[05:11] <pitti> Good morning
[05:30] <TheMuso> Morning pitti.
[05:30] <pitti> hey TheMuso, how are you?
[05:31] <TheMuso> pitti: Feeling much better thanks. Caught up on sleep and feel I have beaten a slight bug I caught whilst being run down from my trip.
[07:33] <rodrigo_> morning
[07:34] <pitti> hey rodrigo_
[07:35] <didrocks> good morning
[07:36] <rodrigo_> hi pitti, didrocks
[07:36] <didrocks> hey rodrigo_
[09:08]  * rodrigo_ goes (again) to the police station, bbiab
[09:33] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[09:33] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[09:33] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti, how are you?
[09:33] <pitti> pretty well, thanks! how about you?
[09:33] <pitti> still jetlagged?
[09:34] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i'm pretty tired this morning still
[09:34] <chrisccoulson> i was up quite late trying to figure out an addon upgrade issue which is blocking the firefox security update, with little success
[09:36] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson pitti
[09:36] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[09:37] <seb128> hey pitti, how are you?
[09:37] <pitti> seb128: can't complain, pretty good
[09:38] <pitti> I'm waking up like clockwork, just had some trouble getting to sleep yesterday
[09:38] <seb128> bryceh, you made people unhappy on bug #868400 by setting it incomplete where it gets angry comment almost every day
[09:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 868400 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Synaptics touchpad stops working" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868400
[09:38] <seb128> bryceh, if that's a bot reply you might want to update the bot logic to not incomplete active bugs
[09:39] <seb128> pitti, I've no trouble getting to sleep but I've trouble getting up ;-)
[09:40] <pitti> I'm sure it is a bot reply
[09:40] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128
[09:40] <pitti> I also got one for one of my bugs, I just set it back to triaged with a comment
[09:40] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, stop spending your nights working!
[09:41] <chrisccoulson> heh
[09:41] <seb128> pitti, yeah, probably a bot reply, just unfortunate which it landed on an annoying bug where users are actively commented (and being ignored by us so far)
[09:41] <seb128> commenting
[09:54] <hrw> hi
[09:57] <mhr3> pitti, would i see in apport-filed bug that the user has two graphic cards? like there's the "GraphicsCard:" line, would multiple be listed?
[10:03] <hrw> first day of using unity for work - want me to report any issue?
[10:05] <seb128> hey hrw
[10:06] <seb128> if you have bugs you can check in launchpad if they have been filed and file them if not
[10:06] <hrw> sure
[10:06] <seb128> hrw, if you want to discuss unity on IRC maybe better to use #ayatana that's where dx (those who write the code) hang out
[10:07] <seb128> you can also mention those here but you will reach mainly the packagers, not the upstreams
[10:07] <hrw> ok
[10:10] <chrisccoulson> and if you use the ayatana mailing list, you have to use the words "Fitt's Law" at least once in your messages :)
[10:15] <hrw> ?
[10:15] <chrisccoulson> hrw, that was an attempt at sarcasm ;)
[10:15] <hrw> ah
[10:15] <chrisccoulson> not sure if you read that mailing list or not
[10:15] <hrw> chrisccoulson: no, I do not
[10:15] <chrisccoulson> ah :)
[10:19] <hrw> so far with gnome-control-center + gnome-tweak-tool + ubuntu-tweak I got something which reminds previous setup (as long as I do not try to use Super+[1-9] to switch destops and ignore panels)
[10:20] <seb128> seems like users try to copy their old way to work when switching
[10:21] <seb128> not sure that's the best thing to do, I would recommend trying to use a rather stock unity for a while and figure what works or not for you
[10:21] <seb128> you might be surprised and find that some things are nice and work better than the "old way"
[10:21] <seb128> then you know what to adapt or not
[10:25] <hrw> seb128: but how do I switch to destktop where I have terminal + 4 gvim windows? in other way then ctrl-alt-left multiple time
[10:26] <seb128> you can set keybidings for workspace switching in the GNOME control center
[10:26] <seb128> or in ccsm
[10:26] <seb128> (stay away from ccsm if you can, it cna be destructive)
[10:27] <hrw> ccsm is nightmare indeed
[10:29] <hrw> seb128: bug 886812 looks to be duplicate of bug 867502
[10:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 886812 in gnome-control-center "window does not scale up and is not resizable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/886812
[10:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 867502 in gnome-control-center "The system settings window is a bit too small with some themes" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/867502
[10:30] <seb128> hrw, thanks, feel free to mark it as such
[10:31] <hrw> done and commented
[10:31] <seb128> thanks
[10:31] <hrw> btw - how to setup WM to alt-tab first inside of desktop?
