[00:10] <snikker> i've set phonon in the "system settings" --> "multimedia" but when unplug/plug the heaphones it chane my satting..
[00:10] <snikker> *settings
[00:12] <new2net> Will I still receive important security updates for Natty? If so, when will support for Natty cease?
[00:17] <OerHeks> new2net, natty will be supported 'till October 2012
[00:18] <OerHeks> current oneiric April 2013
[00:23] <encrucijado> hi there
[00:24] <encrucijado> i gotta a question
[00:24] <encrucijado> everytime i try to get unetbootin the repository said my authentification fail
[00:25] <encrucijado> and i dont know how to get the permission
[00:25] <encrucijado> i need unetbooting getting install in my pc
[00:26] <encrucijado> all this from the kpackage kit
[00:28] <OerHeks> authentification fail, did you use the correc password ?
[00:28] <encrucijado> where i can put the password
[00:29] <OerHeks> " sudo apt-get install unetbootin " should work fine
[00:30] <encrucijado> let me try this way
[00:30] <encrucijado> from terminal
[00:31] <OerHeks> after enter, it will ask your pass, and show no typing, this is normal.
[00:32] <encrucijado> didnt give me the permission too
[00:32] <encrucijado> i guess my psswrd is all mess up
[00:32] <encrucijado> is there a generic pswwr__
[00:33] <OerHeks> nope, the user who installs Kubuntu, owns root priv. , there is no other password.
[00:33] <encrucijado> i did
[00:33] <encrucijado> but i must forget
[00:34] <encrucijado> got it
[00:36] <encrucijado> why sometimes i need to use su -a and other times sudo
[00:38] <sergey2771> iruwka8
[00:39] <new2net> OerHeks, thank you :)
[00:57] <weatherill> hi?
[00:57] <Buddy2> hi
[00:58] <Buddy2> Question
[00:59] <Buddy2> I could not install 11.1 on a AMD Duron 700
[00:59] <Buddy2> always stalled during kernel install
[00:59] <Buddy2> 11.04 went fine
[00:59] <Buddy2> too old for kernel 3.0?
[01:04] <Buddy2> ?
[01:05] <Buddy2> no idea about the amd duron?
[01:05] <kruckss> Amd duron ?
[01:06] <Buddy2> yeah
[01:06] <Buddy2> wanted to install 11.1 on it, did not work, stalled during kernel installation.
[01:06] <kruckss> i have amd phenom II x4 :D
[01:06] <Buddy2> 11.04 worked perfect!
[01:06] <Buddy2> hw too old?
[01:06] <Buddy2> or is kernel 3.0 just no backwards compatible anymore?
[01:09] <kruckss> you used  ubuntu 8.04 this runing this  pc i testing
[01:09] <Buddy2> no, used 11.04
[01:10] <Buddy2> ah, you used 8.04...
[01:10] <Ripp__> How on earth do I connect to multiple servers using quassel?
[01:10] <Buddy2> just want to say that I changed lots of PCs to ubuntu when I discovered kubuntu 11.04. I was impressed!!!!!
[01:10] <kruckss> used 11.04 more slow
[01:10] <Buddy2> But now.
[01:10] <Buddy2> I was a bit shocked by 11.1
[01:11] <Buddy2> use pidgin ;-)
[01:11] <Buddy2> I am not very pleased with 11.1
[01:12] <Ripp__> lol, looks like one has to manually add the server..
[01:12] <Buddy2> How can they release a dual architecture without testing and changing the base (debian) correctly?
[01:12] <Ripp__> kind of lame, oh well
[01:12] <Buddy2> all this crap with debian package manager getting confused and wants to remove hundreds of packages.
[01:13] <kruckss> i not understan you speak me english es bad,xD
[01:14] <Buddy2> why there is no choice of architecture when installing?
[01:15] <SIR_Taco> Buddy2: you can download the X86 or X86_64 cd to begin with...
[01:15] <Buddy2> on 11.04 I do not miss any packet that must be x32!!!
[01:15] <Buddy2> I did.
[01:15] <kruckss> x86 is 32 bits  x86-64 is 64 bits
[01:15] <SIR_Taco> you did what?
[01:15] <Buddy2> but x64 supports dual architecture
[01:16] <Buddy2> not really
[01:16] <Buddy2> starting from 11.10 both is supported
[01:16] <Buddy2> which has not been properly tested with debian package management.
[01:16] <SIR_Taco> Buddy2: what's the problem?
[01:16] <Buddy2> there is a big thread in a bug entry for it.
[01:17] <Buddy2> packages get displayed double and if you select specific packages it suggests to remove over hundred packages because they will not be needed anymore...
[01:20] <Buddy2> look at
[01:20] <Buddy2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/831768
[01:20] <Rioting_Pacifist> Buddy2: This isn't a fix, but have you tried the alt installer. I also doubt it is to do with the CPU but rather a motherboard (try truning off ACPI) or driver (had you turned on the drivers?) problem
[01:20] <Buddy2> yea
[01:20] <Buddy2> guess on what ubuntu is based?
[01:21] <Buddy2> didn't they do proper testing?
[01:21] <Buddy2> such obvious things like package manager?
[01:22] <Buddy2> if the underlying package manager can not copy with dual architecture, then why introduce it?
[01:22] <Buddy2> I do not understand this.
[01:22] <Rioting_Pacifist> Buddy2: ubuntu isn't based on aptitude, I'm not even sure if aptitude is on the default install
[01:23] <Buddy2> though, there is a way to restrict aptitude to a specific architecture.
[01:23] <Buddy2> but on debian.
[01:23] <SIR_Taco> Buddy2: do you understand the complexities of hosting a dual arch system?
[01:23] <Buddy2> if the debian release is not ready why should ubuntu be?
[01:23] <Buddy2> that exactly is the question!!!!!
[01:24] <Buddy2> why the hell go such a complex way and loos stability and users?
[01:24] <Rioting_Pacifist> Buddy2: when did multiarch become a supported configuration? You can install ubuntu on your toaster, I don;
[01:24] <Buddy2> from 11.10 on...
[01:24] <Rioting_Pacifist> 't expect them to test it and make sure it works well on it for free though
[01:24] <SIR_Taco> Buddy2: that's not the point
[01:25] <Buddy2> I run it on 2 machines.
[01:25] <Buddy2> other ones have 11.04.
[01:25] <Buddy2> I am thinking of reverting it....
[01:25] <SIR_Taco> Buddy2: but you're trying to run a 32-bit processor on 64-bit Ubuntu?
[01:25] <Buddy2> no
[01:26] <Buddy2> I have 64
[01:26] <Buddy2> the issue with the amd is a different thing...
[01:26] <SIR_Taco> look... I've already thrown a helmet at my Captain today... so get to the point
[01:27] <yofel> Rioting_Pacifist: erm, multiarch is enabled by default since 11.10 on amd64 - and required for skype for example
[01:27] <yofel> so it's very much supported
[01:27] <Buddy2> skype, lol
[01:27] <yofel> aptitude isn't installed by default on desktops though
[01:27] <Buddy2> ?
[01:27] <yofel> Buddy2: some pople use that (me for example)
[01:27] <Buddy2> it is
[01:28] <yofel> Buddy2: it is not
[01:28] <Buddy2> yeah, for business I guess
[01:28] <yofel> since... maverick I think
[01:28] <yofel> should be on server though
[01:28] <Buddy2> what a mess in privacy...
[01:28] <SIR_Taco> anyway, whatever... good luck
[01:28] <yofel> you can disable multiarch in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch
[01:29] <yofel> once it's off aptitude will work fine
[01:29] <Buddy2> I just wanted to say that this release lost in trust on my side.
[01:29] <Buddy2> I will again wait at least 3 to 4 month before installing a new release.
[01:29] <Buddy2> after the release has been released.
[01:29] <Buddy2> disable...
[01:29] <Buddy2> hmmm
[01:30] <Buddy2> will try it, thanks
[01:30] <Buddy2> why isn't this mentioned in the bug entry?
[01:30] <Buddy2> or I did not see it.
[01:32] <yofel> it's mentioned in comment #14
[01:32] <Buddy2> ah
[01:33] <Buddy2> ok, interesting. comment #15 thinks same as me.
[01:33] <Buddy2> but if disabling works why then revert...
[01:34] <szal> yofel: you see a chance for a Qt update to hit oneiric-updates?  or know a PPA that has more current Qt?
[01:34] <yofel> more current as in?
[01:34] <Buddy2> pfff
[01:34] <Buddy2> fix is planned for 12.04
[01:34] <szal> 4.7.4
[01:35]  * szal is getting tired of Konversation crashing out of the blue
[01:35] <Buddy2> ;-)
[01:35] <szal> which is due to a Qt bug, according to the Konvi devs
[01:35] <yofel> 4.7.4 is what oneiric has currently
[01:35] <Buddy2> yofel, what could be the reason that a 11.10 install stalls on a amd duron 700?
[01:36] <szal> yofel: indeed, hence my question
[01:36] <Buddy2> 11.04 worked fine! tried it 3 times.
[01:36] <yofel> Buddy2: can't think of a reason offhand...
[01:36] <Buddy2> stalled during installation and configuration of kernel and modules.
[01:36] <yofel> szal: nothing newer packaged yet anywhere AFAIK
[01:36] <Buddy2> though not at same positions.
[01:38] <Buddy2> Before leaving, I just want to say I am very very impressed of the stability of kubuntu 11.04!!!!
[01:38] <Buddy2> tnx a lot for that effort.
[01:39] <Buddy2> changed from debian to ubuntu because of this.
[01:40] <Buddy2> gn all
[01:40] <Buddy2> tcu
[02:17] <johnnyrobo> Would anyone be willing to help me get my wireless card working right?
[02:20] <johnnyrobo> anyone?
[02:20] <EvilResistance> johnnyrobo:  you need to explain the issue first
[02:20] <EvilResistance> johnnyrobo:  as well...
[02:20] <EvilResistance> !patience
[02:20]  * EvilResistance has other things to do :P
[02:20] <EvilResistance> for WORK
[02:21] <johnnyrobo> oh well right on evil resistance
[02:21] <zorobabel> something I need to see the forums about (though I'm lazy) is the fact that my Asus Eee PC cannot hibernate/sleep
[02:24] <NlessKnight> Which EEE?
