[00:00] <HrznDefeated> Hello all.  I have an ubuntu application installer that complains it only supports 10.04 LTS when I run it.  I am currently running 11.10.  Is there any convenient way to trick the installer in to thinking my system is 10.04?
[00:19] <HrznDefeated> Nevermind I found the answer-- editing /etc/lsb-release
[00:58] <zorael> Can anyone familiar with oxygen-gtk take a look at http://i.imgur.com/MrriG.png ?
[00:59] <zorael> Affects all GTK programs (including oxygen-gtk-demo), on all users
[01:00] <zorael> I've cleared out ~/.kde/{cache,tmp}-hostname and rebuilt ksycoca with --noincremental, but nothing helps
[01:01] <zorael> I've tried oxygen-gtk from git and the issue persists
[01:29] <Nickmh> Hi all
[01:52] <burfl_> anyone here familiar with samba?
[01:54] <burfl_> i take that as a no?
[02:30] <OvermindDL1> Is there any voice command app that works with kubuntu?  Just wanting to be able to create/train commands for various configurable commands and/or scripts?
[02:31] <well_laid_lawn> !info espeak
[02:31] <OvermindDL1> espeak synthesizes speech, it does not recognize speech
[02:31] <OvermindDL1> I use espeak quite often in many of my scripts
[02:31] <OvermindDL1> Obviously not what I am looking for
[02:33] <jeiworth> OvermindDL1: iirc there is a software called simon
[02:34] <OvermindDL1> Checking, thanks for the name
[02:36] <OvermindDL1> Hrmm, the ppa http://ppa.launchpad.net/grasch-simon-listens/simon/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/source/Sources is not found...
[02:36] <OvermindDL1> Apparently not updated, does anyone know if it works well with 11.04/11.10 if compiled manually?
[02:38] <jeiworth> hmm did you check their website?
[02:38] <OvermindDL1> Yes, even their own distribution only goes up to 10.10
[02:45] <keithzg> Looks like "julius" is in the repos, no idea if that'll do what you want though, but it's a speech recognition engine.
[02:48] <OvermindDL1> Looks interesting, thanks
[02:52] <jeiworth> keithzg: thx for the tip, interesting project :)
[02:54] <chronos> there is some plugin to yakuake / konsole to paste to some site (gist, pastebin, etc)?
[02:57] <well_laid_lawn> !info pastebinit
[02:58] <chronos> but how integrate it with konsole/yakuake/
[02:58] <chronos> ?
[03:04] <keithzg> err, it's console-based, isn't it already then?
[03:12] <g0rs> is any familiar with ksokoban ?  its a game on kubuntu or linux in general.
[03:27] <kirtah> Hi all :) Some of my NTFS partitions are being mounted automatically to /mount, but I haven't configured them in /etc/fstab. They appear along the left in Dolphin. Any idea what program is doing this?
[03:29] <DarthFrog> kirtah: They may have been configured to do so when you installed the OS.  You can edit fstab manually and comment out the mounts.
[03:30] <kirtah> DarthFrog: Oh ok, thanks. I'm seeing a couple entries I don't recognize with UUID's, must be it. :)
[03:31] <DarthFrog> kirtah: Never mind the UUIDs, what filesytem are they?
[03:31] <DarthFrog> UUID = Unique Unix ID
[03:32] <kirtah> DarthFrog: Oh I'm sorry, they're my ext4 root and swap area. The NTFS drives aren't here.
[03:32] <kirtah> DarthFrog: I spoke incorrectly earlier, they're not mounted to /mount, they appear in /media
[03:32] <DarthFrog> kirtah:  :-)  That's why I told you to look at the file systems.  You'd not want to disable them!
[03:32] <kirtah> DarthFrog Indeed xD
[03:33] <DarthFrog> Tho' disabling swap wouldn't necessarily be a problem.
[03:35] <kirtah> DarthFrog: Oh well, I guess it's not a problem if they're not actually mounted. :)
[03:36] <DarthFrog> kirtah: If they're in /media, they're mounted.
[03:38] <kirtah> DarthFrog: Well before I restarted both were mounted there. After restarting, they didn't appear for a little while, and only one has appeared since. So I was just curious if there's some program I'm not familiar that looks for removable media and mounts them there behind the scenes
[03:42] <DarthFrog> kirtah:  Use the Device Notifier icon in your systray to unmount them.
[03:43] <DarthFrog> kirtah: And inspect its settings as it does automounting.
[03:43] <kirtah> DarthFrog: Oh excellent! Thanks
[03:52] <jmichaelx> i have a desktop that was upgraded to oneiric which sometimes does not fully shut down, and seemingly no longer powers the monitor off, though it is set to... the shutdown problem is something that occurred a LONG time ago (like hardy?) but had never returned until now. the issue with the monitor not powering off is brand new
[03:53] <jmichaelx> this is one of the  dell inspiron 530's that came with ubuntu pre-installed
[03:53] <jmichaelx> several years ago
[04:13] <romeyro> does anyone tried to install backtrack tools on kubuntu ?
[04:18] <DarthFrog> romeyro:  What do backtrack tools do?
[04:21] <NlessKnight> Backtrack tools as in aircrack and the like?
[04:29] <romeyro> NlessKnight: yes
[04:30] <romeyro> NlessKnight: aireplay aircrack, airodump...
[04:31] <NlessKnight> A lot, I've found, are in the repos. aircrack-ng, for example, is, as is dsniff.
[04:32] <adarshajoisa> how can i make my okular open chm documents?
[05:22] <tohuw> Just installed Kubuntu 11.10. Is there some reason why none of my widgets can access the Internet?
[05:34] <tohuw> Just installed Kubuntu 11.10. Is there some reason why none of my widgets can access the Internet?
[05:38] <k2sta> how to set the time in grub menu from 10s to 5s?
[05:40] <k2sta> anyone?
[05:40] <tohuw> k2sta: Assuming GRUB2, edit /etc/default/grub and change GRUB_TIMEOUT or GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT, then grub-mkconfig, then grub-update
[05:41] <k2sta> how do i know whether i have grub 2 or grub 1?
[05:41] <tohuw> k2sta: quick and dirty way, check for the existance of /etc/default/grub
[05:42] <tohuw> k2sta: correct way: grub-install -v
[05:43] <tohuw> k2sta: (grub 1.99 is the default with Ubuntu 11.10. If you have that version, my instructions above work).
[05:43] <k2sta> tohuw: thanks it works.
[05:43] <tohuw> You're welcome
[05:51] <sk8trasher> hello
[05:52] <tohuw> !hello | sk8trasher
[05:53] <sk8trasher> hi tohum
[05:53] <sk8trasher> excuse me for my bad english
[05:54] <tohuw> sk8trasher: when using mose IRC clients, you can use the tab key to auto-complete a name. For instace, to type your name, I just type sk8 and press tab.
[05:54] <tohuw> sk8trasher: what is your native language? There are several language-specific channels as well.
