[07:40] <ging> does anyone know how you make it so when you need to unlock an ssh key in a terminal window it pops up the gnome keyring manager ?
[08:01] <diplo> Morning all
[08:05] <popey> Good morning
[08:07] <AlanBell> ging: it should do that if you have the display environment variable set
[08:07] <AlanBell> and morning all
[08:11] <ging> AlanBell: where would i set that variable?
[08:11] <AlanBell> happens automatically if you start gnome-terminal from a desktop session
[08:12] <AlanBell> if you ssh somewhere, it should pop up and ask for the password
[08:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning all
[08:12] <AlanBell> if you ssh somewhere, then ssh from there to somewhere else it won't be able to launch the local popup so it will ask you in the terminal
[08:12] <popey> lo
[08:12] <DJones> Morning folks
[08:12] <ging> AlanBell: well it does on 1 of my computers the other it doesn't, not too sure what i've done to it
[08:13] <ging> both are 10.04
[08:44] <daubers> Morning
[09:01] <selinuxium> morning  o/
[09:05] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:35] <JamesTait> Wonderful Wednesday, people! :D
[09:36] <andylockran> morning guys!
[09:36] <andylockran> It is a beautiful day.  How is everyone
[09:38] <popey> GREAT!
[09:39] <daubers> tired, sniffly and grumpy
[09:39]  * popey makes coffee
[09:39]  * daubers finishes his second mug
[09:40]  * BigRedS grumbles at the temperature
[09:41] <andylockran> popey: welcome back to Engerlands.
[09:42] <popey> ta
[09:42] <MooDoo> i'm ok thanks
[09:43]  * JamesTait is well, but still getting used to the miserable weather we've had lately.
[09:44] <MooDoo> it's a bummber, especially seeing as i ride to work on a bike
[09:45] <daubers> MooDoo: I did that Monday and yesterday, but surrendered to my oncoming cold today and brought the car
[09:45] <MooDoo> daubers: motor or push?
[09:45] <daubers> MooDoo: Motor
[09:45] <MooDoo> daubers: it's all i've got at the moment, either that or bus [shudder]
[09:45] <JamesTait> One of the benefits of working from home, I guess. Still have to do the school runs, though.
[09:45] <popey> :D
[09:46] <popey> Yeah, wfh is nice, I get out of the school runs :D
[09:46] <daubers> heh, if I want to take the bus to work I have to leave the house at 4am to get into the office (10 miles away) at 7:30
[09:46]  * MooDoo would love to work from home :)
[09:46]  * daubers would also like to work from home... but it's impractical without an antistatic workshop
[09:47] <JamesTait> popey: I could if I wanted to, but I like to take the time away from the keyboard and with the kids.  Gives me a bit of a refresher. :)
[09:47] <popey> i get out of it because the kids go to the school where my wife works :D
[09:47] <DJones> daubers: I get the same problem with the train, if I want to get to work by 9am, I have to leave at 5am, its only a 1hr drive
[09:47] <AlanBell> popey: snap
[09:48] <JamesTait> In terms of time with the boys it's probably a net loss - I could start work earlier and have fewer breaks, so finish earlier if I didn't do the school runs.
[09:48] <JamesTait> popey, AlanBell: I believe that's cheating. :-P
[09:48] <popey> ☺
[09:51] <Twinkletoes> I've got my zone file all fixed up, but what's the syntax for a catch-all, so <mydomain.com> will resolve to an IP address?
[09:51]  * daubers avoids the school run by not having kids
[09:52] <Twinkletoes> Is it just        @ IN A <ip>     ?
[09:53] <daubers> Twinkletoes: Everytime I do that I have to look it up
[09:55] <JamesTait> Twinkletoes: That looks right.
[09:56] <Twinkletoes> this is why I Can't find the answer, because I always ask the wrong question
[09:56] <Twinkletoes> I just want <mydomain.com> to work, as well as <hostname.mydomain.com>
[09:56] <JamesTait> Twinkletoes: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/732898/
[09:57] <Twinkletoes> JamesTait: thankyou... so just a blank name then!?
[09:58] <andylockran> Twinkletoes: that looks correct
[09:58] <JamesTait> Twinkletoes: IIRC that works because the context is already set in line 3.
[09:58] <JamesTait> Twinkletoes: What you had originally should also work.
[09:58] <shauno> with no name should just match $ORIGIN
[09:59] <Twinkletoes> Thank you :)
[10:03] <Twinkletoes> JamesTait: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/732904/
[10:03] <Twinkletoes> JamesTait: Is that correct?
[10:04] <Twinkletoes> Line 12 & 17 are the ones I'm concerned with I suppose
[10:04] <JamesTait> Twinkletoes: LOoks good to me, yes. :)
[10:05] <m4r35n357> is Ubuntu One throttled at the servers ? (for freetards like me)
[10:05] <JamesTait> m4r35n357: Throttled how?
[10:06] <JamesTait> m4r35n357: To the best of my knowledge, no, but I might not be thinking of what you mean. :)
[10:07] <m4r35n357> just really really really slow
[10:08] <m4r35n357> considering the amount of data and bandwidth
[10:08] <JamesTait> m4r35n357: File sync is slow?
[10:08] <m4r35n357> I'm trying to work out what it does, but the tiniest change seems to take hours to filter through and settle down
[10:08] <AlanBell> m4r35n357: I am fairly sure there is no intentional throttling, the only place it would make sense is the music streaming
[10:09] <feisar> morning all, when using Ubuntu 'ls -l' seems to list a date corresponding to when the files inside a directory were last modified is that correct?
[10:09] <m4r35n357> and I just can't work out what it does with several machines sharing the same files
[10:10] <AlanBell> m4r35n357: it does thishttp://www.theopensourcerer.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/action_queue_states1.png
[10:10] <m4r35n357> ie. if I upload a file, then edit it on two different machines, or delete it on one but not the other . . . . ?
[10:11] <JamesTait> m4r35n357: Changes on one machine will be synchronised to the servers and then pushed down to the other machines attached to your account.
