[00:29] <InHisName> Borat is a big tweeter or sumthin' ?
[01:40] <GeekyAdam> hi all
[01:41] <GeekyAdam> been a little while since ive been back, server was a little fritzy and i was a little lazy :/
[01:41] <MutantTurkey> hey
[01:44] <GeekyAdam> so i installed 10.04 on an older laptop. i decided to upgrade to 11.10. 4 hours later, its running slower than it did with 10.04.
[01:47] <MutantTurkey> aye.
[01:51] <GeekyAdam> havent tried gnome3 yet, someone give me a subjective gnome2 vs gnome3 vs unity as far as speed goes on a lower end CPU
[01:52] <GeekyAdam> im assuming its gnome2 > gnome3 > unity?
[01:53] <MutantTurkey> try tde
[01:53] <MutantTurkey> I hear its nifty
[01:53]  * MutantTurkey selflessly selling my soul
[02:14] <rmg51> gnome3 might not work on an older computer
[02:14] <rmg51> there is gnome classic
[02:14] <MutantTurkey> gnome2 or kde3 is what I say. or xfce
[02:15] <MutantTurkey> xfce ~ gnome2
[02:15] <rmg51> classic sucks though
[02:15] <MutantTurkey> gnome classic?
[02:15] <rmg51> I went with xfce
[02:17] <rmg51> looks like gnome2 but without the ability to customize it
[02:18] <rmg51> no right click on the panels
[02:19] <rmg51> gnome3 doesn't run very well on my two older laptops
[02:20] <MutantTurkey> xfce should actually run faster than gnome2
[02:21] <rmg51> basically unusable
[10:14] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:14] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[10:15] <JonathanD> Hey rmg51
[10:16] <JonathanD> My games are still downloading :/
[12:25] <waltman> games?
[12:25] <JonathanD> games.
[12:25] <JonathanD> waltman: I'm building my gaming machine.
[12:26] <JonathanD> Or my holdover until I have a real gaming machine gaming machine.
[12:32] <waltman> But why are you downloading them?
[12:35] <InHisName> morning
[12:47] <JonathanD> waltman: so I can play them.
[12:47] <JonathanD> The machine is (mostly) functional.
[12:48] <JonathanD> They're on steam.
[12:57] <InHisName> izzat a steam punk machine ?
[12:58] <JonathanD> yes.
[13:10] <teddy-dbear> morning
[13:30] <ChinnoDog> meh, morning
[19:14] <GeekyAdam> just did my first remote-server ssh tunnel so i could scp from an internal computer on a remote network
[19:14] <GeekyAdam> cool stuff
[19:15] <EvilResistance> *yawn*
[19:15] <EvilResistance> what day is this?
[19:15] <EvilResistance> :P
[19:15]  * EvilResistance has been playing Call fo Duty MW3 for the longest time :p
[19:15] <GeekyAdam> hey now. we all enjoy our first times...
[19:15] <GeekyAdam> BF3 > MW3
[19:15] <GeekyAdam> yeah, i said it
[19:16] <EvilResistance> GeekyAdam:  i cant run BF3
[19:16] <EvilResistance> fscking hardware
[19:17] <EvilResistance> but MW3 can run well strangely enough
[19:17] <GeekyAdam> yeah i dont have it yet either
[19:17] <GeekyAdam> still playing WoW on an Athlon FX 64 >.<
[19:17]  * EvilResistance owns MW3 because he preordered it a while ago xD
[19:18] <EvilResistance> i preordered it on Steam (for the PC) to get the extra copy of COD4
[19:18] <EvilResistance> :P
[19:18] <GeekyAdam> old mobo cant handle decent multi-core CPUs so need to upgrade mobo, mem, cpu, and prob vid card. basically whole new pc.
[19:18]  * EvilResistance lost his COD4 CD, so...
[19:18] <GeekyAdam> nice
[19:18] <EvilResistance> yeah i'm going to need to overhaul my desktop
[19:18] <EvilResistance> replace basically everything...
[19:18] <EvilResistance> mobo,  memory, CPU, Video Card...