[10:32] <hrw> destkop1=terminal, gnome-control-center and alt-tab switches me to firefox on desktop2 when I am in terminal
[10:32] <seb128> you can unmap in unity alt-tab in ccsm and use the old switcher instead if you want
[10:32] <hrw> so it is by design?
[10:36] <hrw> bug 842475 exists already
[10:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 842475 in unity "No way to switch quickly between windows (or apps) on the same desktop" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/842475
[10:41] <hrw> is it normal that when I switch to firefox (Start+2) I am not able to type in window and have to activate other app and then firefox again to have it working?
[10:46] <hrw> seb128: thx - old switcher is nicer
[10:47] <seb128> seems like you are determined to make unity behave like your old desktop rather than trying to figure if there is anything nice to get out of unity ;-)
[10:50] <hrw> seb128: unity switcher makes my life harder when 4 gvim windows are open
[10:50] <hrw> I need alt+tab then arrows
[10:50] <seb128> yeah, it has some issues
[10:50] <seb128> well good that you can tweak and use the old switcher ;-)
[10:50] <hrw> old one is not perfect but is better then new one for me
[10:51] <seb128> well, unity switcher, if you stop on an entry which has several instance it will spawn those
[10:51] <seb128> you can also use alt-key_over_tab to cycle between the instances of the same application
[10:51] <hrw> nice
[10:51] <hrw> alt+tilde for most
[10:51] <seb128> there is a bug about the spawn delay not being short enough which leads some people to not nice it does that
[10:52] <seb128> well, 'key_over_tab", really, it's not the same key there on all the layouts ;-)
[10:52] <seb128> it might be tilde for you
[10:52] <hrw> which component is responsible for 'incomplete language support' window? as I want to fix translation
[10:52] <seb128> language-selector
[10:53] <hrw> seb128: during uds I used keyboard which had esc over alt...
[10:55] <hrw> ok, added suggestion to translations
[11:18] <rodrigo_> is mpt off this week?
[11:27] <zyga> hrw, you are doing one thing wrong
[11:27] <hrw> zyga: only one?
[11:27] <zyga> hrw, unity is not your previous setup and as long as you don't accept that you will find it annoying
[11:28] <zyga> hrw, I work differently since natty
[11:28] <zyga> hrw, not everything is perfect
[11:28] <zyga> hrw, but
[11:28] <zyga> hrw, after rethinking my workflow I'm much happier than I was before
[11:28] <hrw> zyga: will see after few days
[11:29] <hrw> mostly I miss colour schemes for UI and WM-decorations
[11:30] <seb128> well, that's what I was saying before, users trying to make unity the same as their old desktop rather than trying to understand how unity work and see if that's better
[11:30] <zyga> seb128, have you seen a bug where the orange outline that usually shows up when you move the window to the side or to the top edge stays around and just sits there until I resize some (any) windows for a while?
[11:30] <seb128> but I guess resistance to change is "normal" ;-)
[11:30] <seb128> zyga, yeah, I'm pretty sure it's reported, it's a bug in compiz grid
[11:31] <zyga> seb128, ok, thanks
[11:37] <hrw> seb128: I found launcher very limited in unity - no way to run several gvim windows from one icon for example
[11:37] <seb128> hrw, you can middle click on the icon
[11:37] <seb128> to run a new instance
[11:37] <hrw> I would never guess that ;)
[11:40] <seb128> didrocks, do you know if there a reference guide to unity somewhere describing that sort of things?
[11:40] <hrw> other question: in 'mail/im' indicator there is 'configure mail' entry which does not do anything. what is a use for it?
