| Riddell | fregl: hmm, recompiling the 11.10 qt-at-spi package doesn't make any crashes go away forme | 01:17 |
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| wendar | do you all have some UDS highlights I can include in the quick wrapup summary? | 01:50 |
| wendar | I'm running through the etherpad docs | 01:50 |
| Riddell | wendar: hmm, focusing on quality for the LTS | 01:58 |
| Riddell | but also new flavour Kubuntu Active for tablets and mobiles | 01:58 |
| wendar | Riddell: makes sense. I've got that quality at the top as the theme for the whole week | 01:59 |
| Riddell | possibly switching to LightDM, possibly to telepathy-kde | 01:59 |
| Riddell | fixing accessibility and CJK | 01:59 |
| wendar | awesome, thanks! | 02:01 |
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| wendar | oh, are you planning to apply as an LTS release? | 02:17 |
| wendar | (I'm assuming so, just thought to check when I saw Edubuntu's plans) | 02:22 |
| valorie | Supper_slash: Amarok would like your help | 02:38 |
| valorie | we need some icons | 02:38 |
| valorie | http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/amarok/2011-November/032816.html | 02:40 |
| valorie | apachelogger: http://goo.gl/9jVSJ | 03:59 |
| valorie | from http://animalsdressedasotheranimals.tumblr.com/ which is all the sugar a person needs! | 04:00 |
| Supper_slash | Cool. ill see what i can do. Sorry for the late delay. | 06:40 |
| Supper_slash | valorie, i sent a e-mail. maby ill get the "Job" lol. | 07:05 |
| valorie | super! | 07:11 |
| Supper_slash | Man it has been a life time since i last used irc. i remember useing a 133MHZ cpu system, that cost 2000+ dollars new! Woah! Thats a long time ago. | 07:14 |
| valorie | for leet hackers only! | 07:17 |
| * valorie has been on IRC since 2001, and I was still using windows | 07:17 | |
| Supper_slash | ha ha. yes. that 133 was the envy of the block! | 07:25 |
| agateau | morning kubuntu devs! | 09:42 |
| agateau | I am in the process of packaging massif-visualizer, I am following maco guide to do so ( http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2010/08/is-packaging-new-software-hard.html ) | 09:43 |
| agateau | is it appropriate for kde packages or is there something more kde-oriented available? | 09:43 |
| valorie | agateau: the official guide is here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved/Development | 09:49 |
| agateau | valorie: thanks! | 09:49 |
| valorie | :-) | 09:49 |
| agateau | damn, this copyright file seems to be tricky to get right | 10:11 |
| agateau | do we have a tool to list all authors? | 10:11 |
| valorie | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#copyright | 10:15 |
| valorie | might help | 10:15 |
| debfx | agateau: licensecheck -r --copyright | 10:17 |
| debfx | that lists all files with the license and copyright holders | 10:17 |
| agateau | valorie: debfx: thanks | 10:18 |
| * agateau tries licensecheck | 10:18 | |
| agateau | it seems some apps like to have a copy of libkdchart in their sources | 12:24 |
| agateau | is this a known problem? | 12:25 |
| agateau | it would probably be nicer to have a libkdchart package | 12:25 |
| agateau | Riddell: hey my fellow francophone friend, any opinion on this libkdchart thing? ^ | 12:57 |
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| mck182 | hey kubuntu devs, I have a question about the message-indicator plasmoid in 11.10 | 13:27 |
| mck182 | I see there's a telepathy plugin for that among my packages | 13:27 |
| mck182 | how does that work with telepathy? | 13:27 |
| debfx | oh that reminds me | 13:30 |
| debfx | agateau: are there any upstream translations of plasma-widget-message-indicator that can be used by other distros? | 13:31 |
| debfx | and do you have an idea how to make the desktop file translatable without relying on pkg-kde-tools? | 13:32 |
| agateau | debfx: Right now all translations (.po and .desktop) come from Launchpad, not sure how other distros can use them | 13:33 |
| agateau | mck182: message-indicator plasmoid uses libindicate-qt, which is a qt binding for libindicate, | 13:34 |
| agateau | mck182: I assume telepathy-indicator uses libindicate to register itself and thus show up in the plasmoid | 13:35 |
| mck182 | agateau: this doesn't work with kde-telepathy, so I assume there is some need to register ourselves there...right? | 13:36 |
| mck182 | currently I have 3 accounts online, neither one shows in there...so that package is probably for empathy | 13:37 |
| mck182 | well, on the other hand, I actually don't know how is this supposed to work :) | 13:38 |
