[01:17] <Riddell> fregl: hmm, recompiling the 11.10 qt-at-spi package doesn't make any crashes go away forme
[01:50] <wendar> do you all have some UDS highlights I can include in the quick wrapup summary?
[01:50] <wendar> I'm running through the etherpad docs
[01:58] <Riddell> wendar: hmm, focusing on quality for the LTS
[01:58] <Riddell> but also new flavour Kubuntu Active for tablets and mobiles
[01:59] <wendar> Riddell: makes sense. I've got that quality at the top as the theme for the whole week
[01:59] <Riddell> possibly switching to LightDM, possibly to telepathy-kde
[01:59] <Riddell> fixing accessibility and CJK
[02:01] <wendar> awesome, thanks!
[02:17] <wendar> oh, are you planning to apply as an LTS release?
[02:22] <wendar> (I'm assuming so, just thought to check when I saw Edubuntu's plans)
[02:38] <valorie> Supper_slash: Amarok would like your help
[02:38] <valorie> we need some icons
[02:40] <valorie> http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/amarok/2011-November/032816.html
[03:59] <valorie> apachelogger: http://goo.gl/9jVSJ
[04:00] <valorie> from http://animalsdressedasotheranimals.tumblr.com/ which is all the sugar a person needs!
[06:40] <Supper_slash> Cool. ill see what i can do. Sorry for the late delay.
[07:05] <Supper_slash> valorie, i sent a e-mail. maby ill get the "Job" lol.
[07:11] <valorie> super!
[07:14] <Supper_slash> Man it has been a life time since i last used irc. i remember useing a 133MHZ cpu system, that cost 2000+ dollars new! Woah! Thats a long time ago.
[07:17] <valorie> for leet hackers only!
[07:17]  * valorie has been on IRC since 2001, and I was still using windows
[07:25] <Supper_slash> ha ha. yes. that 133 was the envy of the block!
[09:42] <agateau> morning kubuntu devs!
[09:43] <agateau> I am in the process of packaging massif-visualizer, I am following maco guide to do so ( http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2010/08/is-packaging-new-software-hard.html )
[09:43] <agateau> is it appropriate for kde packages or is there something more kde-oriented available?
[09:49] <valorie> agateau: the official guide is here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved/Development
[09:49] <agateau> valorie: thanks!
[09:49] <valorie> :-)
[10:11] <agateau> damn, this copyright file seems to be tricky to get right
[10:11] <agateau> do we have a tool to list all authors?
[10:15] <valorie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#copyright
[10:15] <valorie> might help
[10:17] <debfx> agateau: licensecheck -r --copyright
[10:17] <debfx> that lists all files with the license and copyright holders
[10:18] <agateau> valorie: debfx: thanks
[10:18]  * agateau tries licensecheck
[12:24] <agateau> it seems some apps like to have a copy of libkdchart in their sources
[12:25] <agateau> is this a known problem?
[12:25] <agateau> it would probably be nicer to have a libkdchart package
[12:57] <agateau> Riddell: hey my fellow francophone friend, any opinion on this libkdchart thing? ^
[13:27] <mck182> hey kubuntu devs, I have a question about the message-indicator plasmoid in 11.10
[13:27] <mck182> I see there's a telepathy plugin for that among my packages
[13:27] <mck182> how does that work with telepathy?
[13:30] <debfx> oh that reminds me
[13:31] <debfx> agateau: are there any upstream translations of plasma-widget-message-indicator that can be used by other distros?
[13:32] <debfx> and do you have an idea how to make the desktop file translatable without relying on pkg-kde-tools?
[13:33] <agateau> debfx: Right now all translations (.po and .desktop) come from Launchpad, not sure how other distros can use them
[13:34] <agateau> mck182: message-indicator plasmoid uses libindicate-qt, which is a qt binding for libindicate,
[13:35] <agateau> mck182: I assume telepathy-indicator uses libindicate to register itself and thus show up in the plasmoid
[13:36] <mck182> agateau: this doesn't work with kde-telepathy, so I assume there is some need to register ourselves there...right?