[10:12] <m4r35n357> well in my system I keep having to re-share directories because it forgets between boot-ups
[10:12] <JamesTait> m4r35n357: If you make a change to a file that's synchronised while the computer is offline, and that same file is modified on one of the other computers, you can end up with conflicts.
[10:12] <m4r35n357> just now syncing stuff that I synced yesterday
[10:12] <m4r35n357> the docs seem to use the phrase "synchronisation" pretty liberally, for either data direction
[10:13] <JamesTait> m4r35n357: Probably best if you could drop into #ubuntuone - there are people there who are way more clued up on the client side than I am.
[10:13] <m4r35n357> JamesTait, OK didn't know about that channel, ta
[10:13] <JamesTait> I'm just a lowly server developer. ;)
[10:22] <MooDoo> pah !  pah !
[10:22] <kirrus> feisar: yes, that is correct, and normal
[10:23] <feisar> kirrus: great, thanks
[10:24] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:25] <JamesTait> brobostigon: o/
[10:25] <brobostigon> o/ JamesTait
[10:26] <DJones> ANybody with google plus business pages worked out how to have multiple admins, from what I've read, you are restriced to a single admin
[10:32] <bigcalm> Share a gmail account?
[10:32] <DJones> That seems to be the only way at the minute
[10:41] <popey> you cant yet
[10:41] <popey> its coming
[10:42] <bigcalm> If you build it, they will come
[10:43] <DJones> Ah well, a bit more patience needed
[10:54] <daubers> Any recommendations for an IRC bot?
[10:54] <popey> wicket!
[10:55] <daubers> is that still maintained?
[10:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Moar coffee and a wee required.
[10:56] <popey> not really
[10:56] <popey> lovely TheOpenSourcerer
[10:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> :D
[10:56] <popey> daubers: i think hugo has one in #tvrrap
[10:56] <popey> sorry #tvrrug
[10:57] <daubers> Heh :)
[10:57] <AlanBell> bot to do what?
[10:57] <bigcalm> daubers: eggdrop is an all-rounder you can add to with tcl
[10:58] <daubers> AlanBell: Some logging and some databasey factoidy stuffs
[10:58] <bigcalm> perldrop for factoids
[10:58] <bigcalm> Erm, no
[10:59] <bigcalm> Infobot
[10:59]  * bigcalm needs more coffee (I've already had a wee)
[10:59] <MooDoo> thanks for that bigcalm
[11:00] <bigcalm> MooDoo: I blame TheOpenSourcerer
[11:00] <DJones> daubers: supybot ?
[11:01] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[11:01] <davmor2> morning all
[11:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's better (ahhhh)
[11:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Coffee and TWO digestive biscuits
[11:01] <bigcalm> davmor2: you're alive!
[11:01]  * czajkowski kicks davmor2 
[11:02] <czajkowski> I have bruises from you buddy
[11:02] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: I thought you'd missed me picking on czajkowski for a minute
[11:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: Ahhhh sorry
[11:02] <czajkowski> git
[11:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> I gave that up davmor2 - I always end up losing.
[11:02] <daubers> Mihgt play with supybot as it's python
[11:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: to be fair though you started it :P
[11:02] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski nice to have you both back
[11:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: morning dude
[11:03] <DJones> daubers: supybot is what ubottu is based with the encyclopedia plugin
[11:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: Cause I am :)
[11:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: morning man, eventful trip to the states
[11:04] <DJones> daubers: This might help for background info http://ubottu.com/guide/
[11:04] <davmor2> MooDoo: Meh got to pick on czajkowski in person and we are both alive
[11:04] <Dave2> :o
[11:05] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski what's wrong with you pair? still alive? pah! you're obvciously not trying hard enough, just wait till i see you both
[11:05] <bigcalm> davmor2: next week still on?
[11:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: indeedly doodley
[11:05] <bigcalm> Great
[11:05] <bigcalm> And the others?
[11:06] <davmor2> gord: next thursday you still on dude?
[11:07] <bigcalm> gord: the wifi/'net connection there is good enough to play Minecraft...
[11:08] <daubers> DJones: Bookmarked! Ta :)
[11:31] <davmor2> czajkowski: how's you're back now kiddo you looked like you were in a lot of pain even though the grimaced laughter and smiling
[11:39] <czajkowski> yeah tis so so
[11:39] <czajkowski> the carrying of a laptop clearly makes it worse
[11:39] <czajkowski> plus sitting down from 8-6 every day didnt help
[11:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> davmor2: That sounded very caring and sensitive. For czajkowski?
[11:40] <dogmatic69> sup
[11:40] <dogmatic69> does this look strange? http://i.imgur.com/5c8T5.png
[11:40] <bigcalm> Server not found
[11:41] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: you didn't see her dude,  we might have a love to hate each other attitude in public but I like her on top form still :)
[11:41] <MooDoo> davmor2: *slap*
[11:41] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: was that to me?
[11:41] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: yes
[11:41] <dogmatic69> :/
[11:41] <dogmatic69> can you try again plz
[11:42] <bigcalm> Same again
[11:42] <davmor2> MooDoo: What I like czajkowski on top form injured isn't a fair kill ;)
[11:42] <dogmatic69> :O
[11:42] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: what have you done?!
[11:42] <dogmatic69> broke imgurl by the looks of things
[11:42] <MooDoo> davmor2: like and czajkowski doesn't go together, so behave ;)
[11:42] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: cant you open imgurl?
[11:43] <bigcalm> http://imgur.com/ gives me a site without stylesheets
[11:43] <directhex> imgur is broken right now i think
[11:43] <bigcalm> Firebug is shoing s. and i. are b0rked
[11:43] <dogmatic69> http://oi40.tinypic.com/6nva0n.jpg
[11:44] <czajkowski> davmor2: took lots of pain killers getting on the plane so as to ease the journey
[11:45] <czajkowski> but it only gets as bad as you saw me when I'm really busy and dont taken enough meds and rest
[11:46] <gordonjcp> any recommendations for a working twitter client for Ubuntu?