[05:54] <sk8trasher> ok same as a shell
[05:55] <tohuw> Yes. :)
[05:56] <tohuw> Is there some reason why none of my KDE widgets can access the Internet? (KDE 4.7.3, Kubuntu 11.10, fresh install)
[05:57] <sk8trasher> I useQuasse IRC under gnome
[05:58] <sk8trasher> I must go working
[05:58] <sk8trasher> shit
[05:58] <sk8trasher> f**k
[06:02] <tohuw> !language | sk8trasher
[06:02] <sk8trasher> ok excuse
[06:10] <sk8trasher> hi
[06:11] <sk8trasher> where i am
[06:11] <sk8trasher> what's name of this chanel ?
[06:13] <tohuw> What an odd question...
[06:30] <uberdub> Can anyone help troubleshoot why everything freezes wihen my netbook suspends.?
[06:30] <uberdub> Just started doing it
[06:30] <uberdub> was fine for a year
[06:31] <uberdub> Seemed to do it after update to 11.10
[06:31] <noaXess> good morning
[06:31] <uberdub> morning...or in my case evening
[06:32] <noaXess> do anybody know a little app/widget to track the time of tasks/work/projects?.. i used ktimetracker.. but it's buggy..
[06:32] <uberdub> never had a need for an app like that, sorry cant help
[06:33] <uberdub> Im trying to figure why my graphics driver, and vid card works sometimes, and sometimes not
[06:34] <uberdub> damn nvidia
[07:25] <noaXess> does a gnome applet work/run under kde?
[07:37] <k2sta> my laptop overheat after installing kubuntu 11.10 64bit. Temperature went up to 80 celcius. after installing graphic driver and useing i915.i915_enable_rc6=1 and pcie_aspm=force temperature went down to 55 to 65. but the fan keep spinning fast. please help to set my laptop fan speed?
[07:40] <roel_> I'm searching for a good SIP-client (phone) for Kubuntu 10.04?
[07:42] <uberdub> skype is good
[07:43] <uberdub> kphone, linphone
[07:47] <roel_> k thnx
[07:51] <gabrielfilip> good morning
[07:54] <k2sta> sorry to ask this stupid question. But where is the update manager in kubuntu. In ubuntu I had one update manager???
[07:58] <k2sta> kubuntu has software centre and package manager. but where is update manager?
[08:27] <uberdub> k2sta: which version kubuntu? 11.10 is apper, used to be kpackagekit
[08:28] <uberdub> less bloat would be apt-get highly recommend
[08:35] <Tm_T> whops
[08:36] <Unit193> Good job :P
[08:42] <NlessKnight> Sooo. A question.  I've got Jupiter on my netbook to help with power consumption control - to its credit, it's working quite well.  However, everytime I login, the icon fails to appear, and it tells me the icon has been whitelisted for next time.  Any suggestions as to how to actually make the thing show up?
[08:42] <k2sta> just want to confirm how to update in terminal? is it sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade?
[08:43] <NlessKnight> K2: that's be it.
[08:43] <k2sta> NlessKnight: how did you install jupiter?
[08:44] <k2sta> did you use the webupd8 PPA?
[08:44] <NlessKnight> Yep.
[08:45] <k2sta> mine is working well. Did you install sudo apt-get install jupiter-support-eee libmono-i18n2.0-cil libmono-winforms2.0-cil libgamin0
[08:46] <NlessKnight> Oh, it seems to be working fine.  The applet just refuses to come up.
[08:46] <k2sta> after install sudo apt-get install jupiter
[08:46] <NlessKnight> Maybe I'll try purging/reinstalling it.
[08:47] <davide_> hello
[09:08] <k2sta> kubuntu just hang... and recovered. what did i miss?
[09:09] <valorie> kubuntu users - click a few times to get the KDE e.V. some money
[09:09] <valorie> http://linuxgrandma.blogspot.com/2011/11/help-kde-ev-secure-funding-for-sprint.html
[09:09] <valorie> over 250 nicks in here -- that could be 750 votes!
[09:09] <valorie> do it!
[09:10] <k2sta> how to trust you
[09:11] <valorie> how to trust kubuntu?
[09:11] <valorie> you could look at top in the console
[09:11] <valorie> see what is sucking all your memory
[09:12] <k2sta> i'm not clicking it.
[09:13] <well_laid_lawn> k2sta: valorie has been a long time helper in here
[09:13] <well_laid_lawn> she's a good egg ;)
[09:14] <valorie> oh, that's my blog
[09:14] <valorie> geez
[09:15] <valorie> there isn't even any ads on it
[09:15] <valorie> but whatever
[09:15] <valorie> http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2011/10/10/help-kde-e-v-secure-funding-for-a-sprint-with-just-a-few-clicks/
[09:15] <valorie> lydia's blog - member of the e.V. Board
[09:15] <valorie> or ya know, planetkde.org
[09:15] <k2sta> valorie: its in german language. I can't read it.
[09:16] <well_laid_lawn> I didn't think anyone could find linuxgrandma.blogspot threatening at all
[09:16] <valorie> http://planetkde.org
[09:16] <k2sta> anyway I clicked it already. ;)
[09:16] <valorie> right, which is why in the blogs we called out the names of the buttons
[09:16] <valorie> cool -- remember that it's a multistep thing, and you can vote 3 times
[09:16] <valorie> which means doing the whole thing 3 times
[09:17] <valorie> a bit tedious, but $1000 can go a long ways towards funding a sprint
[09:18] <soulthreads> valorie, done.
[09:19] <baxeico> hi, someone can tell me how to upgrade to kde sc 4.7 in kubuntu natty?
[09:19] <baxeico> (I don't want to upgrade the whole distro)
[09:20] <soulthreads> bambee, kubuntu-ppa/backports?
[09:21] <k2sta> valorie: done Rang 748 Stimmen 3.711 after I click.
[09:21] <soulthreads> oops.
[09:21] <valorie> cool!
[09:21] <valorie> you can do it three times
[09:22] <soulthreads> As always, I chosen wrong nick. :)
[09:22] <valorie> which I urge you to do
[09:22] <valorie> :-)
[09:22] <soulthreads> baxeico, use kubuntu-ppa.
[09:23] <baxeico> soulthreads: I already have this line
[09:23] <baxeico> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu natty main
[09:23] <baxeico> but I cannot see any updates in aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade
[09:24] <soulthreads> baxeico, replace /ppa/ with /backports/
[09:24] <baxeico> soulthreads: thanks, I will try
[09:25] <baxeico> soulthreads: to your knowledge, this also update kmail to kmail2?
[09:25] <baxeico> this is the main reason why I DON'T upgrade to onereic
[09:26] <soulthreads> baxeico, don't know, because I don't use kmail.
[09:26] <valorie> I believe it will
[09:27] <valorie> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail2
[09:27] <valorie> for the precise information
[09:28] <baxeico> valorie: so upgrading only kde to kde 4.7 sticking with Kubuntu Natty is not an option to have the latest kde with the good old kmail 1?
[09:29] <baxeico> I already read that wiki, but AFAIK is related to onereic
[09:31] <soulthreads> baxeico, well, I can't see any kmail there: https://launchpad.net/%7Ekubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+index?batch=75&memo=150&start=150
[09:32] <k2sta> kubuntu seriously need a GUI update manager.