| agateau | mck182: I wrote some slides about the subject, let me look for them | 13:38 |
| mck182 | agateau: that'd be great, thanks | 13:39 |
| debfx | hm maybe I can export them from launchpad but it would be nice to have them integrate into the official tarball | 13:40 |
| agateau | mck182: http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/indicate/uds-dallas-presentation/index.html | 13:42 |
| agateau | mck182: but it seems the source code examples are quite mangled :/ | 13:42 |
| mck182 | agateau: ok, so the server in this case is the plasmoid, right? | 13:43 |
| agateau | mck182: no | 13:43 |
| mck182 | ok, went too fast over that :P | 13:43 |
| agateau | mck182: the app instantiate a "server" = the top-level item in the menu | 13:43 |
| mck182 | ah | 13:44 |
| agateau | mck182: then one or more indicators = the 2nd level items in the menu | 13:44 |
| mck182 | makes perfect sense | 13:44 |
| agateau | mck182: the plasmoid uses the Listener class, which you don't need on your side | 13:44 |
| mck182 | right | 13:44 |
| agateau | I have to run for an errand, should be back in 30 mins | 13:44 |
| mck182 | thanks for now :) | 13:45 |
| rando_uu | hi, is this the right channel to ask about kubuntu packaging? | 13:48 |
| jussi | rando_uu: certainly is :) | 13:50 |
| mck182 | agateau: how does KStatusNotifier fits into this then? | 13:52 |
| rando_uu | allright, i have successfully built packages for some plasma-widgets, but with a certain widget I get a ctest error (http://pastebin.com/PDgep6SY) when I try to build the package (both local and on launchpad) | 13:57 |
| rando_uu | am I missing something in the control file or some other packaging magic or is the source broken? | 13:58 |
| agateau | back | 14:12 |
| agateau | mck182: it is a different concept from KStatusNotifierItem, | 14:13 |
| agateau | mck182: it does not really make sense to have both running at the same time | 14:14 |
| mck182 | I see | 14:14 |
| agateau | rando_uu: those tests need an X server to run. There is no X server running on the lp builders, you have to either a) disable the tests, b) fix the tests to not require an X server or c) start xvfb before the tests (that one is tricky) | 14:15 |
| txwikinger | We should maybe participate here: http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1089/community-promotion-ads-1h-2011 | 14:18 |
| rando_uu | agateau: thx i guessed there is no xserver running on lp but it did not build on my local system with x running either, guess I'd need xvfb on my local system too, I'll probably just disable the tests ;) | 14:20 |
| agateau | mck182: I just crudely fixed the slides, trading syntax highlighting for full text :) | 14:27 |
| mck182 | agateau: hehe, I think it's worse now :P | 14:29 |
| agateau | mck182: you may need to reload | 14:30 |
| agateau | fregl: hey, we get quite a few reports from kde apps crashing if a11y is enabled in Oneiric: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt-at-spi/+bug/877358 | 14:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 877358 in qt-at-spi (Ubuntu) "QtAccessibility causes crashes in several applications" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:30 |
| mck182 | agateau: the text goes out of the screen for me and there's no way to make it smaller :( | 14:30 |
| agateau | anyone seen those? I tried to reproduce but haven't managed yet | 14:30 |
| agateau | mck182: ctrl+- does not work? | 14:31 |
| mck182 | agateau: no, it automagically resizes back | 14:31 |
| agateau | mck182: damn, I was told S5 was not a good idea, I'll fix this | 14:31 |
| mck182 | ;) | 14:31 |
| Supper_slash | Good morning! | 14:39 |
| fregl | agateau: back | 14:46 |
| fregl | agateau: I had some crashes, I can probably reproduce | 14:46 |
| agateau | fregl: the backtraces look like the code is trying to use a NULL pointer | 14:47 |
| fregl | give me a sec, I need to finish one other thing first | 14:47 |
| donovan | good day. ive been trying to get holf of rbelem for help with installing plasma active on kubuntu. is anyone else perhaps able to help. | 14:52 |
| donovan | thanks very much if you can | 14:52 |
| fregl | agateau: I briefly looked at this with Riddell and didrocks - the problem is that the state of the qt-at-spi bridge in the package is not great. neither is the implementation of accessible things inside qt in 4.7. I fixed 4.8 mostly. | 14:53 |
| agateau | fregl: so the fix is to upgrade to 4.8, right? | 14:54 |
| fregl | in the case of people running kde apps in unity I wonder what the sensible solution is. 1) no accessibility needed: do not expose the env var - so maybe we should check more carefully when that is exposed 2) accessibility needed - you are screwed | 14:54 |
