| madnick | ochosi: should i make an assignee list and list myself? | 00:13 |
|---|---|---|
| ochosi | madnick: yup | 00:44 |
| madnick | gah i cant seem to do it right :P | 00:52 |
| madnick | there we go! :P | 00:53 |
| knome | heh | 00:54 |
| knome | i must say, the ubuntu wiki is VERY confusing when you try to organize things cleanly :((( | 00:55 |
| knome | bbl | 00:55 |
| knome | see you | 00:56 |
| madnick | cya | 00:56 |
| ochosi | unfortunately true... | 01:03 |
| ochosi | night everyone | 01:27 |
| madnick | night :) | 01:30 |
| GridCube | ochosi: can i get a link to the ristretto git? | 14:53 |
| mr_pouit | GridCube: git clone git://git.xfce.org/apps/ristretto, or you can download http://archive.xfce.org/src/apps/ristretto/0.3/ristretto-0.3.0.tar.bz2 (this is almost what's in git) | 15:40 |
| GridCube | :) thanks | 15:43 |
| nikolam | I experience radeon driver bug on 10.04 LTS amd64, console spitting errors. How to report it? | 20:26 |
| nikolam | Hardware amd690g x1250 | 20:27 |
| nikolam | Or maybe there is no point reporting it since its old kernel and I have no idea quite how to reproduce? | 20:28 |
| scott-work | i don't remember which package it is, but is there a way to make the screensaver that xubuntu uses prettier? | 22:23 |
| micahg | we use xscreensaver | 22:23 |
| scott-work | that is what i thought, but wasn't sure | 22:24 |
| ochosi | scott-work: you can only edit the source. in fact i was discussing that with madnick | 22:27 |
| micahg | there are many choices for what's available | 22:28 |
| ochosi | micahg: what do you mean exactly? | 22:29 |
| micahg | we ship many screensavers in the xscreensaver package | 22:29 |
| ochosi | oh, did you really mean screensaver? sry, i read "lockscreen"... | 22:29 |
| ochosi | dunno why, guess it's getting late for me... | 22:30 |
| scott-work | aye, i meant "lockscreen" | 22:30 |
| ochosi | hah | 22:30 |
| ochosi | ok, so what i said was fine then ;) | 22:30 |
| ochosi | scott-work: we could cooperate on that if you're interested. i would advocate a rather generic improvement anyway (nothing xubuntu-specific with logo etc) | 22:31 |
| scott-work | i did find a patch that allowed themeing, don't know that it was lockscreen specific or not | 22:32 |
| scott-work | ochosi: i would love too, but i worry about the work load already for me this cycle | 22:32 |
| scott-work | i imagine that our (ubuntu studio) transition to using xubuntus' theme, UI, icons, et al will fall on me as well | 22:33 |
| scott-work | and i have enough other tasks already | 22:33 |
| ochosi | i see | 22:33 |
| ochosi | if you need help with theme icons etc let me know | 22:33 |
| ochosi | i'm usually taking care of that in xubuntu | 22:33 |
| scott-work | ochosi: hehe, i expect to bug you about it ;) | 22:33 |
| ochosi | fine :) | 22:34 |
| scott-work | i want to get several other work items done across a few blueprints first, which may take a couple of weeks unfortunately | 22:34 |
| ochosi | btw, i was in fact working with cory kontros during the last cycle on a recoloring of greybird to ubuntu-studio colors | 22:34 |
| scott-work | ochosi: ooooh, interesting | 22:34 |
| scott-work | do you have a screen shot? | 22:34 |
| ochosi | well, in fact i was doing the work ;) but he got seemingly less and less interested, so the project fell asleep | 22:34 |
| scott-work | ochosi: would you also consider doing a grey scale of the ubuntu studio cof? | 22:34 |
| ochosi | (and i had a lot of other stuff to do) | 22:35 |
| scott-work | yes, yes...cory did do that unfortunately and i it is not unexpected to hear that | 22:35 |
| ochosi | hm, i don't have a screenshot, the theme is in the shimmerproject-github repo though | 22:35 |
| ochosi | (very unfinished though) | 22:35 |
| ochosi | i could do a greyscale, but where do you use the cof? | 22:36 |
| scott-work | ochosi: i have some rough ideas for changing some of the artwork for ubuntu studio, i don't have an overwhelmingly strong vision of it however | 22:37 |
| scott-work | one of the things i wanted to explore is a very minimalistic dekstop wallpaper with the cof very sublty placed in the bottom right corner | 22:37 |
| ochosi | ok, well we can easily cooperate on those things since we're in the same boat (xfce) now ;) | 22:37 |
| scott-work | unobstrusive, but would be missed if not present | 22:38 |
| ochosi | righty, we could talk about wallpapers with knome, he's good with inkscape | 22:38 |
| ochosi | scott-work: btw, what panel layout are you planning on using? | 22:40 |
