[00:13] <madnick> ochosi: should i make an assignee list and list myself? 
[00:44] <ochosi> madnick: yup
[00:52] <madnick> gah i cant seem to do it right :P
[00:53] <madnick> there we go! :P
[00:54] <knome> heh
[00:55] <knome> i must say, the ubuntu wiki is VERY confusing when you try to organize things cleanly :(((
[00:55] <knome> bbl
[00:56] <knome> see you
[00:56] <madnick> cya
[01:03] <ochosi> unfortunately true...
[01:27] <ochosi> night everyone
[01:30] <madnick> night :)
[14:53] <GridCube> ochosi: can i get a link to the ristretto git?
[15:40] <mr_pouit> GridCube: git clone git://git.xfce.org/apps/ristretto, or you can download http://archive.xfce.org/src/apps/ristretto/0.3/ristretto-0.3.0.tar.bz2 (this is almost what's in git)
[15:43] <GridCube> :) thanks
[20:26] <nikolam> I experience radeon driver bug on 10.04 LTS amd64, console spitting errors. How to report it?
[20:27] <nikolam> Hardware amd690g x1250
[20:28] <nikolam> Or maybe there is no point reporting it since its old kernel and I have no idea quite how to reproduce?
[22:23] <scott-work> i don't remember which package it is, but is there a way to make the screensaver that xubuntu uses prettier?
[22:23] <micahg> we use xscreensaver
[22:24] <scott-work> that is what i thought, but wasn't sure
[22:27] <ochosi> scott-work: you can only edit the source. in fact i was discussing that with madnick 
[22:28] <micahg> there are many choices for what's available
[22:29] <ochosi> micahg: what do you mean exactly?
[22:29] <micahg> we ship many screensavers in the xscreensaver package
[22:29] <ochosi> oh, did you really mean screensaver? sry, i read "lockscreen"...
[22:30] <ochosi> dunno why, guess it's getting late for me...
[22:30] <scott-work> aye, i meant "lockscreen"
[22:30] <ochosi> hah
[22:30] <ochosi> ok, so what i said was fine then ;)
[22:31] <ochosi> scott-work: we could cooperate on that if you're interested. i would advocate a rather generic improvement anyway (nothing xubuntu-specific with logo etc)
[22:32] <scott-work> i did find a patch that allowed themeing, don't know that it was lockscreen specific or not
[22:32] <scott-work> ochosi: i would love too, but i worry about the work load already for me this cycle
[22:33] <scott-work> i imagine that our (ubuntu studio) transition to using xubuntus' theme, UI, icons, et al will fall on me as well
[22:33] <scott-work> and i have enough other tasks already
[22:33] <ochosi> i see
[22:33] <ochosi> if you need help with theme icons etc let me know
[22:33] <ochosi> i'm usually taking care of that in xubuntu
[22:33] <scott-work> ochosi:  hehe, i expect to bug you about it ;)
[22:34] <ochosi> fine :)
[22:34] <scott-work> i want to get several other work items done across a few blueprints first, which may take a couple of weeks unfortunately
[22:34] <ochosi> btw, i was in fact working with cory kontros during the last cycle on a recoloring of greybird to ubuntu-studio colors
[22:34] <scott-work> ochosi: ooooh, interesting
[22:34] <scott-work> do you have a screen shot?
[22:34] <ochosi> well, in fact i was doing the work ;) but he got seemingly less and less interested, so the project fell asleep
[22:34] <scott-work> ochosi: would you also consider doing a grey scale of the ubuntu studio cof?
[22:35] <ochosi> (and i had a lot of other stuff to do)
[22:35] <scott-work> yes, yes...cory did do that unfortunately and i it is not unexpected to hear that
[22:35] <ochosi> hm, i don't have a screenshot, the theme is in the shimmerproject-github repo though
[22:35] <ochosi> (very unfinished though)
[22:36] <ochosi> i could do a greyscale, but where do you use the cof?
[22:37] <scott-work> ochosi: i have some rough ideas for changing some of the artwork for ubuntu studio, i don't have an overwhelmingly strong vision of it however
[22:37] <scott-work> one of the things i wanted to explore is a very minimalistic dekstop wallpaper with the cof very sublty placed in the bottom right corner
[22:37] <ochosi> ok, well we can easily cooperate on those things since we're in the same boat (xfce) now ;)
[22:38] <scott-work> unobstrusive, but would be missed if not present
[22:38] <ochosi> righty, we could talk about wallpapers with knome, he's good with inkscape
[22:40] <ochosi> scott-work: btw, what panel layout are you planning on using?