[13:37] <mck182> currently I have 3 accounts online, neither one shows in there...so that package is probably for empathy
[13:38] <mck182> well, on the other hand, I actually don't know how is this supposed to work :)
[13:38] <agateau> mck182: I wrote some slides about the subject, let me look for them
[13:39] <mck182> agateau: that'd be great, thanks
[13:40] <debfx> hm maybe I can export them from launchpad but it would be nice to have them integrate into the official tarball
[13:42] <agateau> mck182: http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/indicate/uds-dallas-presentation/index.html
[13:42] <agateau> mck182: but it seems the source code examples are quite mangled :/
[13:43] <mck182> agateau: ok, so the server in this case is the plasmoid, right?
[13:43] <agateau> mck182: no
[13:43] <mck182> ok, went too fast over that :P
[13:43] <agateau> mck182: the app instantiate a "server" = the top-level item in the menu
[13:44] <mck182> ah
[13:44] <agateau> mck182: then one or more indicators = the 2nd level items in the menu
[13:44] <mck182> makes perfect sense
[13:44] <agateau> mck182: the plasmoid uses the Listener class, which you don't need on your side
[13:44] <mck182> right
[13:44] <agateau> I have to run for an errand, should be back in 30 mins
[13:45] <mck182> thanks for now :)
[13:48] <rando_uu> hi, is this the right channel to ask about kubuntu packaging?
[13:50] <jussi> rando_uu: certainly is :)
[13:52] <mck182> agateau: how does KStatusNotifier fits into this then?
[13:57] <rando_uu> allright, i have successfully built packages for some plasma-widgets, but with a certain widget I get a ctest error (http://pastebin.com/PDgep6SY) when I try to build the package (both local and on launchpad)  
[13:58] <rando_uu> am I missing something in the control file or some other packaging magic or is the source broken?
[14:12] <agateau> back
[14:13] <agateau> mck182: it is a different concept from KStatusNotifierItem,
[14:14] <agateau> mck182: it does not really make sense to have both running at the same time
[14:14] <mck182> I see
[14:15] <agateau> rando_uu: those tests need an X server to run. There is no X server running on the lp builders, you have to either a) disable the tests, b) fix the tests to not require an X server or c) start xvfb before the tests (that one is tricky)
[14:18] <txwikinger> We should maybe participate here: http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1089/community-promotion-ads-1h-2011
[14:20] <rando_uu> agateau: thx i guessed there is no xserver running on lp but it did not build on my local system with x running either, guess I'd need xvfb on my local system too, I'll probably just disable the tests ;) 
[14:27] <agateau> mck182: I just crudely fixed the slides, trading syntax highlighting for full text :)
[14:29] <mck182> agateau: hehe, I think it's worse now :P
[14:30] <agateau> mck182: you may need to reload
[14:30] <agateau> fregl: hey, we get quite a few reports from kde apps crashing if a11y is enabled in Oneiric: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt-at-spi/+bug/877358
[14:30] <mck182> agateau: the text goes out of the screen for me and there's no way to make it smaller :(
[14:30] <agateau> anyone seen those? I tried to reproduce but haven't managed yet
[14:31] <agateau> mck182: ctrl+- does not work?
[14:31] <mck182> agateau: no, it automagically resizes back
[14:31] <agateau> mck182: damn, I was told S5 was not a good idea, I'll fix this
[14:31] <mck182> ;)
[14:39] <Supper_slash> Good morning!
[14:46] <fregl> agateau: back
[14:46] <fregl> agateau: I had some crashes, I can probably reproduce
[14:47] <agateau> fregl: the backtraces look like the code is trying to use a NULL pointer
[14:47] <fregl> give me a sec, I need to finish one other thing first
[14:52] <donovan> good day. ive been trying to get holf of rbelem for help with installing plasma active on kubuntu. is anyone else perhaps able to help.
[14:52] <donovan> thanks very much if you can
[14:53] <fregl> agateau: I briefly looked at this with Riddell and didrocks  - the  problem is that the state of the qt-at-spi bridge in the package is not great. neither is the implementation of accessible things inside qt in 4.7. I fixed 4.8 mostly.
[14:54] <agateau> fregl: so the fix is to upgrade to 4.8, right?
