or if I downloaded it pre-Kindle and the Android app simply found it and absorbed it.
[15:56] <Wolfger> No, I'm not expecting yesterday's acquisition of howto vim to appear there, though it would be nice if I could upload it
[15:57] <Wolfger> but I was reading Treasure Island, which I don't remember ever downloading, but which has always existed in my Kindle library on my phone....
 I'm sure it's probably my error, not theirs
[15:57] <Wolfger> my purchased kindle books are there
[15:59] <Wolfger> speaking of Learning vi and Vim... did you know there's a cw command that is like s for an entire word? (Of course *you* did... :-p)
[16:00] <Wolfger> how many keystrokes I could have been saving all these years
[16:01] <snap-l> My Kobo came with about 100 PD books
[16:01] <Wolfger> I've always replaced a word by doing xxxxxs
[16:03] <brousch> Wolfger: i also have treasure island, so i would guess it came in automatically on one of the platforms
[16:05] <brousch> you terminal freaks see this? http://onethingwell.org/post/12514672222/tyrs
[16:13] <ColonelPanic001> brousch: that's kind of nice, actually
[16:13] <ColonelPanic001> thanks
[16:16] <jrwren> wtf? askubuntu questions expire and disappear?
[16:22] <rick_h> brousch: I used twitvim for a long time
[16:22] <rick_h> kind of miss it actually
[16:23] <rick_h> Wolfger: I need to test that. Supposedly I can email the pdf of my orielly purchase to my kindle account and it'll load on my kindle
[16:23] <rick_h> I need to test if it shows on read.amazon.com and such
[16:23] <rick_h> only problem is that I think it converts it to mobi, so might break the look
[16:23] <rick_h> lol at cw
[16:24] <rick_h> Wolfger: wait until you read about ci"
[16:32] <jcastro> jrwren: which one?
[16:32] <jcastro> jrwren: if it's abandoned we usually close it
[16:32] <jcastro> but that doesn't delete it
[16:32] <jcastro> it'd have to be pretty worthless to be deleted
[16:49] <snap-l> jrwren: Was it buried?
[16:53] <Wolfger> rick_h: I downloaded my O'Reilly book in .mobi format (and .pdf too), so that shouldn't be a problem.
[16:53] <rick_h> Wolfger: ah cool
[16:53] <jrwren> it was about usbip
[16:53] <rick_h> let me know if it shows up then
[16:54] <jrwren> a guy emailed me this morning asking if I had a resolution.
[16:54] <jrwren> I do not.
[16:54] <jrwren> it should be open item.
[16:54] <jrwren> what is buried mean?
[16:54] <jrwren> it doesn't even show as a question I asked. I'm amazed it was removed from that list
[16:59] <snap-l> Hmm, the new Nook touch looks Niiiiiice
[16:59] <rick_h> Nook tablet
[16:59] <snap-l> Yeah, the tablet looks good too
[16:59] <rick_h> oh, you mean the eink touch?
[16:59] <snap-l> http://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/nook-simple-touch-barnes-noble/1102344735
[17:00] <snap-l> Yeah, $99
[17:00] <snap-l> Going to have to bring some samples to BN to see how it work.
[17:00] <rick_h> cool
[17:02] <brousch> bah, B&W is for old people
[17:02] <ColonelPanic001> looks decent for $100
[17:02] <ColonelPanic001> b&w is plenty good for reading
[17:03] <jcastro> jrwren: you can't improve the question in any way whatsoever?
[17:03] <snap-l> Honestly, if it hooks to my fucking wifi, it's worth it
[17:03] <jrwren> jcastro: not really.
[17:03] <jrwren> maybe I could link to a bug a filed in LP
[17:05] <jcastro> anything would help
[17:24] <rick_h> smoser: you coming to mug tonight?
[17:50] <snap-l> Man
[17:50] <snap-l> Stupid network
[17:50] <rick_h> that good eh?
[17:51] <snap-l> Conked out again
[17:51] <snap-l> wonder if they're doing something
[17:53] <snap-l> http://publicdomainreview.org/2011/09/18/betty-boop-minnie-the-moocher-1932/
[18:03] <snap-l> Also: http://publicdomainreview.org/2011/10/15/vd-is-for-everybody-1969/
[18:33] <snap-l> jcastro: Got the Time Machine DVD in my hot little hands.
[18:38] <jcastro> OOOH.
[18:39] <snap-l> It has the movies without audience sound. :)
[18:40] <brousch> why are your hands hot?
[18:40] <snap-l> Because this is awesome
[18:45] <brousch> 1960 or 2002 version?
[18:46] <snap-l> 2011 version
[18:46] <snap-l> brousch: Try harder, you're not getting my goat that easy.
