[04:26] <philipballew> pleia2, are you still on the american membership board? I have a question about a membership benefit
[04:26] <pleia2> yep, ask away
[04:27] <philipballew> I went to sign up to get put on the linkedin group a month ago and I got an email today saying they can not add me because I am not a ubuntu member
[04:28] <philipballew> or that they cant find any prof that i am
[04:28] <pleia2> send them a link to your launchpad profile
[04:29] <pleia2> https://launchpad.net/~philipballew/+participation shows that you are a member
[04:29] <pleia2> it's run by community members who have limited time, sometimes there are mistakes
[04:30] <philipballew> alright. I am unsure why they would think that. i'll look for the email on the linkedin page
[04:31] <pleia2> I'm not sure how they review potential members, it could just be a mistake too *shrug*
[04:31] <philipballew> im not worried. just figured i might investigate it anyway :)
[17:25] <BotenAnna> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4FLwjMIEvjw/Trq1W9vAyZI/AAAAAAAAIy4/vCbJGD_eir8/w402/323731_awwwwwwwwwww.jpg squirrel!
[17:26] <pleia2> aww
[17:28] <Faqtotum> looks like from europe
[17:28] <nhaines> They creep me out.
[17:29] <pleia2> sleeping squirrels creep you out?
[17:29] <nhaines> I don't like their eyes.
[17:29] <pleia2> they're closed!
[17:29] <nhaines> See?  You can't even tell!
[17:30] <pleia2> lol
[17:30] <akk> They're watching you anyway ... through their eyelids!
[17:30] <nhaines> I want a raspberrypi device!
[17:30] <nhaines> $35 for a computer?  Count me in.
[17:31] <akk> I want one too. A small low-power linux box with GPIO!
[17:31] <akk> (and cheap too)
[17:31] <nhaines> Nothing like a tiny computer + Debian to make for a happy geek.  :)
[17:32] <akk> I have a couple of plug computers, but they're a lot more expensive and can't control random hardware.
[17:32] <nhaines> I want one, I just don't have any use for one.
[17:32] <pleia2> sf ubuntu hour tonight \o/ http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/1378/detail/
[17:33] <pleia2> I am not convinced anyone will actually show up, I think we're getting into near-holidays-no-one-shows-up time
[17:33] <nhaines> ha
[17:33] <nhaines> We'll see about LF ubuntu hour on next Thursday.
[17:33] <pleia2> either way, I get hot chocolate and a change of scenery
[17:33] <nhaines> \o/
[17:34] <nhaines> Yeah, that's my motive too.  :)
[17:34] <nhaines> I'll have to make up the 2012 schedule soon.  With it being every other week, I schedule it so it falls out of the holiday weeks.
[17:34]  * pleia2 nods
[17:35] <pleia2> this month was supposed to be debian dinner month too, but I didn't get around to it
[17:35] <pleia2> hopefully doing it next month will encourage folks to come out even though it's december
[17:35] <nhaines> It's a bit of a chore, but far more convenient (for attendees) not to have to cancel or anything.
[17:35] <pleia2> yeah
[17:37] <Faqtotum> personally, i think the raspberry pi's ability to run linux is counter-productive
[17:38] <akk> Running linux is really handy for setting up a standalone device to run hardware -- you can script it in python or whatever, use cron, use networking etc.
[17:39] <akk> Makes it a lot easier to build a system than if you have to collect a zillion third-party arduino libraries, say.
[17:39] <nhaines> Definitely.  Python's probably the gentlest way to learn programming that won't ruin you like BASIC.
[17:39] <akk> Also, to some extent you can test your scripts on a desktop/laptop where you have a lot more debugging tools than you will on the device.
[17:40] <Faqtotum> if the point is to put fun back into computer science at a grade-school level, a device that can be useful out-of-the-box "short-circuits" that
[17:42] <nhaines> I donno.  Fun with computers for me at that age was Oregon Trail and Number Munchers on a green VDU.
[17:42] <akk> I'm not entirely clear how they're intended to be used in schools ... I could see arguments both ways.
[17:42] <nhaines> And very occasionally Osprey Lake.
[17:43] <Faqtotum> you can't learn programming simply by making a collage of other people's code
[17:43] <akk> I could see grade school students having a lot of fun making LEDs blink and all that arduino-y stuff ...
[17:43] <nhaines> But "Quasar Commander" on my TRS-80 CoCo2 didn't stop me from reading the entire "Introduction to Extended Color Disk BASIC" book that came with the computer.
[17:43] <akk> but it's easier to get to that point by typing a few lines of python than with a compiler/downloader IDE.
[17:44] <akk> nhaines: Wow, computers that came with actual manuals? :)
[17:44] <nhaines> akk: I didn't even know I was learning "to program", I thought I was learning "to use a computer."
[17:45] <Faqtotum> in the trs-80 days, there was no distinction
[17:45] <nhaines> I realized I was programming, but that was just sort of how you used computers back then.