[11:46] <bigcalm> tweetdeck works for me
[11:46] <dogmatic69> gordonjcp: twitter.com :)
[11:46] <gordonjcp> dogmatic69: apart from the obvious
[11:46] <MooDoo> bigcalm: on 64bit ubuntu?
[11:46] <dogmatic69> i find it the best
[11:46] <bigcalm> MooDoo: the box I have it on is 32bit, so I can't comment
[11:47] <bigcalm> Tis still a little buggy at times sadly
[11:47] <gordonjcp> I don't use 64-bit
[11:47] <gordonjcp> it's too slow
[11:47] <gordonjcp> for the couple of minutes your applications actually run, they're marginally faster
[11:47] <gordonjcp> but that's more than compensated for by the time spend rebooting from kernel panics
[11:48] <bigcalm> I don't use a desktop or web twitter client much these days. Use use tweetdeck on my phone. This usually means that I get more work done
[12:02] <andylockran> Never had an issue with 64bit myself
[12:02] <MooDoo> me neither, just adobe air doesn't like it much
[12:03] <Neoti_Laptop> Hi All, i have a problem with empathy since upgrading ubuntu to 11.10 it will not connect to hotmail i have removed the account and readded it all my other accounts sign in fine but the hotmail account on the accounts screen just has the green speech bubble flashing at me ... any ideas ?
[12:03] <directhex> Neoti_Laptop, yes, i know this one!
[12:03] <directhex> Neoti_Laptop, which version of telepathy-butterfly do you have installed?
[12:04] <Neoti_Laptop> how do i find that ?
[12:04] <directhex> dpkg -l telepathy-butterfly
[12:05] <Neoti_Laptop> ah ... of cause sorry im ill today and not with it ....
[12:05] <Neoti_Laptop> telepathy-butt 0.5.15-2.1
[12:06] <directhex> okay. "dpkg --purge telepathy-butterfly", log out, log back in, delete the account in empathy, and re-add it.
[12:07] <directhex> there are two different telepathy msn implementations, and butterfly is broken.
[12:09] <Neoti_Laptop> ah cool bean ..... many thanks directhex .... :)
[12:10] <DJones> Anybody had issues with Pidgin not working on connect, I find I have to disconnect/reconnect about 1/2 dozen times before I can get a contact list up
[12:17] <DJones> Ah confirmed bug 880008
[12:17] <BigRedS> DJones: I've had that a few times with one XMPP account
[12:17] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 880008 in pidgin (Ubuntu) "pidgin hangs on first start" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/880008
[12:18] <BigRedS> Oh, not that
[12:19] <BigRedS> I get it trying to connect for ages
[12:20] <DJones> I'd use empathy instead, but thats pretty useless in not raising a conversation window when somebody messages you, if you don't spot the little icon, I miss them
[12:23] <BigRedS> and empathy can't do away-on-idle which seems quite the oversight
[12:23] <DJones> I've never used it long enough to notice that
[12:25] <DJones> Ah well, subscribe to the bug & +1 for the affects me
[12:30] <NET||abuse> hi folks, what's thinking on gnome-tweak-tool? I've looked for a way to tweak the system font, so it seems that's the only way in Oneiric
[12:31] <BigRedS> It's what I use in Gnome3 on Debian
[12:31] <BigRedS> seems fine there, not had cause to install it on a ubuntu yet
[12:32] <NET||abuse> my screen resolution is 1440x900,, and the defaults in ubuntu are all just a bit too big
[12:32] <NET||abuse> so i need to push for a more compact layout.
[12:33] <NET||abuse> already reduced the launchers icon sizes in ccsm
[12:34] <gordonjcp> I need to figure out how to get alt-f2 to work properly
[12:34] <BigRedS> in unity?
[12:34] <gordonjcp> in XFCE it autocompletes based on your history
[12:34] <NET||abuse> gordonjcp: what's it not doing for you?
[12:34] <BigRedS> do you also get it starting arbitrary apps for you?
[12:35] <AlanBell> this with Ubuntu would be nice http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/09/transformer-prime-detailed-10-inch-super-ips-display-12-hour/
[12:35] <gordonjcp> NET||abuse: not autocompleting, so I need to type the full name of whatever I want to run
[12:35] <NET||abuse> it usually completes based on what it finds in the path
[12:35] <gordonjcp> annoyingly it will highlight for example "gnome-terminal" in the history below, but not actually autocomplete it
[12:35] <AlanBell> gordonjcp: hit return
[12:36] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: did that, doesn't do anything
[12:36] <AlanBell> and it will run the first thing in the list below
[12:36] <BigRedS> yeah, if you hit return it'll normally start the first thing in the list, sometimes what was first a few characters ago, though
[12:36] <BigRedS> and, other times, I find it just starts whatever it thinks I should be doing
[12:36] <AlanBell> which I will admit sucks if you want to run it with arguments
[12:36] <gordonjcp> actually that time it randomly started gnome-calculator
[12:37] <BigRedS> alt-F2, enter "openarena", claws mail starts "Oh, alright then, I'll check my mail"
[12:37] <gordonjcp> is there a way to make it prefer the history list rather than the "what's in the path" list?
[12:38] <AlanBell> if you do alt+f2 return it should run the last thing in history, or go down twice then right to navigate the list with cursor keys
[12:38] <AlanBell> or write a better lens :)
[12:42]  * AlanBell contemplates scrambled eggs with one of TheOpenSourcerer's chillis in it
[12:42] <popey> AlanBell: agreed, nice device
[12:49]  * TheOpenSourcerer just had left overs: Lamb Chop in Tomato Sauce, Couscous and home grown chillies x2 (1 Bangalore Torpedo and 1 Goat Horn)
[12:53] <popey> I just had ham rolls and a cappucino ☺
[13:00] <AlanBell> nom nom nom, spicy eggs are nice
[13:00]  * JamesTait is currently tucking in to chicken in Nandos sweet and sticky sauce, with pasta and vegetables.
[13:04] <davmor2> popey: you back home now?
[13:05] <gordonjcp> the popup messages from things like empathy, I think the way they work is a bit broken
[13:05] <gordonjcp> making them blur when you mouse over them and do nothing when clicked seems like really strange behaviour
[13:05] <gordonjcp> anyone know what the thinking behind that is?
