[00:04] <snap-l> Yeah, it wasn't good
[00:13] <rick_h> snap-l: http://vagrantup.com/docs/base_boxes.html
[00:13] <rick_h> I was checking that out today debating on something like a bookie box
[00:16] <snap-l> Ah, OK.
[00:17] <smoser> rick_h, i'd rather you waste time using feeding ubuntu images via cloud-init
[00:17] <snap-l> hahaha
[00:18] <rick_h> yea, I wanted to chat with you about alternatives for this
[00:18] <rick_h> because I'll want something like this for LP so I can run/dev on LTS but run my laptop at latest
[00:18] <smoser> LP is chasing juju for obvious reasons, i believe.
[00:18] <rick_h> but want something that's pretty quick/easy, offline
[00:18] <smoser> but juju sits atop cloud-init
[00:19] <rick_h> yea, I looked at it, but didn't want to setup a whole OpenStack setup on the laptop if I didn't have to
[00:19] <smoser> but my thoughts is just inserting stuff for cloud-init to run on a cdrom, then start the kvm. cloud-init takes over, and does whatever.
[00:19] <smoser> juju working on using lxc for that.
[00:19] <rick_h> yea, duplicating the setup/communication that vagrant has built into it
[00:19] <smoser> but that is quite reasonable as an objection. even with lxc, it is heavy.
[00:19] <rick_h> why I was hoping for vagrant + kvm, but no go yet
[00:20] <smoser> chasing vagrant there, i'd think i should make an effort to get them to use our images
[00:20] <smoser> and to seed them with cloud-init
[00:20] <rick_h> you create the puppet manifests directory and it auto mounts it and runs it for you when you start the VBox VM
[00:20] <smoser> (*they'd only have to seed that one key and nothing else, really)
[00:20] <rick_h> nice thing is a reload command restarts the VM, and reruns the puppet stuff, but non-destructive
[00:21] <rick_h> http://www.vagrantbox.es/
[00:21] <rick_h> cool to have supported Ubuntu images
[00:21] <rick_h> you can define in your Vagrant config where ot get the image from to start with
[00:21] <smoser> yeah, and them using them gives credit to the images, and makes them not have to worry about building/.maintaining images.
[00:21] <rick_h> and hten it caches it locally for all new vagrant boxes you create
[00:21] <smoser> yeah.
[00:21] <smoser> it is pretty neat, really.
[00:22] <smoser> but not juju cool
[00:22] <smoser> :)
[00:22] <rick_h> yea, I'm too early, want half of one and half of the other
[00:22] <rick_h> but at least learning puppet in between, so started hacking at that today
[00:22] <rick_h> finally got hte kick to use it
[00:22] <smoser> yeah. they have stuff for setting up machines in EC2 for LP
[00:22] <smoser> stuff basically with the same effect as vagrant+puppet
[00:25] <rick_h> snap-l: did you help with this?
[00:25] <rick_h> what topics do you have?
[00:42] <rick_h> oh good grief
[00:42] <rick_h> ummmm, wow
[00:43]  * waldo323 jumps out of the nearest window
[00:43]  * rick_h choses another window to jump from...I want the feel of glass on my face as I plummet
[00:44]  * waldo323 shakes head
[00:44] <waldo323> from bad to worse
[00:46] <rick_h> this meeting is costing me $50 in babysitting...I PAID for this lol
[00:51] <Wolfger> uh-oh... sounds like MUG is not going well?
[00:51] <rick_h> it's an interesting experiment
[00:52] <waldo323> it is going better now
[00:52] <Wolfger> now that you've jumped out the window?
[00:53] <Wolfger> could be worse... you could be dist-upgrading from natty to oneiric...
[00:53] <Wolfger> ...on a spotty hotel wifi.... over a spotty linux wifi driver
[00:53] <waldo323> the window didn't open and the topic changed
[00:54] <Blazeix> somehow our topics keep converging to chinese netbooks
[00:54] <Wolfger> oooh... Linux kernel 3.0?