[02:25] <zorobabel> 1215B
[02:25] <NlessKnight> Aha.  Sorry, don't know much about that one.
[02:26] <zorobabel> no problem
[02:27] <johnnyrobo> I have a Pro/Wireless 2200BG wireless card that keeps dropping my signal every 5 min.  I have a Toshiba Satellite A105. I have the most current driver installed for the card. I have tried ajusting the MTU and it does not help. Any helpful hints or suggestions?
[02:33] <DarthFrog> johnnyrobo: I don't know anything about your wireless card but don't forget that it takes two to tango.  Check that it isn't an issue with your wireless router.
[02:35] <johnnyrobo> Thanks Darth. It is not. My fathers Windows run Computer as well as my cell both work perfectly.
[02:51] <cesko> salve
[02:54] <cesko> hu!
[02:54] <cesko> hi!
[03:12] <bartman2589> @johnnyrobo, try changing your wireless channel, when I was using a wireless connection I found that often times moving closer to either end of the channel lineup (say maybe to channel 2 or 8, instead of the normal default of 5 that most wireless adapters use), often helped improve my signal strength while shifting the signal away from other devices that commonly cause interference with wireless connections (cell phones,
[03:12] <bartman2589> cordless phones and a few other things).
[03:15] <cesko> list
[03:38] <dank> hello, I need help with amarok... after ejecute never see on grafic mode, but is fine on system monitor.. thank
[04:00] <Daskreech> dank: Hello
[04:15] <christopher> for nvidia drivers whats the difference between version current and post release?
[04:20] <Daskreech> christopher: as I understand it current was what existed when 11.10 was released and post release are what came out after that
[05:29] <semitones> i'd like to file a bug report against ALSA but I don't know what relevant information I need
[05:29] <semitones> or if ALSA is at fault
[05:33] <phiscribe> whats alsa doing or not doing
[05:50] <Daskreech> semitones: See phiscribe's question above
[05:51] <semitones> oh, thanks
[05:51] <semitones> It doesn't mute the speakers when I plug in headphones -- sometimes
[05:51] <semitones> also, if I use the keyboard's volume up/down buttons, it unmutes the speakers that I muted in alsamixer
[05:55] <Tm_T> morning
[06:00] <phiscribe> well, if it is kubuntu, it might be pulseaudio
[06:01] <phiscribe> as your sound card plays, is capable of volume changes and the speakers and headphones can mute and unmute, it does not sound like alsa, but the things and programs utilizing alsa
[06:01] <phiscribe> these kinda problems are notorious
[06:02] <semitones> i thought kubuntu didn't use pulseaudio
[06:02] <phiscribe> default does
[06:02] <semitones> ah I see. i must be remembering from old days
[06:02] <phiscribe> and the multimedia keys on your keyboard wouldnt be involved in alsa
[06:03] <phiscribe> something else is catching that and sending it (incorectly it seems) to alsa as the appropriate command
[06:03] <phiscribe> the head phone dection though, could be a bug
[06:04] <phiscribe> its a thorny thing to nail down, i cant offer much help, only compasion in your search for non annoying behaviour in computing
[06:06] <valorie> phiscribe: I had this problem in 11.04
[06:06] <valorie> turned out to be a kernel problem
[06:07] <valorie> to fix, I had to install a kernel quirk
[06:07] <valorie> but with 11.10, all is working again
[06:07] <valorie> so you might visit #ubuntu-kernel and ask for help
[06:08] <semitones> thanks valorie
[06:08] <semitones> I will
[06:08] <semitones> this is the bug report if anyone is interested: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/888415
[06:10] <valorie> it seems to be soundcard specific, if I recall correctly
[06:10] <valorie> the kernel people were endlessly patient and helpful
[06:10] <semitones> valorie: the funny thing is it only started happening after I installed kubuntu-desktop
[06:11] <semitones> or around the same time anyway
[06:11] <valorie> sound in linux is so freakishly complicated
[06:11] <semitones> too true
[06:11] <valorie> fortunately, everyone I know who works on the apps is really cool
[06:11] <semitones> next time, I'm buying a thinkpad or something :p
[06:12] <valorie> the high-end thinkpads are really high-quality
[06:13] <valorie> about the only laptop I've heard about that everyone likes
[06:14] <semitones> i've also heard they're more expensive than comparable macbook pros, so I'll have a hard decision to make if I do end up buying a new laptop in the next few years
[06:14] <phiscribe> sometimes just deleting the pulseaudio config file fixes many things
[06:14] <phiscribe> .pulse or something
[06:15] <semitones> hmm, i hope it is that easy :)
[06:15] <semitones> at this point feel like I should wait for a comment on the bug, or from the kernel team
[06:15] <semitones> to see if they want to check something first
[06:16] <valorie> they might ask you to do that first, depending
[06:17] <valorie> !sound
[06:17] <valorie> you might want to go through that first
[06:22] <jmichaelx> for me, it seems kubuntu is disregarding phonon (or any other audio-related) settings. i have set what audio devices to use, but i continuously wind up with my webcam mic being set as the default audio device
[06:23] <phiscribe> jmichaelx in the sound set up, if it lists your webcam mic first, it is default, there is an arrow key to move the device up and down, that is make one prefered over another, if it is not that, i am cluess
[06:23] <jmichaelx> if i unplug the webcam, then plug it back in, things are fine... but that has become really irritating
[06:24] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: like i said above, phonon is set correctly. it is disregarding the phonon settings. others have been reporting the same issue
[06:26] <jmichaelx> also, the webcam mic seems to be clearly recognized by everything as being a webcam mic... it is (to me) ridiculous that a mic would ever be set as the default audio device
[06:28] <phiscribe> dont have it up (kubunut) atm, maybe add some dummy devices to try and jog the order
[06:29] <bartman2589> how do I do a distribution upgrade using apt-get, using 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' doesn't work it tells me everything's up to date
[06:29] <jmichaelx> there was a third device, audio from nvidia sound card... it was also grabbing that off and on, making it the default audio. i finally blacklisted that one to simplify things
[06:30] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: you have to edit your scources.list, and point your links to oneiric (providing you are running natty)
[06:30] <bartman2589> so I'd have to change all references to natty to oneiric then?
[06:31] <jmichaelx> yes
[06:31] <bartman2589> then I can use 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'?
[06:31] <phiscribe> dunno why dist-upgrade is borked in 11.04, the gui manager will start the distro upgrade, but dude, back it up, lots of people with spilled milk with dist-upgrade this time around
[06:32] <jmichaelx> you may also have more sources enabled in /etc/apt/source.list.d/ , so you should check there, too
[06:32] <bartman2589> I've tried like 5 times already with the gui manager, every time it freezes at around 51% that's why I want to do it from the shell prompt
[06:32] <phiscribe> changing sources to oneiric will make a regular upgrade do what is essetialy a dist-upgrade
[06:32] <phiscribe> does it give an error?
[06:32] <bartman2589> nope, just freezed the entier system
[06:32] <bartman2589> freezes*
[06:32] <bartman2589> entire*
[06:32] <SilentDis> bartman2589: what are you running now, Kubuntu 11.04?
[06:32] <phiscribe> ppa's in your sources could be causing problems, if you have any
[06:33] <jmichaelx> i dist-upgraded 4 kubuntu machines, and had no problems with the upgrade.... besides several very annoying bugs in 11.10
[06:33] <phiscribe> yes it is those bugs im refering to, annoying for one is show stopper for another
[06:33] <bartman2589> yep, on fresh clean updated install of 11.04, no 3rd party repos added or anything, just updated from existing repos
[06:33] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: which bugs are those?
[06:34] <SilentDis> bartman2589: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NattyUpgrades - have you tried this?  if it gives you errors, can you pastebin them?
[06:34] <phiscribe> replaced /var /var/run locations, dead network managers, dead sound, dead kmail, dead akanodia, (however its spelled)
[06:34] <phiscribe> the /var location changs can lead to dbus not running
[06:34] <phiscribe> read the release notes
[06:36] <jmichaelx> yea, i think a lot of people have had issues with that
[06:37] <jmichaelx> kubuntu oneiric is not off to a good start for many people
[06:38] <phiscribe> flash eating all memory then seg faulting, et4 journaling using high cpu and writing to disk ever 1-5 seconds, cd drives spinnning for no reason, (and usb drives with strage read writes)
[06:38] <phiscribe> fstab not working, if you like 11.04 id stay awhile, i borked my 11.04 with 11.10 did a clean install
[06:39] <bartman2589> looks like the 'sudo do-release-upgrade' is working so far, only errors I saw zipped by too fast to read but most appeared to be related to localization (ie. 'translation_en' or something like that).
[06:39] <phiscribe> do-releaese, wow id fogot that one
[06:40] <phiscribe> my locales were a mix of en-us  en-au  en-uk   i was also having ibus errors, finlay set the input method to en-us and the rest of the locales i could find and seems ok now
[06:40] <bartman2589> I'm just glad it seems to be working, got really really tired of wiping the partition and having to start over because the gui upgrade kept borking permissions on several files when it froze
[06:42] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: i also had the locales issue on one machine.... i had forgotten about that. didn't run into it on the other three machines
[06:43] <phiscribe> ubuntu one seemed to take a hit, just that i read, not experienced
[06:43] <bartman2589> bad part is that if the devs hadn't changed something in the install scripts (or related files) between 10.10 and 11.10 I would probably just be able to do a clean install of 11.10 straight up.  Buuuuttttttt nnnnoooooooo, keeping the install scripts such that they work for everybody like they did on 10.10 would evidently have made too much sense
[06:43] <jmichaelx> i still have a laptop that i haven't upgraded, because i do not want to deal with the ghost icons in the task manager bug
[06:43] <valorie> do-release worked for me, for both my laptop and netbook
[06:44] <bartman2589> it's downloading packages still for me, going to keep my fingers crossed
[06:44] <phiscribe> bartman2589 i still and trying to remeber its upstart jobs nowadays
[06:45] <jmichaelx> that laptop is probably going to start using XFCE anyways.... it has a 1.8GHz core duo processor, 2 GB RAM, and it isn't a rare thing at all for it to start swapping.... no other DE is nearly so hard on that laptop's resources
[06:45] <bartman2589> lost me, I'm not a linux guru by any meaning of the word
[06:46] <phiscribe> the way dameons and other services starts has been moving from some time out of init.d type to updtart jobs, and it confues the heck out of me so dont feel bad
[06:46] <bartman2589> I'll agree KDE is hard on resources, that's the price we pay for a 'pretty' desktop environment though
[06:46] <bartman2589> ah
[06:47] <bartman2589> and I use KDE because of it's overall similarity to 'That other OS'
[06:47] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: i think the way KDE presently thrashes CPUs is more the result of how buggy kwin is
[06:48] <jmichaelx> not that it's all kwin's fault... it is often mentioned how poorly the Xorg folks communicate with KDE
[06:48] <bartman2589> 10.10 was working fine for me until a couple weeks ago, I had installed a bunch of stuff and figured it was probably something I did that made it go all wonky, and since 10.10 wasn't a LTS Release I figured it was time for me to move to one
[06:48] <phiscribe> ive been thinking gentoo just so i can get more control over whats coming and going, though ive never used it, its hard to try to use some of this for business
[06:49] <phiscribe> is 11.10 LTS?  i didnt think it was
[06:49] <bartman2589> yep, until 2013
[06:49] <jmichaelx> phiscribe:  i installed gentoo on a desktop here at home several months ago, and i have to say that i have yet to experience any serious problems with it at all
[06:50] <jmichaelx> no, 11.10 is NOT LTS
[06:50] <phiscribe> that slotting thing gives me wood
[06:50] <jmichaelx> slotting thing?