[13:06] <AlanBell> that is very intentional
[13:06] <AlanBell> patches not welcome
[13:06] <AlanBell> and I agree with you
[13:06] <BigRedS> yeah, it's less annoying than gnome3's way IMO, though
[13:08] <davmor2> gordonjcp: Yes it was so you would need to open the application to interact with it, it was a conscious effort to keep people working but still involved with what is going on iirc not perfect by far but very intentional
[13:09] <AlanBell> gordonjcp: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/253
[13:10] <gordonjcp> davmor2: surely clicking on the indicator would have been a great way to open the application...?
[13:10] <popey> davmor2: ya
[13:11]  * DJones worry's at christel's latest nick change
[13:11] <Pendulum> gordonjcp: the point is to make it harder to open the application so that you're less likely to do so rather than doing whatever you're working on
[13:11] <davmor2> gordonjcp: no you have to physically go off and open the application, that is the point.  It is set up so you know what is happening but not spending the entire day in your twitter feed
[13:11] <superwoman> DJones: i am totally a superhero today!
[13:11] <superwoman> cape and all
[13:12] <DJones> :)
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> watch out with capes
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M68ndaZSKa8
[13:12] <DJones> MartijnVdS: I thought it was canapes you to watch out for
[13:12] <davmor2> superwoman: man I prefer wonderwoman she had a whip and everything can't you be wonderwoman ? ;)
[13:12] <darael> gordonjcp: There's also the point that it can be really annoying when one wants to get to something behind the indicator, if it isn't click-through.  Less so since the indicators came in at about the same time as the window-button move, but still...
[13:12] <gordonjcp> davmor2: as opposed to clicking on the big distracting thing that takes up a quarter of the screen?
[13:12] <superwoman> davmor2: haha i actually have wonderwoman grouped also :x
[13:13] <gordonjcp> or giving you some way of getting rid of it, so it doesn't annoy you for the ten seconds or so that it hangs around for?
[13:13] <davmor2> gordonjcp: the idea is you don't interact with it you just read it
[13:13] <gordonjcp> davmor2: right, but that's just annoying because the first thing I want to do is either act on it or get rid of it
[13:13] <nigelb> Just realized this channel dropped off my list.
[13:13] <Twinkletoes> I want to check syslog after restarting bind9/named.  I only want to show the lines since the last message "received control channel command".  I can filter on named using grep, but I only want the lines since the last message, as stated.  how can I do it?
[13:14] <oimon1> midway through my week off and i've achieved ...not much :(
[13:14] <BigRedS> gordonjcp: I think you're preaching to the converted I'm afraid
[13:14] <gordonjcp> davmor2: so in this case I either have to bring up the list of squares down the left side and work out which one is demanding my attention
[13:14] <davmor2> nigelb: shame on you
[13:14] <JamesTait> Twinkletoes: Use less. :)
[13:14] <gordonjcp> davmor2: or, wait with a giant dialogue box blotting out a chunk of my screen until it goes
[13:14] <Twinkletoes> JamesTait: It'd be part of a script, and I just want it to spit out the relevant lines
[13:15] <Myrtti> JamesTait: or watch, or tail, or grep
[13:15] <JamesTait> Twinkletoes: Ah, that wouldn't work then. ;)
[13:15] <Myrtti> tail and/or grep then
[13:15] <Twinkletoes> JamesTait: sort of like "search for the last occurence of <string> and spit out everything thereafter"
[13:15] <Myrtti> grep does that
[13:15] <Twinkletoes> Myrtti: really?
[13:15] <JamesTait> Myrtti: Really?
[13:15]  * Twinkletoes goes to the man page again
[13:16] <nigelb> davmor2: yeah, *hangs head in shame*
[13:16] <davmor2> gordonjcp: or click on the blue envelope or the blue arrowed application square or change the length of time it stays open...
[13:16]  * JamesTait loves learning new stuff
[13:16] <Myrtti> I think so, grep -A with high enough number
[13:17] <JamesTait> Myrtti: But can you limit that to just the last occurrence?
[13:17] <JamesTait> logcheck does something similar.
[13:17] <JamesTait> I haven't look at how it does it though.
[13:18] <darael> I don't recall if grep has a mode where it outputs line numbers of matches, but if so then that could be combined with tail to get the desired effect.
[13:18] <Twinkletoes> darael: -n for grep
[13:19] <darael> Twinkletoes: I was about to look it up.  There we go, then.
[13:19] <Laney> MooDoo: still on for tomorrow?
[13:19] <Laney> anyone else coming?
[13:19] <Myrtti> JamesTait: yeah, dunno if that's possible, I remember doing something like what darael mentioned with a script I wrote for Nokia some years ago
[13:20] <JamesTait> Myrtti: That's the way I'd approach it, working on a copy of the file though so nothing else writes to it between grep and tail. :)
[13:22] <Myrtti> yeah, the problem involved LaTeX sources that needed to be generated into PDF either as a whole or as a one chapter at a time, it involved a lot of bash/grep/sed/awk magic
[13:22] <Myrtti> and tail, if I remember correctly
[13:23] <Myrtti> and temporary files :-D
[13:23] <JamesTait> Myrtti: There's a lot of power in them there commands. :D
[13:25] <Myrtti> oh man, the war stories I have from that project...
[13:26]  * Myrtti goes to play with emacs and updates her LaTeX scripts for generating her CV
[13:26] <scoundrel50a> had a few problems yesterday, lost my Panel and top bar, wouldnt load after a crash. once I managed to find out how to start ccsm I managed to get both back, but for some reason it will only allow me to have one desktop, even though in ccsm in general options it shows I have 6. The icon in the Panel for workspaces doesnt work.....any ideas on how to get my desktop back?
[13:27]  * JamesTait goes back to vim and... "stuff".
[13:28] <scoundrel50a> Is there something in ccsm apart from what is in general options that you have to click on to get more than one workspace
[13:29] <scoundrel50a> could it be something in the windows options? its really annoying that I can only get one desktop
[13:29] <scoundrel50a> I just worked it out, thanks anyway......
