[00:00] <medberry> but you could run dnsmasq or something like that on a subnet or nat at home. I think if you really are intending to host an apache at home that has some actual utilization, you probably want to review your goals, your TOS, and your investment (time, energy, power, equipment, etc.)
[00:00] <medberry> putting ubuntu up on one of the host providers or up on one of the cloud providers looks more and more attractive if you actually have any usage.
[00:32] <atruno> can anyone recommend a domain registrar that is better than godaddy.com ?
[00:34] <EvilResistance> atruno:  define "better"
[00:39] <atruno> EvilResistance, thats relative i'm open to any suggestions
[00:39] <EvilResistance> atruno:  well you need to have a definiton of better in order to get an answer
[00:39] <EvilResistance> fwiw, i use 1and1 for domain registration
[00:40] <EvilResistance> but then dump DNS into zoneedit
[00:40] <atruno> thank you
[00:40] <EvilResistance> atruno:  1and1 has horrid DNS so you'd need third party or your own hosted
[00:40] <EvilResistance> atruno:  there's tons of other registrats out there, google for "domain registrar comparison"
[00:41] <twb> It seems silly to use your restrar for DNS (or any other) hosting
[01:38] <SpamapS> twb: its so easy to use the registrar for DNS at this point.. for anything "not serious" .. way easier than setting up two of your own servers :P
[01:39] <twb> Grmph
[01:39] <twb> I'd rather handball the DNS to zoneedit than a registrar
[02:36] <twb> OK so I have a lucid server that runs a big bag of streamripper processes, currently started up via a really horrible perl script invoked by a really horrible sysvinit job.
[02:36] <twb> the config file looks like this: http://paste.debian.net/144034/ (first field is the port to listen on)
[02:36] <twb> I'm thinking this should really be an upstart job that has multiple instances
[02:49] <Matrix3000_> http://screencast.com/t/boan8xWx6o
[02:49] <Matrix3000_> i love it
[02:49] <Matrix3000_> apt has supercow powers
[02:50] <twb> Matrix3000_: "apt-get moo"
[02:51] <Matrix3000_> ha that's awesome
[02:51] <Matrix3000_> that's a awesome easter egg
[02:51] <Matrix3000_> any others?
[02:55] <twb> Matrix3000_: in Excel there is a flight sim
[04:53] <c_heathcott> Hello.  I'm running a fresh install of 11.10 and running into issues with kvm/libvirt and bridged networking.  I've been referring to the KVM page in the community docs, and right now I've got the bridge interface setup on the host and I can ping to and from the host on my LAN.
[04:53] <c_heathcott> I've assigned the bridge interface to the VM guests, and assigned static IPs on the same subnet within each guest, but I still can't ping to or from any of the guests.
[04:53] <c_heathcott> Is it necessary to setup IP aliases in the host interfaces configuration, or should I simply be able to assign static IPs within each guest?  I've seen postings on the forums that seemed to indicate the latter although the community docs page goes through the steps of the former.
[05:29] <jehoshua02> I'm having a mounting problem with an entry in my /etc/fstab file.
[05:31] <jehoshua02> ... actually, I think the vbox share name is wrong ...
[05:31] <jehoshua02> ... so not an ubuntu question.
[06:14] <TheDigitalNinja> in a pam config file  if i want to set pam_mysql.so to use a non startard port  do i do host = hostname:port   or host = hostname port = port  ?
[06:16] <skypent> Hey there, anyone know of good programs to install on a server that can tell me the IPs or users currently accessing the system?
[06:20] <TheDigitalNinja> skypent: netstat -a should do the trick
[06:21] <skypent> TheDigitalNinja : Thanks.
[07:37] <jetole> Does anyone know an application that can monitor HTTP response times and create some pretty web graphs aside from smokeping?
[07:38] <twb> Is "pretty graphs" a hard requirement?
[07:39] <jetole> I'm partial to RRD but I guess no, it's not a requirement
[07:39] <jetole> the data is more important then the graph
[07:39] <SpamapS> apachepong anyone?
[07:39] <twb> SpamapS: it sure does
[07:40] <jetole> heh. lol
[07:40] <jetole> well in this case, the majority of the http servers are IIS but apache pong is cute
[07:42] <jetole> I like the smoke ping style and while the "smoke" concept of send multi pings to record difference between median, high and low is useful I want to limit to send only one ping per check but smoke ping doesn't support less then 3
[07:43] <twb> FWIW I have collectd look at the detailed server_status page, which is not the same thing
[07:44] <twb> jetole: re median -- less than 20 or so is generally not statistically sound, let alone one :P
[07:44] <jetole> I'll have to google collectd. I know of it but been years since I read up on it and lack of a photographic memory and all
[07:44] <twb> It's a generic snarfers -> rrds solution, usually coupled with a separate rrds -> pretty graphs
[07:45] <jetole> twb: depends on the context of the check and the perspective of the observation, for example if I send one check every minute then very narrow jumps arern't much of a concern but I can watch steady rise and fall and notice sudden jumps when they are maintained long enough
[07:46] <SpamapS> If you want resolution under 1 minute.. you should be tailing logs or sniffing traffic, not probing from outside.
[07:47] <jetole> well I didn't say _under_ one minute but yeah I see your point
[07:56] <jetole> oh now this is cool to watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s98-5rZIVyk&feature=related
[07:59] <jetole> I never realized software development could be this entertaining from this perspective
[08:02] <twb> When I am pair programming/sysadminning, I usually finish every sentence with "quick!  Quick!  Type faster!"
[08:02] <twb> "Not that left your other left!"
[08:02] <twb> Really keep them on their toes
[08:03] <jetole> heh. Well thank god we got admins to deal with the -l users. I'm an engineer and my work is typically around the data center
[08:04] <jetole> I guess if I had typed that faster he would have seen it before he quit :-(
[08:47] <jehoshua02> Does anybody understand how to use the fmask option in the mount command? I'm using 027, hoping for "-rwxr-----". Any reason why I would get "-rw-r-----" instead?
[10:48] <plm> Hi all
[10:48] <plm> people, where aI see list of packages of ubuntu 11.10?
[10:50] <lynxman> morning o/
[10:53] <plm> what is postgresql version in ubuntu 11.10?