[06:50] <phiscribe> in portage ablity to have multiple versions of same app installed
[06:50] <jmichaelx> ahhhh, yea
[06:51] <jmichaelx> but generally you do not do that
[06:51] <jmichaelx> ahh... you are saying that you WANT to do that
[06:51] <bartman2589> ok, maybe not listed as specifically LTS, but it IS supported until 2013 like 10.04 is
[06:51] <phiscribe> but the time you need to, apt solutions can be rough
[06:51] <bartman2589> my bad
[06:52] <bartman2589> 10.04 was last true LTS I guess
[06:52] <jmichaelx> i still have some gentoo details to figure out.... like how to install specific ebuilds from layman repos...
[06:52] <phiscribe> jmichaelx its just that its a leaning curve, i dnot know if i want to jump into
[06:53] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: i have had to do a fair bit of reading... but the place where i work is full of die-hard gentoo users, so i have had people i could ask when i have run into questions
[06:53] <bartman2589> I was just kind of happy that they finally fixed the network manager after it being screwed up for like 5 years
[06:54] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: the network manager in KDE?
[06:54] <phiscribe> gnight guys, happy computing, its almost 2am
[06:54] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: good night
[06:54] <jmichaelx> almost 2am here, too
[06:55] <bartman2589> yep, all the versions of Kubuntu prior to 11.10 that I had used I couldn't configure my network using the KDE network manager, I had to enable the Gnome network manager and use a script to load it into the KDE systray just so I could change my network settings without having to dig through all the config files to get to the various locations where parts of it are stored
[06:56] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: there was a good while that i also used nm-applet or wicd instead of knetworkmanager... but it seems to me like that was a good while ago
[06:57] <bartman2589> well it was as recent as 10.10 for me (never really used 11.04)
[06:58] <jmichaelx> i should also mention that on wired machines, i usually ditch network managers and set things up manually
[06:59] <jmichaelx> also with some wireless machines, if they are stationary
[06:59] <bartman2589> I set manual IP addresses and gateway addresses and DNS server addresses
[07:00] <bartman2589> I don't use wireless right now even though my ADSL Modem has the capabilities (don't really need to since the modem is in same room as my computers)
[07:00] <jmichaelx> here too, depending on the machine... i work for a small webhosting company, and have DNS set differently on a few machines, for testing
[07:01] <bartman2589> but I've had enough problems with samba and netbios not working right that I manually assign IP addresses and add them to my hosts file on each machine so it's easier to browse my network
[07:02] <bartman2589> I have a list of like 20 DNS server addresses I add so I can be relatively sure I can reach any site without too much trouble
[07:02] <bartman2589> overkill I know, and it probably slows things down a bit but it's ok
[07:03] <bartman2589> just got sick of 'Page not found' errors just because my ISP's DNS server wasn't able to process a link I clicked on
[07:03] <jmichaelx> that is a long list of DNS servers.... i just use two (from home), my ISP's, and google's public DNS
[07:04] <jmichaelx> you must have a suck*** ISP, if you are having those kinds of DNS problems
[07:04] <bartman2589> AT&T
[07:05] <jmichaelx> i've never had AT&T
[07:05] <bartman2589> it's either that or go with Comcast and have damn near everything I download throttled, never mind that if I'm paying for the bandwidth it should be available for me for whatever I want to do with it
[07:06] <jmichaelx> i had comcast up until 2 years ago, and although i hate that company, my internet service was great
[07:07] <bartman2589> with AT&T I don't have much trouble with bandwidth throttling, only routing problems for the game servers I connect to unfortunately
[07:07] <jmichaelx> i did not notice much of any throttling going on
[07:07] <bartman2589> often times I get a bottleneck around Houston or Chicago
[07:08] <jmichaelx> seeems to me that bit torrenting did get sluggish, but improved with encryption turned on
[07:09] <bartman2589> yeah, I force encryption on the full stream and usually it works great, like today when I had to redownload the iso's for 11.04 so I could install 11.04 and then do the release upgrade to 11.10, had both Desktop and Alternative CD iso's downloaded in like 15 minutes
[07:09] <jmichaelx> in this area, comcast offers 15Mb down and 3Mb up for $60/mo.... i get 5 down and 1 up for $55... which is the best i can do where i currently live (very very small town)
[07:10] <bartman2589> I'm getting 6Mb down and 768Kb up for about $25/month
[07:11] <jmichaelx> that is actually a very good price
[07:11] <bartman2589> but then I'm in a major suburb of Detroit too
[07:11] <jmichaelx> i wish i had an option like that
[07:12] <bartman2589> when I was living in LaCrosse Wisconsin I had Charter internet 5Mb down 1Mb up for like $30/month
[07:12] <jmichaelx> i am not a gamer, and do not use p2p very heavily, so i can deal well with some fluctuation.... as long as streaming video works well most of the time
[07:12] <jmichaelx> yea, this internet service i have is extremely overpriced (imo), but i have little choice
[07:13] <jmichaelx> it's either this or dialup
[07:13] <bartman2589> I'm not a huge gamer, once in a while I play Runes of Magic or Dungeons & Dragons Online, most of the rest of the time I use the bandwidth for Second Life (not technically a game)
[07:14] <jmichaelx> i have not logged into second life in a few years... do you use alinux client?
[07:14] <jmichaelx> a linux*
[07:15] <bartman2589> yeah, it's called Phoenix, it's based on the old Emerald Viewer code, and the same dev team is making a new viewer based partly on Linden Labs Viewer 2 Official Viewer but adding features from Phoenix and from other viewers
[07:15] <bartman2589> they have Windows/Mac/Linux versions of both
[07:16] <bartman2589> but the only one of my systems powerful enough to run SL is the one I'm installing 11.10 on now, so I haven't had my SL fix in a couple days because of the problems I've been having installling 11.10, lol
[07:16] <jmichaelx> yea... i used to log in from time to time, but back then the linux client i was (trying) to use really sucked. locked up very frequently
[07:17] <bartman2589> I rarely have problems with Phoenix unless say Firefox decides to try to use all my memory, then Phoenix sometimes crashes on me
[07:18] <jmichaelx> does it have fairly steep system reqs?
[07:19] <bartman2589> for good performance yes, for ok performance not really, I run it on an old Pentium 4 2.8Ghz w/hyperthreading and an nvidia 7600gs agp card with 512mb ram, and 3gb system ram
[07:20] <jmichaelx> i imagine that runs it well enough?
[07:20] <bartman2589> in most places in SL I can get around 15fps with my video settings cranked up to high
[07:20] <bartman2589> usually around 25fps on medium
[07:21] <bartman2589> but I'm also running it windowed not fullscreen, fullscreen you usually get higher fps
[07:22] <jmichaelx> my machines should do alright then (i imagine)... the two PCs i generally use here at my desk both have dual-core atom CPUs... one has nvidia ion2 graphics, the other onboard intel... maybe the intel one would not do so well
[07:22] <bartman2589> there's some people that run it on netbooks without too much trouble
[07:23] <bartman2589> intel graphics don't really do so good with it
[07:23] <bartman2589> but I can run it with my old nvidia MX-4000 PCI videocard, doesn't run very fast or very pretty but it does run
[07:23] <jmichaelx> not too surprised... although i have been surprised how well this nettop with intel video does with playing movies...
[07:24] <bartman2589> intel usually does a fair job of optimizing their chipsets for things like dvd playback, just not for things like directx or opengl rendering unfortunately
[07:25] <jmichaelx> i am not sure what hulu is doing wrong with their hulu desktop client, but it runs better on my machine with intel video, than on my machine with the nvidia ion2 graphics
[07:25] <jmichaelx> yes, that makes sense
[07:26] <bartman2589> I actually got better performance in hulu by turning of the Flash hardware acceleration on my main system, fewer lockups and crashes
[07:26] <jmichaelx> generally the ion2 machine plays HD streams (in mplayer) with ease.... flash, not nearly so well
[07:26] <bartman2589> turning off*
[07:27] <jmichaelx> yea, i could look into that... it's also possible that if i would use their 32 bit plugin , things would go better.... i am still using the 64-bit 'square preview' of 10.3 on this thing... it works better than any other version i have tried
[07:28] <bartman2589> ah, I don't have any 64 bit capable systems yet, way way way way overdue for an upgrade in that regard
[07:29] <jmichaelx> i have more computers than any single human being should be allowed to own, but most are 64-bit now... minus one core duo laptop, and my dell mini 9 (which i still love, and take with me everywhere)
[07:31] <bartman2589> looking into a motherboard/processor combo from Microcenter for around $190+tax Phenom II X6 1100T Unlocked Black Edition and admittedly a cheapo motherboard that I'd probably replace a little further down the road
[07:31] <jmichaelx> wow
[07:31] <bartman2589> well it's 'in store pickup only' and fortunately I have a store only about 5 miles away
[07:32] <jmichaelx> i doubt you would very run into any bottlenecks on that machine (depending on the motherboard)
[07:32] <bartman2589> kind of like a walkin version of tigerdirect or newegg
[07:32] <jmichaelx> what is the price on the CPU?