[13:29] <popey> have you tried "..
[13:29] <popey> oh.
[13:36] <daubers> Odd chap that one
[13:36] <popey> can someone test something for me on 11.10 with unity 3d?
[13:37] <daubers> Is it going to kill my laptop? If not, yes
[13:37] <daubers> :)
[13:37] <popey> open compizconfig-settings-manager, choose accessibility and switch it on
[13:37] <popey> unity will explode
[13:37] <popey> your apps will be fine
[13:37] <daubers> Which part of accessibility?
[13:37] <popey> negative
[13:37] <popey> sorry
[13:37] <AlanBell> ooh really? without installing the upstream ezoom thing?
[13:38] <popey> i havent installed anything extra
[13:38] <AlanBell> mine crashes but I thought that was because I broke it
[13:38] <popey> unless i did and forgot
[13:38] <daubers> Hmm.. mine does nothing
[13:38] <AlanBell> doubt it, I was compiling stuff from source
[13:38]  * andylockran is installing 6.06.2 LTS
[13:39] <directhex> andylockran, why?
[13:39]  * andylockran is stuckon gparted not working, not recognising the network card, and not recognising hte CD Drive.
[13:39] <andylockran> directhex: need to get a system running with MySQL 4.
[13:39] <AlanBell> there is very little in that plugin, it should just turn on some apis I think, which text tracking zoom will depend on
[13:39] <daubers> popey: I get no response :) Unity is keeping hold of the super key, so can't actually switch the negative on
[13:39] <directhex> andylockran, why?
[13:39] <andylockran> directhex: legacy app
[13:40] <popey> AlanBell: the only thing i switched on was negative
[13:40] <daubers> Ah, now it explodes
[13:40] <daubers> Mine is definatley just with negative on
[13:40] <AlanBell> oh, you don't have the accesibility plugin by default
[13:40] <daubers> also, now I can't mend it
[13:40] <popey> i do have enhanced desktop zoom on
[13:41] <popey> i just disabled negative and it barfed unity again
[13:41]  * popey file0rs a bug
[13:42]  * AlanBell crashes here too
[13:42] <AlanBell> unity does not play nice with others
[13:43] <daubers> May have to reboot to make this work properly again now :)
[13:46] <popey> bug 888064
[13:46] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 888064 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unity crashes when switching on or off Accessibility -> Negative" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/888064
[13:46] <oimon1> isn't there an existing bug for those?
[13:48] <popey> oimon1: i didnt find one
[13:49] <oimon1> maybe i was thinking of 585552
[13:49] <oimon1> bug 685552
[13:49] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 685552 in unity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Compiz crashes when (en|dis)abling a plugin (ccsm) aka compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in sigc::signal_base::impl()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/685552
[13:49] <daubers> That wasn't fun
[13:51] <AlanBell> a fair few dupes on that one!
[13:51] <oimon1> i got a crash the other day when enabling zoom
[13:51] <Twinkletoes> Myrtti: back to extracting some lines from syslog... I've done it, but it looks awful...
[13:51] <Twinkletoes> Myrtti: grep -n 'received control channel command' /var/log/syslog|tail -1|cut -f1 -d:|xargs -I K tail -n +K /var/log/syslog|grep named|grep -v client
[13:52] <andylockran> what's the best way of running MySQL4 these days?
[13:52] <popey> !info mysql
[13:52] <lubotu3`> Package mysql does not exist in natty
[13:52] <popey> !info mysql-server
[13:52] <lubotu3`> mysql-server (source: mysql-5.1): MySQL database server (metapackage depending on the latest version). In component main, is optional. Version 5.1.54-1ubuntu4 (natty), package size 6 kB, installed size 92 kB
[13:52] <popey> why do you need 4?
[13:54] <BigRedS> andylockran: probably to just run a really old distro behind a firewall
[13:54] <BigRedS> virtualisation makes backporting less necessary :)
[13:59] <andylockran> BigRedS: Yeah - it's never going to be internet-facing
[13:59] <andylockran> popey: compatibility with some legacy apps :s
[14:01] <BigRedS> yeah, we've a
[14:01] <BigRedS> n etch box here for that sort of thing
[14:12] <andylockran> BigRedS: We've got an etch box currently running it too
[14:13] <andylockran> 4.1.11
[14:14] <andylockran> debian.­mytso.­net use to host them.
[14:49] <Myrtti> does segphault participate in the development of Gwibber anymore?
[14:51] <Myrtti> I'm just baffled by Gwibber all the time nowadays
[14:51] <Myrtti> reminds me why I've stopped using it on my laptop
[14:52] <BigRedS> I keep trying to see the point in it, and I keep failing
[14:53] <BigRedS> twitter.com seems to be the best Twitter UI...
[14:53] <AlanBell> any client that doesn't use the twitter streaming API is doing it wrong
[14:54] <Myrtti> I just want something that would integrate Twitter and Facebook and perhaps in the near future G+ into one app
[14:54] <Myrtti> in fact, I want Tweetdeck for Android to every platform.
[14:55] <AlanBell> I tried writing a twitter client, it works fine, and if I knew how to write desktop applications in GTK it would probably be OK
[14:55] <Myrtti> I greatly dislike how Gwibber has been 'gnomified'
[14:55] <AlanBell> as it is I am thinking of making it a specialised twitterfall type application
[14:56] <Myrtti> I don't know what has gone wrong, but the scrolling is atrocious and the theme is next to unusable in the dictionary
[14:57] <MooDoo> hopefully the next version will be better, especially as it's hoped to have column support
[14:57] <AlanBell> https://launchpad.net/circleoffriends if anyone wants to help make it less broken
[15:02]  * popey recommends polly
[15:03] <popey> it uses the streaming api like circleoffreinds so tweets appear instantly
[15:03] <popey> tis very nice
[15:04] <Myrtti> could someone atleast try to explain the difference of Gwibber's Home and Messages views?