[10:55] <lynxman> plm: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgresql-8.4
[10:58] <plm> lynxman: that is about “postgresql-8.4” package in Ubuntu
[10:59] <plm> lynxman:  I would like know where I see a list of pacakges in ubuntu 11.10. I think are there some place where I can see all packages and version of pacakges contents in ubuntu 11.10 right?
[11:00] <lynxman> plm: I guess so, can't remember form the top of my head though :/
[11:00] <plm> anyone? google not tell me :-)
[11:00] <plm> *told
[11:02] <jamespage> plm: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[11:08] <plm> jamespage: thanks
[11:08] <jamespage> np
[11:29] <Daviey> lynxman: can you follow up on bug 874981, please? :)
[11:31] <Daviey> jamespage: is libcommons-dbcp-java merge on your radar?
[11:32] <jamespage> Daviey: I took a look - see comment - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+localpackagediffs?field.name_filter=libcommons-dbcp-java&field.package_type=non-ignored&field.package_type-empty-marker=1
[11:32] <lynxman> Daviey: I reported on it on the server meeting yesterday :)
[11:32] <lynxman> Daviey: and got some extra news
[11:33] <Daviey> lynxman: ok, thanks - i'll catch up on that
[11:33] <lynxman> Daviey: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-08-16.09.moin.txt
[11:34] <Daviey> NCommander: are you planning to attack ipmitool?
[11:36] <Daviey> adam_g: facter merge on your shoulders?
[11:40] <eagles0513875|2> hey guys i have a very nasty issue
[11:41] <eagles0513875|2> apt-cache policy is showing i have libcupsys2-dev installed yet its showing there is no installation candidate and that its not installed yet it is installed on my system and there is an install candidate available
[11:50] <ikonia> eagles0513875|2: confirm if the package is installed yes/no before deciding how to proceed
[11:51] <eagles0513875|2> apt-cache policy is showing installed and candidate as none
[11:51] <eagles0513875|2> yet when i do apt-get install libcupsys2-dev it tells me that its already installed
[11:52] <ikonia> eagles0513875|2: apt-cache is not showing what's installed
[11:52] <ikonia> confirm if the package manager believes it's installed or not
[11:52] <eagles0513875|2> that the libcupsys2-dev package is installed
[11:52] <eagles0513875|2> and also its not showing a candidate package that can be installed
[11:52] <ikonia> eagles0513875|2: ok, how did you verify that
[11:52] <eagles0513875|2> with apt-cache policy
[11:53] <ikonia> apt-cache policy does not list what's installed
[11:53] <ikonia> how are you confirming it's installed
[11:53] <eagles0513875|2> i usually do it that way to confirm as it shows if its installed and gives you the version of the package installed
[11:53] <ikonia> that is showing the policy
[11:53] <ikonia> confirm the package manager thinks it's installed
[11:54] <eagles0513875|2> ok. how though
[11:54] <ikonia> you're a paid sysadmin ?
[11:55] <ikonia> I'll leave you to work that out, I'm happy to help, but I'm not feeding you the basics after the ammount of time you spend bragging how much of a paid/quality sysadmin you are
[11:55] <ikonia> once you've done that, we can walk it through
[11:55] <eagles0513875|2> ok found the answer on google
[11:55] <ikonia> how are you confirming it's installed
[11:56] <eagles0513875|2> dpkg --get-selection | grep cups
[11:56] <ikonia> so can you see the package in that list ?
[11:56] <eagles0513875|2> yes
[11:56] <ikonia> ok - so the package manager believes it's installed
[11:57] <eagles0513875|2> ill be back later off to lunch
[11:57] <ikonia> ok
[13:46] <lynxman> jamespage: ping
[13:46] <jamespage> lynxman: pong
[13:46] <lynxman> jamespage: need some help with a java process start script
[13:46] <lynxman> jamespage: let me pm you
[13:47] <jamespage> here is good
[13:47] <lynxman> jamespage: ah cool
[13:47] <lynxman> jamespage: dealing with the activemq startup script
[13:47] <lynxman> apart from lack of dependencies (doesn't depend on openjdk, need to fix)
[13:47] <lynxman> the script won't start a heatlhy instance, where if I feed the parameters manually it will
[13:47]  * jamespage checks 
[13:49] <jamespage> lynxman: deps look OK
[13:49] <jamespage> just pulling the source
[13:49] <lynxman> jamespage: k,just check the init, the start-stop-daemon line doesn't spawn anything
[13:51] <lynxman> jamespage: whereas if I do su - activemq -c "/usr/bin/activemq start xbean:activemq.xml" it does run
[13:54] <jamespage> lynxman: precise or oneiric?
[13:54] <lynxman> jamespage: precise
[13:54] <jamespage> hmm
[13:56] <jamespage> lynxman: I just tried enabling the main instance as it worked OK for me
[13:56] <jamespage> anything specific you are doing different?
[13:56] <lynxman> jamespage: oh bummer.. then my box is broken :/
[13:56] <lynxman> jamespage: just ln -s the instance from available then start
[13:56] <jamespage> yes
[13:56] <lynxman> jamespage: somethings borken with my precise machine then :/
[13:57] <jamespage> lynxman, http://paste.ubuntu.com/733086/
[13:57] <jamespage> and http://paste.ubuntu.com/733086/
[13:57] <lynxman> jamespage: same
[13:58] <lynxman> jamespage: I'll just reinstall my devel vm, this one is broken I reckon
[13:58] <jamespage> lynxman: looks that way
[13:58] <lynxman> jamespage: thanks a bunch :)
[13:58] <jamespage> np
[13:59] <jamespage> that init script would be so much simpler with upstart
[13:59]  * jamespage puts that on the TODO list
[14:01] <bitshift> Hi, me again - not sure why but the Ubuntu Server Installer goes away and doesn't come back after picking the mirror to use. No errors in dmesg, last thing I see is about ethernet link up - and syslog has some messages about goog signature from package maintainers or something but nothing else (10.04.3) what should I do?
[14:02] <lynxman> jamespage: that would be schweet
[14:02] <lynxman> jamespage: do we have isos of precise server yet?