[11:40] <zyga> seb128, wow, I did not knew that either :)
[11:40] <hrw> zyga: and you use unity for ~year ;)
[11:40]  * zyga checks if there is a rmb option :)
[11:40] <didrocks> seb128: not that I know of, there is askubuntu.com which contains a lot of those tricks
[11:40] <didrocks> but nothing formally written
[11:40] <zyga> hrw, I rarely use it for that though, usually CTRL+SHIFT+T -> spawn terminal -> work from there
[11:40] <didrocks> you can as well shift + click
[11:40] <seb128> didrocks, ok, so low discoverability, you know to think about questions to find details ;-)
[11:40] <didrocks> or super shift num
[11:40] <zyga> hrw, unity is when I don't focus on having 10s of identical windows
[11:41] <didrocks> well, the low discoverability is by design for that feature
[11:41] <seb128> didrocks, right, well still having a summary of features would be nice for some users I guess
[11:41] <zyga> didrocks, I miss right-click context menu with that option spelled out next to an accelerator shortcut so that I can learn
[11:42] <seb128> hrw, the "configure" is supposed to run the email client corresponding to the entry, likely thunderbird on Oneiric
[11:42] <hrw> seb128: I have thunderbird installed, configured and running - selecting option does not do anything. where I can check/report bug?
[11:43] <seb128> hrw, the component is indicator-messages
[11:43] <hrw> thx
[11:43] <seb128> yw
[11:44] <seb128> hrw, do you have a second email entry in that menu or one for thunderbird?
[11:45] <zyga> hrw, make a screenshot and attach that to your bug report
[11:46] <hrw> seb128: moment
[11:47] <hrw> http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/~hrw/panel.jpg
[11:47] <seb128> do you have the thunderbird unity thing activated?
[11:48] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ^ do you know if that's required to make the indicator see tb?
[11:48] <hrw> nope
[11:48] <hrw> seb128: this addon is disabled
[11:48] <seb128> try activating it
[11:48] <seb128> it should be activated by default in oneiric
[11:49] <chrisccoulson> yeah, if it's not active, then it won't work :)
[11:49] <hrw> activated, got option
[11:50] <hrw> is it normal that firefox from desktop2 sometimes appear partially on left side of desktop1?
[11:51] <chrisccoulson> yay - http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/nov/09/adobe-flash-mobile-dead \o/
[11:51] <chrisccoulson> now, if only they would do the same with desktop flash....
[11:53] <hrw> ok, time to relogin to get rid of appmenu indicator
[11:54] <hrw> yay! and world got easier
[12:01] <hrw> is bug 833615 duplicate of bug 706931?
[12:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 833615 in empathy ""connection is untrusted: Remember this choice for future connections" is not clear" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/833615
[12:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 706931 in empathy "repeated asking to verify a certificate. enough already, I already approved it!!" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/706931
[12:01] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, cool!
[12:10] <zyga> hrw, what is wrong with your theme?
[12:10] <zyga> hrw, the symbolic icons in your indicator area are impossible to see
[12:12] <pitti> seb128: do you happen to know an easy way of provoking a crash of something while your session gets shut down?
[12:13]  * pitti wants to test a solution for bug 460932
[12:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 460932 in apport "Do not catch crashes which happen at logout" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/460932
[12:14] <hrw> zyga: thats radiance theme
[12:14] <zyga> hrw, hmm, it looks readable on my screen, are you sure you have not tweaked anything extra?
[12:15] <zyga> hrw, I can show you how it looks like here
[12:15] <pitti> seb128: it seems that calling org.gnome.SessionManager.IsSessionRunning() pretty much DTRT
[12:15] <hrw> zyga: I changed theme from radiance to other now and now they are more visible
[12:15] <zyga> radiance _is_ readable
[12:15] <pitti> seb128: of course that only works for GNOME, but for now that'll help; other desktops can add something similar to apport if they want
[12:16] <hrw> now... where I can change desktop layout from 2x2 to 1x6...
[12:17] <seif> rodrigo_, guy lunardi says hi
[12:17] <seif> :P
[12:17] <zyga> hrw, http://ubuntuone.com/6a97ekIBjATMuIYY79rM0c
[12:19] <hrw> zyga: I have them now set too
[12:20] <hrw> btw - thunderbird icon in launcher is expected to show proper amount of unread emails or just some random '1' number?