[17:46] <akk> And that would be true of a classroom raspberry pi, probably ... with any luck it wouldn't be loaded with a lot of games and other ready-to-go software
[17:46] <Faqtotum> the linux kernel, though?
[17:46] <akk> so programming it (or at least echo 6 >/dev/gpio/whatever) would be how you used it
[17:47] <akk> What's wrong with the linux kernel? Grade school students aren't going to write their own kernel.
[17:47] <Faqtotum> they should
[17:47] <akk> Why?
[17:48] <Faqtotum> because that's what made learning to program fun
[17:49] <MarkDude> akk when you get a chance, I was hoping to tell you sumthin'
[17:50] <akk> MarkDude: Sure, tell! :)
[17:51] <akk> And funny, I've managed to have fun programming without writing my own kernel
[17:51] <akk> (though in HS I would have *loved* to be working on kernels, wish that had been an option then)
[17:52]  * MarkDude has long said he was looking forward to the day he saw akk wrong
[17:52] <MarkDude> That day was yesterday
[17:52] <akk> No! Not possible! :)
[17:53] <akk> (anyway, you've seen me wrong before)
[17:53] <MarkDude> The Big Lebowski was such a great movie, they started a cult (religion) around it
[17:53] <MarkDude> Well maybe I have seen you wrong (mental block on my part)
[17:53] <akk> Ugh, awful movie! Seen it recently?
[17:53] <MarkDude> So you are human
[17:53] <MarkDude> Its ok
[17:53] <MarkDude> YEs, I have seen it a few times
[17:54]  * MarkDude already had considered legally changing his mane to Dude before the movie
[17:54] <MarkDude> YEars ago, some of my students from UCSC , told me I WAS the dude
[17:54] <Faqtotum> mane?
[17:54] <MarkDude> Name
[17:54] <MarkDude> Faqtotum,
[17:55]  * MarkDude did have long hair back then
[17:55] <MarkDude> Remeber the part they spread their friends ashes?
[17:55] <akk> That part, I admit, was funny.
[17:56] <akk> Best part of the movie, maybe.
[17:56] <MarkDude> When my Grandpa died, we spread his ashes in the Bay
[17:56]  * MarkDude kids you not, the wind came up
[17:56] <MarkDude> same effin' thing happened
[17:56] <akk> haha ... horrible, but funny too
[17:56] <MarkDude> Grandma went to  be shocked for a second
[17:56] <MarkDude> then lost it laughing
[17:57] <MarkDude> My Grandpa was a yacht broker, and was very proud of NEVER falling into bay
[17:57] <MarkDude> Grandma said IDK if Im dead, I am not going in the water
[17:57] <akk> lol
[17:57] <MarkDude> ALL of on boat laughed, MINUS one aunt
[17:58] <MarkDude> She was not amused
[17:58] <MarkDude> The rest of waited until Gma started laughing
[17:58] <MarkDude> Dark humor, but was funny
[17:59] <akk> Great story! I think I like your story better than the movie version.
[17:59] <MarkDude> lol
[17:59] <MarkDude> Fair enough
[17:59] <MarkDude> http://dudeism.com/
[18:00]  * MarkDude puts that movie in same category as Napoleon Dynamite
[18:01] <MarkDude> Rumor has it to enjoy it better, some sort of imbibing is helpful
[18:01] <akk> I liked ND but found it unmemorable ... when I try to remember it I always end up remembering Wilder Napalm instead.
[18:01] <akk> I could see Lebowski working as a stoner movie, yeah.
[18:02] <MarkDude> lol
[18:02] <MarkDude> Dont forget white Russians work also
[18:02]  * MarkDude should see about us getting a bowling alley for party
[18:03] <akk> a geekbowl?
[18:03] <MarkDude> Sure
[18:03] <MarkDude> We already have a few that are Nihilist
[18:03] <akk> I think the last time I bowled was about 10 years ago ... a bunch of autocrossers went, it was a lot of fun.
[18:04] <MarkDude> That was good part also, Flea from the Red Hot Chili peppers was one of the Germans
[18:04] <akk> Autocrossers get all competitive about everything, even stuff they barely know how to do at all. :)  (and yes, that includes me)
[18:04] <MarkDude> lol
[18:05] <MarkDude> We have confirmed party day at Dojo as Dec 4th - hopefully you can make it akk
[18:06] <akk> Cool! Yes, I think I should be in town then.
[18:11] <MarkDude> Yay,
[18:11] <MarkDude> We will have both beef and veggie hot dogs
[18:12] <Faqtotum> party?
