[00:13] ochosi: should i make an assignee list and list myself? [00:44] madnick: yup [00:52] gah i cant seem to do it right :P [00:53] there we go! :P [00:54] heh [00:55] i must say, the ubuntu wiki is VERY confusing when you try to organize things cleanly :((( [00:55] bbl [00:56] see you [00:56] cya [01:03] unfortunately true... [01:27] night everyone [01:30] night :) [14:53] ochosi: can i get a link to the ristretto git? [15:40] GridCube: git clone git://git.xfce.org/apps/ristretto, or you can download http://archive.xfce.org/src/apps/ristretto/0.3/ristretto-0.3.0.tar.bz2 (this is almost what's in git) [15:43] :) thanks [20:26] I experience radeon driver bug on 10.04 LTS amd64, console spitting errors. How to report it? [20:27] Hardware amd690g x1250 [20:28] Or maybe there is no point reporting it since its old kernel and I have no idea quite how to reproduce? [22:23] i don't remember which package it is, but is there a way to make the screensaver that xubuntu uses prettier? [22:23] we use xscreensaver [22:24] that is what i thought, but wasn't sure [22:27] scott-work: you can only edit the source. in fact i was discussing that with madnick [22:28] there are many choices for what's available [22:29] micahg: what do you mean exactly? [22:29] we ship many screensavers in the xscreensaver package [22:29] oh, did you really mean screensaver? sry, i read "lockscreen"... [22:30] dunno why, guess it's getting late for me... [22:30] aye, i meant "lockscreen" [22:30] hah [22:30] ok, so what i said was fine then ;) [22:31] scott-work: we could cooperate on that if you're interested. i would advocate a rather generic improvement anyway (nothing xubuntu-specific with logo etc) [22:32] i did find a patch that allowed themeing, don't know that it was lockscreen specific or not [22:32] ochosi: i would love too, but i worry about the work load already for me this cycle [22:33] i imagine that our (ubuntu studio) transition to using xubuntus' theme, UI, icons, et al will fall on me as well [22:33] and i have enough other tasks already [22:33] i see [22:33] if you need help with theme icons etc let me know [22:33] i'm usually taking care of that in xubuntu [22:33] ochosi: hehe, i expect to bug you about it ;) [22:34] fine :) [22:34] i want to get several other work items done across a few blueprints first, which may take a couple of weeks unfortunately [22:34] btw, i was in fact working with cory kontros during the last cycle on a recoloring of greybird to ubuntu-studio colors [22:34] ochosi: ooooh, interesting [22:34] do you have a screen shot? [22:34] well, in fact i was doing the work ;) but he got seemingly less and less interested, so the project fell asleep [22:34] ochosi: would you also consider doing a grey scale of the ubuntu studio cof? [22:35] (and i had a lot of other stuff to do) [22:35] yes, yes...cory did do that unfortunately and i it is not unexpected to hear that [22:35] hm, i don't have a screenshot, the theme is in the shimmerproject-github repo though [22:35] (very unfinished though) [22:36] i could do a greyscale, but where do you use the cof? [22:37] ochosi: i have some rough ideas for changing some of the artwork for ubuntu studio, i don't have an overwhelmingly strong vision of it however [22:37] one of the things i wanted to explore is a very minimalistic dekstop wallpaper with the cof very sublty placed in the bottom right corner [22:37] ok, well we can easily cooperate on those things since we're in the same boat (xfce) now ;) [22:38] unobstrusive, but would be missed if not present [22:38] righty, we could talk about wallpapers with knome, he's good with inkscape [22:40] scott-work: btw, what panel layout are you planning on using? [22:42] ochosi: i was going to talk with you about that later after i looked at it more, but i was thinking something very similar to what is being used currently [22:42] ok, sure, feel free to ping me anytime [22:43] i think the changes i would like are very minor, like changing perhaps postions of certain elements or the format of the clock [22:43] i think these are pretty easy at this point [22:43] i was mainly wondering whether you're planning to keep AWN [22:43] we aren't actually using AWN currently, it was a plan to move to it and remove practically all panels [22:43] oh, then i misremembered that [22:44] cory was certainly working towards that, but everythign fell apart last cycle [22:44] sorry to hear that [22:44] but given the size and scope of the team currently, we are moderating our goals and methods [22:44] yeah, just wanted to ask about the status quo of your team [22:45] we certainly want to update and fix things, but we realize we will be more effective by "stealing" stuff from xubuntu to make things happen [22:45] :) [22:45] http://open.knome.fi/2011/11/09/canonical-community-collaboration/ [22:45] it's a good thing to borrow from each other [22:45] ochosi: the ones that are most active are me, astraljava, holstein [22:46] astraljava and i are pretty knowledgeable, him probably more than i [22:46] holstein doesn't do packaging or bug fixes at this point, but does a hell of a lot of testing and user support [22:46] we have two or three others that can be persuaded at times to help out and some have pretty amazing skills [22:47] like knome? [22:47] * knome hides [22:47] Nah, those garden knomes are worth jacksh*t. [22:47] falktx falls into the last cateogry, i wish i could get him to 1) particpate more often and 2) do it in such a way that it will be accepted into the repository without problems [22:48] astraljava, "watch your