[01:54] <Supper_slash> good evening
[01:55] <Supper_slash> still no word on graphics work yet. Ho Hum.
[02:28] <Riddell> bonsoir
[11:36] <Tm_T> anyone on updating libmsn package?
[11:39] <debfx> Tm_T: an update is being prepared in Debian
[11:41] <Tm_T> looks like it yes, thanks (:
[11:54] <molnarp> hi all, don't know if you have heard about the recent change of the MSN messenger protocol, which affects Kopete
[11:54] <molnarp> according to #kopete, a patch is on its way: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=CAKcBokvo7zN9v8a3jPdr7iSoh%3D8nXLO%2BFWE2ptkSPS1GGvbvNw%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=libmsn-discuss
[11:57] <molnarp> is there anything i could help to get this fix released soon?
[13:39] <Riddell> bonjour
[13:49] <jussi> hrm... so I had an idea.., dunno if its implemented already or no, but anyway, here goes. I would like a "container" plasmoid, where I can put shorcuts to programs. so its like a mini menu, I click it and it brings upa little "menu" of say 4 apps that I dropped in there. 
[13:52] <jussi> kinda like I have here on my android device: http://jussi01.com/upload/uploads/20111110-135210-screenshot_2011-11-10_1549.png
[13:55] <agateau> Riddell: salut !
[13:55] <agateau> Riddell: I am working on a package for massif-visualizer right now,
[13:55] <agateau> Riddell: it embeds its own copy of kdchart, as a few other apps do
[13:55] <agateau> Riddell: anyone tried to package kdchart as a standalone library?
[13:58] <Riddell> I can't remember but I think we had issues with different packages needing different kdchart versions
[13:58] <agateau> oh ok, was it a long time ago?
[13:59] <Riddell> yes
[13:59] <Riddell> do you remember what else uses it?  koffice wasn't it?
[13:59] <agateau> I had a quick mail discussion with dfaure who told me they maintain binary compatibility now
[13:59] <agateau> I found kmymoney2 does
[13:59] <agateau> koffice as well iirc
[13:59] <agateau> probably calligra inherited it
[14:02] <Riddell> we could package it separately but then you would probably have to fiddle with the build systems in the other applications
[14:03] <agateau> indeed, but I guess until there are packages app won't use it, so it's a chicken-and-egg problem
[14:04] <Riddell> nice of you to volunteer to solve it :)
[14:04] <agateau> what worries me is if applications modified the lib
[14:04] <Riddell> is there a definitive upstream release to package?
[14:05] <agateau> dfaure gave me this: ftp://customers.kdab.com/pub/kdchart
[14:05] <Riddell> oh that's nice, I think the problem historically is that upstream never made releases
[14:06] <Riddell> so it's probably worth contacting calligra and kmymoney and saying they should stop using their own copies and just have it as a normal dependency
[14:06] <agateau> You can't find the url on the website, there they ask you to register to get access to it
[14:06] <agateau> indeed
[14:08] <agateau> will send a mail to them
[14:08] <agateau> mmm... it's using qmake :/
[14:09] <agateau> i guess that means writing a FindKDChart.cmake file
[14:11] <debfx> or a pkg-config file which is compatible with most build systems
[14:19] <afiestas> libmsn should be updated to fix kopete WLM 
[14:19] <yofel> debian was working on that
[14:19] <afiestas> right now the login is failing because M$ modified something, it is patched in latest libmsn, so it hsould be updated
[14:19] <afiestas> okiz
[14:28] <Quintasan> rbelem: incredibly late pong
[14:30] <Quintasan> agateau: Urgh, qmake? I hope it's not insanely broken like qtscriptgeneratot
[14:31] <Riddell> yes pgquiles is looking at the libmsn update for debian, I said I'd look at it in a bit for us but feel free to take that todo item from me
[14:35] <_Groo_> Riddell: hey
[14:35] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[14:35] <_Groo_> Riddell: amarok is ready in peppa ppa
[14:36] <_Groo_> Riddell: i asked in amarok.dev for them to give it a test drive, if everything is ok ill ask to move the final one to kubuntu-ppa as soon as they tag it in git
[14:37] <Riddell> they seem a bit slow with this tagging
[14:48] <_Groo_> Riddell: a tar will do fine
[14:48] <_Groo_> Riddell: whatever comes first
[14:48] <_Groo_> Riddell: just saying its ready
[14:49] <_Groo_> Riddell: this weekend im gonna update and cleanup the calligra debs also 
[15:16]  * debfx prepares kde-workspace 4.7.3
[15:26] <debfx> kubuntu-ppa has an old tarball of kde-workspace 4.7.3
[15:26] <rando_uu> hi experts I've been building packages for a plasma widget that consits of many  modules like a library, a plasma-dataengine, a krunner plugin and some widgets, for now I've been building each module as a separate package
[15:26] <debfx> also we shouldn't use the precise packaging for oneiric
[15:27] <rando_uu> now the author provided a global CMakesLists which'll build everything at once, can I use that to automatically built all the different packages, and what kind of package will that be, multiple binary?