[15:04] <DJones> popey: Do you know if polly has facebook/G+ access
[15:07] <DJones> nvm, doesn't look like it supports it
[15:14] <MooDoo> lol nice nic christel :)
[15:15] <christel> :P
[15:15] <andylockran> I think what I'm going to do is load dapper in a chroot and just run mysql 4 there..make sense?
[15:16] <MooDoo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UCADay - ubuntu community appreciation day :)
[15:17] <andylockran> :D
[15:18] <bigcalm> andylockran: why do you need v4?
[15:19] <davmor2> Myrtti: Home contains all messages, plus likes comments etc, Messages is only a view of the messages coming in from your direct contacts.
[15:26] <Myrtti> how baffling
[15:26] <davmor2> Myrtti: that's the only difference I see at any rate
[15:27] <davmor2> Myrtti: it does include messages you sent too
[15:28] <Myrtti> and the difference of these two views is differentiated by a little white triangle in the UI :-<
[15:28] <Myrtti> I'm really really starting to hate gnomification
[15:28] <andylockran> bigcalm: legacy app uses MySQL4 only bindings
[15:29] <davmor2> Myrtti: file a bug and point kenvandine at it he's pretty good to be fair
[15:30] <bigcalm> andylockran: ok
[15:30] <davmor2> Myrtti: I'm with you in that the two seem to be odd to have but then I don't know the master plan with it
[15:34] <dogmatic69> what the... just installed 'multi IE' thing (on 10.10 wine) for running different versions of IE.. opening IE shows some 'Wine Internet Explorer'
[15:37] <bigcalm> And?
[15:39] <bigcalm> Wow!
[15:39] <bigcalm> A twitter spam bot just replied to a tweet I sent 46 days ago
[15:40] <dogmatic69> any proxy gurus around? im getting loads of 502/504 errors :/
[15:46] <czajkowski> davmor2: see am being busy today http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Strobe-acquired-by-Facebook-1375813.html
[15:47] <Cassie> Hello
[15:48] <Twinkletoes> In bind, I want "certain" users to be able to edit "certain" zone files.  I added the 'bind' group to each user, but notice the zone files are group-owned by user 'bind' but do NOT have write privs.  I'm assuming it's a VERY bad idea to give the bind user write access to zone files, so how can I achieve what I want?
[15:48] <davmor2> czajkowski: I didn't say you weren't :P
[15:48] <Cassie```> I have a question regarding ATI cards for Ubuntu 11.04
[15:49] <Cassie```> Is there anyone here with some sort of knowledge with regards to that?
[15:49] <MooDoo> !ask :)
[15:49] <Cassie```> !ask
[15:49] <lubotu3`> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[15:49] <MooDoo> yay that's the one :)
[15:50] <MooDoo> lol
[15:50]  * Twinkletoes smiles at MooDoo
[15:51] <Cassie```> !ask I believe I have finally installed my ATI card with ATI drivers correctly but I'm a bit confused as to why I cannot play youtube videos in 1080 or 720 quality like I can in Windows XP.
[15:51] <lubotu3`> Cassie```: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:51] <darael> MooDoo: Wouldn't !anyone be more relevant?
[15:51] <darael> !anyone
[15:51] <lubotu3`> A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll.
[15:52] <BigRedS> I do think there should be a bot that reponds to every question that begins "does anyone" with "probably"
[15:52] <darael> BigRedS: ++
[15:52] <Cassie```> I'm a little lost know
[15:52] <Cassie```> Have I used this !ask command correctly?
[15:53] <MooDoo> Cassie```: it was just an informational really, what i really meant was just ask away :) if there is anyone that can help you they will :)
[15:53] <Cassie```> I'll wait it out then :)
[15:53] <darael> Cassie```: !ask is a quick way of us telling people "just go ahead and ask".  It prompts the bot to give the message it did.  Don't worry about it.
[15:54] <DJones> Cassie```: Just explain the problem you're having with as much detail as you can, which ATI card etc
[15:54] <Cassie```> The ATI card is a Sapphire Radeon HD 6670. I am using the 11.10 driver from AMD's site.
[15:54] <DJones> And what type of computer its on
[15:55] <Cassie```> Processor : Pentium 4 3.00GHZ with HyperThreading
[15:55] <Cassie```> 2GB DDR2 800MHZ ram
[15:56] <Cassie```> Watching 1080 or 720 on youtube is not a problem on windows so I am sure my hardware is not the centre of issue here. But I cannot have good playback on Ubuntu
[15:56] <DJones> I'm not sure about this, but would youtube 1080/720 videos need an extra codec from the restricted extras?
[15:57] <Cassie```> Elaborate on "restricted extras"
[15:57] <davmor2> Cassie```: have you installed ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[15:57] <MooDoo> Cassie```: ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:57] <Cassie```> No, and I do not know what it is.
[15:57] <MooDoo> Cassie```: it provides a number of extra codecs
[15:58] <MooDoo> Cassie```: have a look at this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[15:58] <DJones> Cassie```: If you open software center and search for "ubuntu-restricted-extras" and install that package and then try the video's again
[15:58] <daubers> does flash on linux support hardware playback now?
[15:58] <MooDoo> or just sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras from the command prompt :)
[15:59] <Cassie```> I cannot scroll smoothly on webpages or even in Ubuntu itself
[15:59] <Cassie```> Sort of the issue you have when you insert a new card and not install its drivers
[16:00] <davmor2> Cassie```: yeap which can also be down to the fact that you don't have the codec to play the video so it falls back to the most basic of settings
[16:03] <KrisDouglas> if it is happening to youtube/scrolling around is it not more likely that the proprietary drivers need to be loaded for the graphics card? (or the card is incapable)
[16:05] <Cassie```> I have tested using the terminal to verify the proprietary drivers are correctly installed
[16:06] <Cassie```> and the Catalyst Control Center icon is in the Sytem settings window
[16:06] <popey> daubers: it has supported hardware playback under certain specific contitions for some time now
[16:07] <bigcalm> Is flash still a going concern?
[16:07] <popey> heh
[16:08] <Cassie```> For instance I am on firefox right now, if I wanted to move my cursor across the tabs on top like bookmarks and tools, the drop list would delay in opening up
[16:08] <bigcalm> Not used it for some months now and can't say I miss it
[16:08] <davmor2> bigcalm: Yes flask are they keep you're drinks hot
[16:08] <bigcalm> davmor2: eh?