[07:32] <bartman2589> $160 w/free motherboard
[07:32] <jmichaelx> very often*
[07:33] <bartman2589> or I can get $40 off my choice of another motherboard
[07:33] <bartman2589> choice of 4 free motherboards though
[07:33] <jmichaelx> not bad.... i bought a 3-core athlon 2 CPU on sale from newegg maybe 6 months ago, and paid around $65
[07:34] <jmichaelx> that sounds like a decent deal... hopefully you can do some research on the motherboard before you buy one
[07:34] <bartman2589> I could get a X2 560 for $88 with a free motherboard, but I figure I should spring for a better processor and just swap out the board later on
[07:35] <jmichaelx> yea, that should not be a big deal
[07:35] <bartman2589> then I can take that free board and build another budget system
[07:35] <bartman2589> upgrade in steps
[07:36] <jmichaelx> i bought the athlon 2 CPU for an AM2+ motherboard that i took home from work, since they were going to throw it away
[07:36] <jmichaelx> they were getting rid of stuff that was old enough they were not going to ever use
[07:37] <bartman2589> that's how I got my Compaq D510SFF a few years ago, they were going to throw it away
[07:37] <bartman2589> well more like almost 5 years ago now I guess
[07:38] <jmichaelx> lol... i work on the campus of a small college.... there is an e-waste recycle bin there, and i have taken home a lot of PCS and laptops from that thing
[07:38] <jmichaelx> palm pilots, one ipod nano
[07:38] <bartman2589> still it had the sticker with a reg code for XP on it, so all I needed to do was add RAM and a hard drive and I had a fair secondary system for non-graphics intensive things
[07:38] <bartman2589> must be nice
[07:39] <jmichaelx> i even found a PC remote in there a few weeks ago, in perfect shape, with working batteries,... i cannot comprehend why some of these things get thrown away
[07:39] <bartman2589> I wish I could get into the local recycle center, they have pallets of laptops and big bins of computers all the time
[07:39] <jmichaelx> granted it can be bought new online for $20 or less, but i had never had one
[07:40] <jmichaelx> yea, it is shocking what people throw away
[07:40] <bartman2589> I'm sure some of them just need a little minor work like some of the systems I've had in the past where the old capacitors started to leak and just replacing the capacitors fixed it right up for like $3 in parts
[07:41] <jmichaelx> i have a friend, who is a single mother with 3 children, and their home has a nice network with 3 PCs and 2 netbooks... mostly made up of my recycle bin finds
[07:41] <jmichaelx> minus the netbooks.... both of those i purchased used
[07:41] <bartman2589> I used to go 'junking' with friends of mine back when I lived in LaCrosse, we used to find all sorts of things
[07:42] <bartman2589> monitors that needed the yoke connections resoldered, keyboards with the plug in end mangled, printers that only needed a good cleaning
[07:43] <jmichaelx> yea... printers.... constantly being thrown away
[07:43] <jmichaelx> i do not even look at hem anymore, though i probably should
[07:43] <jmichaelx> them*
[07:44] <bartman2589> closest I've come since I moved to michigan is finding an old Gateway with an Athlon 1300 in it, and an Ubuntu 10.04 DVD in the CD Burner lol
[07:44] <jmichaelx> i did my first soldering job on a dead samsung monitor (the one i am using right now) with bad caps just a few months ago
[07:44] <bartman2589> evidently somebody didn't know that their CD burner wasn't capable of reading DVD's
[07:44] <jmichaelx> i am amazed that it had the ubuntu DVD!
[07:45] <jmichaelx> ahh yea
[07:45] <bartman2589> had an 80gb and a 40gb hard drive in it too
[07:45] <bartman2589> and the soundblaster audigy card that I'm using now
[07:46] <bartman2589> that card made it a worthwhile find at least
[07:46] <jmichaelx> i get paid very little, so i consider the recycle bin finds as somewhat of a counter-balance to my occasional despair lol
[07:46] <keithzg> Printers are pretty brilliant for being thrown away; I haven't had to buy a toner cartridge in half a decade.
[07:46] <bartman2589> I can relate, unemployed taking care of my 88 year old father right now
[07:47] <jmichaelx> keithzg: yea, i am weird... i do not print much at home... so using an HP deskjet i purchased new 10 years ago... i just cannot throw something away that still works
[07:47] <bartman2589> I got my last two laser printers from the curbside, spend some time cleaning the paper dust off the rollers and cleaning the fuser drum and all was good
[07:48] <abhishek> never had a printer
[07:48] <abhishek> tahnk god!! :)
[07:48] <jmichaelx> i was given a laser printer at work... a giant HP printer, but have not brought it home yet
[07:48] <bartman2589> I'll admit I paid for my canon all in one printer/scanner, paid $15 from Salvation Army
[07:48] <keithzg> abhishek, get off my lawn :P
[07:48] <abhishek> I hear they are a real pain in the neck..
[07:48] <bartman2589> lol
[07:49] <jmichaelx> printers... but my 10 year old deskjet still works fine
[07:49] <bartman2589> heck my first laser printer was an old apple image writer that I connected by serial port, amazingly Windows XP (or was it 98 at the time) actually had drivers for it
[07:50] <abhishek> keithzg: hehe
[07:50] <jmichaelx> eiii.... i had betetr go to bed, if i am going to go to work in the morning :)
[07:50] <jmichaelx> good night all!
[07:50] <bartman2589> I don't print enough color to invest in a color printer really
[07:50] <jmichaelx> better*
[07:50] <bartman2589> sleep well
[07:50] <abhishek> gn
[07:51] <keithzg> IIRC Apple printers just used PostScript or . . . geez, it's been ages since I thought about that stuff, but I swear they did things in a way that meant they didn't need much in the way of drivers since they processed everything onboard.
[07:52] <keithzg> Made them more expensive, but meant the computer didn't need to know much to talk to them, just send them the raw PostScript data and it'd process it itself.
[07:53] <bartman2589> yeah, that old image writer was just a rebadged HP Laserwriter
[07:54] <bartman2589> well with the minor difference of the appletalk port or whatever they called it
[08:06] <zapper_> hi
[08:06] <zapper_> i have a problem with my laptop and I and completely lost
[08:06] <zapper_> it randomly freezes on boot
[08:07] <zapper_> sometimes it would boot correctly
[08:07] <zapper_> others it would boot to desktop withou loading the nvidia drivers
[08:07] <zapper_> and sometimes it would simply just freeze at startuo
[08:08] <zapper_> it happened to me on natty, but i have freshly installed oneiric and it continues to o the same
[08:15] <keithzg> have you checked the logs?
[08:21] <bartman2589> Ok, finally finished release upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10, had to use 'Boot Repair' to uncomment 'gfxpayload' entry so I could actually see the grub boot menu since it was using a display mode my monitor wouldn't display, problem I'm having now is that once I choose to boot into Kubuntu all I get is a black screen with a flashing underline cursor, I can't see what's not working right to be able to try to figure out what's
[08:21] <bartman2589> going on, can someone tell me what I need to change in my grub config file so that I can see where the problem is?
[08:23] <bartman2589> I've been trying to install 11.10 for the last few days and have run into problem after problem after problem
[08:24] <bartman2589> now that it's finally installed I feel I'm on the home stretch if only I can figure out why it's not loading
[08:25] <bartman2589> by loading I mean booting
[08:27] <keithzg> Hmmm. In those kinds of situations, I usually just load back up the Live session, chroot into the install and try to update everything. And make sure that the partition GRUB is being pointed towards still has the same /dev entry or UUID as its looking for. Beyond that, though, I can't think of anything specific.
[08:28] <bartman2589> problem is 11.10 live disk won't boot
[08:29] <keithzg> that...sounds like it could be very related to the problem at hand, heh.
[08:29] <bartman2589> that's why I had to install 11.04 then do release upgrade to 11.10
[08:29] <keithzg> What about the alternate install?
[08:30] <bartman2589> no dice, none of the 3 11.10 discs would boot into a gui for me
[08:30] <keithzg> Err, yeah, I know.
[08:30] <keithzg> The alternate install doesn't have a GUI ;)
[08:30] <bartman2589> I even tried install kubuntu in text mode from the dvd, still wouldn't work
[08:31] <keithzg> But surely you can boot into the CLI installer from the alternate install disk?
[08:31] <bartman2589> nope
[08:31] <jemand> Hi all, after upgrading to KDE 4.7.3 I can't access my e-mails anymore.
[08:31] <jemand> Kmail opens but when I try to open an e-mail it does't react.
[08:31] <jemand> Is there a way to reset Kmail. (Deleting any config files?)
[08:31] <keithzg> I can only assume that's a kernel-level bug you're running into, then...
[08:31] <zapper_> keithzg: how can i check the logs if the system doesn't boot
[08:32] <keithzg> zapper_ Boot into a live disk, view them from there.
[08:32] <zapper_> what files should i view? where are the logs located?
[08:33] <keithzg> bartman2589: well anyways, you should be able to check files, chroot and whatnot and such with the live disk of the previous version, at least. Sounds like there's something seriously incompatible with the Oneiric kernel or something equally fundamental, though :(
[08:34] <keithzg> zapper_: The wiki is your friend :) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxLogFiles
[08:34] <keithzg> (but basically, they're all in /var/log)
[08:34] <bartman2589> ok and how do I do that?  I'm still learning how to do things in linux, been a dos/windows user since before windows even came into existence, only been using linux for the last year or so
[08:36] <keithzg> bartman2589: Honestly, if you simply boot into the working (older) live disk and use dolphin to mount your existing hard drive, then peek around at the essential logs in /var/log like I've just prompted zapper_ to do, that alone should help you immensely to figure out what's going wrong.
[08:36] <keithzg> At very least, that's the simplest and most user-friendly thing I can think of.
[08:36] <bartman2589> ok
[08:37] <keithzg> Hopefully it's at least getting to the point where, even though it seems to be failing right away, it's at least writing some error message to /var/log/kern.log
[08:37] <zapper_> keithzg: thanks for the info, i would try that next time the computer freezes
[08:41] <bartman2589> we'll see in a bit, still booting into live usb that I installed 11.04 from
[08:57] <bartman2589> any specific log file I should look at first?  There's a bunch of them in /var/log
[09:01] <77CAAXFG3> godd moring szal
[09:01] <77CAAXFG3> good
[09:01] <77CAAXFG3> ;-)
[09:03] <bartman2589> is it possible to chroot into a system and use apt-get to update that system?  I'm guessing I could try that to try to see if maybe updating will help fix it
[09:04] <DarsVaeda> hi, I installed kubuntu-desktop over normal ubuntu 11.10 installation, now all applications default to gnome stuff like gedit instead of kate, is there a simple way to set all to the kubuntu defaults?