[14:02] <jamespage> lynxman: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ looks that way
[14:02] <jamespage> not tried one yet tho
[14:03] <lynxman> jamespage: cool :)
[14:03] <lynxman> jamespage: always forget about the url... doh
[14:03] <jamespage> you should try a 'bookmark' - they are great :-)
[14:03] <Daviey> roaksoax: hey, around?
[14:03] <lynxman> jamespage: can you talk more about that bookmark thing, it sounds interesting
[14:03] <jamespage> lol
[14:06] <Daviey> jamespage: have your invoice book to hand.
[14:07] <smoser> lynxman has a precise machine. bravo.
[14:07] <smoser> you're weeks behind Daviey though. he upgrades as soon as the archive opens.
[14:08] <zul> wait desktop or server?
[14:09] <bitshift> can anyone help with a lack of any activity from the 10.04.3 server installer?
[14:10] <ninjix> bitshift: physical or virtual?
[14:10] <bitshift> physical
[14:10] <ninjix> upgrade?
[14:10] <bitshift> no, fresh
[14:10] <bitshift> it configured the network card and asked me which mirror to use, and then went away
[14:10] <ninjix> which did you choose?
[14:10] <bitshift> gb.archive.something
[14:11] <eagles0513875> hey ikonia i am back
[14:11] <bitshift> no errors in dmesg or syslog, installer has just left me with the blue background and hasn't done anything
[14:11] <lynxman> smoser: yeah I upgraded 2 weeks ago from an oneiric one, badly though
[14:11] <ninjix> might want to try again with one of the Canonical servers
[14:12] <bitshift> okay, I'll restart the installer and try - will be back shortly
[14:13] <smoser> lynxman, my upgrade monday went fine. laptop is happily running the pangolin
[14:14] <ninjix> heh, Oneiric not new enough for you :)
[14:14] <lynxman> smoser: :)
[14:14] <lynxman> smoser: that's one of the reasons why you're better than me
[14:14] <smoser> only one of them
[14:14] <smoser> :)
[14:15] <lynxman> smoser: one of many!
[14:17] <bitshift> It seems to have done the same thing, I chose archive.ubuntu.com
[14:17] <bitshift> It flickered something as though it was getting a package list or something but it disappeared almost instantly
[14:18] <bitshift> and then went away
[14:18] <khussein78>  i found this errors in my syslog,  iuse ubuntu server 11.04
[14:19] <khussein78>  http://pastebin.com/RvsyUWkm
[14:20] <khussein78> any idea about this
[14:26] <khussein78> any idea about this please  http://pastebin.com/RvsyUWkm
[14:32] <zul> smoser: ping you are using devstack right?
[14:32] <smoser> ping yes
[14:32] <smoser> well, i have.
[14:32] <smoser> i'm not right now.
[14:33] <smoser> i'm using xchat for irc
[14:35] <zul> smoser: with keystone?
[14:35] <smoser> oh. i dont thin kthat got sorted out.
[14:35] <smoser> i think you may not be able to use the ec2 api with keystone at all
[14:35] <smoser> !
[14:36] <zul> you can
[14:36] <smoser> so, thats your first bug
[14:36] <smoser> :)
[14:36] <zul> the middleware is there
[14:36] <zul> *grumble *grumble*
[14:36] <smoser> vish commented once that he was working on sorting it out.
[14:36] <smoser> that was probably 3 weeks ago.
[14:38] <zul> i need to figure out keystone first
[14:41] <smoser> jamespage, around ?
[14:41] <smoser> $ apt-cache show ec2-api-tools | grep Dep
[14:41] <smoser> Depends: default-jre-headless | java6-runtime-headless
[14:41] <jamespage> smoser: yep
[14:41] <smoser> $ dpkg-query --show default-jre-headless
[14:41] <smoser> default-jre-headless	1:1.6-43ubuntu1
[14:42] <smoser> $ which java || echo no java
[14:42] <smoser> no java
[14:42] <smoser> what went wrong ? somehow getting 'default-jre-headless' does not get me a jvm on precise
[14:42] <jamespage> smoser: yikes
[14:42] <jamespage> it should
[14:43] <bitshift> hory shet 10.04 has started installing
[14:43] <bitshift> fgsfds awesome
[14:43] <smoser> ok. wait, it did. i do have openjdk-6-jre-headless
[14:43] <ninjix> bitshift: selecting a different repo mirror work?
[14:43] <bitshift> no leaving it for 30mins seems to have worked lol
[14:44] <bitshift> suddenly saw network activity lights flickering and thought "oh god maybe" and so connected monitor and suddenly
[14:44] <ninjix> love auto-fix
[14:44] <smoser> ah. i see.
[14:45] <smoser> my old /usr/bin/java -> /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java
[14:45] <smoser> but openjdk-6-jre-headless now installs java to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java
[14:45] <jamespage> update-java-alternatives might be your friend there
[14:45] <smoser> ie, 'openjdk-amd64' rather than 'openjdk'
[14:45] <jamespage> is this an upgraded system then?
[14:46] <smoser> yes.
[14:46] <smoser> opening bug.
[14:46] <jamespage> good idea
[14:56] <smoser> bug 888100
[15:16] <roaksoax> Daviey: im here
[15:17] <zetui> anyone know about this error :
[15:19] <zetui> [ 6307.476929] ACPI Error: SMBus or IPMI write requires Buffer of length 42, found length 20 (20090903/exfield-286)
[15:19] <zetui> [ 6307.476929] ACPI Error: SMBus or IPMI write requires Buffer of length 42, found length 20 (20090903/exfield-286)
[15:20] <zetui> [ 6307.476938] ACPI Error (psparse-0537): Method parse/execution failed [_____SB_.PMI0._PMM] (Node ffff88011b64ad00),
[15:20] <zetui> every 5 sec i got this error on my machine
[15:22] <zetui> anyone there ?
[15:26] <SpamapS> zetui: looks like a problem with sensors
[15:27] <zetui> what sehnsors ?
[15:27] <zetui> --
[15:33] <Zanzacar> Hi everyone, I have created a new user with useradd, and modified the bash shell afterwords with usermod
[15:33] <Zanzacar> The purpose of this FTP account is to allow a friend to mainly FTP into my server, that being said I dont want him to have access to anything other then his home directory more or less
[15:34] <Zanzacar> how would I go about that? I tried rbash but that seemed super restricted.