[09:33] <soulthreads> baxeico, so maybe your kmail1 will work.
[09:38] <hexacode> hey wheres i the config.mc or is it ml   for sendmail?   im in the newest ubuntu...and yes ive read the documentation...and there is no config i can seem to find
[09:41] <valorie> usually they are in .kde
[09:43] <k2sta> i did a clean install of kubuntu 11.10. do i need to add kubuntu ppa from this site http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-473??
[09:44] <szal> if you can live with KDE 4.7.2 for the next 5 months or more, you don't _need_ to
[09:44] <valorie> yes, if you want 4.7.3
[09:44] <valorie> that reminds me that I haven't done that
[09:45] <NlessKnight> Hm.  tried the purge/reinstall plan a few times.   No dice.
[09:45] <koch> Hi guys ,
[09:46] <koch> compilator of C++ on linux
[09:46] <szal> koch: whole sentences
[09:47] <NlessKnight> I never cease to be amused - package to download - 147mb.  Extra space used afterward: 1.2 mb.
[09:47] <valorie> woah, this is a big upgrade
[09:47] <well_laid_lawn> koch: do you have build-essential installed?
[09:47] <soulthreads> szal, 4.7.3 will be in the main repository after 5 months?..
[09:47] <szal> soulthreads: no
[09:48] <szal> soulthreads: in 5 months 12.04 is supposed to be out
[09:48] <soulthreads> szal, ah, ok.
[09:48] <koch> failed
[09:49] <NlessKnight> Ha.  About 1/3 the size of this upgrade appears to be the wallpaper package.
[09:50] <koch> thnks bye
[09:51] <k2sta> ok guys. I'm going to go for 4.7.3. i need to cut off this connection bye.
[09:51] <soulthreads> NlessKnight, wallpaper is the most important part of my life! It doesn't matter that I see it only once in month.
[09:52] <NlessKnight> But you know it's there, and that's the important part. :P
[09:52] <szal> lol
[09:52] <well_laid_lawn> !lol
[09:52] <szal> well_laid_lawn: are you allergic to 'lol' or something?
[09:53] <well_laid_lawn> most stupid sentence ever
[09:53] <well_laid_lawn> and I'm not alone on that
[09:53] <szal> must be a reason if you go on a 'lol-hunt' after one single occurrence
[09:54] <well_laid_lawn> there's a bot link for a reason
[09:54] <szal> yes, and that reason just didn't apply hiere
[09:54] <soulthreads> > regular basis
[09:54] <szal> *here
[09:54] <well_laid_lawn> you didn't read it then
[09:54] <szal> well_laid_lawn: which of 'on a regular basis' didn't you get then?
[09:55] <szal> it says at no point that you may not use it at all
[09:55] <well_laid_lawn>  This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required
[09:56]  * szal sets mode +pedant well_laid_lawn
[09:56] <well_laid_lawn> heh at least that's a sentence
[10:00] <szal> bottom line: also read !botabuse, and use your brain instead of blindly following guidelines
[10:00] <well_laid_lawn> !guidelines | szal
[10:01] <szal> !botabuse | well_laid_lawn
[10:01] <soulthreads> well_laid_lawn, you maybe know that "lol" was wide-spread even in Usenet. And in IRC, yes.
[10:02] <well_laid_lawn> I'll refer you to the bots previous response about this being irc not im
[10:02] <valorie> I think maybe even before IM
[10:02]  * valorie was online at 300 baud
[10:03]  * szal has been in IRC long enough to know that 'lol' is by no means exotic in IRC
[10:03] <jussi> well_laid_lawn: let it be, being so strict isnt useful.
[10:03] <szal> jussi: word
[10:03] <valorie> I could outtype the buffer back then
[10:03] <valorie> BBSs ftw!
[10:06] <soulthreads> valorie, well, updating the kubuntu at 300 baud is a terrible nightmare. :)
[10:06] <valorie> rofl!
[10:06] <valorie> I never even heard of an "upgrade" back then
[10:06] <valorie> progress was a bit slower then
[10:07] <szal> back in those days there was no KDE anyway ;)
[10:11] <valorie> for sure
[10:11] <valorie> my first computer was a Coleco ADAM
[10:11] <valorie> 80k!
[10:18] <gribouille2> hi
[10:18] <gribouille2> I've migrated from kde 4.6.2 to kde 4.7.3 and now, all my contacts are lost
[10:19] <szal> did you follow the migration guidelines?
[10:19] <szal> (see topic)
[10:20] <moonflux> gnah. kmail doesn't send any mails anymore. just drops them in the outbox and nil. might be since I upgraded to 4.7.3
[10:24] <valorie> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail2 | moonflux
[10:25] <moonflux> valorie: my bug isn't there. and kmail2 from 4.7.2 worked fine
[10:25] <moonflux> (I was on kmail2 on natty already)
[10:26] <valorie> ah, ok
[10:26] <valorie> sorry for the noise then
[10:26] <moonflux> np
[10:26] <valorie> btw, the issue of kmail not sending mail is why I had to drop 1
[10:27] <valorie> I had hoped it was cleared up now
[10:27] <valorie> :(
[10:27] <gribouille2> why "Email filters are not transferred" ?
[10:27] <valorie> I miss kmail a lot
[10:27] <moonflux> kmail1?
[10:28] <moonflux> it works finish for me. breaks here and there but I'm used to that
[10:29] <valorie> it worked beautifully until it didn't
[10:30] <valorie> crossing fingers for kmail in 4.7.3
[10:30] <valorie> getting rather sick of thunderbird
[10:38]  * soulthreads uses uses claws-mail and doesn't have any problem. Well, it is offtopic, yes.
[11:51] <szal> hmmmmmmmmmmm..  is there a PPA for more current Qt than what's in the distro (here: Oneiric) by default?
[12:09] <oxymoron> How do I install Quanta for latest Kubuntu?
[12:51] <shaggy_> night
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:17] <szal> moin BluesKaj
[13:17] <BluesKaj> hi szal
[13:39] <NJL> anybody else having issues with msn not connecting with kopete?
[13:49] <jussi> !brokenmsn | NJL
[13:53] <NJL> thanks heh
[13:53] <NJL> what about kopete?
[13:54] <NJL> nm :)
[13:54] <NJL> thanks again
[14:13] <fnewbie> Is there anyway we can recover or reset the root password if its been forgotten?
[14:13] <soulthreads> fnewbie, passwd root
[14:14] <soulthreads> with superuser privelegies, of course.
[14:15] <fnewbie> soulthreads : :( What if i don't have super previlages , in the sense the user is not in the Sudoers list. Then is there any way ?
[14:16] <soulthreads> fnewbie, well... boot from livecd, chroot to installed system and then "passwd root". :)
[14:18] <fnewbie> soulthreads : Oh cool . Thanks :)
[14:20] <soulthreads> Yes, it's a big security hole in Linux. If you can call it so.
[14:21] <fnewbie> soulthreads : That leads to another question . Can you do something with the root or password so that it can't be fixed even with a LIVECD . Only option would be reinstall?
[14:22] <soulthreads> fnewbie, afaik, no.
[14:22] <soulthreads> But, well, you can use cryptography!
