[01:54] good evening [01:55] still no word on graphics work yet. Ho Hum. [02:28] bonsoir === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse === Stecchino_ is now known as Stecchino === jefferai is now known as jefferai-away [11:36] anyone on updating libmsn package? [11:39] Tm_T: an update is being prepared in Debian [11:41] looks like it yes, thanks (: [11:54] hi all, don't know if you have heard about the recent change of the MSN messenger protocol, which affects Kopete [11:54] according to #kopete, a patch is on its way: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=CAKcBokvo7zN9v8a3jPdr7iSoh%3D8nXLO%2BFWE2ptkSPS1GGvbvNw%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=libmsn-discuss [11:57] is there anything i could help to get this fix released soon? === mck182 is now known as mck182|lunch === skfin_ is now known as skfin === skfin is now known as Guest94306 === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:39] bonjour === mck182|lunch is now known as mck182 [13:49] hrm... so I had an idea.., dunno if its implemented already or no, but anyway, here goes. I would like a "container" plasmoid, where I can put shorcuts to programs. so its like a mini menu, I click it and it brings upa little "menu" of say 4 apps that I dropped in there. [13:52] kinda like I have here on my android device: http://jussi01.com/upload/uploads/20111110-135210-screenshot_2011-11-10_1549.png [13:55] Riddell: salut ! [13:55] Riddell: I am working on a package for massif-visualizer right now, [13:55] Riddell: it embeds its own copy of kdchart, as a few other apps do [13:55] Riddell: anyone tried to package kdchart as a standalone library? [13:58] I can't remember but I think we had issues with different packages needing different kdchart versions [13:58] oh ok, was it a long time ago? [13:59] yes [13:59] do you remember what else uses it? koffice wasn't it? [13:59] I had a quick mail discussion with dfaure who told me they maintain binary compatibility now [13:59] I found kmymoney2 does [13:59] koffice as well iirc [13:59] probably calligra inherited it [14:02] we could package it separately but then you would probably have to fiddle with the build systems in the other applications [14:03] indeed, but I guess until there are packages app won't use it, so it's a chicken-and-egg problem [14:04] nice of you to volunteer to solve it :) [14:04] what worries me is if applications modified the lib [14:04] is there a definitive upstream release to package? [14:05] dfaure gave me this: ftp://customers.kdab.com/pub/kdchart [14:05] oh that's nice, I think the problem historically is that upstream never made releases [14:06] so it's probably worth contacting calligra and kmymoney and saying they should stop using their own copies and just have it as a normal dependency [14:06] You can't find the url on the website, there they ask you to register to get access to it [14:06] indeed === skfin_ is now known as skfin [14:08] will send a mail to them [14:08] mmm... it's using qmake :/ [14:09] i guess that means writing a FindKDChart.cmake file [14:11] or a pkg-config file which is compatible with most build systems [14:19] libmsn should be updated to fix kopete WLM [14:19] debian was working on that [14:19] right now the login is failing because M$ modified something, it is patched in latest libmsn, so it hsould be updated [14:19] okiz [14:28] rbelem: incredibly late pong [14:30] agateau: Urgh, qmake? I hope it's not insanely broken like qtscriptgeneratot [14:31] yes pgquiles is looking at the libmsn update for debian, I said I'd look at it in a bit for us but feel free to take that todo item from me [14:35] <_Groo_> Riddell: hey [14:35] <_Groo_> hi/2 all === jjesse__ is now known as jjesse [14:35] <_Groo_> Riddell: amarok is ready in peppa ppa [14:36] <_Groo_> Riddell: i asked in amarok.dev for them to give it a test drive, if everything is ok ill ask to move the final one to kubuntu-ppa as soon as they tag it in git [14:37] they seem a bit slow with this tagging [14:48] <_Groo_> Riddell: a tar will do fine [14:48] <_Groo_> Riddell: whatever comes first [14:48] <_Groo_> Riddell: just saying its ready [14:49] <_Groo_> Riddell: this weekend im gonna update and cleanup the calligra debs also [15:16] * debfx prepares kde-workspace 4.7.3 [15:26] kubuntu-ppa has an old tarball of kde-workspace 4.7.3 [15:26] hi experts I've been building packages for a plasma widget that consits of many modules like a library, a plasma-dataengine, a krunner plugin and some widgets, for now I've been building each module as a separate package [15:26] also we shouldn't use the precise packaging for oneiric [15:27] now the author provided a global CMakesLists which'll build everything at once, can I use that to automatically built all the different packages, and what kind of package will that be, multiple binary? [15:28] debfx: for oneiric use what's in the PPA [15:28] and workspace is fine, the fix is there as patch [15:31] still it's not 4.7.3, there are a bunch of other commits that aren't in the first tarball [15:32] ok [15:33] kde-workspace from the ppa has changes from the bzr branch which is wrong because they were intended for precise [15:42] true, I missed the patch renaming -.