[15:34] <Zanzacar> and I dont even know how rbash would correspond with a FTP account.
[15:34] <SpamapS> Zanzacar: you should be using *sftp* not FTP
[15:34] <Zanzacar> right it is sFTP b ecause its only over port 22
[15:35] <bitshift> and because it's just better, safer
[15:35] <Zanzacar> correct
[15:35] <SpamapS> Zanzacar: there is a program called 'scponly' which will chroot a user into their home dir. That might be what you want.
[15:36] <Zanzacar> SpamapS: Thanks I will look into scponly. My friend does know linux or anything so he will mainly only be using winscp to login and copy files.
[15:37] <Zanzacar> doesnt know, not does know haha
[15:40] <Zanzacar> SpamapS: this seems like a typo but I always like to be sure. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/94
[15:40] <Zanzacar> in the second step it says stfp-server..... shouldnt this say sftp-server?
[15:41] <plm> what is site to downlaod ubuntu server.. wher I can to choice file.. not that default in page..
[15:42] <lynxman> smoser: around?
[15:43] <smoser> here, l
[15:43] <smoser> lynxman,
[15:43] <lynxman> smoser: what would be for you the best way to detect the existance of another package from inside a postinst script of a package :)
[15:43] <lynxman> smoser: trying to figure out if activemq is there and otherwise rabbitmq
[15:43] <lynxman> smoser: just check for the config dir existance?
[15:45] <smoser> lynxman, i'm not really sure. there might be some policy regarding responding to the existance of another package.
[15:45] <smoser> at very least, i would not think it is easy to do for something like 'apt-get install rabbitmq activemq'
[15:46] <lynxman> smoser: yeah I'd rather not :) just check that they're there (they're a dependency already activemq | rabbitmq-stomp )
[15:47] <smoser> i really dont know, lynxman
[15:47] <lynxman> smoser: gonna check the deb packager guide to see...
[15:47] <smoser> you'll get better feedback, but not like it, in #ubuntu-devel
[15:47] <smoser> s/but not like it/but may not like what you get/
[15:47] <lynxman> smoser: lol, I'll ask there then :)
[15:47] <rbasak> roaksoax, zul: could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~clint-fewbar/ubuntu/oneiric/cobbler/misc-fixes/+merge/77771 please? It'll make it easier for my further changes if it's merged.
[15:47] <lynxman> smoser: well truth always hurts
[15:47] <lynxman> smoser: lol
[15:48] <rbasak> Or is that now obsolete due to oneiric being released?
[15:49] <zul> rbasak: this is going into oneiric right?
[15:49] <rbasak> zul: I'm confused now, sorry
[15:49] <zul> rbasak: er...this is a bug fix for oneiric right?
[15:49] <rbasak> zul: my fixes need to go into oneiric, and SpamapS' rev 52 probably needs to
[15:50] <rbasak> yeah I guess so
[15:50] <rbasak> maybe I should branch SpamapS' branch and add to it to merge everything in at once?
[15:50]  * rbasak isn't really sure of the lp+bzr workflow here
[15:50] <zul> rbasak: for oneiric can you follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates?action=show&redirect=SRU
[15:51] <zul> lp+bzr workflow is fine just the debian/changelog and stuff is incorrect
[15:54] <SpamapS> hmmm?
[15:56] <hallyn> kirkland, regarding the first work item in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-kvm (about orchestra), I know you said you didn't remember who that came from, but any idea who I could ask?  :)
[16:03] <lynxman> smoser: actually I liked the answer :)
[16:03] <lynxman> smoser: it's very cool
[16:13] <kirkland> hallyn: looking....
[16:14] <kirkland> hallyn: which one are you calling the "first" work item?
[16:14] <kirkland> "orchestra integration for preseed configuration (thin hypervisors etc) (Serge doesn't know what this is): TODO" ?
[16:14] <hallyn> that's the one
[16:14] <kirkland> hallyn: meh, drop it
[16:14] <kirkland> hallyn: i don't see it being that important
[16:15] <hallyn> ok, i figured maybe someone would want it moved to some orchestra blueprint, but sure i'll drop it - thanks :)
[16:15] <hallyn> hey, byobu-tmux q
[16:15] <hallyn> i was thinking abou ttaking the plunge,
[16:15] <kirkland> hallyn: yep
[16:15] <kirkland> hallyn: neat, it's really awesome :-)
[16:15] <hallyn> but does that mean all my ctrl-a shortcuts won't work, i assume?
[16:15] <kirkland> hallyn: what do you mean?
[16:15] <hallyn> i can't tell you how much those are built into my reflexes
[16:15] <kirkland> hallyn: no, i've enabled screen's commands in tmux
[16:16] <hallyn> ctrl-a ctrl-a, ctrla- ctrlw, ctrl-a-esc, ctrl-a ], etc
[16:16] <kirkland> hallyn: yep, all of those should work the same
[16:16] <hallyn> sign me up!
[16:16] <hallyn> ppa:kirkland/byobu?
[16:16] <kirkland> hallyn: source /usr/share/doc/tmux/examples/screen-keys.conf
[16:16] <kirkland> hallyn: yep
[16:16] <kirkland> hallyn: latest version is 4.46-0ubuntu1
[16:16] <hallyn> thanks - will install, ttyl :)
[16:16] <kirkland> hallyn: thanks, feedback will be appreciated ;-)
[16:17] <hallyn> oh I BET you'll get some :)
[16:17] <kirkland> hallyn: i'll release another version today with the byobu/tmux keybindings documented
[16:17] <kirkland> hallyn: :-D
[16:17] <hallyn> awesome, thanks
[16:17] <hallyn> no, wait,
[16:17] <hallyn> is it ppa:kirkland/ppa ?