| scott-work | ochosi: i was going to talk with you about that later after i looked at it more, but i was thinking something very similar to what is being used currently | 22:42 |
| ochosi | ok, sure, feel free to ping me anytime | 22:42 |
| scott-work | i think the changes i would like are very minor, like changing perhaps postions of certain elements or the format of the clock | 22:43 |
| scott-work | i think these are pretty easy at this point | 22:43 |
| ochosi | i was mainly wondering whether you're planning to keep AWN | 22:43 |
| scott-work | we aren't actually using AWN currently, it was a plan to move to it and remove practically all panels | 22:43 |
| ochosi | oh, then i misremembered that | 22:43 |
| scott-work | cory was certainly working towards that, but everythign fell apart last cycle | 22:44 |
| ochosi | sorry to hear that | 22:44 |
| scott-work | but given the size and scope of the team currently, we are moderating our goals and methods | 22:44 |
| ochosi | yeah, just wanted to ask about the status quo of your team | 22:44 |
| scott-work | we certainly want to update and fix things, but we realize we will be more effective by "stealing" stuff from xubuntu to make things happen | 22:45 |
| ochosi | :) | 22:45 |
| knome | http://open.knome.fi/2011/11/09/canonical-community-collaboration/ | 22:45 |
| ochosi | it's a good thing to borrow from each other | 22:45 |
| scott-work | ochosi: the ones that are most active are me, astraljava, holstein | 22:45 |
| scott-work | astraljava and i are pretty knowledgeable, him probably more than i | 22:46 |
| scott-work | holstein doesn't do packaging or bug fixes at this point, but does a hell of a lot of testing and user support | 22:46 |
| scott-work | we have two or three others that can be persuaded at times to help out and some have pretty amazing skills | 22:46 |
| knome | like knome? | 22:47 |
| * knome hides | 22:47 | |
| astraljava | Nah, those garden knomes are worth jacksh*t. | 22:47 |
| scott-work | falktx falls into the last cateogry, i wish i could get him to 1) particpate more often and 2) do it in such a way that it will be accepted into the repository without problems | 22:47 |
| knome | astraljava, "watch your language" ;) | 22:48 |
| ochosi | scott-work: right, then you're in a similar situation as xubuntu in a way | 22:48 |
| scott-work | falktx is amazing and accomplishes quite impressive things with his kxstudio and now his arch project as well | 22:48 |
| scott-work | ochosi: hopefully we can scaffold off of each other to make something better :) | 22:48 |
| ochosi | yup, i'm all for that | 22:49 |
| ochosi | knome: that post goes to the planet i hope? | 22:49 |
| knome | ochosi, yes | 22:49 |
| ochosi | knome: then i think: awesome! is the correct commentary ;) | 22:49 |
| knome | ;) | 22:49 |
| scott-work | knome: ochosi: is there something in particular with which you would like help or collaboration? | 22:50 |
| scott-work | several things have been mentioned but i'm not sure how much we can contribute | 22:50 |
| knome | scott-work, the installation stuff is something for what we don't have an assignee yet | 22:50 |
| scott-work | but it would be nice to identify something that we can do | 22:50 |
| ochosi | yeah, maybe we could set up a wiki-page and add items over the next week/s..? | 22:51 |
| knome | scott-work, so if you're going to pursue that, we could "pick some of the fruits" | 22:51 |
| ochosi | would that work for you? | 22:51 |
| knome | ochosi, good idea! | 22:51 |
| astraljava | Well, I was interested about Xubuntu even before we started leeching off of you, but now I'm more than eager to have an efficient collaboration between our projects. Just a word from myself on the matter. | 22:51 |
| astraljava | interested in* | 22:51 |
| knome | yes. collaboration seems so natural since we are sharing so much of the same stuff, and probably ideas about how things should look too | 22:52 |
| ochosi | personally i think there are a few areas in which we can collaborate: obviously appearance, fixing bugs caused by canonical, and then (maybe the most interesting part) there's helping upstream and collaborating with upstream (=xfce devs) | 22:52 |
| scott-work | astraljava reminded me of something, most of our feedback for going to xfce has included a lot of concern about regression or loss of functionality, at some point i want to email/blog about this point and challenge people | 22:52 |
| ochosi | mhm | 22:53 |