[00:54] <Wolfger> I'm excited and frightened
[00:55] <Wolfger> but mainly I'd like to know why my FF javascript isn't working
[01:00] <Blazeix> god damn it
[01:01] <waldo323> he is on their pay
[01:01] <waldo323> or just bought a lot of their stock
[01:11] <rick_h> dammit! STOP WORD!
[01:11] <Blazeix> agreed
[01:12] <Blazeix> I need some of those boost headphones right about now
[01:13] <Blazeix> s/boost/beats/
[01:14] <rick_h> lol
[01:15] <rick_h> so lesson today...it all comes down to software...start hacking
[01:17] <waldo323> co-worker asked how much i'd charge to put liunx on 2 of his machines
[01:18] <Blazeix> what did you say?
[01:19] <waldo323> $50
[01:19] <waldo323> :)
[01:21] <Blazeix> oh, btw, these two computers have broadcom wireless, ati graphics, and realtek audio.
[01:21] <Blazeix> charge hourly :)
[01:22] <rick_h> because they have pie
[01:22] <rick_h> that makes or breaks a community
[01:25] <waldo323> and now we'll know whats up
[01:29] <snap-l> pie. :)
[03:49] <snap-l> Evening
[03:53] <rick_h> party
[03:53] <snap-l> Dude, I am so sorry they goofed up your meal
[03:54] <rick_h> bah, it happens
[03:54] <_stink_> ruh roh
[03:54] <rick_h> I got food, and got it for free
[03:54] <rick_h> so coolio
[03:55] <snap-l> Well, what was the icing on the cake was they added it to the tip for Will to pay.
[03:55] <snap-l> so that had to get sorted.
[03:55] <rick_h> they did what?
[03:55] <rick_h> oh crap, sorry I bailed early. I didn't realize that
[03:55] <snap-l> No worries
[03:55] <rick_h> I just wanted to get home before the wife hit bed
[03:55] <snap-l> it got sorted, so all good
[03:56] <snap-l> Yeah, no worries
[03:56] <rick_h> ok, well let me know what I need to do to square
[03:56] <snap-l> Nothing. It's square.
[03:57] <rick_h> heh, no more red lobster without Jim
[03:57] <rick_h> doesn't go right
[03:57] <snap-l> No, not at all
[03:58] <snap-l> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920020875.do#PowerReview <- wow
[03:58] <snap-l> consensus is this book is crap
[03:58] <rick_h> yea, I skipped that one today
[03:59] <rick_h> saw something "50 pages"
[03:59] <rick_h> I mean, that's barely the docs maybe
[04:00] <snap-l> Wel, apparently the docs are more comprehensive than that book
[04:01] <rick_h> yea, I got pro puppet and the puppet cookbook today
[04:02] <snap-l> Is that Packt?
[04:03] <rick_h> apress and packt
[12:32] <snap-l> G'morning
[12:36] <snap-l> Is it just me, or is Google's bookmark sync a little flaky?
[12:40] <Wolfger> morning
[12:40] <Wolfger> I dunno. I haven't really paid attention to Google's (Chrome?) bookmark sync.
[12:41] <Wolfger> ...and if you're not talking about Chrome, I really have no idea
[12:41] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm talking chrome
[12:41] <Wolfger> but so far as I can tell Chrome's works fine. I've just never run a fine tooth comb over it
[12:43] <Wolfger> interesting. The current woot-off deal is a dual-boot tablet.
[12:44] <Wolfger> I don't think I've ever seen anything sold as dual-boot before
[12:44] <brousch> i haven't seen a win7 tablet without a keyboard
[12:44] <snap-l> Wolfger: dual-boot between what?
[12:45] <Wolfger> win 7 and android 2.2
[12:49] <snap-l> That's pretty interesting
[12:58] <rick_h> we had a dual boot toshiba tablet at work
[12:58] <rick_h> used it to run survey software in windows and experiment with some android view of things
[13:26] <snap-l> Reminder: CHC is tonight!