[16:18] <hallyn> doesn't have 4.x
[16:18] <kirkland> hallyn: no
[16:18] <kirkland> hallyn: sorry
[16:18] <kirkland> hallyn: ppa:byobu/ppa
[16:18] <hallyn> ah
[16:18] <hallyn> cool
[16:18] <kirkland> hallyn: fwiw, ALL of my projects are ppa:FOOO/ppa
[16:24] <hallyn> kirkland, one thing slightly misleading, 'choose keybinding set' scares me into thinking that 'screen keys' means f keys won't work (but they do work)
[16:25] <hallyn> also, ctrl-a esc does not in fact work :(  will have to read up on the new way to cut/paste
[16:25] <kirkland> hallyn: hmm, yeah, if you file a bug on that, i need to rework that
[16:26] <hallyn> i'll start a list and file this afternoon
[16:26] <hallyn> quite nice.  nice and fast and smooth
[16:26] <kirkland> hallyn: it is much faster
[16:26] <kirkland> hallyn: at least it feels so to me
[16:26] <kirkland> hallyn: have you tried the splits yet?
[16:26] <patrickmw> jamespage, how much of the USIT framework do you feel can be replaced by juju charms?
[16:26] <kirkland> hallyn: quick start ...   ctrl-f2 and shift-f2
[16:27] <jamespage> not much of it TBH
[16:27] <jamespage> different use can
[16:27] <kirkland> hallyn: then shift-up/down/left/right
[16:27] <hallyn> kirkland: yup, it took me two minutes to figure out how to MOVE between them :)
[16:27] <jamespage> case
[16:27] <kirkland> hallyn: then ctrl-up/down/left/right to resize
[16:27] <patrickmw> jamespage, cool. just curious.
[16:27] <kirkland> hallyn: alt-left/right also moves between windows
[16:27] <kirkland> hallyn: and alt-up/down moves between sessions
[16:28] <kirkland> hallyn: i find myself using splits more than windows/sessions now
[16:28] <jamespage> patrickmw: until we drop tasksel from the ISO installer we still need to know that the simple application installs work
[16:28] <jamespage> juju will really cover the more complicated test cases such as openstack for example
[16:29] <kirkland> hallyn: *especially* when i'm on my 32" monitor
[16:30] <hallyn> i don't have one of those :)
[16:30] <hallyn> how do i start a new session?
[16:30] <patrickmw> jamespage, there have been comments on the ramp up time to validate new tests before they get committed to trunk.  Juju just came to mind.  That is a topic that will be brought up next week (although I'm sure we won't spend much time on it)
[16:31] <kirkland> SpamapS: ping
[16:34] <jamespage> patrickmw: not sure I understand the context of 'trunk' in this case - please can you explain more?
[16:45] <SpamapS> kirkland: pong! 'morning
[16:46] <kirkland> SpamapS: howdya!
[16:50] <hallyn> (answering myself: byobu-tmux new-session)
[16:51] <hallyn> kirkland, you should get byobu-tmux added to the lsit of programs using tmux on tmux.sf.net
[16:52] <kirkland> hallyn: cool, will do
[16:54] <hallyn> ll right, figured out how to get into 'copy' mode, but not how to get out (without ctrl-c)  :)
[17:36] <Daviey> smoser: is bug 789351 a euca or cloud-init bug?
[17:40] <smoser> Daviey, i would suspect that the metadata service is somehow bustecd.
[17:41] <smoser> and does not include 'instance-id' and cloud-init is failing as a result.
[17:42] <kirkland> SpamapS: okay, sru uploaded
[17:47] <Daviey> smoser: gah.. odd if it has, i didn't think anything in that area changed from 10.10->11.04
[17:50] <smoser> well, i suspect htat is what is wrong.
[17:51] <smoser> Daviey, i'd be interested in seeing the output of:
[17:51] <smoser>  python -c 'import boto.utils, pprint; pprint.pprint(boto.utils.get_instance_metadata())'
[17:51] <smoser> from inside an instance
[17:57] <SpamapS> kirkland: roger, will review shortly
[17:57] <kirkland> SpamapS: thanks!
[18:05] <pmatulis> damn, my squirrelmail got erased during an apache2 upgrade  :(
[18:08] <kirkland> hallyn: can you give me your feedback on http://paste.ubuntu.com/733348/ ?
[18:08] <SpamapS> pmatulis: uh, what?
[18:08] <SpamapS> pmatulis: did you have it hosted in /usr/lib/apache2 ? ;)
[18:10] <hallyn> kirkland, looks good.  no plans for an f- equiv to enter copy mode?
[18:10] <kirkland> hallyn: that's F7, as well as Alt-PageUp/PageDown
[18:11] <kirkland> hallyn: should I use the word "copy" there?
[18:11] <hallyn> ah, no that's probably sufficient
[18:13] <SpamapS> kirkland: accepted
[18:17] <kirkland> SpamapS: \o/
[18:18] <SpamapS> kirkland: btw, I am trying to get your old musica charm into lp:charm .. ever seen this:
[18:18] <SpamapS> 2011-11-09 10:17:23,885 unit:musica/0: hook.output ERROR: File system loop detected; `./sys/devices/platform/reg-dummy/subsystem/drivers/serial8250/serial8250/tty/ttyS3/subsystem/tty32/subsystem' is part of the same file system loop as `./sys/devices/platform/reg-dummy/subsystem/drivers/serial8250/serial8250/tty/ttyS3/subsystem'.
[18:18] <kirkland> utlemming: smoser: byobu SRU accepted;  could you guys help with the verification, so that we can get this tested and moved from oneiric-proposed to oneiric-updates in time for your next ec2 image builds
[18:18] <kirkland> SpamapS: hrmf?  no...never
[18:18] <kirkland> SpamapS: is there a find or something in there?
[18:18]  * kirkland checks code
[18:19] <SpamapS> http://ec2-107-20-129-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com/musica/
[18:19] <SpamapS> Anywya, deploys fine ;)
[18:20] <Daviey> SpamapS: your music collection is weak.
[18:20] <SpamapS> LOL looks like it exposes the entire filesystem...!!!
[18:20] <smoser> kirkland, i suggest that we test on next daily precise and oneiric build.
[18:20] <smoser>  * verifiy that it is not on by default
[18:20] <lynxman> SpamapS: GET /etc/passwd...
[18:20] <kirkland> smoser: +1
[18:20] <smoser>  * add-proposed && apt-get update && apt-get install byobu
[18:21] <smoser>  * verify that LC_BYOBO=1 ssh host
[18:21] <smoser>    gets it turned on
[18:21] <Daviey> zul: did you see bug #879853 latest comment?