[14:23] <soulthreads> To get access to crypted partition you need a password. That's it.
[14:23] <fnewbie> soulthreads : okay. thanks :) It doesn't matter from which live cd i boot right . I mean if i have 10.04 installed in the system and i boot from 11.10 Live cd i can still change the root password right?
[14:24] <soulthreads> fnewbie, almost only limitation is that you can't chroot from i686 to amd64. :)
[14:26] <fnewbie> soulthreads : So it doesn't matter from which Distro i am booting if the architecture is same ? I mean can i boot from a Fedora Live Cd and change the root password of Kubuntu in the System? Sorry i am a newbie , doubts may appear a bit silly
[14:26] <soulthreads> fnewbie, yes, you can.
[14:26] <fnewbie> soulthreads : Awesome :) thanks a lot.
[14:40] <Supper_slash> Good morning
[15:52] <daavis> hello! how to look up kcenter?
[15:52] <daavis> alt+f2 doesn't help
[15:52] <soulthreads> daavis, you mean systemsettings?
[15:53] <daavis> i mean this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KControl
[15:53] <daavis> kcontrol
[15:53] <daavis> sorry
[15:53] <soulthreads> daavis, well, it's called systemsettings in KDE4.
[15:54] <daavis> where is this kcontrol
[15:55] <soulthreads> You can make something like that by enabling Tree View.
[15:55] <daavis> well ok.. then.. how to turn off bouncing icon?
[15:56] <soulthreads> It is in notification settings.
[15:57] <daavis> yes
[15:57] <daavis> i found it
[15:57] <daavis> thank you
[15:59] <daavis> soulthreads, if you're still there.. How to set up kwin un startup?
[16:00] <BluesKaj> daavis, kmenu> computer>systemsettings>notifactions/launch feedback , for your bouncing icon options
[16:00] <soulthreads> daavis, sorry, I don't understand you.
[16:01] <daavis> BluesKaj, i allready did it. thank you, anyway :)
[16:01] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:01] <daavis> well, i have some problems.. to have nice kwin desktop, i have to do it wih konsole - "kwin --replace"
[16:01] <daavis> i want to run this command on startup
[16:02] <daavis> automatically
[16:03] <soulthreads> daavis, so as you start kde all your applications runs without borders?
[16:04] <daavis> sometimes
[16:04] <soulthreads> Strange.
[16:09] <jbwiv_> anyone having trouble setting time on 11.10? My daylight savings time didn't shift over for some reason, and now when I adjust time by right clicking on the clock, the time is never really applied (nor am I prompted for a superuser login) when I click apply. No error either :-/
[16:12] <daavis> now it's fine. i hope it's gona be that way
[16:24] <denys> I have a problem with Desktop effects - KWin reports  with notification "The following desktop effects could not be activated: " and lists the effects. Amoung the effects some I actually want to use: DesktopGrid, FlipSwitch etc
[16:24] <denys> how do I get more info on what is actually failing?
[16:24] <BluesKaj> denys, which graphics card ?
[16:25] <soulthreads> I have the same message on intel.
[16:25] <soulthreads> But suddenly it works. :)
[16:26] <denys> hmm not sure - this is work PC, how do I check that?
[16:27] <BluesKaj> denys, open a terminal and do. lspci | grep VGA
[16:27] <denys> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Cedar PRO [Radeon HD 5450]
[16:29] <daavis> why mozilla doesn't change it's outlook when theme is changed? fonts in menu looks terrible.. scroll bar as well. i want the same looking scroll bar as for folders
[16:30] <denys> BluesKaj: hmm, maybe i need ATI drivers?
[16:31] <soulthreads> denys, right.
[16:31] <soulthreads> afaik, there is no 3d support in opensource driver for hd5xxx yet.
[16:32] <denys> I see - will try that
[16:33] <soulthreads> daavis, firefox uses gtk through some nonobvius way.
[16:34] <daavis> is it possible to change it somehow?
[16:34] <BluesKaj> denys, yes , I'm not real familiar with ati onboards , it probly the xserver-xorg-video-radeon driver
[16:35] <daavis> as i see.. lot of non-included softs has it's own outlook ignoring theme style
[16:35] <soulthreads> systemsettings -> Application Appearance -> GTK+ Appearance.
[16:35] <denys> one more - Logout does not work at all =) however Lock Session works, last time I had to switch to text terminal and reboot in order to switch back to Unity interface
[16:36] <BluesKaj> running kde and unity DEs , denys ?
[16:37] <daavis> can't see gtk+ appearance
[16:37] <soulthreads> daavis, what kubuntu version do you use?
[16:38] <denys> well, Unity was default for Ubuntu 11.10 - then I intalled Kubuntu packages and loaded KDE interface - but Logout doesn't work under it
[16:38] <daavis> 4.6.5 soulthreads
[16:39] <soulthreads> denys, maybe it is because of using lightdm instead of kdm?
[16:39] <denys> how do i check which one i am using exactly?
[16:39] <soulthreads> daavis, hmm "cat /etc/issue"
[16:40] <daavis> ubuntu 11.04
[16:40] <daavis> i'm now upgrading
[16:41] <denys> oh, i see = sorry for stupid questions =)
[16:41] <denys> i should be able to switch to KDM still on Ubuntu 11.10, shouldn't I?
[16:41] <daavis> i want to fully remove gnome after upgrade. is it possible?
[16:42] <genii-around> !purekde
[16:42] <BluesKaj> denys, yes , but I think you have to drop to a tty first and sstop lightdm then sudo kdm start
[16:43] <soulthreads> denys, use above link or try "dpkg-reconfigure kdm"
[16:43] <denys> cool, thnx, will try
[16:44] <soulthreads> oops, I mixed nicks, sorry.
[16:44] <BluesKaj> denys , ctrl+alt + F1 or F2, then after starting kdm , ctrl+alt+F7 or 8
[16:45] <soulthreads> BluesKaj, you need to say that it will drop current session.
[18:01] <semitones> Argh... spend an hour making a playlist for someone in amarok, hit save, and it quits amarok >:(
[18:02] <Peace-> semitones: :)
[18:03] <Peace-> semitones: try to do a playlist and try to reproduce the bug
[18:03] <semitones> why do things like this happen?
[18:03] <Peace-> semitones: maybe running amarok from konsole
[18:03] <Peace-> semitones: amarok has been upgraded to some weird alpha ? rc ?
[18:03] <Peace-> or something like that ?
[18:03] <Peace-> hae you some ppa?
[18:04] <semitones> I don't think so... just opened up amarok again. The playlist it brings up is what I was listening to yesterday, not just now...
[18:04] <semitones> but at least the playlist DID save to the database
[18:04] <semitones> version 2.3.2
[18:05] <Peace-> semitones: kde version ?=
[18:05] <Peace-> semitones: have you added ppa?
[18:06] <Peace-> for kde i mean
[18:06] <semitones> 4.5.5
[18:06] <semitones> not for kde
[18:07] <semitones> is there any log I can look at to see what happened
[18:11] <Peace-> BluesKaj: are you there?