[18:47] <brousch> apparently i have no idea what you are talking about
[18:48] <brousch> oh, this is some rush thing
[18:49] <snap-l> brousch: Yes.
[18:51] <Wolfger> snap-l: I just realized you said Time Machine.... for some reason I initially thought you said Hot Tub Time Machine, and couldn't begin to understand why you were excited about that. Or even willing to admit it.
[18:51] <snap-l> Wolfger: I'm glad you had to think about it. :)
[18:51] <brousch> Wolfger: i thought he was really into old sci fi
[18:52] <brousch> like maybe it just came out on DVD
[18:52] <Wolfger> Yeah, when somebody says "DVD", I'm thinking "movie" not "music"
[18:52] <brousch> with an extra 30 seconds of morlocks
[18:52] <Wolfger> LOL
[18:52] <Wolfger> more locks
[18:52] <Wolfger> "Now with more 'locks!"
[18:52] <Wolfger> ;-)
[18:53] <brousch> snap-l: getting closer now?
[18:53] <snap-l> Barely.
[18:53] <snap-l> A for effort, though
[18:57] <dzho> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Machine_Tour <- just to thoroughly slay the equiine
[18:57] <dzho> s/ii/i/
[18:57] <Wolfger> snap-l and his hot Rush Time Machine
[18:59] <brousch> does it bother you that when i see Rush i think Limbaugh?
[19:00] <snap-l> Hugely
[19:00] <snap-l> I remember my dad saying that West Michigan had Rush listening parties
[19:00] <snap-l> was hugely bummed when I realized they were meaning that blowhard.
[19:00] <brousch> i'm not a copyhead, but many of the other people here are
[19:00] <snap-l> Dittohead
[19:01] <snap-l> Rush Limbaugh is cut from the same cloth as Howard Stern
[19:01] <snap-l> Except instead of glorifying porn stars, he glorifies idiocy. :)
[19:02] <snap-l> and rash behaviour
[19:02] <Wolfger> Stern's far better
[19:02] <snap-l> Stern is an artist
[19:02] <snap-l> He knows what buttons to push
[19:03] <Wolfger> well simply from the perspective of what he glorifies, he's far better
[19:03] <Wolfger> they are both top-notch button pushers
[19:22] <Wolfger> You know when something is advertised as "save $500" and they don't tell you the sale price, it's going to be a lot more than $500 *after* the discount...
[19:23] <snap-l> Yeah
[19:23] <snap-l> My favorite are the ones where it's "save up to $500"
[19:25] <Wolfger> "the more you buy, the more you save!"
[19:25] <Wolfger> no... the more I buy, the more I spend
[19:25] <Wolfger> I save most by buying nothing.
[19:28] <brousch> Wolfger: i can tell you're not a woman
[19:29] <dzho> because what would IRC be without sexist generalizations
[19:29] <greg-g> dzho: zing!
[19:30] <brousch> dzho: i shudder to think about it
[19:31] <greg-g> I might enjoy that new paradigm, personally :)
[19:33] <Wolfger> dzho: when a generalization is statistically accurate, is it still "wrong"?
[19:33] <Wolfger> and I say that as a man whose wife would test as "not a woman" by brousch's standard...
[19:35] <brousch> i didn't say that all women think that way, only than no man does
[19:35] <_stink_> too late, you're painted as a misogynist.
[19:36] <brousch> hm, wait, i guess i did say that
[20:06] <snap-l> I wonder if Dutch Boy has a color for mysoginist
[20:06] <snap-l> and I wonder if I have a spell checker.
[20:07] <brousch> i'm sure it's some shade of pink
[20:07] <brousch> maybe salmon, a fishy sort of pink
[20:13] <dzho> dusty rose
[21:07] <snap-l> http://www.blendernation.com/2011/11/08/cute-overload-my-little-ponies/
[21:12] <brousch> snap-l: are you a brony?
[21:15] <snap-l> hell no
[21:37] <brousch> Will there come a day when i won't have to click OK for someone because they accidentally clicked the D: and there's no disk in the drive?
[21:40] <_stink_> heh
[21:40] <snap-l> http://www.metalinjection.net/av/every-song-slayer-reign-in-blood-same-time
[21:40] <_stink_> i read that D: as an emoticon at first
[21:43] <ColonelPanic001> sounds like grindcore
[21:44] <snap-l> Yeah, although it sounds better than most of the dryer-fucking industrial I've heard out there.
[21:45] <ColonelPanic001> hah
[23:34] <smoser> rick_h, not coming to mug? no snap-l either ?
[23:36] <smoser> speak of the devil. snap-l arrives.
[23:40] <rick_h> smoser: yea, just running late today. Babysitter since the wife had stuff as well
[23:40] <widox> \
[23:45] <snap-l> Yeah, I was running a littlelate aswell
[23:50] <waldo323> traffic sucked