[09:10] <viranch> I am getting this everytime i logout and login (without rebooting): http://imgur.com/Li4sP any ideas?
[09:10] <viranch> that's on kubuntu 11.10
[09:36] <zapper1> my laptop doesn't boot and when i checl the log file there is one line that says "Dazed and confused, but trying to continue"
[09:36] <zapper1> any ideas on what todo to fix it?
[09:37] <naftilos76> Does anybody know why WLM has stoped working with Kopete or Kmess? All of a sudden, i cannot see my contacts on line. Does anybody have a clue?
[09:38] <naftilos76> MSN and kopete do not work. I cannot go on line even if i have internet. I noticed that after upgrading to KDE 4.7.3 it started behaving like that. I erased my account and re-created it in kopete and my contacts are lost while they shouldn't be.
[09:38] <naftilos76> Anybody?
[09:40] <zapper1> naftilos76: i dont know why it happens, but from my experience Kopete tends to fail a lot
[09:40] <zapper1> naftilos76: i suggest you to try a different IM program
[09:41] <naftilos76> zapper1: i used kmess and it says it is connected while it cannot retrieve my contacts
[09:41] <naftilos76> i tried empathy and i get the same results
[09:41] <naftilos76> do you use msn?
[09:41] <moijes12> @zapper1 : I tried googling.Hope this helps : https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=121291
[11:16] <actarus> hello, I have a problem with akonadi, it takes 100% cpu
[11:31] <zapper1> Could somebody take a look at this log http://paste.ubuntu.com/734107/ and tell me what is wrong? My laptop won't boot an this is driving me nuts!!
[11:52] <Peace-> zapper1: reading
[11:56] <Peace-> zapper1: nvidia?
[12:06] <hexacode> anyone know a decent database modeling software for ubuntu? preferrably crows foot
[12:29] <FlashDeluxe> hi @all! i still got the problem that the windows i open on a second screen (plugged into my notebook) are not shown, i see the program on my taskbar and if i right-click on the button and choose keep above others, it appears :( does anybody got any suggestions on it?
[12:34] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:43] <Peace-> BluesKaj: hi
[12:43] <Peace-> BluesKaj: flu :(
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Hi Peace- , bummer , did you get a flu shot ?
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Peace-, we have a a flu immunization program here where are encouraged to go to clinics for a free flu shot to prevent sickness and the spread  and of the disease
[12:50] <BluesKaj> oops . my grammar is a bit off there
[12:55] <Peace-> BluesKaj: oh here there is too but ...  i dont think is so much effective .. i mean i did it for years but then i gotten flu anyway...
[12:55] <Peace-> so i didn't make the injection
[12:55] <szal> flu shots--
[12:57] <BluesKaj> yeah Peace- , I got sick last jan ..more like a bad cold , but i had sore muscles etc , so I'm pretty sure it was flu
[13:00] <BluesKaj>  i'm still trying to figure why alsa doesn't link to web audio without pulse ...it used to work on my nvidia onboard soundcard
[13:01] <BluesKaj> actually it still works with onboard without pulse
[13:04] <BluesKaj> the new pci m-audio card needs pulse for web audio , unfortunately
[13:48] <phunyguy_work> hey folks, is there a KDE equivalent for Gwibber?
[13:48] <Riddell> phunyguy_work: choqok
[13:49] <phunyguy_work> does it support facebook/etc?
[13:49] <Riddell> I'm not sure
[13:51] <phunyguy_work> Hmmm.. it doesn't, but apparently you can update your facebook status via the twitter app.  Not sure how I feel about that.
[13:53] <tzanger> good morning. Is anyone else having trouble with kopete's msn component? it goes online but none of my contacts show online (and I'm not online to them). KDE 4.7.2 from the kubuntu-ppa backports
[13:53] <TheLastProject> tzanger: Microsoft changed the protocol, so kopete can't connect to MSN atm
[13:54] <jussi> !brokenmsn
[13:54] <TheLastProject> Yeah, well, not Pidgin
[13:54] <TheLastProject> Anyway, tzanger, there is a way to get it working with Kopete as well
[13:54] <TheLastProject> Let me grab the post
[13:54] <TheLastProject> tzanger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmsn/+bug/887104/comments/4
[13:55] <tzanger> TheLastProject: thank you, I figured they changed something again but didn't know how to get around it
[13:55] <Delta> damn Rekonq
[13:55] <Delta> it crashes ala minute
[13:55] <TheLastProject> Problem I'm getting now is that Apper is constantly telling me there is a new version of libmsn, but that's a minor downside compared to having MSN work again without having to wait for them to release that update
[13:56] <TheLastProject> (I'm sure that should be fixable, but I don't know how)
[13:58] <tzanger> yeah I know the very basics of debian package management but pinning and holding are just beyond my understanding
[13:59] <TheLastProject> Same for me
[14:02] <Delta> NOOO!!!!!
[14:02] <jtr__> what should i do to make msn work on kubuntu ?
[14:02] <jtr__>  help plz
[14:02] <Delta> jtr__:  go back to windows :(
[14:02] <jtr__> Delta: :(, no other way ???
[14:02] <tzanger> TheLastProject: hm, that fix didn't seem to work for me, I'm bumping the package version and retrying
[14:03] <Delta> I am going back to windows
[14:03] <Delta> :-(
[14:03] <jtr__> Delta: coz there is no other way?
[14:03] <jtr__> any way msn messenger would work in ubuntu ?
[14:06] <tzanger> TheLastProject: hm, kopete doesn't use libpurple does it? There's an old libmsn there too
[14:07] <lethu> jtr__, try wine
[14:07] <lethu> jtr__, altho I would rather advise using one of the alternative clients
[14:07] <jtr__> lethu: i want to use it for video chat
[14:07] <jtr__> lethu: names ?
[14:08] <jtr__> lethu: pidgin ?
[14:08] <tzanger> damn, even moving libpurple's libmsn out of the way kopete still doesn't work with the fix
[14:08] <Delta> just go back to windows
[14:08] <lethu> jtr__, pidgin, kopete, amsn(this one is the closest you can get to msn and even surpass it),
[14:08] <Delta> nothing works on (K)ubuntu
[14:08] <TheLastProject> tzanger: Sorry, if that doesn't work I don't know =/
[14:09] <tzanger> TheLastProject: np, I appreciate the pointer. it looks like it *should* work now it's a matter of figuring out why it's not :-)
[14:09] <jtr__> lethu: so amsn :)
[14:09] <TheLastProject> Delta: No matter how unfriendly that sounds, I must admit that Kubuntu 11.10 is a disaster compared to, for example, 11.04
[14:09] <lethu> jtr__, it has webcam support
[14:10] <TheLastProject> tzanger: You did restart Kopete after installing, right?
[14:10] <lethu> jtr__, you gotta enable the plugin tho in the plugins menu if it's not already enabled
[14:10] <tzanger> TheLastProject: yes.
[14:10] <jtr__> lethu: okay thats what i need , thanks
[14:10] <tzanger> TheLastProject: I see the problem
[14:10] <lethu> jtr__, yw
[14:10] <tzanger> mv newfile msn/oldfile doesn't work worth a shit
[14:10] <jtr__> lethu: i will get back after i install :)
[14:10] <tzanger> I re-downloaded and diff'd and the mv didn't overwrit
[14:10] <lethu> k
[14:10] <tzanger> overwrite
[14:11] <tzanger> rebuilding after explicitly deleting and copying
[14:11] <tzanger> I've noticed that with ln as well, even with -f
[14:11] <tzanger> must be some idiotic shell option that ubuntu defaults to
[14:12] <tzanger> there we go
[14:12] <tzanger> got msn back, thank you TheLastProject
[14:12] <TheLastProject> Glad you got it fixed, tzanger.
[14:12] <TheLastProject> I just wish they'd just put that package in the repositories already... It's taking them way too long >_>
[14:14] <tzanger> yeah that does seem strange
[14:14] <tzanger> it's not a security update but it's a fairly popular package
[14:15] <TheLastProject> True
[14:15] <tzanger> anyway when it does eventually percolate into the updates my version is still lower than the new one so it should just update and stay working ;-)
[14:15] <TheLastProject> MSN support is so useful to most that it should be considered as important as a security update
[14:15] <TheLastProject> Can't let people wait long for something like that =/
[14:16] <tzanger> I've been weaning myself off of it but there are a few contacts which just won't stop using it
[14:16] <tzanger> hell if I could get them moved over to facebook chat it'd be better than msn
[14:16] <Delta> Rekonq crashes more than 5 times a minute
[14:16] <Delta> :S
[14:16] <Delta> Why do people call Kubutnu/Ubuntu a stable desktop OS?
[14:16] <TheLastProject> I try to have everybody on as much protocols as I can, so one provider can't kill everything for me :P
[14:16] <Delta> I don understand that
[14:16] <tzanger> Delta: don't use it. I used to be in love with konqueror, then they started munging it up so I used Chrome, and havent' looked back since
[14:16] <tzanger> Delta: it's very stable for me, I use it every single day
[14:17] <TheLastProject> Delta: I have no clue. But you really shouldn't use Rekonq, it's terrible. Why won't you use Firefox or Chrome or so?
[14:17] <tzanger> kde 4.7 still has some warts (plasma is a pos that needs to die) but all said it beats the shit out of gnome
[14:17] <yofel> Delta: I haven't had crash rekonq in a week
[14:17] <yofel> *rekonq crash in a week
[14:18] <TheLastProject> Agree, it's better than GNOME (if I want to be treated like an idiot that doesn't know how a PC works I can use Windows as well) but especially the KDE released with Kubuntu 11.10 is too buggy to be ever put out of beta =/
[14:20] <tzanger> I think I'm running 11.04 on this laptop and I'm still on 10.04 for my workstation
[14:20] <tzanger> natty is 11.04 I think
[14:20] <phunyguy_work> TheLastProject: agreed.  It has been buggy since KDE4 made it to ubuntu.