- [15:42] debfx: so version is as 4.7.3a [15:43] hmm, poor rando_uu, needs more patience [15:48] yes [15:49] \o [15:49] why do we even upload 4.7.3 to precise when we are not pushing it to oneiric-proposed? [15:50] Adding to that, are we going to upload 4.8 to precise or stick with 4.7.3 ? [15:51] ( it is a LTS after all .... ) [15:51] Oh and since we get more space on the ISO ... browser wars anyone? :P [15:52] we'll have 4.8 in precise, it's quite a good time for an LTS for us really since kdelibs is frozen [15:52] or mostly frozen anyway [15:53] Yeah, but I'm still not sure as to whether or not it will be a good idea to ship 4.8 [15:53] imho 4.7.x is more suited for a LTS [15:54] and miss out on all the bug fixes in 4.8? [15:54] I'm pretty sure all bug fixes to 4.8 will land in 4.7.3 [15:54] or 4.7.4 ... [15:55] It's just that 4.8 will probably contain alot of new features that will might have bugs .... [15:55] And even though we have alot of time till the release, we might not be able to squish all of them [15:56] * ... of new features that might have bugs ... [15:57] there will be many bug fixes in 4.8 that don't go into 4.7.x, upstream is our main source of bug fixes [15:58] But why won't they backport these bug fixes? [16:01] because the fixes might be too big to backport, they might depend on new parts in 4.8, or they might not bother since 4.7 is old news [16:01] and for e.g. kdepim we want the latest possible [16:02] with KDE PIM I agree, but with the other parts of KDE ... not so much [16:06] that the gnomers don't plan to update gnome surprises me, we've had this discussion at past LTSs and the conclusion was always to use the latest stable upstream [16:09] Hmm ... like I said, I still have my doubts, but since you guys have been doing this for a longer time, you know better ;) [16:12] Quintasan: what ROM are you running on yer transformer? [16:15] uh oh [16:15] I'll need a DVD to install oneiric afresh from now on -.- [16:16] Riddell: how's your new place and did it exist? [16:17] davmor2: it does exist and so does my flatmate, it's a tropical paradise [16:17] Riddell: haha! [16:18] Riddell: where are you these days? [16:18] geographically :) [16:19] shadeslayer: a bit of France in the carribean [16:19] Riddell: ps Sue says it should be doable :) [16:19] whoa [16:20] Riddell: you relocated? [16:20] or just a vacation? [16:21] shadeslayer: a relocation for a couple of months [16:21] ah :) [16:21] davmor2: ooh lovely :) [16:41] fregl: how does this look for working around qt-at-spi breakage? http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kde4libs_4.7.2-0ubuntu3.debdiff [16:42] yofel, debfx: can I upload this to oneiric-proposed or should it go into 4.7.3? [17:53] Riddell: yep, uploading it to o-proposed is fine [17:58] hi [17:59] Riddell: so, do you like "la guadeloupe" ? [19:03] can you guys backport patch for this bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=285803 [19:03] KDE bug 285803 in WLM Plugin "Unable to connect to WLM for 3 days" [Normal,New] [19:03] all msn clients stoped working [19:05] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/887104 [19:06] Launchpad bug 887104 in libmsn (Ubuntu) "Can not login to Windows Live Messenger" [Undecided,In progress] [19:17] debfx: I very much want 4.7.3 in oneiric-proposed, but for that it needs to be in precise [19:24] yofel: ok, didn't know that [19:25] Riddell: did you see what agateau and I came up with? I think that is the better solution (?) [19:25] Riddell: basically using the gsetting value for screen reader active instead of accessibility active === lelamal___ is now known as lelamal [21:26] fregl: no I didn't see that, where can I find it? [21:30] Quintasan, ping again :-D === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [22:45] rbelem: pong [22:59] rbelem: Tell me what you want and I'll see what I can do about it