[18:21] <zul> f*cking hell
[18:21] <zul> ill have a look
[18:22] <Daviey> :)
[18:24] <Daviey> SpamapS: Are you doing a mysql-server merge?
[18:24] <SpamapS> Daviey: transition to 5.5
[18:24] <SpamapS> Daviey: I'll mark it on MoM
[18:24] <SpamapS> oh, actually there's no mysql merge marked to do
[18:25] <SpamapS> Daviey: 5.5.17 landed in experimental a few hours ago.. now need to upload a 5.1 which will let go of libmysqlclient-dev and -server/-client
[18:25] <SpamapS> Daviey: then will merge them in
[18:25] <SpamapS> Daviey: then rebuild all the rdeps
[18:26] <SpamapS> Daviey: slangasek has also asked that we make a pass at making libmysqlclient multiarch .. so will have to take a stab at that.
[18:26] <Daviey> SpamapS: Oh great! Do you want to hijack bug 880339 at the same time?
[18:26] <Daviey> i'm sure roaksoax won't mind :)
[18:27] <Zanzacar> ?quit
[18:27] <SpamapS> kirkland: bug in /etc/cron.hourly/musica .. does not fail if /usr/share/musica/music does not exist.
[18:28] <SpamapS> kirkland: so ends up indexing all of /
[18:37] <lynxman> SpamapS: quick question for you, I have an upstart script that forks but writes a pid file (so it's pretty clean), I'm calling it through exec but I expect respawn, should be safe to expect fork or daemon instead?
[18:37] <Zanzacar> Hi everyone I wanted to chroot a ftp user. I created a new user. added chroot_list_file=/etc/vsftpd.chroot.list to the vsftpd.conf file
[18:37] <SpamapS> lynxman: expect daemon is for things that fork twice
[18:37] <lynxman> SpamapS: this just forks once
[18:37] <lynxman> SpamapS: after the exec
[18:38] <SpamapS> lynxman: so if all it does is forks, and then the parent exits.. and it never forks the main process again, its good for 'expect fork'.
[18:38] <lynxman> SpamapS: cool, ty
[18:38] <Zanzacar> after that I added just the username to the vsftpd.chroot.list file, after that I restarted vsftpd and logged in as the user, but I can see everything outside my home directory.
[18:41] <SpamapS> lynxman: note that I am a big fan of just having things run in the foreground and using a post-start to determine if its actually "started" .. at least, until we get 'expect exit'
[18:42] <lynxman> SpamapS: yeah me too but that would require patching everybodys config file
[18:42] <Daviey> smoser: Are you still working on the rabbitmq 'logged in' bug?
[18:42] <lynxman> SpamapS: which is something I'm a bit wary against
[18:43] <smoser> bug 878600, daviey?
[18:44] <Daviey> smoser: that fixes the issue on desktop and ssh?
[18:44] <lynxman> SpamapS: damn, now it can't capture the pid, we suppressed pid file on upstart right?
[18:44] <smoser> i dont know about desktop, Daviey
[18:45] <Daviey> smoser: bug 884964 i assumed to be a dupe of the issue you were working on, am i wrong?
[18:48] <Zanzacar> how is the format of vsftpd.chroot_list suppose to be?
[18:48] <smoser> Daviey, i actually dont know.
[18:49] <SpamapS> lynxman: yeah, there's no pid file handling in upstart
[18:49] <smoser> would have to test
[18:49] <lynxman> SpamapS: rats :/
[18:50] <Daviey> smoser: I might try your precise fix on my box here, and see if the issue goes away.
[18:50] <Daviey> If it does, we should probably SRU that
[18:55] <bitshift> Hey, how would I build just one module from the kernel source? Already got the build essential stuff and the kernel source for my version, but need the r6040 driver and nothing else
[19:04] <lynxman> Daviey: mcollective merged \o/ what would you like for sponsoring? branch push? :)
[19:05] <Daviey> lynxman: whatever you have been working from, i'm going to create a debdiff from ubuntu->ubuntu & debian->ubuntu before uploading.. so that works well :)
[19:05] <lynxman> Daviey: I've just been working from the debian package straight, so debdiff from that should suffice?
[19:05] <Daviey> lynxman: sounds good!
[19:06] <lynxman> Daviey: so you won't need the ubuntu->ubuntu one I reckon
[19:06] <lynxman> Daviey: cool, doing that now
[19:07] <Daviey> lynxman: sid or wheezy?
[19:07] <lynxman> Daviey: wheezy
[19:08] <Daviey> cool
[19:09] <Daviey> lynxman: does sid make more sense?
[19:10] <Daviey> lynxman: http://pb.daviey.com/sAY0/
[19:11] <lynxman> Daviey: not really, I'm sending this debdiff back to the debian maintainer too
[19:11] <lynxman> Daviey: but up to you :) I can finish this merge tom. morning otherwise
[19:11] <Daviey> lynxman: i think,  libstomp-ruby -> ruby-stomp is required. :/
[19:12] <Daviey> the other things seem sensible
[19:12] <lynxman> Daviey: yeah the debconf and po translations sure are tasty
[19:12] <lynxman> Daviey: will merge from that then tom morning ;)
[19:13] <Daviey> lynxman: you might find you can just apply a diff directly from debian onto your merge
[19:13] <Daviey> (and fix the changelog)
[19:13] <lynxman> Daviey: yeah but I was about to run out of the door :)
[19:13] <lynxman> Daviey: but yeah, that was the plan
[19:13] <Daviey> groovy
[19:13] <Daviey> ping me tomorrow then :)
[19:13] <Daviey> good work
[19:14] <lynxman> Daviey: thanks :)
[19:18] <Randolph> hi all
[19:18] <Randolph> I wanted to know if it is normal that when there are some updates for Ubuntu 11.10, the user does not need to supply the root password ?
[19:19] <Kiall> Randolph, I'm 99% sure i have to type my password out...