[16:08] <DJones> Cassie```: Is the problem just firefox related, do any other app's show the same problems
[16:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: I've not hear of this flash you talk of so assumed you'd misspelt Flask
[16:09] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Paul Mellors] Ubuntu Community Appreciation Day - http://paulmellors.blogspot.com/2011/11/ubuntu-community-appreciation-day.html
[16:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: :)
[16:10] <MooDoo> davmor2: you can read? *gasp*
[16:11] <Cassie```> DJones: , trying to test that
[16:11] <Cassie```> Yes.
[16:11] <Cassie```> Top left where the time is, wifi, power icon
[16:11] <davmor2> MooDoo: No I'm naff at reading ;)
[16:11] <Cassie```> when flicking through those it also "lags"
[16:12] <MooDoo> davmor2: i wish you'd talk proper like wot i does
[16:12] <bigcalm> Literacy skills are optional on IRC
[16:12] <Cassie```> Its almost as if there is more stress on the CPU rather than the GPU
[16:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: what? you swallow a dictionary again?
[16:13] <bigcalm> davmor2: in my previous job of manual labour, my cow-orkers would call me the walking dictionary :S
[16:13] <Cassie```> I am looking at System Monitor right now and the CPU usage history is jumping way above 60% when moving windows around the screen
[16:13] <DJones> Cassie```: I'm not sure what is going, it could be a driver problem, but I've never had a machine with ATI graphics so I'm not sure what you'd need to check
[16:14] <Cassie```> Appreciate your help.
[16:14] <davmor2> Cassie```: Have you installed the driver from additional drivers?
[16:14] <Cassie```> Funny thing is I hard a hard time to get the Proprietary drivers working stable so I can atleast boot up into Ubuntu, now that I get it working I face this sort of non-utilising GPU problem
[16:15] <Cassie```> I installed the proprietary driver first, then enabled additional drivers
[16:16] <davmor2> Cassie```: how did you install it first?  enabling it in additional drivers installs the driver for you?
[16:16] <daubers> Cassie```: You may also need libvdpau1 to make hardware acceleration work
[16:16] <Cassie```> hardware acceleration
[16:16] <daubers> (for flash playback anyway)
[16:16] <Cassie```> sounds like the solution
[16:17] <Cassie```> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Maverick_Installation_Guide#Installing_the_drivers_manually
[16:17] <Cassie```> I followed this wiki, which forums say is the place to go for installing ATI cards, so I did.
[16:17] <Cassie```> I used the command terminal to download and install the package
[16:18] <Cassie```> rebooted the computer, couldnt login, rebooted into the other mode and activated the driver from additional drivers
[16:19] <davmor2> Cassie```: did you reboot post enabling it in additional drivers and did you do the check to ensure?
[16:20] <Cassie```> When I rebooted, I had a black screen and could only see the top bar
[16:21] <Cassie```> top taskbar if you like
[16:21] <Cassie```> and had to reboot into the safe mode in grub
[16:21] <Cassie```> I think it was there that I enabled the additional drivers and rebooted into ubuntu
[16:22] <Cassie```> and here I am.
[16:22] <Cassie```> problem is when ever I try to install the ati driver it sort of fails to boot properly, the display is completely messed up.
[16:23] <Cassie```> I thought I made a sort of error in the installation. But I'm not sure what to do now cause other people with higher end cards than mine are working flawlessly with even 3 monitors supported.
[16:24] <davmor2> Cassie```: so if you open up additional drivers now is like this http://ubuntuone.com/4HlHOt3ZmVxGoHFihSLGwq ie the radio button beside the driver is green?
[16:25] <Cassie```> Yes. It is activated and currently in use.
[16:26] <davmor2> Cassie```: Pass then, the only thing I can think of is you're ATI chip only has partial support :(
[16:27] <Cassie```> "This guide will show you how to use the Free, Open Source driver for many ATI graphics cards called "radeon" or "ati". It will provide 2D and 3D acceleration in your video hardware. This driver is not as fast as the closed-source, proprietary "fglrx" driver from AMD/ATI Inc. for some cards, but has better dual-head support, and supports some older chipsets that fglrx does not. "
[16:27] <Cassie```> Perhaps my chipset is the problem but then again windows works flawlessly with it
[16:30] <daubers> Cassie```: Windows may not be asking for certain graphical features
[16:30] <Cassie```> My card is a HD6670
[16:31] <Cassie```> so the driver only has partial support you say?
[16:31] <dogmatic69> been checking out the server with the 504 errors and found something about "lsof". its set to 1024 and doing lsof -n | grep apache | wc -l shows 1024
[16:32] <dogmatic69> *1059
[16:32] <davmor2> Cassie```: No I said might only have partial support, it might be fine and the issue else where
[16:32] <dogmatic69> what is this lsof?
[16:32] <oimon1> list of open files
[16:32] <dogmatic69> what happens when lsof is > ulimit
[16:33] <oimon1> however it might be that apache has a 1024 process limit
[16:34] <oimon1> ulimit -a should tell you what settings are
[16:35] <dogmatic69> ye, its 1024
[16:35] <Cassie```> I've posted a thread on forums, hopefully someone will respond with a solution.
[16:35] <Cassie```> I only installed Ubuntu as university requirements to run a software called OpenFoam
[16:35] <dogmatic69> oimon1: ulimit 'open files' == 1024
[16:35] <oimon1> http://serverfault.com/questions/20183/apache-crashing-too-many-open-files-in-system
[16:35] <MooDoo> Cassie```: noo shush, you installed ubuntu as it's fun, free, great community ;)
[16:37] <Cassie```> I admit it is rather neat, if only it had full support of drivers and softwares it would really sky rocket, thats just my opinion though.
[16:38] <Cassie```> but then again what monopoly companies would allow such free operating systems to do so
[16:39] <oimon1> dogmatic69: one at the bottom might help
[16:42] <dogmatic69> oimon1: added that line and rebooted apache. there is now +- 1400 files open
[18:02] <andylockran> phew.. day over.