[15:28] <yofel> debfx: for oneiric use what's in the PPA
[15:28] <yofel> and workspace is fine, the fix is there as patch
[15:31] <debfx> still it's not 4.7.3, there are a bunch of other commits that aren't in the first tarball
[15:32] <yofel> ok
[15:33] <debfx> kde-workspace from the ppa has changes from the bzr branch which is wrong because they were intended for precise
[15:42] <yofel> true, I missed the patch renaming -.-
[15:42] <Riddell> debfx: so version is as 4.7.3a
[15:43] <Riddell> hmm, poor rando_uu, needs more patience
[15:48] <debfx> yes
[15:49] <shadeslayer> \o
[15:49] <debfx> why do we even upload 4.7.3 to precise when we are not pushing it to oneiric-proposed?
[15:50] <shadeslayer> Adding to that, are we going to upload 4.8 to precise or stick with 4.7.3 ?
[15:51] <shadeslayer> ( it is a LTS after all .... )
[15:51] <shadeslayer> Oh and since we get more space on the ISO ... browser wars anyone? :P
[15:52] <Riddell> we'll have 4.8 in precise, it's quite a good time for an LTS for us really since kdelibs is frozen
[15:52] <Riddell> or mostly frozen anyway
[15:53] <shadeslayer> Yeah, but I'm still not sure as to whether or not it will be a good idea to ship 4.8 
[15:53] <shadeslayer> imho 4.7.x is more suited for a LTS
[15:54] <Riddell> and miss out on all the bug fixes in 4.8?
[15:54] <shadeslayer> I'm pretty sure all bug fixes to 4.8 will land in 4.7.3
[15:54] <shadeslayer> or 4.7.4 ...
[15:55] <shadeslayer> It's just that 4.8 will probably contain alot of new features that will might have bugs ....
[15:55] <shadeslayer> And even though we have alot of time till the release, we might not be able to squish all of them
[15:56] <shadeslayer> * ... of new features that might have bugs ...
[15:57] <Riddell> there will be many bug fixes in 4.8 that don't go into 4.7.x, upstream is our main source of bug fixes
[15:58] <shadeslayer> But why won't they backport these bug fixes?
[16:01] <Riddell> because the fixes might be too big to backport, they might depend on new parts in 4.8, or they might not bother since 4.7 is old news
[16:01] <Riddell> and for e.g. kdepim we want the latest possible
[16:02] <shadeslayer> with KDE PIM I agree, but with the other parts of KDE ... not so much
[16:06] <Riddell> that the gnomers don't plan to update gnome surprises me, we've had this discussion at past LTSs and the conclusion was always to use the latest stable upstream
[16:09] <shadeslayer> Hmm ... like I said, I still have my doubts, but since you guys have been doing this for a longer time, you know better ;)
[16:12] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: what ROM are you running on yer transformer?
[16:15] <shadeslayer> uh oh
[16:15] <shadeslayer> I'll need a DVD to install oneiric afresh from now on -.-
[16:16] <davmor2> Riddell: how's your new place and did it exist?
[16:17] <Riddell> davmor2: it does exist and so does my flatmate, it's a tropical paradise
[16:17] <davmor2> Riddell: haha!
[16:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: where are you these days?
[16:18] <shadeslayer> geographically :)
[16:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: a bit of France in the carribean
[16:19] <davmor2> Riddell: ps Sue says it should be doable :)
[16:19] <shadeslayer> whoa
[16:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you relocated?
[16:20] <shadeslayer> or just a vacation?
[16:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: a relocation for a couple of months
[16:21] <shadeslayer> ah :)
[16:21] <Riddell> davmor2: ooh lovely :)
[16:41] <Riddell> fregl: how does this look for working around qt-at-spi breakage? http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kde4libs_4.7.2-0ubuntu3.debdiff
[16:42] <Riddell> yofel, debfx: can I upload this to oneiric-proposed or should it go into 4.7.3?
[17:53] <debfx> Riddell: yep, uploading it to o-proposed is fine
[17:58] <bambee> hi
[17:59] <bambee> Riddell: so, do you like "la guadeloupe" ? 
[19:03] <schnelle> can you guys backport patch for this bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=285803
[19:03] <schnelle> all msn clients stoped working
[19:05] <schnelle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/887104
[19:17] <yofel> debfx: I very much want 4.7.3 in oneiric-proposed, but for that it needs to be in precise
[19:24] <debfx> yofel: ok, didn't know that
[19:25] <fregl> Riddell: did you see what agateau and I came up with? I think that is the better solution (?)
[19:25] <fregl> Riddell: basically using the gsetting value for screen reader active instead of accessibility active
[21:26] <Riddell> fregl: no I didn't see that, where can I find it?
[21:30] <rbelem> Quintasan, ping again :-D
[22:45] <Quintasan> rbelem: pong
[22:59] <Quintasan> rbelem: Tell me what you want and I'll see what I can do about it