[18:13] <MarkDude> Yep Faqtotum
[18:13] <MarkDude> Sponsored by another project
[18:14] <MarkDude> We will have prizes, usb drives, swag etc
[18:14] <Faqtotum> ah
[18:14] <MarkDude> The grand prize winner gets a Beefy Miracle shirt
[18:14] <MarkDude> IF they dont want that, we will order them a Pangolin shirt
[18:14] <Faqtotum> be precise about it
[18:15] <akk> Ah, sounds like I should put F* (the F-word :) onto a partition on my laptop before then. :)
[18:15] <MarkDude> Well the shirt will be ordered after there is a winner
[18:15] <MarkDude> Sumthin like that akk
[18:15] <MarkDude> No need to install tho
[18:15]  * MarkDude really wants a larger FOSS picture here
[18:15] <akk> Yeah, I've been meaning to put it on my multiboot usb stick anyway (assuming I can -- opensuse can't be booted that way :( )
[18:16]  * MarkDude has agreed to carry Ubuntu CDs with him (still needs some current)
[18:16] <MarkDude> And has asked for otheres to carry another Distro of their choice with them also
[18:17] <akk> Which one is beefy miracle? 15 or 16?
[18:17] <MarkDude> F17
[18:17]  * Faqtotum was kicked from a fedora-centric channel for saying "ubuntu ubuntu ubuntu" in the FC2 days
[18:17] <MarkDude> We still have time for a few more parties
[18:17] <akk> oh, right, I mistyped
[18:17] <MarkDude> Faqtotum, lets go to that channel now
[18:17]  * MarkDude will make sure that does not happen again
[18:17] <Faqtotum> i doubt it's even still here
[18:18] <MarkDude> Unless it was #Fedora
[18:18] <Faqtotum> i don't remember the channel name
[18:18] <Faqtotum> no, it wasn't that one
[18:18] <MarkDude> Evilbob is well EVIL
[18:18] <MarkDude> Hell they dont stop me from saying Ubuntu
[18:19]  * MarkDude recommends Fedora Ambassadors go out of their way to be freindly with local Ubuntu (and other groups)
[18:19] <akk> We're all on the same side!
[18:20] <MarkDude> Now if I can get a drawing of a Pangolin, I can make a shirt with it, and the infamous hot dog
[18:20] <MarkDude> akk yes we are
[18:20] <Faqtotum> a pangolin playing a mandolin
[18:20] <MarkDude> Many in Fedora see bug #1 as common goal
[18:21] <akk> There are some great pangolin pics (only one drawing I see, though) on google image search.
[18:22] <Faqtotum> i think unity's rejection of the basic X11 protocol for displaying a tray icon is a more pressing bug
[18:23] <akk> One decent drawing in wikimedia commons, but it's not that cute: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pangolin_ggant_28M_gigantea29.jpg
[18:23] <akk> But http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pangolin%27s_tail.jpg (a photo) is way cute. :)
[18:30] <MarkDude> awesome pics akk
[18:31] <broder> pleia2: i'm totally planning to come to ubuntu hour today, assuming i can escape from work early enough
[18:31] <MarkDude> Where is the UH?
[18:32]  * MarkDude has flashmob practice tonight
[18:32] <pleia2> broder: cool
[18:32] <pleia2> MarkDude: the roastery in sf
[18:32] <MarkDude> What time?
[18:32]  * MarkDude will be doing this later http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuCQCEEAZ9o&feature=youtu.be
[18:33]  * MarkDude will most likely never live the flashmob thing down- the dancemoves are hectic
[18:39] <Faqtotum> i think the drawing is cuter than the photo
[18:42] <MarkDude> Well now the question is getting art team help to make a great design
[18:50] <Faqtotum> i <3 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Ocelot_01.jpg
[18:50] <akk> Gorgeous!
[19:01] <nhaines> akk: when you said you needed to put F* (the F word) on your laptop, I thoughty you meant 'fsck'.
[19:02] <Faqtotum> most distros already include fsck in the base install
[19:30] <nhaines> Faqtotum: sure, one reason that it didn't make sense.
[21:25] <dragon> 11/11/11 Robot & Device Hackathon -- https://www.wepay.com/tickets/view/18450
[21:25] <dragon> MarkDude: ^
[21:25] <dragon> This is taking place in Redwood city.
[21:27] <akk> Ooh, that looks fun!
[21:28] <dragon> yep. And I think they have an afterparty. I'm trying to find the details.
[21:29]  * akk registers
[21:31] <dragon> it's 3pm to 10pm right outside the hackathon apparently
[21:31] <dragon> with food and beer and music!
[21:36] <MarkDude> Hmmm
[21:38] <akk> Gah, trying to make a multi-boot live usb stick that includes fedora is Not Easy.
[21:48] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Next spring your coming with a vehicle right?
[21:48] <bkerensa> "D
[21:49]  * bkerensa needs you and finn to take some gadgets with you :P
[22:10] <dragon> rbarot_: check this out: https://www.wepay.com/tickets/view/18450 - and I'll call you soon. Or call me!
[22:13] <rbarot_> checking
[22:16] <rbarot_> done
[22:17] <rbarot_> thanks for letting me know
[22:17] <rbarot_> I will join you
[22:24] <dragon> awesome, see you then!
[23:09] <MarkDude> What video player allows for easiest way to mirror video?