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[18:34] <diplo> Evening all
[18:34] <diplo> Anyone unlocked a HTC Wildfire ?
[18:34] <diplo> Sim unlocked?
[18:35]  * MartijnVdS has a N1, waiting for Galaxy Nexus
[18:36] <diplo> Just been given a wildfire
[18:36] <diplo> but locked to Voda
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8878537/Worlds-last-Sikh-warrior-who-lives-in-Wolverhampton.html
[19:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: WARNING! Be very Careful with that Naga I gave you the other day. If it anything like the one I have just eaten on my Pizza there will be trouble.
[19:33] <ball> I'm out of touch with the cost of server hardware in the U.K.  Does UKP 350 sound about right for an entry-level tower server with a couple of hard disks in RAID-1?
[19:33] <ball> (or a microserver)
[19:41] <diplo> Microservers are about £200 with£100 cash back ball
[19:41] <diplo> + cost of hard drivesa
[19:44] <ball> diplo: So UKP 350 is not unreasonable?
[19:44] <diplo> Nope not at all
[19:45] <ball> diplo: Thanks, that really helps.
[19:45] <diplo> I think my HP Micro box came to a total of £230 incl 2 2TB hdd's
[19:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.misco.co.uk/Product/Q444298/HP-G7-N40L-Micro-Server
[20:18] <Myrtti> would anyone happen to have a sachet of fresh-ish black Sugru I could buy off their hands?
[20:18] <Myrtti> mine has gone bad and I need to fix my handbag strap :-(
[20:18] <Myrtti> don't want to buy another lot just to have it go old on me again
[20:25] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/6329254789/ :-(
[20:28] <AlanBell> Myrtti: just done a merge request for your model M theme :)
[20:29] <ali1234> why don't you just sew a new piece of material over it?
[20:30] <Myrtti> because I'm not a cobbler
[20:30] <Myrtti> and I don't have moneys to take it to the cobbler
[20:30] <ali1234> i know leather isn't the easiest thing to sew but you only need a special needle
[20:31] <Myrtti> ali1234: well actually if I had fresh Sugru, I'd knit a woollen fuchsia patch I'd glue on the Sugru
[20:32] <Myrtti> that way it would also be less slippy
[20:32] <ali1234> i only have epoxy putty, sorry
[20:32] <ali1234> i don't think it is quite the same
[20:41] <mattt>   /j #bitlbee
[20:41] <mattt> herpderp
[20:43] <jacobw> derpherp
[20:44] <jacobw> o/ davmor2
[21:04] <davmor2> jacobw: hello
[21:39] <AlanBell> Myrtti: ali1234: buzz_: one reason onboard may be a bit slow on weak hardware is it draws the key lables three times to get the rather rubbish embossing effect which just looks blurry to me
[22:09] <popey> hmmm
[22:09] <popey> debian bug 548119
[22:09] <lubotu3`> Debian bug 548119 in latex-xft-fonts "latex-xft-fonts: Error when trying to run update" [Important,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/548119
[22:09] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E19  Burning Ambition - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/11/09/s04e19-burning-ambition/
[22:09] <popey> oooh, look at that
[22:21]  * AlanBell prods directhex with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[22:37] <bigcalm> popey: multiplication before addition
[22:40] <popey> :D
[22:44] <bigcalm> That better ;)
[23:07] <Azelphur> my computer is such a mismatched bunch of crazyness
[23:07] <Azelphur> I use XFCE, Compiz draws my wallpaper, I use nautilus and file-roller, and I use cairo-dock instead of xfce-panel
[23:08] <bigcalm> Use whatever works for you :)
[23:12] <popey> bed
[23:12] <popey> which is occupied
[23:12] <popey> bah
[23:12]  * popey goes to move the small person from the bed
[23:12] <bigcalm> Awww
[23:12] <bigcalm> Gosh, it is late :S
[23:13] <ubuntubhoy> you have a midget infestation ?
[23:18] <Dave2> I have TWO beds, both unoccupied. I win.
[23:18] <Dave2> Wait, that's not how it works is it.
[23:18] <bigcalm> Why do you have 2?
[23:18] <bigcalm> One for the goat?
[23:19]  * bigcalm notices this isn't the channel he thought it was
[23:19] <Dave2> because i have a spare bedroom. it mainly contains boxes and my laundry that's drying, but on the rare occasion that someone needs to stay overnight, it's there.
[23:19] <Myrtti> snerk
[23:19] <Dave2> hah.
[23:24] <christel> would you like a goat that can live in your spare room?
[23:25] <christel> if yes, i will get you one for christmas
[23:26] <bigcalm> Awww, that's true friendship :)
[23:26] <bigcalm> christel: can I have a pony?
[23:26] <christel> sure!
[23:26] <bigcalm> \o/
[23:26] <christel> (clo..oh wait)
[23:26] <bigcalm> Except I am horribly allergic to equines
[23:26] <christel> aww
[23:27] <christel> i'll get you a my little pony pony then
[23:27] <bigcalm> Yeah, does suck a little
[23:27] <bigcalm> Hehe :D
[23:27] <christel> mm
[23:28] <christel> i have been to loldongs
[23:28] <christel> for yummy japanese
[23:28] <bigcalm> o.O
[23:28] <christel> followed by an accidental visit to that haagen-dazs place
[23:28] <Dave2> christel, i don't think a goat would like living in my spare room :(
[23:29] <christel> awww
[23:29] <christel> no grass?
[23:29] <Dave2> no grass, limited space, i'd be out of the place most of the time and i'm the only person who'd be here, that sort of thing
[23:29]  * christel nods
[23:29] <christel> a
[23:29] <christel> w
[23:33] <bigcalm> Anybody like cats and dislike mice?
[23:34]  * bigcalm again realises he is not in the channel he thought he was
[23:34] <bigcalm> Damn it
[23:35]  * Dave2 claps.
[23:42] <bigcalm> Dave2: I'd get that seen to
[23:44] <Dave2> :(
[23:56] <bigcalm> Sleepy times