[12:28] <rodrigo_> seif, hey, tell him 'hi' also :D
[12:30] <zyga> hrw, it should show the right amount
[12:30] <zyga> hrw, I can show you how my messaging  indicator looks like
[12:30] <zyga> hrw, did you tweak anything there?
[12:30] <hrw> zyga: nope, did not
[12:31] <zyga> hrw, and obviously thunderbird needs to run for the icon to be accurate
[12:31] <zyga> hrw, does restarting TB fixes the problem?
[12:31] <seb128> pitti, re (was at lunch), no easy way that I know about no
[12:31] <hrw> zyga: it is running, icons shows 'no new mail', TB says '6 mails'
[12:31] <zyga> hrw, if no then I'd report it and follow up with the person that did the customization for ubuntu
[12:31] <hrw> I will
[12:32] <zyga> seb128, that brings me to semi-offtopic: who wrote the messaging indicator? I have a crazy idea I want to try
[12:32] <seb128> zyga, ted from dx
[12:32] <zyga> seb128, ted gould?
[12:32] <seb128> yes
[12:32]  * zyga is sorry if he mixed up the surname
[12:32] <zyga> ok
[12:36] <hrw> zyga: bug 886907 and bug 848774 :D
[12:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 886907 in thunderbird "Messaging Menu and Unity launcher don't display unread messages count from Thunderbird" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/886907
[12:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 848774 in thunderbird "Icon does not show right amount of new email" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848774
[12:37] <zyga> hrw, sounds like dupe
[12:37] <hrw> zyga: anyway thing to ignore as it has to display 'new' not 'unread'
[12:38] <zyga> hrw, do some de-dupe for the people that are going to chew through this
[12:38] <hrw> will
[12:39] <seb128> the counter thing tries to be smart
[12:40] <seb128> i.e it only display counts for boxes you didn't open since they got the new emails and it ignores things that you are not directly receiving
[12:40] <seb128> i.e mailing lists
[12:42]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[12:44] <hrw> where I can change desktop layout from 2x2 to 1x6?
[12:46] <seb128> ccsm
[12:47] <zyga> hrw, seb128, in all honesty people expect some degree of personalization from unity so I think things like that will end up (should?) in the control center
[12:47] <zyga> it's just about picking the things we allow for +1
[12:47] <zyga> and adapting to feedback
[12:48] <seb128> what? number of workspaces?
[12:48] <zyga> seb128, that and a few other things
[12:48] <seb128> that like fits in ubuntu-tweaks yes
[12:48] <zyga> seb128, I'd just do 3 options initially
[12:48] <seb128> not sure about g-c-c
[12:48] <zyga> seb128, I disagree, it should be configurable by default
[12:48] <seb128> you assume that most users use workspaces there
[12:48] <seb128> which I'm not sure it's true
[12:49] <zyga> seb128, launcher hiding, workspaces and global menu
[12:49] <seb128> there were some talks about disabling workspaces by default
[12:49] <seb128> launcher hiding will get a g-c-c option this cycle
[12:49] <seb128> the menus are being discussed
[12:49] <hrw> and playing with ccsm == compiz hang == kill compiz from text console
[12:49] <seb128> they are a known issue
[12:49] <seb128> not sure about workspaces
[12:49] <hrw> zyga: and launcher size...