[18:11] <Peace-> semitones: i guess the best it's start amarok from konsole
[18:11] <Peace-> and try to get the crash
[18:12] <semitones> should I save the playlist exactly
[18:12] <semitones> like i did before, the same playlist
[18:12] <Peace-> bah i don't think so ... but ...
[18:12] <semitones> and try to be listening to the same song while I save it
[18:12] <jmichaelx> more amarok crashes, eh?
[18:13] <jmichaelx> how does one stop these 'mail dispatch agent' warnings upon logging in? they are becoming annoying
[18:13] <Peace-> i need some testers for vlc append xD
[18:13] <Peace-> jmichaelx: have you googled? i had that problem too
[18:14] <jmichaelx> Peace-: generally i google before asking about more involved issues, but i did not this time
[18:14] <Peace-> jmichaelx: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3118705.0
[18:15] <Peace-> jmichaelx: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3118754.0
[18:16] <jmichaelx> wtf
[18:16] <jmichaelx> Peace-: does a person need to read through a couple of forum threads to fix this?
[18:18] <jmichaelx> why 4.7.x was ever released as anything but a beta, i do not understand
[18:19] <BluesKaj> Peace-, yeah , turning off akonadi is one method
[18:20] <Peace-> BluesKaj: could you make me a favor ?
[18:20] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i just upgraded vlc append
[18:20] <Peace-> could you test it ?
[18:21] <BluesKaj> vlc append ?
[18:23] <Peace-> BluesKaj: if you have a folder with music and other stuff you can add only music to vlc
[18:23] <Peace-> without multiple istance of vlc
[18:23] <Peace-> BluesKaj: btw svn checkout http://vlc-append.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ vlc-append-read-only
[18:23] <jmichaelx> "some features such as the digital clock use akonadi"....
[18:23] <jmichaelx> again, wtf
[18:24] <jmichaelx> does this include the default ddigital clock in the panel?
[18:24] <BluesKaj> Peace-, playlists?
[18:25] <Peace-> BluesKaj: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcEgobqtEyY
[18:25] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i did just now even for folders
[18:31] <jmichaelx> ok, i moved akonaditray.desktop out of /usr/share/autostart, but i still got that blasted warning when i rebooted...
[18:32] <DarthFrog> Geez, I go to backup the Akonadi database. It fails because mysqldump isn't installed.  OK, I install mysql-cluster-client, which has mysqldump.  So apt-get also installs akonadi-backend-sqlite and *removes* all installed mysql programs, including the akonadi-backend-mysql!!   What donkey thought of this??
[18:33] <jmichaelx> what donkey thought of akonadi to begin with, and who decided to release KDE SC 4.7.x in such a buggy condition?
[18:35] <levi501d> i think everyone in here is too zen to get pulled into that conversation dude
[18:35] <DarthFrog> jmichaelx:  I'm not as down on akonadi as you.  I think that akonadi/nepomuk/strigi are good ideas that are not quite ripe yet. :-)
[18:35] <levi501d> orrr they are not paying attention, either way, your burn was iggy'd
[18:35] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, I just turned off the notifications in system settings
[18:36] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: ty, that is probably the very best solution
[18:37] <levi501d> or not
[18:37] <jmichaelx> DarthFrog: that is more or less what i am saying...  although my issues is that akonadi/nopemuk are forced on everyone, and many do not want them...
[18:37] <levi501d> you can disable nepomuk
[18:38] <DarthFrog> jmichaelx:  Not forced.  You can turn them off.  I wouldn't call them being enabled by default as forcing.
[18:38] <jmichaelx> DarthFrog: try disabling nepomuk, and let us know how that goes
[18:38] <jmichaelx> i suppose, again, notifications could just be disabled
[18:38] <DarthFrog> jmichaelx:  Works fine.  Right-click on the icon, click on "Suspend file indexing".
[18:39] <jmichaelx> DarthFrog: file indexing is not synonymous with nepomuk, but yes you can do that
[18:39] <DarthFrog> jmichaelx:  OK, click on "Configure File Indexing" instead and disable Nepomuk alltogether.
[18:40] <jmichaelx> DarthFrog: like i said, do that, then describe your feelings about what you see
[18:40] <DarthFrog> Or "sudo rm -f /usr/bin/virtuoso-t"  if you want to hit it with a sledgehammer. :-)
[18:41] <jmichaelx> DarthFrog: you're not following me
[18:42] <jmichaelx> DarthFrog: it is not at all intended that you strip out virtuoso, at least not anymore... you will get a multitude of warnings if you do that
[18:42] <jmichaelx> previously this was not so, but it is now
[18:42] <DarthFrog> Ok, I've clicked on "Enable Nepomuk Sematic Desktop" which disabled it.  A bunch of notify windows were thrown up.  Now what?
[18:42] <jmichaelx> DarthFrog: like i said, i guess you could just disable those notifications and you're done
[18:43] <DarthFrog> jmichaelx:  They went away by themselves.
[18:43] <jmichaelx> DarthFrog: otherwise, you will see those 5 or 6 warnings popping up routinely
[18:43] <jmichaelx> they'll be back.... over and over
[18:43] <jmichaelx> and not just upon rebooting
[18:44] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, I think akonadi and nepomuk should be optional installs , not default sinc e alot of home users don't need indexing and don't use the kdepim apps
[18:44] <DarthFrog> Ah, I gotcha.  The system doesn't like not having Nepomuk enabled. :=)
[18:44] <jmichaelx> DarthFrog: exactly
[18:44] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj:  I don't use the kdepim apps.   I use Thunderbird. :-)
[18:44] <jmichaelx> well, it does not like having nepomuk DISabled...
[18:45] <BluesKaj> yeah DarthFrog exactly :)
[18:45] <jmichaelx> same here, i use thunderbird.... but may well swicth to native KDE apps, once some of these bumps are ironed out
[18:45] <DarthFrog> I don't like the way KMail handles HTML mail.
[18:45] <BluesKaj> I use gmail
[18:46] <DarthFrog> I use GMail with IMAP.  TBird is my IMAP client.
[18:46] <jmichaelx> DarthFrog: same here
[18:46] <BluesKaj> webmail works for me
[18:46] <jmichaelx> what does kmail do wrongly with html emails?
[18:46] <DarthFrog> Oh, webmail is fine.  I just have gotten used to TBird.
[18:47] <jmichaelx> from what i see, a lot fewer people are using email clients than did a few years ago
[18:48] <DarthFrog> jmichaelx: I don't know if this is still true but there was no way in KMail to edit a forwarded HTML email and remove the original sender's email address.  i.e. to protect their privacy.  I forward a lot of jokes and rude humour and many of my friends do not want their email address passed along.
[18:48] <BluesKaj> our ISP has contracted a webserver to handle our orirginal email service , so t-bird/pop mail etc aren't necessary anyway
[18:49] <DarthFrog> If I were only a consumer of email and not a forwarder, KMail would be fine.  My wife loves KMail.
[18:49] <jmichaelx> DarthFrog: yea, i would consider that to be a significant flaw
[18:51] <DarthFrog> jmichaelx:  I would like KMail to have an easy way to strip the original headers, so only the content is forwarded.  If I edit HTML mail manually, it loses the HMTL formatting (at least it used to, I don't know if KMail is still doing so).