language" ;) [22:48] scott-work: right, then you're in a similar situation as xubuntu in a way [22:48] falktx is amazing and accomplishes quite impressive things with his kxstudio and now his arch project as well [22:48] ochosi: hopefully we can scaffold off of each other to make something better :) [22:49] yup, i'm all for that [22:49] knome: that post goes to the planet i hope? [22:49] ochosi, yes [22:49] knome: then i think: awesome! is the correct commentary ;) [22:49] ;) [22:50] knome: ochosi: is there something in particular with which you would like help or collaboration? [22:50] several things have been mentioned but i'm not sure how much we can contribute [22:50] scott-work, the installation stuff is something for what we don't have an assignee yet [22:50] but it would be nice to identify something that we can do [22:51] yeah, maybe we could set up a wiki-page and add items over the next week/s..? [22:51] scott-work, so if you're going to pursue that, we could "pick some of the fruits" [22:51] would that work for you? [22:51] ochosi, good idea! [22:51] Well, I was interested about Xubuntu even before we started leeching off of you, but now I'm more than eager to have an efficient collaboration between our projects. Just a word from myself on the matter. [22:51] interested in* [22:52] yes. collaboration seems so natural since we are sharing so much of the same stuff, and probably ideas about how things should look too [22:52] personally i think there are a few areas in which we can collaborate: obviously appearance, fixing bugs caused by canonical, and then (maybe the most interesting part) there's helping upstream and collaborating with upstream (=xfce devs) [22:52] astraljava reminded me of something, most of our feedback for going to xfce has included a lot of concern about regression or loss of functionality, at some point i want to email/blog about this point and challenge people [22:53] mhm [22:53] good idea [22:53] of course, once we get closer to the end of this cycle and ubuntu studio improves quite a bit [22:53] i think most of that is lack of education, they seemd to view xfce as something ugly from the 1980's or similar [22:53] hah, yeah... [22:54] knome, ochosi: i think a wiki page would be very easy to interface with and quite acceptable [22:54] i think we've broken the myth with xubuntu with the last five releases [22:54] knome: mind to set up a wiki-page for that? i'm rather tired-ish tonight and gotta go rest very soon... [22:54] knome: that may be for those who have used it lately, but it still has a stigma from people who used it years ago :( [22:55] scott-work, probably true [22:55] scott-work: btw, do you have anyone working on gtk-themes or something like that? [22:55] knome: what is the "installation stuff" that you mentioned? [22:55] ochosi: not really [22:55] scott-work, you were talking about different sets of applications for audio, gfx and stuff [22:55] scott-work, am i correct? [22:56] scott-work: ok, well if anyone approaches you feel free to forward them and we can try to work together. atm i have a *lot* of work :) (gtk3-ports of existing themes, new themes, icons etc.) [22:56] knome: yes! absolutely [22:57] scott-work, yeah. we thought of the possibility of adding sets like "core xfce only", "maximum accessibility" ... [22:57] ochosi: perhaps later in the cycle you and i can have some extensive conversations as i have wanted to learn more about themes, icons, et al and how they operate [22:57] scott-work: sure [22:57] oh, yes, that installer-option-stuff would be very cool [22:58] knome: this is our current information about the ubiquity patch (and livedvd): https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-livedvd [22:58] stephane from edubuntu is the one who wrote it [22:58] ah, i know him [22:58] i was hoping to document how i changed it for ubuntu studio for others to use [22:58] yeah [22:58] stephane = stgraber? [22:58] ochosi, yes [22:58] knome: he's amazing and involved in so many things [22:59] including the iso tracker website [22:59] i met him in london when canonical showed us a preview of the new visual style [22:59] yeah, true, he seems like a really nice guy from how i know him (even though only very little) [22:59] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/UbuntuStudioCollaboration [22:59] ochosi, yes, he is a little guy :P [22:59] very, very nice guy, although i struggled sometimes to understand him completely due to his heavy accent [23:00] heh, yeah, he speaks ver french-engligh [23:00] *english [23:00] hehe, nice [23:00] okay, time to go home [23:00] yeah, same here [23:00] during the first minutes after you've met him, you wonder if he is speaking french or english [23:00] then you start spotting words [23:00] :) [23:00] and then, "OH!" [23:01] ;) [23:01] cody-somerville, got my email? [23:24] somebody feel like testing the ristretto-git? [23:25] why bother testing the git repo? why not test the Debian package? [23:26] is that as current? [23:26] whatever the method, somebody should test >0.0.93 against the bugs in LP [23:28] I'll throw 0.3.0 in my backports PPA if that'll speed things up, but it'll be next week before it's in precise [23:28] we probably need to test it in oneiric [23:28] right, I'd backport to oneiric [23:28] :) [23:30] ah, can't do a simple backport, not high enough debhelper [23:30] heh [23:30] or maybe somebody will just test from git [23:31] we just want to check if the bugs reported in LP still exist [23:31] we know they don't, but let's make sure :P [23:33] i downloaded it, i will compile it