[12:49] <seb128> that will get a g-c-c option as well iirc
[12:50] <zyga> seb128, that is possible, the way mac (Leopard or Snow, cannot remember) disabled this by default, placed in the dock by default (so everyone clicked on it and could enable it easily) and allowed you to say how many you want
[12:50] <hrw> I had to kill compiz. now I have to relogin ;(
[12:50] <seb128> you can probably run "unity" from a vt
[12:50] <zyga> seb128, if that gets into default configuration options then virtually all annoyances I hear and read about all the time will be adressed
[12:50] <seb128> it will restart it on your active X
[12:51] <seb128> zyga, it will make quite some users happy, still some will complain about i.e the launcher position not being configurable though
[12:51] <zyga> seb128, is anyone working on that this cycle? I'm just curious but it sounds (to me) that they are rather simple and perhaps I could help
[12:51] <zyga> seb128, the launcher position is a different topic, AFAIR it is not likely to change for different reasons
[12:52] <zyga> seb128, I remember sabdfl commenting on that topic
[12:52] <seb128> zyga, options for the launcher autohide and some others are on the roadmap, check with dx (#ayatana), or maybe didrocks can help you giving details, I'm sure they would appreciate help if you want to work on those
[12:52] <zyga> seb128, plus I'm not sure how much work is needed to make the launcher movable, the items we discussed above are trivially togglable switches in various configuration systms
[12:52] <seb128> zyga, right
[12:52] <zyga> seb128, thanks, I'll look into that
[12:53] <seb128> well I was just pointing that it will not stop all complain, but that would be a good start for sure ;-)
[12:54] <hrw> ~hail screen - need to relogin again
[12:57] <hrw> ~curse compiz and ccsm
[12:57] <seb128> join the club
[12:57] <seb128> chrisccoulson wants to destroy ccsm, I start agreeing with him that's needed ;-)
[12:58] <hrw> so now I need to remove some config files, restart x11 session, run ccsm, curse, reconfigure
[12:58] <seb128> what happened?
[12:59] <hrw> ccsm -> about == compiz freeze
[12:59] <hrw> after relogin no unity
[13:00] <seb128> try to see if you have a .config  > .compiz-1 > compizconfig
[13:00] <seb128> config there
[13:00] <seb128> try deleting it, you maybe it the bug where the profile is changed for you
[13:01] <hrw> no change
[13:01] <seb128> did you try restarting compiz?
[13:01] <hrw> whole x11 session
[13:01] <seb128> is unity enabled in ccsm?
[13:01] <hrw> was
[13:02] <seb128> you can probably re-enable it if it's not
[13:03] <hrw> anyway need to run other session then unity
[13:03] <chrisccoulson> destroying ccsm +1000 :-)
[13:04] <hrw> http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/~hrw/shots/Zrzut%20ekranu%202011-11-09%2014%3a03%3a41.png - who knows what this grey area is?
[13:06] <zyga> hrw, stuck dead window?
[13:07] <hrw> zyga: right after login?
[13:07] <zyga> hrw, ps aux?
[13:07] <zyga> hrw, perhaps something started and died?
[13:07] <hrw> xkill better
[13:08] <hrw> nope - xkill did not helped
[13:08] <zyga> hrw, no idea, check for X resources with X hacker
[13:10] <hrw> it was psi+
[13:11] <hrw> appeared exactly there when opened from systray icon
[13:12] <hrw> unity/2d does not restore background after switch from VT ;(
[13:13] <hrw> http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/~hrw/shots/Zrzut%20ekranu%202011-11-09%2014%3a13%3a03.png
[13:15] <zyga> hrw, sounds like another bug to report for you ;-)
[13:15] <hrw> thats what I am doing now
[13:22] <hrw> bug 888050
[13:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 888050 in unity-2d "Desktop background not restored after switch from text console" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/888050
[13:23] <hrw> apport updated
[13:25] <bigon> pitti: hi are you planning to update pygobject to the latest version in debian, to fix the breakage due to gi?
[13:26] <pitti> bigon: how do you mean? 3.0.2 is the latest, and we have that
[13:27] <pitti> it's not meant to be broken, it's working quite fine here; what's wrong with it?
[13:27] <bigon> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640467
[13:27] <ubot2> Debian bug 640467 in python-gobject "Insufficient requirement on gobject-introspection" [Grave,Open]
[13:28] <bigon> somebody on #debian-gnome just talked about that
[13:29] <pitti> hm, it already b-deps on libgirepository1.0-dev (>= 1.31.0), that shoudl be enough
[13:29] <pitti> which comes out as a binary dep of libgirepository-1.0-1 (>= 1.29.0)
[13:29] <pitti> oh, perhaps the libglib version dep isn't high enough
[13:33] <pitti> bigon: so it's fixed now, I'll followup
[13:35] <hrw> lovely. lightdm hang ;(
[13:35] <pitti> bigon: done
[13:42] <hrw> ok, looks like need to start from scratch ;(
[13:49] <hrw> but thats tomorrow - today I have a work to do
[13:50] <bigon> pitti: thx
[13:58] <AlanBell> hi all, where is the best place to discuss compiz interactions with NUX? specifically relating to bug 762699
[13:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 762699 in unity "Unity launcher and panel are not zoomable with Enhanced Zoom Desktop" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/762699
[13:58] <kenvandine> AlanBell, #ayatana
[13:58] <AlanBell> thanks kenvandine
[13:58] <kenvandine> AlanBell, np
[14:55] <dupondje> didrocks: thanks foor looking @ the nautilus bug :)
[14:55] <didrocks> dupondje: no worry, just annoying noise on the bug report :)
[14:56] <dupondje> true
[14:56] <dupondje> happy it will be fixed, cause its like the most annoying bug in Oneiric atm :D
[15:00] <seb128> users are annoying
[15:00] <seb128> well the ones ranting on bugs at least
[15:05] <Xanath> Hello, i tried referring to the general #ubuntu channel but i did not get an answer so i'll try here...