[14:54] <fregl> in the case of people running kde apps in unity I wonder what the sensible solution is. 1) no accessibility needed: do not expose the env var - so maybe we should check more carefully when that is exposed 2) accessibility needed - you are screwed
[14:55] <fregl> and yes, 4.8 solves a lot of this and if there are bugs in 4.8 I would love to fix them. for 4.7 it is almost impossible without major backporting
[14:55] <fregl> so I was thinking maybe we check the wrong gconf setting at the moment - can someone check which setting is actually used for orca to enable speech?
[14:56] <fregl> because for me, no matter what I do after logging in to unity and enabling a11y once and then disabling it again, the plugin gets loaded and the var set
[14:56] <fregl> the var is set by at-spi2-core btw
[14:56] <fregl> that's the package
[14:57] <fregl> agateau: ^
[14:57] <agateau> fregl: yes I found that
[14:58]  * agateau reads the script again
[14:58] <fregl> also I found that on my system for some strange reason it even crashes with no screen reader running. recompiling qt-at-spi from the package (apt-get sources) and installing my new package helped. I can reproduce - switching to qt-at-spi from the ubuntu repo I get crashes with no screenreader running. my self build package doesn't.
[14:58] <fregl> also I think gnome has several settings inside the a11y module
[14:59] <fregl> in universal access there is one checkbox/slider that is "screen reader". I think the value of that one is the right one. hm, it's set to on here again, I wonder why.
[14:59] <agateau> fregl: the script does not do anything desktop-specific: as long as "gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.interface toolkit-accessibility" prints "true", QT_ACCESSIBILITY is set
[15:00] <agateau> that explains why you get it on KDE as well
[15:00] <fregl> agateau: I know. we identified not running that in a kde session as a half assed fix. but now thinking about running kde apps in gnome sessions... it doesn't help
[15:00] <fregl> yes
[15:01] <fregl> agateau: where is the script installed again?
[15:01] <agateau> fregl: yes, we do want those unity users to get used to kde apps :)
[15:01] <agateau> fregl: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90qt-a11y
[15:01] <fregl> thx
[15:01] <fregl> yep
[15:02] <fregl> agateau: I think it checks the wrong setting
[15:02] <agateau> fregl: oh
[15:02] <agateau> didrocks: ^
[15:03] <fregl> but I don't know which one the right one is
[15:03] <fregl> do I need to use dconf for that?
[15:03] <fregl> the setting it checks is true for my machine, no matter what I set for screen reader
[15:03] <agateau> fregl: gsettings is the higher level tool for dconf
[15:04] <didrocks> sorry, didn't follow the discussion, quite busy with other things
[15:04] <agateau> didrocks: let me summarize,
[15:04] <didrocks> thanks :)
[15:04] <agateau> didrocks: fregl and I were talking about the bug reports on kde apps crash when a11y is enabled
[15:05] <agateau> didrocks: and fregl believes we do not check the correct setting in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90qt-a11y
[15:06] <agateau> didrocks: I am not qualified to say if that is right :)
[15:07] <fregl> I'm not sure either - but maybe you can check - in gnome-control-center/universal access is a screen reader button
[15:07] <didrocks> oh, that's more that possible
[15:07] <fregl> toggling that does not affect the setting for me
[15:07] <didrocks> gsettings is maybe not from the right user
[15:07] <didrocks> I already pinged TheMuso when he wrote that script
[15:07] <didrocks> (twice actually)
[15:07] <fregl> didrocks: I think the user is right but the setting  not
[15:07] <didrocks> didn't get any feedback
[15:07] <didrocks> hum, like?
[15:08] <didrocks> it returns false to me
[15:08] <didrocks> which means, there is a setting and schema
[15:08] <didrocks> (otherwise gsettings will abort if no schema was installed)
[15:08] <fregl> didrocks: yes, but it always returns true after you switch on screen reader and switch it off again I think
[15:09] <fregl> so I think this setting is too general
[15:09] <didrocks> ah, more than possible
[15:10] <didrocks> the most knowlewdgeable about it right now is TheMuso I guess
[15:11] <agateau> the thing is, fixing this would avoid crashes for users with no a11y need, but won't help those who do need a11y, right?