[22:42] <scott-work> ochosi: i was going to talk with you about that later after i looked at it more, but i was thinking something very similar to what is being used currently
[22:42] <ochosi> ok, sure, feel free to ping me anytime
[22:43] <scott-work> i think the changes i would like are very minor, like changing perhaps postions of certain elements or the format of the clock
[22:43] <scott-work> i think these are pretty easy at this point
[22:43] <ochosi> i was mainly wondering whether you're planning to keep AWN
[22:43] <scott-work> we aren't actually using AWN currently, it was a plan to move to it and remove practically all panels
[22:43] <ochosi> oh, then i misremembered that
[22:44] <scott-work> cory was certainly working towards that, but everythign fell apart last cycle
[22:44] <ochosi> sorry to hear that
[22:44] <scott-work> but given the size and scope of the team currently, we are moderating our goals and methods
[22:44] <ochosi> yeah, just wanted to ask about the status quo of your team
[22:45] <scott-work> we certainly want to update and fix things, but we realize we will be more effective by "stealing" stuff from xubuntu to make things happen
[22:45] <ochosi> :)
[22:45] <knome> http://open.knome.fi/2011/11/09/canonical-community-collaboration/
[22:45] <ochosi> it's a good thing to borrow from each other
[22:45] <scott-work> ochosi: the ones that are most active are me, astraljava, holstein
[22:46] <scott-work> astraljava and i are pretty knowledgeable, him probably more than i
[22:46] <scott-work> holstein doesn't do packaging or bug fixes at this point, but does a hell of a lot of testing and user support
[22:46] <scott-work> we have two or three others that can be persuaded at times to help out and some have pretty amazing skills
[22:47] <knome> like knome?
[22:47]  * knome hides
[22:47] <astraljava> Nah, those garden knomes are worth jacksh*t.
[22:47] <scott-work> falktx falls into the last cateogry, i wish i could get him to 1) particpate more often and 2) do it in such a way that it will be accepted into the repository without problems
[22:48] <knome> astraljava, "watch your language" ;)
[22:48] <ochosi> scott-work: right, then you're in a similar situation as xubuntu in a way
[22:48] <scott-work> falktx is amazing and accomplishes quite impressive things with his kxstudio and now his arch project as well
[22:48] <scott-work> ochosi: hopefully we can scaffold off of each other to make something better :)
[22:49] <ochosi> yup, i'm all for that
[22:49] <ochosi> knome: that post goes to the planet i hope?
[22:49] <knome> ochosi, yes
[22:49] <ochosi> knome: then i think: awesome! is the correct commentary ;)
[22:49] <knome> ;)
[22:50] <scott-work> knome: ochosi: is there something in particular with which you would like help or collaboration?
[22:50] <scott-work> several things have been mentioned but i'm not sure how much we can contribute
[22:50] <knome> scott-work, the installation stuff is something for what we don't have an assignee yet
[22:50] <scott-work> but it would be nice to identify something that we can do
[22:51] <ochosi> yeah, maybe we could set up a wiki-page and add items over the next week/s..?
[22:51] <knome> scott-work, so if you're going to pursue that, we could "pick some of the fruits"
[22:51] <ochosi> would that work for you?
[22:51] <knome> ochosi, good idea!
[22:51] <astraljava> Well, I was interested about Xubuntu even before we started leeching off of you, but now I'm more than eager to have an efficient collaboration between our projects. Just a word from myself on the matter.
[22:51] <astraljava> interested in*
[22:52] <knome> yes. collaboration seems so natural since we are sharing so much of the same stuff, and probably ideas about how things should look too
[22:52] <ochosi> personally i think there are a few areas in which we can collaborate: obviously appearance, fixing bugs caused by canonical, and then (maybe the most interesting part) there's helping upstream and collaborating with upstream (=xfce devs)
[22:52] <scott-work> astraljava reminded me of something, most of our feedback for going to xfce has included a lot of concern about regression or loss of functionality, at some point i want to email/blog about this point and challenge people
[22:53] <ochosi> mhm
[22:53] <ochosi> good idea
[22:53] <scott-work> of course, once we get closer to the end of this cycle and ubuntu studio improves quite a bit
[22:53] <scott-work> i think most of that is lack of education, they seemd to view xfce as something ugly from the 1980's or similar
[22:53] <knome> hah, yeah...