[15:05] <Xanath> when starting applications from the launcher(using the shortcut super+number) they open in workspace/desktop 1 i want to change that so they open in workspace/desktop  5...
[15:13] <pitti> seb128: I have a relatively cautious implementation for bug 460932 now
[15:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 460932 in apport "Do not catch crashes which happen at logout" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/460932
[15:13] <pitti> seb128: it might not suppress all the bad ones, but let's see how far this get us
[15:14] <pitti> seb128: the next bug we get for a shutdown crasher will then make a good case study :)
[15:15] <seb128> pitti, nice!
[16:16] <seb128> rodrigo_, there?
[16:17] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes
[16:17] <seb128> rodrigo_, do you plan to sru g-s-d and g-c-c 3.2.2?
[16:18] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, wasn't planning to do it, but yes, can do it
[16:19] <mterry> Just FYI y'all, I'm doing my +1 maintenance rotation this month, so I won't be very available for normal desktop stuff
[16:19] <seb128> rodrigo_, not sure we need those but the "fix for gtk 3.2.1" make me thing we do, we might update gtk later on
[16:19] <seb128> mterry, hey, how are you? got over the ubuflu?
[16:19] <rodrigo_> ok
[16:19] <mterry> seb128, no.  :(
[16:19] <seb128> :-(
[16:19] <seb128> I got it as well
[16:20] <mterry> Should be chugging orange juice all UDS next time
[16:20] <seb128> yeah
[16:20] <rodrigo_> it was too cold in some rooms indeed
[16:20] <seb128> mterry, so the rotation, what will that team fix exactly?
[16:21] <seb128> just curious
[16:21] <mterry> seb128, everything.  zarro boogs
[16:21] <mterry> seb128, things like ftbfs, nbs, transitions,
[16:21] <seb128> good, so you will still fix desktop bugs? ;-)
[16:21] <mterry> seb128, installability issues, making sure the daily cd builds
[16:22] <seb128> ok, I still fail to see that being enough to keep dynamic people like you guys busy full time :p
[16:22] <mterry> seb128, well, historically we've had a hard time keeping up on it, right?
[16:22] <seb128> but let's see how it goes in practice, feel free to fix desktop bugs once you nailed all the CD issues ;-)
[16:22] <mterry> seb128, :)
[16:23] <seb128> mterry, yeah, because we are usually sloppy, I would think that like 2-3 hours a day for a few people would be enough
[16:23] <seb128> we usually backlog and pay the price later
[16:23] <mterry> seb128, we'll see; it's an experiment
[16:23] <seb128> mterry, but let's see how it goes, if I'm right you will get some time for desktop bug fixing, if I'm not you will not, no issue ;-)
[16:24] <seb128> mterry, oh sure, not denying it's useful and wanted, I just somewhat think people will still have a bit of time for their normal team bugs though ;-)
[16:24] <mterry> seb128, this certainly involves a lot of local building, so I'll have some free time while waiting perhaps  :)
[16:24] <seb128> or maybe I just hope it's the case :p
[16:24] <kenvandine> sigh... updating tp-mission-control-5 seems to break gabble... good thing i am updating the whole stack :)
[16:26] <seb128> mterry, speaking I was pondering syncing libepc from experimental which has a soname change but I didn't want to deal with the rdepends, does it mean I can just sync it and requires your services to get it fixed then? ;-)
[16:26]  * seb128 hides
[16:26] <mterry> seb128, :(
[16:27] <Laney> there is tool development too
[16:27] <seb128> mterry, ok ok, I will not do it (or at least not today)
[16:28] <seb128> mterry, joke aside enjoy the rotation ;-)
[16:28] <mterry> Laney, true.  a side goal is to improve the tools that let us fix this stuf
[16:28] <seb128> how many people do you get in the team at the same time? 2-3?K
[16:28] <Laney> an index page for the transition tracker would be nice ;-)
[16:29] <mterry> seb128, 3
[16:34] <bryceh> seb128, yep good point
[16:39] <seb128> hey bryceh
[16:40] <seb128> bryceh, do you only check for comments from the bug submitter or is the script buggy in some way and didn't notice there was activity on the bug?