[15:12] <fregl> agateau: didrocks gsettings get  org.gnome.desktop.a11y.applications screen-reader-enabled
[15:12] <fregl> this is much much better afaict
[15:12] <fregl> this will make crashes disappear as long as orca is not running
[15:13] <agateau> fregl: sounds good to me
[15:13] <fregl> while I would love to force the plugin on everyone, the currently packaged version is not good enough
[15:13] <fregl> agateau: for me this setting works. I forgot this idea after having it before...
[15:13] <agateau> didrocks: want me to check with TheMuso and prepare an SRU for this?
[15:13] <agateau> :)
[15:14] <fregl> thanks for poking me about it again :)
[15:14] <agateau> fregl: you're welcome :)
[15:14] <didrocks> agateau: that would be delightful!
[15:14]  * agateau is a delightful person
[15:14] <didrocks> thanks fregl and agateau to look at this! :)
[15:15] <fregl> it will also make those kde peeps happy. they didn't like my beautiful qt-at-spi polluting bugs.kde.org :s
[15:15] <fregl> and for people needing accessibility... :( next release will rock :)
[15:17] <fregl> I still do think that the qt-at-spi package is buggy for me... though it works on unity which I can't explain...
[15:20] <agateau> mck182: just found out a neat S5 trick: press T on the indicate slides to disable stylesheet. Should be much more readable.
[15:20] <agateau> fregl: don't try to explain, that could break it!
[15:21] <mck182> agateau: ah, cool, thanks
[15:33] <mterry> Hello!  I'm looking at some NBS issues and I discovered that koffice Build-Depends on libjpeg62-dev.  I'd like to make that libjpeg-dev to pick up libjpeg8 (doing a test build now with that change).  Does anyone know any reason that would be a mistake?
[16:51] <groo_> Quintasan_: 
[16:51] <groo_> question
[16:51] <groo_> should i port libmygpo-qt 1.0.5 for amarok new release in oneiric?
[16:52] <groo_> or go without?
[16:57] <groo_> since only amarok uses it, i think its kinda safe to provide it
[17:20] <groo_> Riddell: ping
[18:00] <debfx> mterry: using libjpeg-dev sounds good, but I think koffice doesn't build currently
[18:00] <debfx> until we manage to upload some more kde 4.7.3 packages
[18:00] <mterry> debfx, it built for me with the jpeg change
[18:00] <mterry> debfx, was about to upload the change
[18:01] <debfx> ah right, it doesn't build-depend on kde-sc-dev-latest
[18:08] <debfx> yofel: what's blocking the prison package in Debian? haven't found a sponsor?
[18:08] <yofel> pretty much
[18:09] <yofel> guess they didn't need it yet...
[18:09] <yofel> as 4.7 isn't in unstable yet
[18:13] <bambee> evening
[18:15] <CIA-56> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepimlibs] Philip Muškovac * 151 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.7.3-0ubuntu1
[18:18] <CIA-56> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-baseapps] Philip Muškovac * 197 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.7.3-0ubuntu1
[19:14] <CIA-56> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokegen] Philip Muškovac * 15 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.7.3-0ubuntu1
[19:53] <debfx> yofel: if you don't mind I'll add myself as uploader and try to find someone who uploads it
[19:53] <yofel> go ahead
[19:55] <debfx> first let's see if we can multiarch'ify it
[22:08] <claydoh> good evening folks!
[22:20] <ScottK> http://itechreport.com.au/2011/10/30/review-kubuntu-10-11/
[22:47] <debfx> fabo: I've managed to build qtcreator 2.4 beta on armel (in case you are interested in pushing that to Debian)
[23:11] <BarkingFish> devs, I need your help.  I've been looking for a plugin for dolphin, and #kde suggest it's something my distro may not have enabled by default (if it's still integrated).  There was a local plugin for video thumbnailing (rather than adding ffmpegthumbs or the mplayer equivalent).
[23:11] <BarkingFish> It was provided in dolphins settings when I was on mandriva, back at kde 4.4.5 - whether it's still available, and something you may not have enabled, I don't know.
[23:11] <BarkingFish> Either way, I need to find it if it's still in existence :)
[23:37] <apachelogger> someone tell barkingfish that there never was such a thing