| fregl | and yes, 4.8 solves a lot of this and if there are bugs in 4.8 I would love to fix them. for 4.7 it is almost impossible without major backporting | 14:55 |
| fregl | so I was thinking maybe we check the wrong gconf setting at the moment - can someone check which setting is actually used for orca to enable speech? | 14:55 |
| fregl | because for me, no matter what I do after logging in to unity and enabling a11y once and then disabling it again, the plugin gets loaded and the var set | 14:56 |
| fregl | the var is set by at-spi2-core btw | 14:56 |
| fregl | that's the package | 14:56 |
| fregl | agateau: ^ | 14:57 |
| agateau | fregl: yes I found that | 14:57 |
| * agateau reads the script again | 14:58 | |
| fregl | also I found that on my system for some strange reason it even crashes with no screen reader running. recompiling qt-at-spi from the package (apt-get sources) and installing my new package helped. I can reproduce - switching to qt-at-spi from the ubuntu repo I get crashes with no screenreader running. my self build package doesn't. | 14:58 |
| fregl | also I think gnome has several settings inside the a11y module | 14:58 |
| fregl | in universal access there is one checkbox/slider that is "screen reader". I think the value of that one is the right one. hm, it's set to on here again, I wonder why. | 14:59 |
| agateau | fregl: the script does not do anything desktop-specific: as long as "gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.interface toolkit-accessibility" prints "true", QT_ACCESSIBILITY is set | 14:59 |
| agateau | that explains why you get it on KDE as well | 15:00 |
| fregl | agateau: I know. we identified not running that in a kde session as a half assed fix. but now thinking about running kde apps in gnome sessions... it doesn't help | 15:00 |
| fregl | yes | 15:00 |
| fregl | agateau: where is the script installed again? | 15:01 |
| agateau | fregl: yes, we do want those unity users to get used to kde apps :) | 15:01 |
| agateau | fregl: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90qt-a11y | 15:01 |
| fregl | thx | 15:01 |
| fregl | yep | 15:01 |
| fregl | agateau: I think it checks the wrong setting | 15:02 |
| agateau | fregl: oh | 15:02 |
| agateau | didrocks: ^ | 15:02 |
| fregl | but I don't know which one the right one is | 15:03 |
| fregl | do I need to use dconf for that? | 15:03 |
| fregl | the setting it checks is true for my machine, no matter what I set for screen reader | 15:03 |
| agateau | fregl: gsettings is the higher level tool for dconf | 15:03 |
| didrocks | sorry, didn't follow the discussion, quite busy with other things | 15:04 |
| agateau | didrocks: let me summarize, | 15:04 |
| didrocks | thanks :) | 15:04 |
| agateau | didrocks: fregl and I were talking about the bug reports on kde apps crash when a11y is enabled | 15:04 |
| agateau | didrocks: and fregl believes we do not check the correct setting in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90qt-a11y | 15:05 |
| agateau | didrocks: I am not qualified to say if that is right :) | 15:06 |
| fregl | I'm not sure either - but maybe you can check - in gnome-control-center/universal access is a screen reader button | 15:07 |
| didrocks | oh, that's more that possible | 15:07 |
| fregl | toggling that does not affect the setting for me | 15:07 |
| didrocks | gsettings is maybe not from the right user | 15:07 |
| didrocks | I already pinged TheMuso when he wrote that script | 15:07 |
| didrocks | (twice actually) | 15:07 |
| fregl | didrocks: I think the user is right but the setting not | 15:07 |
| didrocks | didn't get any feedback | 15:07 |
| didrocks | hum, like? | 15:07 |
| didrocks | it returns false to me | 15:08 |
| didrocks | which means, there is a setting and schema | 15:08 |
| didrocks | (otherwise gsettings will abort if no schema was installed) | 15:08 |
| fregl | didrocks: yes, but it always returns true after you switch on screen reader and switch it off again I think | 15:08 |
| fregl | so I think this setting is too general | 15:09 |
| didrocks | ah, more than possible | 15:09 |
| didrocks | the most knowlewdgeable about it right now is TheMuso I guess | 15:10 |
| agateau | the thing is, fixing this would avoid crashes for users with no a11y need, but won't help those who do need a11y, right? | 15:11 |
| fregl | agateau: didrocks gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.a11y.applications screen-reader-enabled | 15:12 |