[16:40] <seb128> i.e design decision or bug? ;-)
[16:40] <bryceh> bug
[16:40] <seb128> ok
[16:41] <bryceh> I'd even commented "don't comment on bugs with recent comments", just forgot to implement the check
[16:41] <seb128> ;-)
[16:41] <bryceh> seb128, I only just wrote it yesterday ;-)
[16:42] <bryceh> it is only going to get one time per release.  this time it touched only 112 bugs so its one of my "smaller" scripts.  but the less annoying it is the better
[16:45] <bryceh> seb128, I should probably also include logic to not touch bugs with more than 25 comments or so... those tend to be "heated"
[16:46] <seb128> yeah, don't feed the trolls :p
[16:49]  * didrocks hugs his testsuite
[16:49] <didrocks> was wondering why it suddenly failed
[16:49] <didrocks> before seeing that it was a commented instruction for debugging which was guilty
[17:01] <pitti> good night everyone!
[17:21] <hggdh> pkcs11-kit (on precise) looks for gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so under /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pkcs11/, but gnome-keyring installed it under /usr/lib/pkcs11. Is this a bug on g-k, or pkcs11-kit (so that I can open it on the correct package)?
[17:23] <seb128> it's report in launchpad
[17:23] <seb128> seems a multiarch issue, try pinging slangasek if you are lucky he might look at it
[17:24] <hggdh> seb128: thank you. I will try my luck, but lately it has been misbehaving ;-)
[17:25] <slangasek> open bug
[17:25] <slangasek> I was waiting for the Debian maintainer's decision
[17:26] <slangasek> Debian bug #645959
[17:26] <ubot2> Debian bug 645959 in src:p11-kit "p11-kit looks in /usr/lib/$arch/pkcs11 for modules, nothing installs there?" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/645959
[17:27] <slangasek> since the maintainer hasn't replied to my last comment, I guess the next step is for someone to patch p11-kit to look in /usr/lib/pkcs11 for backwards-compatibility
[17:33] <kenvandine> seb128, i was just looking at that in gnome-keyring
[17:34] <seb128> kenvandine, yeah, I just noticed your upload, I was wondering if that's in reaction of the discussion there
[17:34] <walters> hey, could we get a unity developer to come to #gnome-os on gimpnet?  We're looking at merging desrt's GMenuModel stuff in gtk+ and it'd be helpful to have someone who can actually look at how things would work for unity's global menu
[17:34] <kenvandine> well, it fixes it for now, but ideally gnome-keyring should install in multiarch
[17:34] <kenvandine> i think
[17:35] <seb128> walters, do you have desrt there? I think he knows the details
[17:35] <walters> scratch that #gtk+ is more topical
[17:35] <walters> seb128, he's on vacation
[17:36] <seb128> ok, quite some unity people are on vacation as well after UDS
[17:36] <seb128> ted was around earlier, could be lunch time for him, if you can wait a bit he will probably be back
[17:37] <walters> ok, thanks
[17:43] <seb128> kenvandine, could you turn bug #848968 to verification done, I think you said you had the issue and the update fixed it for you?
[17:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 848968 in evolution "Google Calendar reminders display unnecessarily" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848968
[17:44] <seb128> pedro_, could you maybe help to get some green on the evo sru?
[17:44] <kenvandine> seb128, sure
[17:44] <seb128> it's in the queue for 21 days
[17:44] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[17:44] <pedro_> still there?
