[00:04] Yeah, it wasn't good [00:13] snap-l: http://vagrantup.com/docs/base_boxes.html [00:13] I was checking that out today debating on something like a bookie box [00:16] Ah, OK. [00:17] rick_h, i'd rather you waste time using feeding ubuntu images via cloud-init [00:17] hahaha [00:18] yea, I wanted to chat with you about alternatives for this [00:18] because I'll want something like this for LP so I can run/dev on LTS but run my laptop at latest [00:18] LP is chasing juju for obvious reasons, i believe. [00:18] but want something that's pretty quick/easy, offline [00:18] but juju sits atop cloud-init [00:19] yea, I looked at it, but didn't want to setup a whole OpenStack setup on the laptop if I didn't have to [00:19] but my thoughts is just inserting stuff for cloud-init to run on a cdrom, then start the kvm. cloud-init takes over, and does whatever. [00:19] juju working on using lxc for that. [00:19] yea, duplicating the setup/communication that vagrant has built into it [00:19] but that is quite reasonable as an objection. even with lxc, it is heavy. [00:19] why I was hoping for vagrant + kvm, but no go yet [00:20] chasing vagrant there, i'd think i should make an effort to get them to use our images [00:20] and to seed them with cloud-init [00:20] you create the puppet manifests directory and it auto mounts it and runs it for you when you start the VBox VM [00:20] (*they'd only have to seed that one key and nothing else, really) [00:20] nice thing is a reload command restarts the VM, and reruns the puppet stuff, but non-destructive [00:21] http://www.vagrantbox.es/ [00:21] cool to have supported Ubuntu images [00:21] you can define in your Vagrant config where ot get the image from to start with [00:21] yeah, and them using them gives credit to the images, and makes them not have to worry about building/.maintaining images. [00:21] and hten it caches it locally for all new vagrant boxes you create [00:21] yeah. [00:21] it is pretty neat, really. [00:22] but not juju cool [00:22] :) [00:22] yea, I'm too early, want half of one and half of the other [00:22] but at least learning puppet in between, so started hacking at that today [00:22] finally got hte kick to use it [00:22] yeah. they have stuff for setting up machines in EC2 for LP [00:22] stuff basically with the same effect as vagrant+puppet [00:25] snap-l: did you help with this? [00:25] what topics do you have? [00:42] oh good grief [00:42] ummmm, wow [00:43] * waldo323 jumps out of the nearest window [00:43] * rick_h choses another window to jump from...I want the feel of glass on my face as I plummet [00:44] * waldo323 shakes head [00:44] from bad to worse [00:46] this meeting is costing me $50 in babysitting...I PAID for this lol [00:51] uh-oh... sounds like MUG is not going well? [00:51] it's an interesting experiment [00:52] it is going better now [00:52] now that you've jumped out the window? [00:53] could be worse... you could be dist-upgrading from natty to oneiric... [00:53] ...on a spotty hotel wifi.... over a spotty linux wifi driver [00:53] the window didn't open and the topic changed [00:54] somehow our topics keep converging to chinese netbooks [00:54] oooh... Linux kernel 3.0? [00:54] I'm excited and frightened [00:55] but mainly I'd like to know why my FF javascript isn't working [01:00] god damn it [01:01] he is on their pay [01:01] or just bought a lot of their stock [01:11] dammit! STOP WORD! [01:11] agreed [01:12] I need some of those boost headphones right about now [01:13] s/boost/beats/ [01:14] lol [01:15] so lesson today...it all comes down to software...start hacking [01:17] co-worker asked how much i'd charge to put liunx on 2 of his machines [01:18] what did you say? [01:19] $50 [01:19] :) [01:21] oh, btw, these two computers have broadcom wireless, ati graphics, and realtek audio. [01:21] charge hourly :) [01:22] because they have pie [01:22] that makes or breaks a community [01:25] and now we'll know whats up [01:29] pie. :) [03:49] Evening [03:53] party [03:53] Dude, I am so sorry they goofed up your meal [03:54] bah, it happens [03:54] <_stink_> ruh roh [03:54] I got food, and got it for free [03:54] so coolio [03:55] Well, what was the icing on the cake was they added it to the tip for Will to pay. [03:55] so that had to get sorted. [03:55] they did what? [03:55] oh crap, sorry I bailed early. I didn't realize that [03:55] No worries [03:55] I just wanted to get home before the wife hit bed [03:55] it got sorted, so all good [03:56] Yeah, no worries [03:56] ok, well let me know what I need to do to square [03:56] Nothing. It's square. [03:57] heh, no more red lobster without Jim [03:57] doesn't go right [03:57] No, not at all [03:58] http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920020875.do#PowerReview <- wow [03:58] consensus is this book is crap [03:58] yea, I skipped that one today [03:59] saw something "50 pages" [03:59] I mean, that's barely the docs maybe [04:00] Wel, apparently the docs are more comprehensive than that book [04:01] yea, I got pro puppet and the puppet cookbook