[22:54] <scott-work> knome, ochosi: i think a wiki page would be very easy to interface with and quite acceptable
[22:54] <knome> i think we've broken the myth with xubuntu with the last five releases
[22:54] <ochosi> knome: mind to set up a wiki-page for that? i'm rather tired-ish tonight and gotta go rest very soon...
[22:54] <scott-work> knome: that may be for those who have used it lately, but it still has a stigma from people who used it years ago :(
[22:55] <knome> scott-work, probably true
[22:55] <ochosi> scott-work: btw, do you have anyone working on gtk-themes or something like that?
[22:55] <scott-work> knome:  what is the "installation stuff" that you mentioned?
[22:55] <scott-work> ochosi: not really
[22:55] <knome> scott-work, you were talking about different sets of applications for audio, gfx and stuff
[22:55] <knome> scott-work, am i correct?
[22:56] <ochosi> scott-work: ok, well if anyone approaches you feel free to forward them and we can try to work together. atm i have a *lot* of work :) (gtk3-ports of existing themes, new themes, icons etc.)
[22:56] <scott-work> knome: yes!  absolutely
[22:57] <knome> scott-work, yeah. we thought of the possibility of adding sets like "core xfce only", "maximum accessibility" ...
[22:57] <scott-work> ochosi: perhaps later in the cycle you and i can have some extensive conversations as i have wanted to learn more about themes, icons, et al and how they operate
[22:57] <ochosi> scott-work: sure
[22:57] <ochosi> oh, yes, that installer-option-stuff would be very cool
[22:58] <scott-work> knome: this is our current information about the ubiquity patch (and livedvd): https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-livedvd
[22:58] <scott-work> stephane from edubuntu is the one who wrote it
[22:58] <knome> ah, i know him
[22:58] <scott-work> i was hoping to document how i changed it for ubuntu studio for others to use
[22:58] <knome> yeah
[22:58] <ochosi> stephane = stgraber?
[22:58] <knome> ochosi, yes
[22:58] <scott-work> knome: he's amazing and involved in so many things
[22:59] <scott-work> including the iso tracker website
[22:59] <knome> i met him in london when canonical showed us a preview of the new visual style
[22:59] <ochosi> yeah, true, he seems like a really nice guy from how i know him (even though only very little)
[22:59] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/UbuntuStudioCollaboration
[22:59] <knome> ochosi, yes, he is a little guy :P
[22:59] <scott-work> very, very nice guy, although i struggled sometimes to understand him completely due to his heavy accent
[23:00] <knome> heh, yeah, he speaks ver french-engligh
[23:00] <knome> *english
[23:00] <ochosi> hehe, nice
[23:00] <scott-work> okay, time to go home
[23:00] <ochosi> yeah, same here
[23:00] <knome> during the first minutes after you've met him, you wonder if he is speaking french or english
[23:00] <knome> then you start spotting words
[23:00] <ochosi> :)
[23:00] <knome> and then, "OH!"
[23:01] <knome> ;)
[23:01] <knome> cody-somerville, got my email?
[23:24] <knome> somebody feel like testing the ristretto-git?
[23:25] <micahg> why bother testing the git repo?  why not test the Debian package?
[23:26] <knome> is that as current?
[23:26] <knome> whatever the method, somebody should test >0.0.93 against the bugs in LP
[23:28] <micahg> I'll throw 0.3.0 in my backports PPA if that'll speed things up, but it'll be next week before it's in precise
[23:28] <knome> we probably need to test it in oneiric
[23:28] <micahg> right, I'd backport to oneiric
[23:28] <knome> :)
[23:30] <micahg> ah, can't do a simple backport, not high enough debhelper
[23:30] <knome> heh
[23:30] <knome> or maybe somebody will just test from git
[23:31] <knome> we just want to check if the bugs reported in LP still exist
[23:31] <knome> we know they don't, but let's make sure :P
[23:33] <madnick> i downloaded it, i will compile it