[19:20] <Randolph> Kiall, me too until today
[19:21] <Randolph> Kiall, sorry I must precise on ubuntu desktop
[19:21] <Randolph> Kiall, wrong chan
[19:22] <Randolph> Kiall, but if someone have an answer I will appreciate
[19:33] <lynxman> Daviey: finally had the time to do it, find debdiff attached to bug 874981
[19:35] <ball> If a small business buys a support contract from Canonical, will they be able to help with simple tasks like adding a user, configuring Samba etc?
[19:36] <SpamapS> ball: http://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage
[19:36]  * ball takes a look
[19:36] <ball> ...hope it's not Rick Astley.
[19:36] <EvilResistance> ball:  out of curiosity... you cant just hire a linux admin?
[19:36] <EvilResistance> assuming of course you're the business
[19:37] <SpamapS> uh, that might be quite a bit more expensive ;)
[19:38] <onre> not really if you don't hire him full-time
[19:38] <EvilResistance> SpamapS:  /me is an on-call linux admin for 2 local small businesses, charges by the ticket.
[19:38] <EvilResistance> :P
[19:38] <onre> good admin can do wonders in hours
[19:39] <ball> EvilResistance: Looking at these prices, an admin would be a lot more expensive.
[19:40] <Randolph> onre, but not miracles
[19:41] <onre> yeah. preferably the admin has been there when the system has been designed and planned :p
[19:41] <onre> that makes it much more likely that he can do wonders ;)
[19:45] <EvilResistance> mhm
[20:15] <ssureshot> I'm trying to find out where failed login attenpts are originating from,, I've got an ldap backend with s3 domain,, any anyone point me in the right direction?
[20:16] <Daviey> lynxman: great!
[20:19] <adam_g> Daviey: which? facter 1.6.1-1ubuntu1 -> 1.6.2-1
[20:19] <adam_g> Daviey: ? i can do tomorrow for sure (out today)
[20:20] <Daviey> adam_g: no hurry. :)
[20:54] <kirkland> hallyn: ping
[20:54] <hallyn> kirkland, hey
[20:54] <kirkland> hallyn: re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/byobu/+bug/888245
[20:54] <kirkland> hallyn: try shift-F3 and shift-F4
[20:54] <kirkland> hallyn: tell me if that behavior is "better" for you?
[20:55] <kirkland> hallyn: there's a very subtle difference between shift-F3 and shift-right
[20:55] <hallyn> no, shift-f3 takes me up, not left ?
[20:56] <hallyn> i see - shift-f3 is like 'ctrl-a ctrl-a' in screen - last active screen
[20:56] <hallyn> so, if i do 'shift-left' and then 'shift-f3', it does what i'd want it to do
[20:56] <hallyn> (but that's not really a good substitute :)
[20:57] <kirkland> hallyn: shift-f3 moves you "counter clockwise"
[20:57] <hallyn> (it's like having alt-tab for different app, alt-` for same app different window - too much thinknig when i'm moving doing something)
[20:57] <kirkland> hallyn: shift-f4 moves you "clockwise"
[20:57] <hallyn> oh i see
[20:57] <kirkland> hallyn: and will operate like a circular linked list
[20:57] <hallyn> i didn't experiment enough
[20:57] <kirkland> hallyn: shift-left/right are more explicit -- they *only* go left and right
[20:58] <kirkland> hallyn: right, i'm trying to figure out what makes most sense here
[20:58] <hallyn> yes, but the 'bug' i was filing was about being able to go left-right-left-right and stay in bottom window
[20:58] <hallyn> oh, i see why it does it now too
[20:58] <hallyn> i.e. if you have 2x2, you can move left-right-left-right and stay in bottom,
[20:59] <kirkland> hallyn: right, your "last" focused one
[20:59] <hallyn> but if you have 1 full-height and
[20:59] <hallyn> no
[20:59] <hallyn> if you have full-height on left and 2 on the right, when yo move to the left one, it just things you're in the top now.
[20:59] <hallyn> so it's never remembering where you were vertically
[20:59] <hallyn> it only tries to go based on where youare now
[21:01] <kirkland> hallyn: right, i'm looking at tmux code now
[21:01] <kirkland> hallyn: to see if your previous focus is tracked and stored
[21:01] <kirkland> hallyn: and how to reference that
[21:02] <kirkland> hallyn: there is a 'last-pane'
[21:05] <virusuy> hello everyone
[21:12] <hallyn> stgraber, did you say arkose already ships with its own bridge?  Where is that getting set up?  I don't see it in the package source...
[21:12] <kirkland> hallyn: hmm, i'm not sure there's going to be an easy solution to this
[21:12] <hallyn> kirkland, i had a feeling :)
[21:15] <stgraber> hallyn: no, arkose uses point-to-point veth devices to communicate with the outside (/31 on the 169.254.x.x subnet)
[21:16] <hallyn> stgraber, what does the other end link to though?  doesn't it have to connect to a bridge?  Or, you're using iptables on the other end?
[21:17] <hallyn> I see it now, though - thanks
[21:17] <stgraber> hallyn: both veth devices have IP addresses and arkose sets up forwarding + masquerading to make it work
[21:20] <hallyn> stgraber, ok - i guess for the lxc default config, to avoid changing lxc-start too much, it's still easier to create lxcbr0 and just set masq up for it
[21:20] <hallyn> thx
[21:23] <stgraber> hallyn: yep, that's definitely the easiest. Are you planning on starting dnsmasq as DNS + DHCP server on that bridge too (through an option ideally)?
[21:24] <stgraber> hallyn: I think we basically need options for: global on/off switch for the bridge, DHCP+DNS, name of the bridge and subnet for the bridge
[21:25] <|rt|> hey guys what package do you guys use for serving iscsi targets?  It seems as though the default solution to that has changed between the last LTS and current...so if you were running LTS do you run iscsi-target or the newer solution tgt?
[21:25] <hallyn> yeah that's what i'm doing, controlled through /etc/default/lxc options
[21:26] <hallyn> |rt|, you might ask in #ubuntu-kernel, but my impression was that tgt was the way to go.  ppetraki do you know offhand?