[18:52] <DarthFrog> The other thing is, is that it is a lot of work to switch email clients so there would have to be significant benefits for me to switch away from TBird.
[18:52] <DarthFrog> Unless KMail can import TBird's address book.
[18:52] <DarthFrog> And mailing lists.
[18:52] <jmichaelx> there is that, although i would like the idea of moving more toward apps with better KDE integration
[18:53] <DarthFrog> jmichaelx: That would be the major reason why I would want to go back to KMail.
[18:54] <jmichaelx> DarthFrog: i would imagine it could... you could also probably just export as text, then modify your contacts with a text editor to get things to where kmail to take them (worst case scenario)
[18:54] <DarthFrog> jmichaelx: As I said, it's work to switch away.
[18:54] <jmichaelx> yes it is
[19:05] <george> All right, so, I'm having trouble with jitsi since the 11.10 upgrade. It's like there is sound being detected but I don't say a word. So, I just wanted to know if my alsamixer is correctly configured. Can anyone help me?
[19:13] <kamilnadeem> HI
[19:15] <kamilnadeem> I am facing a problem with Kubuntu 11.10 , no sound from the system all of a sudden
[19:16] <kamilnadeem> also video file are not playing just hanging on single frame
[19:18] <kamilnadeem> just before it happend i got an error on mozilla that adobe flash has crashed and after that files on youtuve are also playing wierdly
[19:18] <kamilnadeem> any help
[19:29] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[19:46] <abhishek> Any experience with ipod touch? I'm thinking about buying one..
[19:47] <sea4ever> I have friends who own iPods. They [the ipod] doesn't seem any more useful than a cellphone
[19:48] <abhishek> sea4ever: Yeah you have point there..
[19:48] <sea4ever> abhishek: It has a proprietary OS though.
[19:49] <abhishek> But I have an old nokia 3110 that doesn't have all the features I need
[19:49] <abhishek> sea4ever: Yeah but is quite good..
[19:49] <sea4ever> you could upgrade your nokia. :) There's a nokia N900 phone that runs /almost/ fully free software
[19:49] <saintsatan> ciao a tutti
[19:50] <abhishek> sea4ever: No this time I'm thinking about buying an iOS device to see first hand what all the fuss is about..;)
[19:51] <abhishek> And ipod is the cheapest..
[19:52] <sea4ever> maybe you would be better off borrowing an ipod from someone for a while?
[19:53] <abhishek> I had friend when I was at hostel who owned one.. Tried for a few minutes and really liked the build quality..
[19:54] <abhishek> So thats why I'm think of buying one as don't want to upgrade to another nokia phone again like I've been doing till noww ;)
[19:54]  * sea4ever sighs, the network here is soo flaky.
[19:58] <abhishek> sea4ever: Just checked out the price for n900 its almost double that of ipod touchg :)
[19:58] <abhishek> here in india.. that is..
[19:58] <sea4ever> India? Interesting place to be.
[19:59] <DarthFrog> I hear you can get good Indian food there.
[19:59] <sea4ever> oh lol! I would hope so
[20:00] <abhishek> Food over here is best :)
[20:01] <abhishek> Where are you guys from?
[20:01] <sea4ever> I like indian food. My grandmother is of indian descent..kinda.
[20:01] <abhishek> hmm..
[20:01] <sea4ever> I'm out in Barbados right now. I'm from Guyana though. Lokono descent
[20:02] <abhishek> I hear there quite a many people of Indian origin in west indies.. Am I right?
[20:03] <abhishek> And where is guyana?
[20:03] <sea4ever> It's in northeastern South America.
[20:03] <abhishek> Sorry geography is going from bad to worse over here..:)
[20:03] <BluesKaj> !ot | abhishek sea4ever
[20:03] <szal> abhishek: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guyana
[20:04] <sea4ever> to the offtopic channel.
[20:04] <BluesKaj> yup
[20:04] <abhishek> How to get there? I'm unfimiliar with irc commands..
[20:04] <abhishek> :)
[20:05] <DarthFrog>  Type "/join #kubuntu-offtopic"
[20:05] <BluesKaj> click on the #kubuntu-offtopic
[20:05] <abhishek> BluesKaj: DarthFrogjust clicked the link in ubottu's post to get there :)
[20:06] <abhishek> still thanks..
[20:06] <BluesKaj> ubottu, is a bot , abhishek
[20:08] <abhishek> haa ha.. yeah bye..
[20:25] <graft> hey anyone know a good ppa that has 4.7.3 in it?
[20:25] <graft> and would you recommend using it?
[20:29] <yofel> graft: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa has 4.7.3
[20:31] <user001> hi
[20:32] <graft> woah! the first user!
[20:34] <kaddi> is there any fix for the msn-issue yet? (besides using pdigin that is)
[20:35] <graft> hmm, some of my gtk widgets (e.g. update manager) still look ugly - how do i fix 'em?
[20:50] <danielo> hello everyone
[20:50] <danielo> I would like to ask You about message indicator
[20:51] <danielo> is there anyone that uses it??
[20:51] <BluesKaj> danielo, message indicator ?  which application?
[20:52] <danielo> this is an aplet in kde systray
[20:52] <kaddi> the icon that shows you when you get mails or IM/IRC messages
[20:52] <danielo> http://blogs.kde.org/node/4043
[20:52] <danielo> yea
[20:55] <danielo> Do You use it with kmail2????
[20:55] <BluesKaj> hmm, never seen it before, but I do use konversation ..I guess It needs to be enabled
[20:56] <BluesKaj> I have notifications turned off as well
[20:56] <kaddi> no, i don't use kmail
[20:56] <danielo> I got problem that it dosent see kmail is running
[21:09] <danielo> any one got the same error??
[21:10] <Thinkerer68> When creating a new_user, how do I mask out the executable bit for all regular files in /home/new_user?
[21:10] <Thinkerer68> I want to prevent new_user from executing any kind of file in their home directory tree.
[21:13] <Gammma> Hi everyone,
[21:13] <Gammma> Don't forget to vote for kde in dibadu!
[21:13] <Gammma> http://blogs.kde.org/node/4491
[21:20] <viranch> hey people, i have an annoying problem in 11.10 release. when i logout and login to my account (without restarting), the login fails and brings me back to kdm login, then i login again and my desktop effects turn off saying: "opengl compositing has crashed kwin in the past....". any help?
[21:21] <danielo> no
[21:21] <danielo> for me works fine :P
[21:21] <danielo> maybe your grafic driver?
[21:22] <danielo> try update hole system :p
[21:22] <viranch> well, after i re-enable the desktop effects, they run just fine, but stop again if i relogin (this doesnt happen if i restart though)
[21:22] <danielo> it usually repair issues
[21:22] <viranch> i just did, system up-to-date ;)
[21:23] <danielo> what driver?
[21:23] <danielo> what graphic card?
[21:23] <viranch> standard intel i9xx
[21:24] <danielo> so I cant help You
[21:24] <viranch> well, ok..