[13:26] <snap-l> 8pm at the Royal Oak Caribou on Woodward.
[13:26] <snap-l> Be there, or live with regret.
[13:38] <brousch> Has anyone looked into this? http://republicwireless.com/
[13:44] <snap-l> No. Looks like a Metro PCS competitor.
[13:44] <snap-l> Oh, even better, it's Wifi
[13:50] <snap-l> I have a bit of a problem with these solutions
[13:51] <snap-l> Unless you cary around your own wifi network, you're essentially "riding the rails" ahd hoping for charity.
[13:51] <brousch> it uses sprint when there's no wifi
[13:51] <snap-l> So you're paying for a brick, then. ;)
[13:54] <snap-l> The only problem it seems to solve well is the "i have shit signal at home" problem.
[13:54] <brousch> $19/mo
[13:55] <brousch> that solves about 60 problems for me
[13:55] <snap-l> Is connectivity one of those problems? Because it seems to solve that nicely. ;)
[13:56] <brousch> you're really hating on sprint
[13:56] <brousch> my biggest concern is with maps and navigation
[13:56] <snap-l> I'm hating on the piggybacking on wifi that isn't yours.
[13:57] <brousch> that's when i'm away from wifi and downloading critical stuff
[13:57] <snap-l> If we had wimax, I'd say this would be perfect.
[13:58] <brousch> but non-wifi data is limited to 300MB/mo
[13:58] <snap-l> but once you get out on the highway, I'm pretty sure Linksys isn't going to help you.
[13:58] <brousch> with wimax that's like 10 seconds of data
[13:58] <brousch> i suppose an offline map app would work
[13:59] <brousch> or dedicated gps
[14:00] <snap-l> This is awesoe. Apparently Macomb's "Angel" system got bought by Blackboard
[14:00] <snap-l> and Blackboard isn't willing / able to give Macomb what they wanted
[14:00] <snap-l> so now they're looking for alternatives.
[14:16] <brousch> ok, ok. how about a verizon mifi for those times when sprint sucks?
[14:17] <brousch> that's like $30/mo
[14:20] <snap-l> And you're right back to $49 a month. :)
[14:20] <snap-l> but I will say, if it's just for data only, that's not a bad deal
[14:21] <brousch> i pay $175/mo for our 2 smart phones on verizon
[14:21] <snap-l> Oh God.
[14:21] <brousch> so $20+$20+$30 saves a lot
[14:21] <brousch> how do you pay $49?
[14:21] <snap-l> The one thing that bothers me is how well does it switch networks.
[14:22] <snap-l> 19 + 30 = 49 a month for data / phone
[14:22] <snap-l> And JoDee's phone is decidedly more than $49
[14:23] <brousch> what provider has $19/mo?
[14:23] <snap-l> The one you showed me?
[14:23] <snap-l> republic wireless
[14:24] <brousch> oh, i thought you were saying you pay that now
[14:24] <snap-l> I was adding up the cost of the $19 a month plan with the $30 a month mifi
[14:24] <snap-l> Oh hell no
[14:24] <brousch> for us, the mifi would be very occasional use
[14:25] <brousch> basically just when visiting the boondocks
[14:25] <brousch> i think this could work
[14:29] <brousch> damn. verizon is $50/mo for 5GB now
[14:32] <snap-l> Yeah, they're not cheap
[14:33] <brousch> att is the same price
[14:34] <brousch> i need a pay as you go mifi
[14:52] <snap-l> time to make the donuts.
[15:12] <snap-l> God, I forgot how bad Dream Theater's lyrics got on Black Clouds and Silver Linings.
[15:13] <snap-l> http://lyrics.wikia.com/Dream_Theater:A_Nightmare_To_Remember
[15:15] <snap-l> And now on to Porcuppine Tree: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO3GQvye2bQ
[15:35] <Wolfger> Black Sabbath reunion tour? 0_o
[15:38] <brousch> Wolfger: are you trying to turn me on?