[14:20] <BluesKaj> Delta, is just trolling
[14:20] <phunyguy_work> Delta, rekonq does the same for me
[14:21] <TheLastProject> tzanger: I wouldn't upgrade to 11.10. Taskbar entries asking for attention when they don't need any randomly all day long is SO DAMN ANNOYING
[14:21] <phunyguy_work> I love it, but it crashes too often.
[14:21] <phunyguy_work> TheLastProject: i get that too.
[14:21] <tzanger> TheLastProject: 11.04 does that too on occasion
[14:21] <phunyguy_work> silly stuff.
[14:21] <tzanger> usually kopete and kontact
[14:21] <tzanger> but as I said, plasma-desktop is a pos.
[14:21] <phunyguy_work> Quassel does it for me, as well as other windows at random.
[14:22] <tzanger> all of my KDE gripes can find their way back there, with the exception of kontact, which is its own special pile of excrement.
[14:22] <Delta> BluesKaj: do you think I like to spend my time trolling here?
[14:22] <tzanger> kontact's calendaring is worse than useless
[14:22] <Delta> phunyguy_work just confirmed the problem
[14:22] <Delta> it is UNUSABLE
[14:22] <tzanger> the rest of KDE is working very well though
[14:22] <phunyguy_work> Delta, the benefits FAR outweigh the cost.
[14:22] <phunyguy_work> aka 0.
[14:22] <phunyguy_work> :)
[14:23] <Delta> the rest of KDE is rock solid
[14:23] <Delta> I think rekonq crashes because of Flash
[14:23] <Delta> not sure, just a thought
[14:23] <phunyguy_work> Delta, nope.,
[14:23] <phunyguy_work> rekonq crashes because it is a pain in the rear.  Flash may not even be running.
[14:25] <phunyguy_work> now Chrome is becoming just as bad.  it doesn't crash, but it will sit there saying "Sending request" for like a minute and a half when I want to load a webpage.
[14:25] <phunyguy_work> all my PCs do it.
[14:25] <phunyguy_work> so I installed firefox... Which likes to eat RAM and use 100% CPU from time to time.
[14:25] <phunyguy_work> ....just can't win.. lol.
[14:26] <BluesKaj> rekonq works here , but I dislike sidebars ...any way to make the bookmarks open in horizontal scheme like other browsers
[14:26] <BluesKaj> ?
[14:28] <romeyro> good morning guys
[14:29] <Delta> I an gonna install Firefox and give it a try
[14:29] <Delta> Rekonq is pain in the ass
[14:29] <romeyro> haha
[14:29] <romeyro> i dont  use rekonq
[14:29] <romeyro> i dont like it
[14:31] <romeyro> did anyone using aircrack in kubuntu
[14:32] <phunyguy_work> BluesKaj: 11.10?
[14:32] <romeyro> yes
[14:32] <phunyguy_work> (was asking BluesKaj in regards to rekonq working for him)
[14:33] <romeyro> oh i didnt pay attention
[14:33] <Delta> switched to firerfox
[14:33] <Delta> hope it is better
[14:33] <phunyguy_work> so my other gripe with kubuntu may not be kde related.  Samba transfers are very slow.
[14:33] <kuba_> hi
[14:34] <kuba_> i have problem
[14:34] <kuba_> with GRUB
[14:34] <phunyguy_work> even on 100 meg ethernet, I get 7-8MB/s - should be closer to 10-11...
[14:34] <kuba_> i installed kubundy
[14:34] <kuba_> on w 7
[14:34] <phunyguy_work> kuba_: try not to use enter as punctuation, please....
[14:34] <kuba_> and now i have no menu to choose witch system id like to start
[14:35] <kuba_> i tried to install grub in konsole with many tutorials but it didnt help. What should i do?
[14:36] <romeyro> are you sure you dont have other system or win7 loader after memery test ? or its booting directly to your kubundy
[14:36] <kuba_> i have windws 7
[14:36] <kuba_> but normally after linux instalation
[14:37] <kuba_> i had grub and now i dont
[14:37] <romeyro> did you install win7 after kubundy?
[14:37] <kuba_> no
[14:37] <kuba_> kubuntu*
[14:39] <kuba_> i have even booted Rescatux to fix grub
[14:39] <kuba_> but it failed
[14:40] <kuba_> any ideas?
[14:43] <romeyro> may be you have to re-install grub but can you check your config file and make sure that win7 entry is there
[14:44] <kuba_> i tried to re install grub but it fails
[14:44] <tzanger> phunyguy_work: if all your PCs do it I'd suspect your network.
[14:45] <BluesKaj> !grub | kuba_
[14:45] <phunyguy_work> tzanger: not all of MY pcs are on MY network...  :)
[14:45] <romeyro> kuba_: sudo kate /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[14:45] <phunyguy_work> and ALL of my PCs DONT do it in OTHER browsers.  just Chrome.
[14:45] <phunyguy_work> Chromium*
[14:45] <phunyguy_work> (sorry)
[14:46] <phunyguy_work> rekonq actually hasn't crashed in a while.
[14:46] <phunyguy_work> gonna trial it for a while.
[14:46] <kuba_> kuba@kuba-P35-DS3L:~$ sudo kate /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[14:46] <kuba_> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-kuba" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[14:46] <kuba_> Error: "/tmp/kde-kuba" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[14:46] <kuba_> Error: "/tmp/ksocket-kuba" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[14:46] <kuba_> kdeinit4: Shutting down running client.
[14:46] <kuba_> Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)
[14:46] <kuba_> Error: "/tmp/ksocket-kuba" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[14:46] <kuba_> Error: "/tmp/kde-kuba" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[14:46] <kuba_> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-kuba" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[14:46] <kuba_> kbuildsycoca4 running...
[14:46] <kuba_> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-kuba" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[14:46] <kuba_> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-kuba" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[14:46] <kuba_> Error: "/tmp/kde-kuba" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[14:46] <kuba_> X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3
[14:46] <kuba_>   Major opcode: 20 (X_GetProperty)
[14:46] <Quintasan> !paste | kuba_
[14:46] <kuba_>   Resource id:  0x6a0014d
[14:47] <phunyguy_work> DOH.  There goes rekonq.  spoke too soon.
[14:47] <phunyguy_work> all open windows crashed after closing one of them.  it crashed.
[14:48] <phunyguy_work> i do suspect flash on this one.  It was youtube that I closed.
[14:48] <phunyguy_work> 64 bit plugin...
[14:50] <kuba_> what about that?
[14:51] <romeyro> kuba_: did u try sudo grub-install ? i think you grub is broken or missing some  file
[14:51] <romeyro> kuba_: you should be able to open the file config
[14:52] <phunyguy_work> i sense spam incoming...
[14:53] <kuba_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/734240/
[14:53] <kuba_> what should i do ?
[14:54] <romeyro> kuba_:  do u have only one HD ^
[14:54] <kuba_> yes
[14:55] <romeyro> ok so its should be sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[14:58] <kuba_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/734247/
[15:00] <kuba_> thats all? :)
[15:00] <romeyro> kuba_: i dont know try if its working
[15:01] <romeyro> kuba_:  can you open the config file ^
[15:01] <romeyro> kuba_: sudo kate /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[15:02] <kuba_> sudo kate /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[15:02] <kuba_> sudo kate /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[15:02] <romeyro> kuba_: yes
[15:02] <kuba_> sorrty
[15:02] <kuba_> ;p
[15:02] <kuba_> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-kuba" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[15:02] <kuba_> Error: "/tmp/kde-kuba" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[15:02] <kuba_> only two errors instead of 20 ;p
[15:02] <romeyro> ok its better
[15:03] <romeyro> kuba_: update-grub
[15:03] <romeyro> kuba_: and try again
[15:04] <kuba_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/734257/
[15:04] <kuba_> and it opens windows with c code
[15:06] <romeyro> ok.. try to sudo grub-mkconfig --output= /boot/grub/grub.cfg this command should fix it and generate the default grub setting
[15:07] <kuba_> done what next? :)
[15:07] <phunyguy_work> reboot?
[15:07] <phunyguy_work> make sure it works?
[15:09] <romeyro> open the confile file again, and check if u have all you partition at the end of the file i ll post you what mine looks like give me 20sec
[15:10] <phunyguy_work> hah he left
[15:10] <romeyro> i just saw that lol
[15:10] <phunyguy_work> I'm wondering if the "C Code" that he was talking about is actually the scripting inside grub.cfg
[15:10] <phunyguy_work> which is how it /should/ look.
[15:11] <romeyro> yes but he is supposed to get only 1 line
[15:11] <phunyguy_work> oh?
[15:11] <romeyro> like this Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-romeyro" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[15:11] <phunyguy_work> that is an error opening kate.
[15:11] <romeyro> and the conf file open
[15:11] <phunyguy_work> has nothing to do with grub.
[15:11] <romeyro> yes
[15:11] <phunyguy_work> its because he is using sudo.
[15:11] <romeyro> but check his error
[15:12] <romeyro> http://paste.ubuntu.com/734257/
[15:12] <phunyguy_work> waiting on page to load (silly Chromium)
[15:13] <romeyro> i just wanted to be sure that he had his win7 entry and kubuntu in the file before to reboot but its the same thing, he should try it anyway
[15:13] <phunyguy_work> the error about BadWindow?
[15:13] <phunyguy_work> i see.
[15:13] <kuba_> it doesnt work
[15:13] <phunyguy_work> btw, you shouldn't use sudo to load GUI apps
[15:13] <romeyro> yes i dont know why this error came from
[15:14] <kuba_> i still dont see grub
[15:14] <phunyguy_work> kdesudeo is more appropriate
[15:14] <phunyguy_work> err
[15:14] <phunyguy_work> kdesudo*
[15:15] <kuba_> it looks like grub isnt in mbr
[15:18] <romeyro> kuba_:  try this http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ its should work
[15:20] <kuba_> i use Super Grub2 Disk to get to linux, thats the only way grub shows
[15:21] <kuba_> but i have to boot from cd and i dont want to use cd everytime id like to use linux
[15:21] <romeyro> kuba_: give me more detail. can you see the grub  and only kubuntu appear ?
[15:21] <kuba_> when i boot pc my windows 7 boots, no grub, os choose
[15:22] <kuba_> and
[15:22] <phunyguy_work> yes because you have windows 7's bootloader taking over.