[19:19] <GeekyAdam> giving current triple monitor setup to gf when we move to new apt so she can photoshop and autodesk with it
[19:19] <EvilResistance> i'm going to see if i cant overhaul the thing and put in dual video cards
[19:19] <EvilResistance> and a liquid cooling system
[19:19] <EvilResistance> cool
[19:19] <GeekyAdam> liquid cooling is sexy but scary to me
[19:19] <EvilResistance> yeah it has disadvantages
[19:19] <EvilResistance> but if you know what you're doing it can be epic
[19:19] <GeekyAdam> also, i should note, giving of the pc to the gf also means she wont use my gaming machine
[19:20] <EvilResistance> fwiw, its more effective than standard air cooling
[19:20] <EvilResistance> lol
[19:20] <EvilResistance> GeekyAdam:  indeed
[19:20] <EvilResistance> GeekyAdam:  i have 2 desktops, a laptop, a fscking heavy server...
[19:20] <GeekyAdam> me: "i need to WoW" gf: "im writing a paper for class, use your laptop"
[19:20] <EvilResistance> one desktop is my "Almighty game system" (or will be)
[19:20] <EvilResistance> (its the custom build)
[19:20] <EvilResistance> the other desktop is the crappy "I dont give a damn about you" system :P
[19:20] <EvilResistance> the server...
[19:20] <EvilResistance> well, its a fscking server :P
[19:21] <GeekyAdam> ha
[19:21]  * EvilResistance has it inside a room with its own  dedicated cooling system and triple locked entry
[19:21] <EvilResistance> as well as its own dedicated wire hookup :P
[19:21] <EvilResistance> fwiw..
[19:22] <EvilResistance> i could theoretically set up a mini internet hub
[19:22] <EvilResistance> :P
[19:22] <EvilResistance> dump an apt mirror on there... a keyserver...
[19:22] <EvilResistance> 5000 ZNCs...
[19:22] <EvilResistance> an ircd...
[19:22] <EvilResistance> everything would still function xD
[19:22] <GeekyAdam> i have 1 desktop (gaming PC, trip monitors), 1 main laptop (decent thinkpad T61, core2duo, used for DJing with VirtualDJ and decent WoWing), couple older laptops laying around for easy stuff (www, ssh, etc), server (older Dell box, ubuntu 10.04 server)
[19:22] <EvilResistance> yeah this laptop i'm on is my development system
[19:23] <EvilResistance> partly due to the multiple VMs i have of idfferent OSes
[19:23] <EvilResistance> so i can dev. in .NET stuff, PHP, Debian packaging, RHEL shit, etc.
[19:23] <EvilResistance> its primary OS is Ubuntu Natty + KDE
[19:24] <GeekyAdam> ive been toying with the idea of [once the new gaming pc is built] making the desktop ubuntu with a Win7 VM as one desktop. WoW runs decently in Wine...
[19:24] <GeekyAdam> natty with KDE? yeesh :p
[19:25] <EvilResistance> i got fed up with Unity :P
[19:25] <GeekyAdam> 10.04 + gnome2 is my fav
[19:25] <GeekyAdam> although the new Fedora screenshots have me curious...
[19:25] <EvilResistance> i got tired of the outdatedness of lucid :PP
[19:26]  * EvilResistance also successfully got something backported from Precise all the way back to Natty
[19:26] <EvilResistance> :P
[19:26] <GeekyAdam> yeah ive noticed that lately honestly, ive been adding more and more ppas just to update software correctly
[19:26] <GeekyAdam> for instance firefox
[19:26] <GeekyAdam> i was still on 2.3, had to add the ppa just to get up to 7
[19:27] <GeekyAdam> and now 8s out...
[19:27] <GeekyAdam> is it just me or is Mozilla firing off new Firefox updates relentlessy lately?
[23:30] <InHisName> Hey one machine the /var/log/messages is 0 bytes.   Seems to be offline.  How to get syslog back reporting errors ?
[23:44] <InHisName> errors are not in /var/log/messages but in /var/log/syslog instead.    I have one machine each way.  Why ?
[23:46] <InHisName> No both have a syslog,   but one also has messages.  How to turn on messages on 2nd machine ?