today [04:02] Is that Packt? [04:03] apress and packt === Blazeix_ is now known as Blazeix [12:32] G'morning [12:36] Is it just me, or is Google's bookmark sync a little flaky? [12:40] morning [12:40] I dunno. I haven't really paid attention to Google's (Chrome?) bookmark sync. [12:41] ...and if you're not talking about Chrome, I really have no idea [12:41] Yeah, I'm talking chrome [12:41] but so far as I can tell Chrome's works fine. I've just never run a fine tooth comb over it [12:43] interesting. The current woot-off deal is a dual-boot tablet. [12:44] I don't think I've ever seen anything sold as dual-boot before [12:44] i haven't seen a win7 tablet without a keyboard [12:44] Wolfger: dual-boot between what? [12:45] win 7 and android 2.2 [12:49] That's pretty interesting [12:58] we had a dual boot toshiba tablet at work [12:58] used it to run survey software in windows and experiment with some android view of things [13:26] Reminder: CHC is tonight! [13:26] 8pm at the Royal Oak Caribou on Woodward. [13:26] Be there, or live with regret. [13:38] Has anyone looked into this? http://republicwireless.com/ [13:44] No. Looks like a Metro PCS competitor. [13:44] Oh, even better, it's Wifi [13:50] I have a bit of a problem with these solutions [13:51] Unless you cary around your own wifi network, you're essentially "riding the rails" ahd hoping for charity. [13:51] it uses sprint when there's no wifi [13:51] So you're paying for a brick, then. ;) [13:54] The only problem it seems to solve well is the "i have shit signal at home" problem. [13:54] $19/mo [13:55] that solves about 60 problems for me [13:55] Is connectivity one of those problems? Because it seems to solve that nicely. ;) [13:56] you're really hating on sprint [13:56] my biggest concern is with maps and navigation [13:56] I'm hating on the piggybacking on wifi that isn't yours. [13:57] that's when i'm away from wifi and downloading critical stuff [13:57] If we had wimax, I'd say this would be perfect. [13:58] but non-wifi data is limited to 300MB/mo [13:58] but once you get out on the highway, I'm pretty sure Linksys isn't going to help you. [13:58] with wimax that's like 10 seconds of data [13:58] i suppose an offline map app would work [13:59] or dedicated gps [14:00] This is awesoe. Apparently Macomb's "Angel" system got bought by Blackboard [14:00] and Blackboard isn't willing / able to give Macomb what they wanted [14:00] so now they're looking for alternatives. [14:16] ok, ok. how about a verizon mifi for those times when sprint sucks? [14:17] that's like $30/mo [14:20] And you're right back to $49 a month. :) [14:20] but I will say, if it's just for data only, that's not a bad deal [14:21] i pay $175/mo for our 2 smart phones on verizon [14:21] Oh God. [14:21] so $20+$20+$30 saves a lot [14:21] how do you pay $49? [14:21] The one thing that bothers me is how well does it switch networks. [14:22] 19 + 30 = 49 a month for data / phone [14:22] And JoDee's phone is decidedly more than $49 [14:23] what provider has $19/mo? [14:23] The one you showed me? [14:23] republic wireless [14:24] oh, i thought you were saying you pay that now [14:24] I was adding up the cost of the $19 a month plan with the $30 a month mifi [14:24] Oh hell no [14:24] for us, the mifi would be very occasional use [14:25] basically just when visiting the boondocks [14:25] i think this could work [14:29] damn. verizon is $50/mo for 5GB now [14:32] Yeah, they're not cheap [14:33] att is the same price [14:34] i need a pay as you go mifi [14:52] time to make the donuts. [15:12] God, I forgot how bad Dream Theater's lyrics got on Black Clouds and Silver Linings. [15:13] http://lyrics.wikia.com/Dream_Theater:A_Nightmare_To_Remember [15:15] And now on to Porcuppine Tree: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO3GQvye2bQ [15:35] Black Sabbath reunion tour? 0_o [15:38] Wolfger: are you trying to turn me on? [15:38] black sabbath is my rush [15:39] according to BoingBoing they are going to announce it officially on 11/11/11 [15:41] I’m hiring! Certified ScrumMaster in Troy, MI with 8 years of experience. maustin@ciber.com [15:41] 8 years of Scrummastery? [15:42] man, they've been hinting at a BS reunion for months now [15:42] I'm glad they're finally consummating the foreplay [15:42] I just hope Sharon Osbourne doesn't cock-block the reunion [15:42] she seems like the loose-cannon in the Ozzy-camp [15:44] sharon ono? [15:44] Yes. [15:46] God, today is shaping up to be meeting day [15:46] 11am web conference call, 1pm conference call for the 4pm conference call [15:46] * snap-l searches for the Calgon to take him away. [15:53] And they have the most milquetoast saxophone music I think I've ever heard this side of Kenny G [15:53] and it's on repeat. [15:55] Black Sabbath does??? [15:55] oh, conf call hold music [15:55] Yeah [15:56] it was an interesting mental image for a couple seconds, though [15:56] whatever provides flotation for your proverbial boat [15:57] BS and Kenny G kickin' it mellow [15:57] Generals gather in the masses do de doodle de doo [15:58] Just like witches at black masses de doodle de doo de dooo [16:00] * Wolfger joins snap-l in conf call hold music hell [16:00] though this is guitar music here [16:01] Wonder if they're any good. ;) [16:04] Well, then they went to 30's era Jazz. [16:04] big band [16:33] They seriously have questions delivered via e-mail printed out [16:33] wtf? [16:40] http://www.jwz.org/photos/2011-11-05-computerhistory/120.html <- This is my background. P) [16:48] For being a library, archive.org has the worst metadata tagging of their files [16:57] Jesus, this is like buzzword bingo [17:03] not that this will help, as such, but you might be interested in http://publicdomainreview.org/ [17:03] wtf, now chrome won't start for me [17:04] rick_h: Check to see if Chrome is still running [17:04] I've had it wedge from time to time [17:04] no, I get some gtk error that the screen size isn't > 0 [17:04] On your external? [17:04] which of course google's up nothing [17:04] well trying to run it on my main [17:04] but have the external plugged in [17:04] but this just worked monday [17:04] so giant wtf [17:05] there we go, did an upgrade and it had an update. [17:05] still get the error,but it's launching [17:05] lol, but can't get it to launch on my main display [17:05] there we go, nvm all is well again [17:07] brousch: Grand Rapids is always so classy when it appears in the Detroit Newspapers... http://www.freep.com/article/20111109/NEWS06/111109012/Fleeing-suspect-found-Michigan-leaf-pile [17:31] Wolfger: oh come on, hastings is as much grand rapids as ypsi is detroit [17:35] The article mentions Grand Rapids twice before saying the event actually took place in Hastings... ;-) [17:35] and anybody within 100 miles of Detroit tends to claim they are "from Detroit" :-p [17:36] and yeah, I've been to Hastings. It's not Grand Rapids at all [17:39] anything meth related we call it kalamazoo [17:40] dayam http://hothardware.com/News/Nvidia-Asus-Unwrap-Transformer-Prime/ [17:43] yea, pretty [17:48] android dev is becoming more attractive to me as this sexy hardware comes out [17:48] heh [17:49] time to re-bite the java bullet? [17:49] have fun with that :P [17:49] web ftw! [17:49] I mean if you've got a killer android app that you only want android users to use and you need native api stuff then have at it [17:49] web isn't much good when you're offline or need access to native fun stuff like [17:49] web is fine for offline :P [17:53] if you dump all your crap offline when they were online i guess [17:53] they need to be online to install anyway [17:53] i've heard nothing but pain from people trying to do things with offline html5 though [17:53] it's gotten better [17:54] and if you do offline web is less painful than doing android + objective C + BB + desktop anyway [17:54] development pain, refreshing pain for people who were offline between releases [17:54] bah, screw iphone and BB [17:54] wtf is a desktop? [17:54] lol [17:54] BB really? [17:55] haven't you heard, $$ there [17:55] from companies locked into BB hell desperate for modern apps? [17:55] actually at grdevday they said BB is dead app-wise [17:56] average BB user has 6 apps installed [17:56] yea, but there was an article that some company made their app on BB and suddenly sales went $$ [17:56] because they're more willing to pay for things and higher prices [17:56] I'll have to find the link later [17:56] desperate for any little nugget you will offer them [17:57] "i will pay $25 for a facebook app instead of upgrading my phone!" [18:00] rick_h: Depends on the app [18:00] yea, sorry. Wasn't really serious [18:00] was just more an off the cuff reference to recent news [18:00] I'm not caring about BB any more than anyone else [18:01] until canonical wants you to write a BB launchpad app [18:01] hah [18:02] because you've hyped tits potential so much [18:02] its [18:02] like anyone will believe that's a typo. [18:02] Apps in BB can command higher prices because 1) there's no competition, and 2) even people in hell want ice water. [18:03] Blazeix: i know. now that i'm a misogynist all of my typos are suspect === jjesse__ is now known as jjesse [18:29] yep [18:36] Some days I wish I was a pyromaniac. [18:36] you aren't? [18:36] Not really [18:36] Though my warm and somewhat flammable exterior might give you that impression [18:36] haha [18:37] I loved that Def Leppard album... [18:37] Yeah, it was a pretty good album. [18:37] That and Hysteria were when Def Leppard were at the height of their powers. [18:37] now did they burn out, or fade away? [18:38] And the only member they lost in the interim was Rick Allen's arm. ;) [18:38] * snap-l smacks himself for poor taste [18:39] I chuckled... [20:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evSK1fwo2xI [20:15] turn it up loud [20:18] NO [20:22] turn it up! http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=10966090&q=hi&newref=1 [20:22] Oh sheesh [20:23] lol [21:15] I <3 this conference call [21:15] we're agreeing that we don't have a plan [21:15] <_stink_> move to table the resolution [21:16] lol