[15:38] <brousch> black sabbath is my rush
[15:39] <Wolfger> according to BoingBoing they are going to announce it officially on 11/11/11
[15:41] <snap-l> I’m hiring! Certified ScrumMaster in Troy, MI with 8 years of experience. maustin@ciber.com
[15:41] <snap-l> 8 years of Scrummastery?
[15:42] <snap-l> man, they've been hinting at a BS reunion for months now
[15:42] <snap-l> I'm glad they're finally consummating the foreplay
[15:42] <snap-l> I just hope Sharon Osbourne doesn't cock-block the reunion
[15:42] <snap-l> she seems like the loose-cannon in the Ozzy-camp
[15:44] <brousch> sharon ono?
[15:44] <snap-l> Yes.
[15:46] <snap-l> God, today is shaping up to be meeting day
[15:46] <snap-l> 11am web conference call, 1pm conference call for the 4pm conference call
[15:46]  * snap-l searches for the Calgon to take him away.
[15:53] <snap-l> And they have the most milquetoast saxophone music I think I've ever heard this side of Kenny G
[15:53] <snap-l> and it's on repeat.
[15:55] <Wolfger> Black Sabbath does???
[15:55] <Wolfger> oh, conf call hold music
[15:55] <snap-l> Yeah
[15:56] <Wolfger> it was an interesting mental image for a couple seconds, though
[15:56] <snap-l> whatever provides flotation for your proverbial boat
[15:57] <Wolfger> BS and Kenny G kickin' it mellow
[15:57] <snap-l> Generals gather in the masses do de doodle de doo
[15:58] <snap-l> Just like witches at black masses de doodle de doo de dooo
[16:00]  * Wolfger joins snap-l in conf call hold music hell
[16:00] <Wolfger> though this is guitar music here
[16:01] <snap-l> Wonder if they're any good. ;)
[16:04] <snap-l> Well, then they went to 30's era Jazz.
[16:04] <snap-l> big band
[16:33] <snap-l> They seriously have questions delivered via e-mail printed out
[16:33] <Wolfger> wtf?
[16:40] <snap-l> http://www.jwz.org/photos/2011-11-05-computerhistory/120.html <- This is my background. P)
[16:48] <snap-l> For being a library, archive.org has the worst metadata tagging of their files
[16:57] <snap-l> Jesus, this is like buzzword bingo
[17:03] <dzho> not that this will help, as such, but you might be interested in http://publicdomainreview.org/
[17:03] <rick_h> wtf, now chrome won't start for me
[17:04] <snap-l> rick_h: Check to see if Chrome is still running
[17:04] <snap-l> I've had it wedge from time to time
[17:04] <rick_h> no, I get some gtk error that the screen size isn't > 0
[17:04] <snap-l> On your external?
[17:04] <rick_h> which of course google's up nothing
[17:04] <rick_h> well trying to run it on my main
[17:04] <rick_h> but have the external plugged in
[17:04] <rick_h> but this just worked monday
[17:04] <rick_h> so giant wtf
[17:05] <rick_h> there we go, did an upgrade and it had an update.
[17:05] <rick_h> still get the error,but it's launching
[17:05] <rick_h> lol, but can't get it to launch on my main display
[17:05] <rick_h> there we go, nvm all is well again
[17:07] <Wolfger> brousch: Grand Rapids is always so classy when it appears in the Detroit Newspapers... http://www.freep.com/article/20111109/NEWS06/111109012/Fleeing-suspect-found-Michigan-leaf-pile
[17:31] <brousch> Wolfger: oh come on, hastings is as much grand rapids as ypsi is detroit
[17:35] <Wolfger> The article mentions Grand Rapids twice before saying the event actually took place in Hastings... ;-)
[17:35] <Wolfger> and anybody within 100 miles of Detroit tends to claim they are "from Detroit" :-p
[17:36] <Wolfger> and yeah, I've been to Hastings. It's not Grand Rapids at all
[17:39] <brousch> anything meth related we call it kalamazoo
[17:40] <brousch> dayam http://hothardware.com/News/Nvidia-Asus-Unwrap-Transformer-Prime/
[17:43] <rick_h> yea, pretty
[17:48] <brousch> android dev is becoming more attractive to me as this sexy hardware comes out
[17:48] <rick_h> heh
[17:49] <brousch> time to re-bite the java bullet?