[21:25] <viranch> this is what happens, btw: http://www.imgur.com/Li4sP
[21:25] <Nickmh> Hey all
[21:25] <danielo> but from my expiriens: the integrated graphic card make the most problems of all
[21:26] <viranch> and what is the general observed solution?
[21:26] <Nickmh> what do you all recomend for viewing Nokia MP4 videos on Ubuntu KDE?
[21:26] <viranch> Nickmh: install vlc
[21:26] <danielo> mplayer
[21:26] <danielo> smplayer
[21:27] <Nickmh> I'll have to try both :) thanks people! :)
[21:27] <Nickmh> vlc has had a new release recently, yeh?
[21:27] <danielo> http://imgur.com/Li4sP   i see it for a first time :P
[21:27] <danielo> try to search in repo other driver for your video card
[21:27] <danielo> :P
[21:27] <viranch> ok, thanks
[21:28] <danielo> vlc sucks with kde energy managment
[21:28] <danielo> in my system while I am watching video in vlc my screen goes black
[21:29] <viranch> yeah, that's a problem, but mplayer doesn't let you seek less than 10sec forward/backward.. so i prefer vlc
[21:41] <danielo> in my vlc seeking works only for few seconds
[21:41] <danielo> I use it only for oxygen-transparent
[21:43] <BluesKaj> danielo, try dragonplayer for avi type files
[21:44] <danielo> why?
[21:44] <BluesKaj> lighter load and more stable
[21:45] <danielo> ?
[21:45] <EvilResistance> danielo:  translation: it uses less system resources, and crashes less often :P
[21:46] <danielo> I dont have problem with playback
[21:46] <danielo> :P
[21:46] <danielo> I use oxygen-transparent theme
[21:47] <BluesKaj> fewer dropouts in my experience , i like vlc for it's digital passthru option , but it drops the input stream much more than dragonplayer
[21:47] <danielo> it gives  nice look to desktop
[21:47] <danielo> but not work with video aplication
[21:47] <danielo> !!!!
[21:47] <daavis> hello
[21:47] <danielo> exepts amarok and vlc
[21:47] <daavis> where to edit "startup programs" ?
[21:48] <BluesKaj> danielo, what doesn't work with video?
 in systemsetting
[21:48] <daavis> well said
[21:48] <daavis> i cant find
[21:48] <daavis> can you be more direct?
[21:48] <danielo> kubuntu??? put it to konsole:
[21:49] <danielo> systemsettings
[21:49] <danielo> in oxygen-transparent theme
[21:49] <BluesKaj> danielo, kmenu>computer>systemsettings> startup and shutdown
[21:49] <BluesKaj> oopd sorry danielo
[21:50] <BluesKaj> daavis, ^
[21:50] <danielo> :P
[21:50] <BluesKaj> we would have 2 nicks with da
[21:50] <daavis> does kwin works by default?
[21:51] <daavis> i have enabled kwin on startup.  should it be like that under Autostart?
[21:51] <BluesKaj> daavis, if you installed kubuntu from scratch yes\
[21:51] <daavis> i have kde in ubuntu
[21:51] <danielo> it should work for most of hardware
[21:52] <danielo> BluesKaj>> look at this
[21:52] <danielo> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/oxygen-transparent?content=127752
[21:53] <bartman2589> Hi everyone, I'm hoping someone can help me, I'm having some major problems trying to install Kubuntu 11.10 on one of my computers
[21:53] <danielo> and  it work for all qt windows exept that wich contains video
[21:56] <bartman2589> it's an old Intel D865GLC motherboard with an Intel Pentium 4 2.8Ghz w/hyperthreading and an nVidia 7600gs video card, I have tried all 3 Kubuntu 11.10 discs (1 DVD, Desktop, Alternate) and none of them will work, they all either hang during the loading process or go to a video mode that my monitor does not support
[21:58] <bartman2589> anyone?
[21:59] <EvilResistance> bartman2589:  your system  might not have the specs to work with kubuntu
[21:59]  * EvilResistance looks up the nvidia card you mentioned
[21:59] <bartman2589> 10.10 installed just fine back when I installed it originally, and I tried it again and it installs just fine still, 11.04 installs fine too
[21:59] <BluesKaj> bartman2589, I'm running a 7600gt card , maybe the nomodeset fix will help you , it workd for me
[21:59] <BluesKaj> !nomodeset
[22:00] <genii-around> bartman2589: If 11.04 installs, you can run do-release-upgrade
[22:01] <kaddi> is it normal that i only find libX11.so in /user/lib32, but not in /usr/lib64? If so, where can I find the 64bit version of libX11?
[22:01] <bartman2589> I'll try the nomodeset thing first
[22:05] <genii-around> kaddi: Probably in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ , if you have package libx11-dev installed
[22:05] <kaddi> i have it installed
[22:05] <kaddi> ty.. will look there
[22:05] <kaddi> why so many lib folders?
[22:05] <kaddi> :p
[22:06] <genii-around> kaddi: You can also specify in apt-get the architecture, like: sudo apt-get install libx11-dev:I386    for instance
[22:06] <bartman2589> the weird thing is that 11.10 installs just fine (even using graphical install) on my old Compaq D510SFF w/Pentium 4 2.2ghz and PCI nvldia MX-4000 (have to disable desktop effects for the windows to render properly though), but it installs and runs just fine on that computer
[22:06] <kaddi> genii i'm compiling something and it's not finding libx11 (and if the internet is something to go on it'll not find some more things :p(
[22:07] <elst> Hi
[22:08] <genii-around> kaddi: Your 32 bit version should be in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/   and 64bit in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ ... the /usr/lib32 one is for the ia32-libs package
[22:09] <kaddi> hmm, ok.. i guess the configure script just sucks then :P
[22:10] <bartman2589> well, using nomodeset and acpi=off again brings me to a video mode that my monitor doesn't support
[22:10] <yofel> kaddi: what does 'dpkg -S libX11.so' say?
[22:11] <genii-around> bartman2589: You could try option of: vga  which should try some sane resolution
[22:11] <kaddi> libx11-6: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6.3.0 libx11-dev: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libX11.so libx11-6: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6
[22:11] <kaddi> not going wrong there :p
[22:12] <yofel> yeah, it should find it then - as long as it's looking in the right folders
[22:12] <bartman2589> I've already tried vga=normal and vga=ask (using vga=ask I chose 1024x768x32 which my monitor does support), but even using either of those I end up with a video mode my monitor doesn't support for some stupid reason
[22:12] <kaddi> linking the files in question to /usr/lib64 fixed the problem (for me)
[22:13] <bartman2589> I even tried fb=false along with both of those
[22:13] <kaddi> i guess eventually someone will need to update the config script.. but that someone won't be me cause i can't make any sense out of this
[22:14] <bartman2589> I even tried 'Install in text mode' and it still switched to a mode my monitor can't display
[22:14] <bartman2589> I've tried taking my nvidia card out and using the onboard video (intel 865 series) but that doesn't work either
[22:15] <bartman2589> since the devs chopped out a bunch of the support for the intel graphics controllers
[22:17] <kaddi> root is succesfully building atm :)
[22:17] <genii-around> bartman2589: So when kdm loads is when the video gets screwy?