[21:26] <hallyn> stgraber, actually i think i'll hold off on making dnsmasq use optional.  I'm sure that'll come later, but i want to keep it as simple as possible right now
[21:26] <|rt|> hallyn: for the LTS that would mean pulling in tgt from universe but probably would make it a more future proof solution
[21:27] <|rt|> hallyn: with a new LTS version not that far off now
[21:27] <hallyn> hm, if it's still in universe, then i guess that can't be our recommended route :)
[21:27] <hallyn> oh, you mean 10.04
[21:27] <hallyn> sorry i thought by 'current' you meant 12.04
[21:27] <|rt|> hallyn: yeah sorry this server is running LTS
[21:28] <|rt|> hallyn: but I know that tgt is now the recommended solution with 12.04 as I've been playing around with it a bit at home
[21:28] <|rt|> hallyn: should I file a bug that the tgt package doesn't include the man pages in 12.04
[21:31] <hallyn> |rt|, that would be great, yes :)
[21:31] <NCommander> Daviey: when I have hardware, sure
[21:34] <|rt|> hallyn: in general I think iscsi (target and initiator needs some more documentation)  I may volunteer to try to get something done on the documentation side of things as that's an area that I can contribute
[21:36] <hallyn> awesome
[21:38] <|rt|> is the only way to file a bug these days by running ubuntu-bug <package>?
[21:38] <|rt|> b/c if I'm filing a bug from my desktop that doesn't have the tgt package installed that may look a bit odd in the bug report
[21:43] <EvilResistance> |rt|:  i file bug reports without ubuntu-bug all the time :p
[21:43] <EvilResistance> except i usually include technical details and crap anyways :P
[21:43] <EvilResistance> where crap includes useless information from the errors i get :P
[21:47] <|rt|> EvilResistance: where do you find that option on launchpad?
[21:47] <EvilResistance> |rt|:  what option?
[21:47] <|rt|> EvilResistance: I only see the button to file a new bug that takes me to the wiki on how to file a bug
[21:48] <EvilResistance> |rt|:  start by searching launchpad for the package
[21:48] <EvilResistance> um...
[21:48] <EvilResistance> for example
[21:49] <EvilResistance> this is the launchpad page for the package php5-gd: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+package/php5-gd
[21:49] <|rt|> yeah I've already done that do you need to get to the package page to file a new bug against it?
[21:49] <EvilResistance> i *always* start there first
[21:49] <EvilResistance> |rt|:  it never hurts, but usually
[21:49] <EvilResistance> |rt|:  ubuntu-bug figures out what to do automagically
[21:49] <EvilResistance> by pumping info into launchpad
[21:50] <|rt|> EvilResistance: ah the report a bug button on a package page does let you manually add a bug...but in the bug search page it takes you to the wiki on how to file a bug
[21:50] <EvilResistance> |rt|:  what packages
[21:50] <EvilResistance> package(s) *
[21:51] <EvilResistance> as well, what distro
[21:51] <EvilResistance> tgt?
[21:52] <EvilResistance> |rt|:  is this for the "tgt" package?
[21:52]  * EvilResistance assumes  so given your prior posts
[21:53] <|rt|> yeah but I just realized my error
[21:53] <|rt|> man tgt doesn't return anything
[21:53] <|rt|> but man tgtadm does
[21:53] <EvilResistance> :P
[21:53] <EvilResistance> |rt|:  fwiw...
[21:53] <EvilResistance> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tgt/+filebug
[21:53] <|rt|> so no bug to file :)
[21:54] <EvilResistance> you file bugs against the source of a package
[21:54] <EvilResistance> i.e.
[21:54] <EvilResistance> php5-gd's source package is just "php5"
[21:54] <EvilResistance> so when i filed a maverick bug against php5-gd
[21:54] <EvilResistance> i filed it against the php5 source package
[21:54] <EvilResistance> and linked in that it was about maverick
[21:54] <EvilResistance> so searching for the package's source package will lead you to where to file a bug
[21:55] <EvilResistance> if its in ubuntu's repos, then bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<srcpkg>/ is a good template to remember
[21:55] <EvilResistance> (note you need to know what the source package is ;P)
[21:55] <EvilResistance> for tgt though, the source package is 'tgt' :p
[21:57] <|rt|> yeah tgt is an easy one :)
[21:58] <EvilResistance> some people automatically assume that there's a source package for every binary in the repos though
[21:58] <EvilResistance> not realizing there isnt :p
[21:59] <virusuy> ElizabethKelley2: really, i thought that, basically because a binary is source code + rules to compile it
[21:59] <virusuy> well, it's more complex than that
[22:00] <ElizabethKelley2> Hello>?
[22:00] <EvilResistance> virusuy:  fwiw, i think you mishighlighted
[22:00] <EvilResistance> :P
[22:00] <virusuy> ups, thats right
[22:00] <virusuy> Sorry ElizabethKelley2
[22:01] <virusuy> EvilResistance: so, a binary isn't that?
[23:00] <Gr3mlin> hay all
[23:01] <Gr3mlin> whats the name of the headless sys spec monitor called? ive forgotten.
[23:03] <Gr3mlin> anyone?
[23:05] <SpamapS> Gr3mlin: sys spec monitor?
[23:06] <Gr3mlin> resource monitor
[23:06] <Gr3mlin> like, cpu, ram.. its got a strange name
[23:06] <SpamapS> Gr3mlin: like, top ?
[23:07] <Gr3mlin> top?
[23:07] <SpamapS> There are a plethora of plethoras of monotoring tools
[23:09] <Gr3mlin> :) i'll have a look at top, but it was saidar :) is top better?
[23:10] <SpamapS> never heard of saidar
[23:10] <SpamapS> Gr3mlin: if you've never had top, I don't know if you've ever really run a server. ;)
[23:11] <Gr3mlin> lol, its my first home server. just a tiny one, im getting use to ubuntu.
[23:12] <Gr3mlin> saidar is somewhat what i need, its got cpu, network, hdd, mem. what else do you need! :D
[23:13] <Gr3mlin> ok, HTop looks rather good.
[23:14] <Gr3mlin> thanks for the help! ;) have fun! :D
[23:33] <yaboo> should thank the people who helped me before on my soft raid issue, thank you channel
[23:46] <ppetraki> hallyn, |rt|, I can ask the QA guys and get back to you, last time I looked into this the answer wasn't straight forward so I'm not surprised that these questions are coming from the community