[17:49] <rick_h> have fun with that :P
[17:49] <rick_h> web ftw!
[17:49] <rick_h> I mean if you've got a killer android app that you only want android users to use and you need native api stuff then have at it
[17:49] <brousch> web isn't much good when you're offline or need access to native fun stuff like
[17:49] <rick_h> web is fine for offline :P
[17:53] <brousch> if you dump all your crap offline when they were online i guess
[17:53] <rick_h> they need to be online to install anyway
[17:53] <brousch> i've heard nothing but pain from people trying to do things with offline html5 though
[17:53] <rick_h> it's gotten better
[17:54] <rick_h> and if you do offline web is less painful than doing android + objective C + BB + desktop anyway
[17:54] <brousch> development pain, refreshing pain for people who were offline between releases
[17:54] <brousch> bah, screw iphone and BB
[17:54] <brousch> wtf is a desktop?
[17:54] <rick_h> lol
[17:54] <brousch> BB really?
[17:55] <rick_h> haven't you heard, $$ there
[17:55] <brousch> from companies locked into BB hell desperate for modern apps?
[17:55] <brousch> actually at grdevday they said BB is dead app-wise
[17:56] <brousch> average BB user has 6 apps installed
[17:56] <rick_h> yea, but there was an article that some company made their app on BB and suddenly sales went $$
[17:56] <rick_h> because they're more willing to pay for things and higher prices
[17:56] <rick_h> I'll have to find the link later
[17:56] <brousch> desperate for any little nugget you will offer them
[17:57] <brousch> "i will pay $25 for a facebook app instead of upgrading my phone!"
[18:00] <snap-l> rick_h: Depends on the app
[18:00] <rick_h> yea, sorry. Wasn't really serious
[18:00] <rick_h> was just more an off the cuff reference to recent news
[18:00] <rick_h> I'm not caring about BB any more than anyone else
[18:01] <brousch> until canonical wants you to write a BB launchpad app
[18:01] <snap-l> hah
[18:02] <brousch> because you've hyped tits potential so much
[18:02] <brousch> its
[18:02] <Blazeix> like anyone will believe that's a typo.
[18:02] <snap-l> Apps in BB can command higher prices because 1) there's no competition, and 2) even people in hell want ice water.
[18:03] <brousch> Blazeix: i know. now that i'm a misogynist all of my typos are suspect
[18:29] <Wolfger> yep
[18:36] <snap-l> Some days I wish I was a pyromaniac.
[18:36] <greg-g> you aren't?
[18:36] <snap-l> Not really
[18:36] <snap-l> Though my warm and somewhat flammable exterior might give you that impression
[18:36] <greg-g> haha
[18:37] <Wolfger> I loved that Def Leppard album...
[18:37] <snap-l> Yeah, it was a pretty good album.
[18:37] <snap-l> That and Hysteria were when Def Leppard were at the height of their powers.
[18:37] <Wolfger> now did they burn out, or fade away?
[18:38] <snap-l> And the only member they lost in the interim was Rick Allen's arm. ;)
[18:38]  * snap-l smacks himself for poor taste
[18:39] <Wolfger> I chuckled...
[20:15] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evSK1fwo2xI
[20:15] <snap-l> turn it up loud
[20:18] <ColonelPanic001> NO
[20:22] <rick_h> turn it up! http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=10966090&q=hi&newref=1
[20:22] <snap-l> Oh sheesh
[20:23] <rick_h> lol
[21:15] <snap-l> I <3 this conference call
[21:15] <snap-l> we're agreeing that we don't have a plan
[21:15] <_stink_> move to table the resolution
[21:16] <rick_h> lol