[22:18] <BluesKaj>  bartman2589 , perhaps genii-around's suggestion to instll 11.04 and then do-release-upgrade from that state might preserve your graphics settings into 11.10
[22:19] <genii-around> ( the ctrl-alt-<keypad +> might work in kdm to cycle through available resolutions )
[22:20] <bartman2589> no, it never even gets to the kdm as far as I can tell, like I said it goes to a video mode my monitor won't display so I can't see what's going on at all
[22:20] <bartman2589> guess I'll try the 11.04 to 11.10 route
[22:21] <BluesKaj> bartman2589, so what do you see on the monitor ?
[22:21] <kaddi> if i just make a  "make" it will install in the folder I'm currently in, no?
[22:21] <genii-around> Probably "out of range" message from the monitor...
[22:22] <bartman2589> yeah basically genii-around, though with my monitor it says "input not supported" instead of 'out of range'
[22:23] <bartman2589> it's an early model Acer X193W so it's max resolution is 1440x900, the newer versions support higher resolutions than that
[22:23] <elst> Hi
[22:26] <bartman2589> BluesKaj, after the initial boot menu (Install Kubuntu, Test Memory, ........) it goes to a mode I can't display, seems to do that no matter what I do, really really really really pissing me off
[22:26] <bartman2589> when I say 'can't display' I mean black screen, absolutely nothing but my monitors message of "Input not supported"
[22:29] <BluesKaj> seems the new drivers in 11.10 aren't supporting older monitors ...not sure but you're the 3rd or 4th person I've seen with this problem, bartman2589. I wonder if an older graphics driver would work
[22:31] <bartman2589> you know, the funny thing is that this monitor works just fine in 11.10 on my other computer (I use a KVM switch to switch between the two), so it's not an issue with support for the monitor, possibly for the video card, but then I have to wonder why it works with an ancient nvidia MX-4000 but not a much newer nvidia 7600gs
[22:31] <BluesKaj> obviously the nouveau driver isn't working
[22:34] <BluesKaj> bartman2589, , wow , that's one for the head scratchers at canonical development :) Not to make light of your issue , but I couldn't resist.
[22:34] <bartman2589> I know, really really confusing
[22:35] <kaddi> and after 20min of compiling it fails >.< pos
[22:36] <BluesKaj> bartman2589, , but 11.04 works fine on both sides of the KVM ?
[22:36] <kaddi> blah, it's a bug in gcc >.< even more fun :P
[22:41] <bartman2589> yeah, it did before I backed everything up and wiped the partition to try a clean install of 11.10,  I have to redownload the iso for 11.04 though, anybody have a link to the torrent for the 11.04 dvd, seems the Kubuntu site is only linking to 11.10 and doesn't give me any place to get 11.04 from
[22:44] <bartman2589> I need the link to the torrent for the 32 bit DVD version of 11.04, anyone got it?
[22:46] <bartman2589> the site is only providing links to LTS releases for some reason
[22:46] <bartman2589> another really really really annoying issue
[22:48] <BluesKaj> bartman2589, http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/natty/
[22:49] <bartman2589> Thanks, don't see why they can't put a link on the website for 'Older releases'
[22:51] <BarkingFish> guys, is the 4.7.3 release of kde coming up in apper, an official one or is it from project neon?
[22:51] <bartman2589> looks like they don't supply the DVD version of 11.04 on that page anymore though
[22:52] <BluesKaj> bartman2589, for your home pc , if you decide to install 11.10 , i hope you don't have any audio issues like a lot of ppl
[22:53] <bartman2589> I usually uninstall Pulseaudio to take care of most of my audio issues and go back to Alsa
[22:53] <bartman2589> Pulseaudio still has a very very very long way to go before I'll consider using it
[22:54] <jtr__> bartman2589: how do you do that ?
[22:54] <bartman2589> or rather the 'mixer' for pulseaudio does, until it gives me a screen like the alsa mixer I won't use it, too much of a pain in the butt when you want to adjust volumes on other input channels
[22:55] <jtr__> bartman2589: and does it affect any other thing like phonon
[22:55] <BluesKaj> bartman2589, yeah , that use to be my cure ae well, but now i need pulse for web audio content , since install a m-audio pci card ...great audio from cds and wav files ,even the few mp3s I have sound passable .
[22:56] <bartman2589> I've got a soundblaster audigy card, alsa supports it just fine and it works fine in phonon as long as I put the analog outputs at the top of the list in phonon (I don't have it piped into a home stereo system yet)
[22:57] <bartman2589> I just uninstall it using synaptic (can't stand muon yet, though it is getting better slooooooooooooooowwwllllyyyyyyy)
[22:57] <BluesKaj> pcm/spdif output only , to my audio receiver
[22:58] <bartman2589> if I had a fancy audio receiver I'd do that too, but for now I'm just using an old home theater system that doesn't have digital inputs
[22:58] <phunyguy> oldschool analog ftw
[22:58] <BluesKaj> you can still get decent sound from those systems
[22:59] <phunyguy> my new(ish) receiver sucks.
[23:01] <bartman2589> yeah, I'm not too worried about sound quality as long as it doesn't buzz or crackle bad
[23:01] <BluesKaj> I'm thinking of buying the breakout cables and running the analog 5,1 directly into the analog inputs on the receiver
[23:03] <BluesKaj> this pc is our media server , so that's whyI have this setup
[23:04] <phunyguy> yeah this PC is mine as well..
[23:05] <phunyguy> 6TB HDD space
[23:05] <phunyguy> xD
[23:05] <phunyguy> it goes quick with BluRay movies.
[23:05] <BluesKaj> VLC is fine , but it's acting strangely with the digital stream from the sound card
[23:07] <bartman2589> I know there's some settings you can get to using one of the gnome/gtk  alsa mixers that usually aren't accessible through the main kde mixer applet
[23:09] <BluesKaj> the aslsa base.conf file is the secret here as well as the ~/.asoundrc file
[23:09] <bartman2589> true, if you can figure out how to add the right info
[23:11] <BluesKaj> bartman2589, I was able to set the pci card as default in alsa.conf and make the digital streams work with some settings for it that i found online for the asoundrc file
[23:12] <sgrover> How would I go about grabbing an MSSQL database (tables and data) and converting it to CSV files (one per table) in an automated way?  Anyone know a method or tool that can be scripted?
[23:12] <sgrover> Ultimately the idea is to view the data in either Libre Office, or import into a PostgreSQL database.
[23:12] <BluesKaj> it took me a long time to get things right , bartman2589 , but i also learnred a lot in the process
[23:14] <bartman2589> I don't doubt that, too much work for me though, especially since using alsa works just fine for me in it's default config
[23:16] <BluesKaj> ok , BBL ...
[23:16] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[23:46] <snikker> hi, i'm unable to ear sound from headphones, can oyu help me? i'm under oneiric
[23:49] <szal> !sound | snikker
[23:50] <snikker> szal: ok i'll check the link
[23:53] <prower> hello :> does anyone else find under 11.10 that amarok seems to use up a high amount of cpu when it's not actually doing anything? i've just noticed this problem recently (64-bit). this only happens if amarok starts when kde does though, so if you start it manually it's not an issue. :>