| fregl | this is much much better afaict | 15:12 |
| fregl | this will make crashes disappear as long as orca is not running | 15:12 |
| agateau | fregl: sounds good to me | 15:13 |
| fregl | while I would love to force the plugin on everyone, the currently packaged version is not good enough | 15:13 |
| fregl | agateau: for me this setting works. I forgot this idea after having it before... | 15:13 |
| agateau | didrocks: want me to check with TheMuso and prepare an SRU for this? | 15:13 |
| agateau | :) | 15:13 |
| fregl | thanks for poking me about it again :) | 15:14 |
| agateau | fregl: you're welcome :) | 15:14 |
| didrocks | agateau: that would be delightful! | 15:14 |
| * agateau is a delightful person | 15:14 | |
| didrocks | thanks fregl and agateau to look at this! :) | 15:14 |
| fregl | it will also make those kde peeps happy. they didn't like my beautiful qt-at-spi polluting bugs.kde.org :s | 15:15 |
| fregl | and for people needing accessibility... :( next release will rock :) | 15:15 |
| fregl | I still do think that the qt-at-spi package is buggy for me... though it works on unity which I can't explain... | 15:17 |
| agateau | mck182: just found out a neat S5 trick: press T on the indicate slides to disable stylesheet. Should be much more readable. | 15:20 |
| agateau | fregl: don't try to explain, that could break it! | 15:20 |
| mck182 | agateau: ah, cool, thanks | 15:21 |
| mterry | Hello! I'm looking at some NBS issues and I discovered that koffice Build-Depends on libjpeg62-dev. I'd like to make that libjpeg-dev to pick up libjpeg8 (doing a test build now with that change). Does anyone know any reason that would be a mistake? | 15:33 |
| groo_ | Quintasan_: | 16:51 |
| groo_ | question | 16:51 |
| groo_ | should i port libmygpo-qt 1.0.5 for amarok new release in oneiric? | 16:51 |
| groo_ | or go without? | 16:52 |
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| groo_ | since only amarok uses it, i think its kinda safe to provide it | 16:57 |
| groo_ | Riddell: ping | 17:20 |
| debfx | mterry: using libjpeg-dev sounds good, but I think koffice doesn't build currently | 18:00 |
| debfx | until we manage to upload some more kde 4.7.3 packages | 18:00 |
| mterry | debfx, it built for me with the jpeg change | 18:00 |
| mterry | debfx, was about to upload the change | 18:00 |
| debfx | ah right, it doesn't build-depend on kde-sc-dev-latest | 18:01 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| debfx | yofel: what's blocking the prison package in Debian? haven't found a sponsor? | 18:08 |
| yofel | pretty much | 18:08 |
| yofel | guess they didn't need it yet... | 18:09 |
| yofel | as 4.7 isn't in unstable yet | 18:09 |
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| bambee | evening | 18:13 |
| CIA-56 | [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepimlibs] Philip Muškovac * 151 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.7.3-0ubuntu1 | 18:15 |
| CIA-56 | [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-baseapps] Philip Muškovac * 197 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.7.3-0ubuntu1 | 18:18 |
| === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech | ||
| CIA-56 | [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokegen] Philip Muškovac * 15 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.7.3-0ubuntu1 | 19:14 |
| debfx | yofel: if you don't mind I'll add myself as uploader and try to find someone who uploads it | 19:53 |
| yofel | go ahead | 19:53 |
| debfx | first let's see if we can multiarch'ify it | 19:55 |
| === amichairo is now known as amichair | ||
| === amichair is now known as amichair_ | ||
| claydoh | good evening folks! | 22:08 |
| ScottK | http://itechreport.com.au/2011/10/30/review-kubuntu-10-11/ | 22:20 |
| debfx | fabo: I've managed to build qtcreator 2.4 beta on armel (in case you are interested in pushing that to Debian) | 22:47 |
| BarkingFish | devs, I need your help. I've been looking for a plugin for dolphin, and #kde suggest it's something my distro may not have enabled by default (if it's still integrated). There was a local plugin for video thumbnailing (rather than adding ffmpegthumbs or the mplayer equivalent). | 23:11 |
| BarkingFish | It was provided in dolphins settings when I was on mandriva, back at kde 4.4.5 - whether it's still available, and something you may not have enabled, I don't know. | 23:11 |
| BarkingFish | Either way, I need to find it if it's still in existence :) | 23:11 |
| apachelogger | someone tell barkingfish that there never was such a thing | 23:37 |
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