[15:22] <kuba_> when i want to boot linux i have to put Super Grub2 Disk and boot cd
[15:22] <kuba_> but windows 7 was installed before kubuntu
[15:22] <hays> Grub configuration seems quite complex
[15:23] <phunyguy_work> kuba_: was this workign at one time?
[15:23] <phunyguy_work> working*
[15:23] <hays> I am trying to add OS X to grub, and disable this weird autoprobing thing its doing
[15:23] <hays> how do I do this?
[15:23] <hays> I have found /etc/grub.d/ and /etc/defaults/grub
[15:24] <kuba_> no, every single boot was from Super Grub2 Disk, other way it boots W7
[15:24] <phunyguy_work> kuba_: then install grub to the mbr.
[15:25] <kuba_> how?
[15:26] <hays> is there a doc or something on how kubuntu has setup its grub?  I am used to a plain readable grub file and the files in /etc/grub are some kind of complicated magic
[15:26] <phunyguy_work> kuba_: man grub-install
[15:29] <hays> ok, can I chmod a-x 30_probe in /etc/grub.d/ to disable the autoprobe stuff?
[15:29] <kuba_> could you show me good tutorial because every single one that i found doesnt work
[15:29] <hays> and then edit 40_custom to add the line I want?
[15:29] <phunyguy_work> kuba_: unfortunately i don't have one.
[15:29] <romeyro> kuba_: check this http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-grub-2-on-ubuntu-9.04
[15:30] <phunyguy_work> doesn't the kubuntu livecd have a rescue option to install grub, etc?
[15:30] <phunyguy_work> i can't remember offhand.
[15:30] <phunyguy_work> because it sounds like the installer didnt update grub like it should have if it never worked.
[15:31] <romeyro> yes i think so
[15:31] <phunyguy_work> kuba_: how did you install Kubuntu?
[15:31] <hays> anyone?  bueller?
[15:32] <kuba_> i booted livecd from usb
[15:32] <phunyguy_work> hays be patient
[15:32] <kuba_> and cliced install
[15:32] <kuba_> normally
[15:32] <phunyguy_work> ok, boot back into that livecd and see if there is a rescue option, i can't remember offhand.
[15:33] <phunyguy_work> I guess I can load up a VM real quick...
[15:33] <phunyguy_work> whatya know, I have one with Win7 loaded.
[15:34] <romeyro> kuba_: i found this one too http://opensource-sidh.blogspot.com/2011/06/recover-grub-live-ubuntu-cd.html
[15:34] <kuba_> okay ill try this
[15:35] <romeyro> kuba_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[15:36] <phunyguy_work> just for shots and goggles I am going to install Kubuntu alongside this VM.
[15:36] <phunyguy_work> err alongside 7 in this VM
[15:36] <phunyguy_work> I will let you know what I find out if you still need help
[15:36] <kuba_> okay, thanks
[15:37] <hays> phunyguy_work: i am pretty patient
[15:41] <phunyguy_work> hays, thats fine, I can't help you much, I was just saying, be patient, someone will help, just not me.
[15:43]  * BluesKaj is losing patience with trying to configure rekonq
[15:43] <phunyguy_work> BluesKaj: sup?
[15:45] <hays> phunyguy_work: I am used to simpler distros... and by simpler I mean ones that have pains in the butt elsewhere
[15:50] <hays> EvilRoey: hey Roey
[15:50] <BluesKaj> phunyguy_work, I followed the instructions for importing bookmarks as html from ff to reknoq and the import appeared to work , but nothing appears in the bookmarks bar in rekonq ...this what frustrates ppl about kde
[15:51] <BluesKaj> where did the bookmarks actually end up ?
[15:51] <EvilRoey> hey hays!!
[15:52] <phunyguy_work> BluesKaj: we may never know.... lol
[15:53] <phunyguy_work> hmmm, wonder what happened to Kuba_... I installed Kubuntu over Windows 7 just fine, and can select either at boot.
[15:53] <phunyguy_work> sounds like his timeout is set to 0.
[15:53] <phunyguy_work> or it's set to autoload 7 with no choice.
[15:55] <hays> EvilRoey: trying to get Kubuntu up with Hackintosh
[15:57] <EvilRoey> hays:  sounds like a project :)
[16:00] <phunyguy_work> BluesKaj: fantastic, I just realized that when rekonq crashed on me earlier, that is what caused system-wide sound to stop working as a whole.  Only a restart fixed.
[16:01] <phunyguy_work> SO.   brb.
[16:09] <romeyro> anyone is using aircrack on kubuntu ?
[16:14] <vdrandom> ey there. have problems with BCM4313 wireless adapter. both sta packages and bcmwl-kerenel-source are installed, all
[16:15] <vdrandom> unneded modules are disabled. Get stuck at "waiting for authorization".
[16:15] <Exilant> vdrandom: anything in dmesg or /var/log/syslog?
[16:16] <vdrandom> Exilant, nothing
[16:16] <Exilant> mhm
[16:16] <vdrandom> wait a sec
[16:16] <vdrandom> forgot about syslog
 (eth1): device state change: need-auth -> failed (reason 'no-secrets') [60 120 7]
 (eth1): device state change: failed -> disconnected (reason 'none') [120 30 0]
[16:17] <Exilant> i switched to b43 today for my bcm4312, needed some firmware (firmware-installer-something)
[16:17] <Exilant> but your problem almost sounds like some network-manager-issue
[16:17] <phunyguy_work> ok I have another gripe.  I hate the notification icon.
[16:18] <phunyguy_work> ...both of them.
[16:18] <vdrandom> the funny thing is that it worked before I had to reinstall my system today
[16:18] <vdrandom> with bcmwl driver
[16:20] <Exilant> vdrandom: Is the connection to the ap good?
[16:28] <bartman2589> Hi everyone, I'm hoping someone can help me with this wonderful problem I'm having on a nice clean fresh install of natty, when I go to 'manage network connections' using the kde network manager my 'auto eth0' wired connection that normally shows up in other releases/distros does not show up at all.  In fact nothing shows up there, but I am connected to the internet and have even updated my system already, but I need to be
[16:28] <bartman2589> able to configure my network in order to connect to my network shares and do a few other things, but this annoying bug in the kde network manager won't let me do it
[16:29] <bartman2589> I spent the last 4 days trying to get 11.10 installed and working but finally gave up because no matter what I did I couldn't get the f)(*^)(*^(*^(^*% thing to install and boot to desktop
[16:29] <vdrandom> Exilant, yeah, it's fine
[16:30] <vdrandom> less than a meter
[16:30] <bartman2589> so now I'm on 11.04
[16:30] <vdrandom> windows in dualboot has no problems at all, so I guess it's the driver thing
[16:32] <phunyguy_work> hmmm, now rekonq wants to work fine
[16:33] <bartman2589> anyone?
[16:36] <BluesKaj> bartman2589, so did you want to upgrade to 11.10 via the internet route?
[16:37] <BluesKaj> by internet I mean the 11.10 repos
[16:38] <bartman2589> tried that like 4 times already, I'll wait until 12.10 gets released and then do another fresh install since the devs screwed up every install option I've tried for 11.10
[16:38] <bartman2589> for now I just want to get the network manager fixed in 11.04 so I can change my settings
[16:39] <BluesKaj> did you try an upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10 with the do-release-upgrade command, altho I can understand your reluctance :)
[16:39] <bartman2589> yes I did try it
[16:39] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:39] <bartman2589> wouldn't boot after upgrade
[16:40] <bartman2589> so I went back to 11.04 for like the 8th time in the last 4 days
[16:40] <BluesKaj> right , same as previous
[16:41] <bartman2589> like I said now I just want to get 11.04 patched up to work until the devs managed to screw up the next release
[16:41] <bartman2589> manage*
[16:41] <BluesKaj> ok , what kind of internet connection , bartman2589 ?
[16:42] <bartman2589> ADSL, connected via ethernet cable between computer and modem/router combo
[16:42] <bartman2589> internet works fine, I just can't get at any of the settings because the connection isn't listed in the network manager
[16:42] <BluesKaj> what's wrong with the NM ?
[16:44] <BluesKaj> you know that the NM isn't really necessary , the /etc/network/interfaves file actaully does the heavy lifting , NM is just a clunky gui at best IMO
[16:44] <BluesKaj> err interfaces
[16:44] <bartman2589> yeah, but I prefer a gui, why have a gui interface if you're not going to use it
[16:45] <bartman2589> and besides I have absolutely no clue how to manually edit the config file
[16:46] <mr-rich> Ok, my mic make me sound like Alvin the chipmunk ... it's recording approx 3X faster then it should ... any ideas?
[16:46] <BluesKaj> bartman2589, when ir doesn't do waht you need it to do , is when you ger rid of it http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[16:48] <BluesKaj> bartman2589, did you know you can actually remover the network manager and the interfaces file will still run your ethernet connection without a prob
[16:49] <bartman2589> yes, but I want the network manager, and I want it to work the way it's supposed to if at all possible
[16:50] <bartman2589> I'd really rather not have to go through the headaches I went through back on 10.10 where I had to install the gnome network manager because of this very same problem with the kde network manager on 10.10
[16:50] <bartman2589> which occured on more than one computer I might add
[16:51] <BluesKaj> so what's wrong with it , what is it not doing? just wanted to let you know there are other faster and cleaner options than NM
[16:52] <bartman2589> I should see the 'auto eth0' or at least 'eth0' connection listed on the 'Wired' tab, but not a single connection is showing up there, nada, zip, zero
[16:54] <bartman2589> and wicd is not an option either, it lacks some of the configuration options I need
[16:56] <BluesKaj> ok bartman2589 , what config options do you need ?
[16:59] <bartman2589> I use a number of custom DNS server entries, last time I tried wicd I couldn't find any place to enter them, I also want to be able to specify a custom MTU setting, as well as not bind the connection to any specific MAC address
[17:00] <BluesKaj> dns server IPs are best in your router settings usually set manually
[17:02] <BluesKaj> altho i use the resolv.conf file for mine
[17:02] <bartman2589> my router doesn't give me enough room to enter all the ones I use
[17:02] <BluesKaj> why so many
[17:02] <cjae> Hi, How may I get the upgrade distro notification to stop nagging me, besides upgrading. I see there is a check box for update notifications in packagekit, but I do want to be notified for current OS updates.