| ochosi | good idea | 22:53 |
| scott-work | of course, once we get closer to the end of this cycle and ubuntu studio improves quite a bit | 22:53 |
| scott-work | i think most of that is lack of education, they seemd to view xfce as something ugly from the 1980's or similar | 22:53 |
| knome | hah, yeah... | 22:53 |
| scott-work | knome, ochosi: i think a wiki page would be very easy to interface with and quite acceptable | 22:54 |
| knome | i think we've broken the myth with xubuntu with the last five releases | 22:54 |
| ochosi | knome: mind to set up a wiki-page for that? i'm rather tired-ish tonight and gotta go rest very soon... | 22:54 |
| scott-work | knome: that may be for those who have used it lately, but it still has a stigma from people who used it years ago :( | 22:54 |
| knome | scott-work, probably true | 22:55 |
| ochosi | scott-work: btw, do you have anyone working on gtk-themes or something like that? | 22:55 |
| scott-work | knome: what is the "installation stuff" that you mentioned? | 22:55 |
| scott-work | ochosi: not really | 22:55 |
| knome | scott-work, you were talking about different sets of applications for audio, gfx and stuff | 22:55 |
| knome | scott-work, am i correct? | 22:55 |
| ochosi | scott-work: ok, well if anyone approaches you feel free to forward them and we can try to work together. atm i have a *lot* of work :) (gtk3-ports of existing themes, new themes, icons etc.) | 22:56 |
| scott-work | knome: yes! absolutely | 22:56 |
| knome | scott-work, yeah. we thought of the possibility of adding sets like "core xfce only", "maximum accessibility" ... | 22:57 |
| scott-work | ochosi: perhaps later in the cycle you and i can have some extensive conversations as i have wanted to learn more about themes, icons, et al and how they operate | 22:57 |
| ochosi | scott-work: sure | 22:57 |
| ochosi | oh, yes, that installer-option-stuff would be very cool | 22:57 |
| scott-work | knome: this is our current information about the ubiquity patch (and livedvd): https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-livedvd | 22:58 |
| scott-work | stephane from edubuntu is the one who wrote it | 22:58 |
| knome | ah, i know him | 22:58 |
| scott-work | i was hoping to document how i changed it for ubuntu studio for others to use | 22:58 |
| knome | yeah | 22:58 |
| ochosi | stephane = stgraber? | 22:58 |
| knome | ochosi, yes | 22:58 |
| scott-work | knome: he's amazing and involved in so many things | 22:58 |
| scott-work | including the iso tracker website | 22:59 |
| knome | i met him in london when canonical showed us a preview of the new visual style | 22:59 |
| ochosi | yeah, true, he seems like a really nice guy from how i know him (even though only very little) | 22:59 |
| knome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/UbuntuStudioCollaboration | 22:59 |
| knome | ochosi, yes, he is a little guy :P | 22:59 |
| scott-work | very, very nice guy, although i struggled sometimes to understand him completely due to his heavy accent | 22:59 |
| knome | heh, yeah, he speaks ver french-engligh | 23:00 |
| knome | *english | 23:00 |
| ochosi | hehe, nice | 23:00 |
| scott-work | okay, time to go home | 23:00 |
| ochosi | yeah, same here | 23:00 |
| knome | during the first minutes after you've met him, you wonder if he is speaking french or english | 23:00 |
| knome | then you start spotting words | 23:00 |
| ochosi | :) | 23:00 |
| knome | and then, "OH!" | 23:00 |
| knome | ;) | 23:01 |
| knome | cody-somerville, got my email? | 23:01 |
| knome | somebody feel like testing the ristretto-git? | 23:24 |
| micahg | why bother testing the git repo? why not test the Debian package? | 23:25 |
| knome | is that as current? | 23:26 |
| knome | whatever the method, somebody should test >0.0.93 against the bugs in LP | 23:26 |
| micahg | I'll throw 0.3.0 in my backports PPA if that'll speed things up, but it'll be next week before it's in precise | 23:28 |
| knome | we probably need to test it in oneiric | 23:28 |
| micahg | right, I'd backport to oneiric | 23:28 |
| knome | :) | 23:28 |
| micahg | ah, can't do a simple backport, not high enough debhelper | 23:30 |
| knome | heh | 23:30 |
| knome | or maybe somebody will just test from git | 23:30 |
| knome | we just want to check if the bugs reported in LP still exist | 23:31 |
| knome | we know they don't, but let's make sure :P | 23:31 |
| madnick | i downloaded it, i will compile it | 23:33 |
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