[17:44] <pedro_> seb128, ok i'll check it
[17:44] <seb128> pedro_, thanks
[17:45] <pedro_> no problem
[17:45] <seb128> pedro_, the indicators as well
[17:45] <pedro_> yeah will look at all the desktop related sru's
[17:45] <didrocks> ok, time for some dance, see you tomorrow (on swap, but will connect)
[17:46] <pedro_> didrocks, have fun :-)
[17:47] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i know what's causing your launcher count problem with thunderbird!
[17:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, is it fixed yet!
[17:47] <chrisccoulson> lol
[17:47] <seb128> tedg, hey, walters was looking for you
[17:48] <seb128> tedg, they want somebody from unity on #gtk+, they are looking at merging gmenumodel
[17:48] <seb128> want -> could use
[17:48] <seb128> desrt is not around this week
[17:48] <seb128> chrisccoulson, what is it?
[17:48] <tedg> Ah, desrt would be a better candidate...
[17:49] <seb128> tedg, right, but he's not around...
[17:49] <chrisccoulson> we're looking at the wrong property changing on e-mails when clearing the count
[17:49] <walters> tedg, it's not critical to do right this instant
[17:49] <walters> tedg, but mclasen is pretty far along - e.g. we have tests
[17:49] <tedg> walters, Ah, I mean, I can help out.  But, I'd defer to desrt any hard questions :-)
[17:51] <jbicha> seb128: are you interested in sponsoring my webkit 1.6 merge?
[17:53] <seb128> jbicha, did you follow the debian source rename?
[17:54] <jbicha> seb128: they renamed it back
[17:54] <seb128> oh, I didn't notice that
[17:55] <seb128> yeah, I'm happy to review
[17:55] <seb128> do we still have a diff?
[17:55] <seb128> we should be pretty close from a sync from what I saw last time I reviewed it
[17:56] <jbicha> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/webkit/ubuntu
[17:56] <jbicha> pretty small diff, maybe I should bug kov harder about getting rid of it
[17:57] <seb128> jbicha, I think the conflict was not required
[17:57] <seb128> i.e in practice they have no common file
[17:57] <seb128> that would need checking
[17:57] <seb128> not sure the regexp stuff is required
[17:58] <seb128> it workaround some other symbols issues and might be cleaner but not worth a diff I think
[17:58] <jbicha> or we could just sync and make changes afterwards if needed?
[17:58] <seb128> jbicha, could you check if the conflicts is required? if not we can just sync
[17:59] <seb128> jbicha, yeah, can do
[17:59] <seb128> jbicha, the -common has /usr/share/webkitgtk-3.0
[17:59] <seb128> which I guess they did for the gtk2, gtk3 version to be installable at the same time
[18:00] <seb128> so no conflict there, we can sync
[18:03] <jbicha> yes, it looks like the conflict isn't needed, thanks
[18:08] <seb128> yw
[18:08] <seb128> chrisccoulson, is it fixed yet? ;-) let me know if I can help testing
[20:17] <micahg> jbicha: the conflicts for webkit are needed for Lucid -> precise upgrades ATM
[20:19] <micahg> at least I would think they'd be needed to remove the old library
[20:20] <micahg> squeeze -> wheeze will have the same issue though, I guess it's fine, assuming that apps will behave properly with both installed
[20:20] <micahg> *wheezy
[20:26] <jbicha> micahg: I don't know as I've not tested lucid>precise upgrades yet, but there isn't a file conflict at least
[20:27] <micahg> well, Debian will have the same issue, so if you're chatting with them anyways, maybe just ask
[20:28]  * micahg is planning to upgrade lucid to 1.6.x, but that's still a couple months off
[20:28] <jbicha> as a backport?
[20:28] <micahg> nope, security update
[20:34] <jbicha> micahg: I have a -ubuntu1 in the desktop branch if you'd rather keep the conflicts
[20:34] <micahg> jbicha: well, that would be the only use case for it, idk if it's needed, we can always add it back later, it's just something to keep in mind
[21:17] <AlanBell> RAOF: on the subject of colour profiles, have we investigated licensing pantone palettes and putting them in the software centre as a pay for item?