[17:03] <bartman2589> I had numerous problems connecting to various repos and websites until I added several different ones
[17:03] <BluesKaj> then open /etc/resolv.conf as root and enter them as root , nameserver  ipaddress
[17:04] <BluesKaj> once opened as root just enter the adresses , I repeated myself there
[17:05] <BluesKaj> bartman2589,^
[17:06] <bartman2589> still doesn't fix the nm, like I want to, I know it works for other people so obviously there's just a configuration problem somewhere keeping it from working for me for some reason
[17:14] <BluesKaj> bartman2589, well i can direct you to someone who will inssist that editing the resolv.conf and interfaces files are the best way to make any settings stick , since network manager likes to overwrite to default any changes it can't handle
[17:15] <phunyguy_work> QUASSEL!! stop giving urgent hints to the window manager!!!
[17:15] <phunyguy_work> ><
[17:17] <TheLastProject> phunyguy: That's not Quassel's fault, that's a known KDE bug
[17:17] <bartman2589> nvm then I'll go back to using the gnome network manager I guess, at least THAT works the way it's supposed to
[17:17] <TheLastProject> It happens to a lot of programs, some more than others
[17:17] <phunyguy_work> TheLastProject: I hear ya.
[17:17] <phunyguy_work> still frustrating  :)
[17:17] <TheLastProject> True
[17:18] <BluesKaj> bartman2589, well ,if the gnome NM works then go for it ... I use some gnome apps that have sucky kde equivalents
[17:20] <bartman2589> yeah I do too, just a pain to setup because often times there's theme icon files missing so unless you install every single gtk/gnome theme the gnome nm might not work, almost as annoying as the problems with the kde nm
[17:22] <Delta> how do set Meta+Home to open my file maneger in my home directory?
[17:25] <BluesKaj> but  bartman2589 , the nitty gritty is where the conf files are,  not in a gui , and once one learns what the networking files can do ,,,fighting with nm settings is history
[17:25] <phunyguy_work> Delta - System Settings -> Shortcuts and Gestures
[17:25] <Delta> phunyguy_work: can find it there
[17:25] <phunyguy_work> can't*?
[17:26] <phunyguy_work> funny, I can./
[17:26] <BluesKaj> bartman2589, I recommend you chat with (actionparsnip) in #ubuntu , he's a real expert in this stuff and he can help with nm gui as well if you insist on it
[17:27] <Delta> phunyguy_work: I have to define my own custome shortcut key
[17:27] <Delta> with doplphin as command
[17:27] <phunyguy_work> Delta, and you may do it there.
[17:28] <Delta> is tehre a shortcut key to resize a window to say 50% of the screen of my my first monitor?
[17:28] <phunyguy_work> I'm going to leave that one alone.
[17:28] <phunyguy_work> actually, no I am not, there is a mouse gesture.  Grab the titlebar and push it against the side of the screen, and then release
[17:29] <bartman2589> ok, thanks
[17:29] <Delta> phunyguy_work:  I would like to trigger the action with my keyboard
[17:30] <phunyguy_work> then utilize DBUS
[17:30] <phunyguy_work> in the settings page i suggested
[17:31] <Delta> phunyguy_work: what command should I trigger?
[17:31] <phunyguy_work> should probably consult a manpage or google for that
[17:31] <phunyguy_work> it would be very specific, and I don't know DBUS well enough to help you
[17:46] <lovre> hi all. samba doesnt seem to work for me. It just says "unable to find any workgroups...".. any tips on resolving this?
[17:47] <mr-rich> Ok, my mic make me sound like Alvin the chipmunk ... it's recording approx 3X faster then it should ... any ideas?
[17:47] <szal> the mic doesn't record, some software does
[17:47] <mr-rich> lovre: did you edit any of the config files?
[17:47] <lovre> mr-rich: no, never
[17:47] <lovre> its all default
[17:48] <mr-rich> lovre: well, you need to set up some shares and permissions and stuff before you can find them ...
[17:49] <mr-rich> lovre: Google is your friend ... :)
[17:49] <lovre> mr-rich: on my pc, or on the windows machines?
[17:50] <mr-rich> szal: granted ... but no matter what software I use, it speeds it up ... even in Audicity
[17:50] <lovre> mr-rich: i remember before formating my hdd when i had older kubuntu, it worked out of the box. so i thought it should now
[17:50] <mr-rich> lovre: on the box that has samba on it ... or are you trying to access windoze shares from linux?
[17:51] <lovre> mr-rich: yes
[17:52] <mr-rich> lovre: in Dolphin, click on network ... what do you see?
[17:52] <noaXess> will firefox and thunderbird 8 be available in standard repos for 11.10?
[17:52] <mr-rich> noaXess: eventually, I believe ...
[17:52] <noaXess> mr-rich: so not need to add PPA for Mozilla Team
[17:53] <mr-rich> give it a couple of weeks so the team can package it for an update ...
[17:53] <lovre> mr-rich: Network, Network Services, Samba Shares, Add network folder
[17:53] <noaXess> mr-rich: couple of weeks.. couple of days ;)..
[17:53] <lovre> mr-rich: i then click on Samba shares, and get the error message
[17:53] <mr-rich> noaXess: it will eventually show up as an update ....
[17:54] <noaXess> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable
[17:54] <noaXess> only for 11.04
[17:55] <mr-rich> noaXess: if you wait for a bit, the (k)upuntu team will provide as an update
[17:55] <noaXess> mr-rich: i see/know.. ;).. somtimes i'm not friend of waiting ;).. hehe..
[17:55] <noaXess> so...
[17:56] <lovre> mr-rich: hmm, i dont know what happened, but now i can see the workgroup... :/
[17:57] <BluesKaj> lovre, which network folder option did you choose when you setup the samba share ?
[17:57] <lovre> BluesKaj: i dont know, i didnt setup anything tbh :(
[17:57] <mr-rich> noaXess: me either, but the (k)ubuntu team will package it correctly for your distro. And if I recall other "updates" for FF, you won't see much difference anyway ... :)
[17:58] <noaXess> jep.. i see... and know ;)... :p
[17:58] <noaXess> hehe...
[17:58] <noaXess> i just want to be fater the all WIN machines.
[17:58] <noaXess> faster
[17:59] <mr-rich> I think FF 8 is already available for Windoze ...
[17:59] <BluesKaj> lovre, the smb/samba daemon does auto detect other shares on the network , you have sevsral options depending on what OS you're connecting to.
[18:00] <BluesKaj> after you set it up of course ,but not initially
[18:01] <molekde> yooooo,.... i need to rebuild my kde menu.. it's missing items.... i always forget the command to do this... googling is coming up with nothing.  anyone know?  latest kubuntu/kde
[18:02] <BluesKaj> molekde, right click on the kicker , edit apps
[18:02] <lovre> BluesKaj: how can i set this up?
[18:03] <molekde> but isn't there a way to recan the installed apps?
[18:03] <BluesKaj> ok ,what OSs are on the pcs on your network , lovre
[18:03] <molekde> so i don't have to guess at what i'm missing
[18:03] <lovre> BluesKaj: mine is kubuntu, others are win XP
[18:04] <BluesKaj> lovre, are the folders shared on the XP machines?
[18:04] <molekde> i know there is a command... i've done it before :(
[18:04] <lovre> BluesKaj: some, yes. And i have two questions about this: first, what about printer shares, should they be seen with samba, and other, what about administrator shares, like C$ you can do on windows?
[18:05] <BluesKaj> C$ on windows yes , if you have pw-access
[18:06] <lovre> BluesKaj: im just testing that, but the thing is that on windows machine there is no password set, its left empty. But when i leave pwd empty, access denied. How can i get access when password is blank?
[18:06] <BluesKaj> lovre, been a while since ran XP , but you may need to add yourself as a user
[18:07] <lovre> BluesKaj: i see. That seems reasonable. The blank pwd on the other hand does not :D
[18:08] <molekde> $ kbuildsycoca -incremental
[18:08] <BluesKaj> best to add yourself in admin with pw required , lov`
[18:08] <BluesKaj> lovre,
[18:08] <lovre> BluesKaj: another question out of many: i can only access the winXP machine when firewall on windows is disabled. But thats not really what i want. Can i add exception for this kind of access/discovery?
[18:09] <BluesKaj> lovre, yes , again on the admin page
[18:09] <BluesKaj> for the FW
[18:09] <lovre> BluesKaj: i see. im going to check that.. brb
[18:10] <BluesKaj> it may require the IP
[18:11] <mr-rich> lovre: sometimes restarting the smbd deamon will clear things up ... just did for me ...
[18:12] <lovre> mr-rich: how do i do that, i dont have a command smdb in terminal
[18:13] <lovre> BluesKaj: ok, the blank password doesnt allow remote access by default, so i will definetly have to add my account. Firewall has a simple checkbox for file sharing exception so thats ok
[18:13] <mr-rich> lovre: smbd ... try sudo restart smbd
[18:13] <lovre> mr-rich: unknown job: smdb
[18:14] <lovre> mr-rich: omg
[18:14] <mr-rich> smbd ... smbd not smdb  ...
[18:14] <lovre> mr-rich: i just got that. lol
[18:14] <lovre> mr-rich: stupid
[18:14] <molekde> $ kbuildsycoca4 -incremental  <---- the answer to my question
[18:15] <lovre> nice
[18:17] <BluesKaj> m ol how did you manage to lose apps in the kmenu anyway ?
[18:17] <BluesKaj> molekde,^
[18:18] <molekde> BluesKaj, I didn't, my buddy did... he was running gnome and installed kubuntu-desktop
[18:19] <molekde> and it never created his menu i think because he had nx client installed and the .desktop file was missing a semi colon at the end of the mimetype... so once i ran the command i was able to fix the error in the nx client's .desktpo file, build.... done
[18:20] <BluesKaj> molekde, you could have done apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[18:22] <molekde> BluesKaj, i did
[18:22] <molekde> no effect
[18:22] <molekde> but the solution to rebuild the menu is better anyways since that's all i wanted to do
[18:23] <BluesKaj> odd , it's supposed to restore the .kde  to it's default
[18:25] <phunyguy_work> are there any suggestions for a stock quote ticker plasma widget or anything?
[18:25] <phunyguy_work> found one but it was updated in 2009
[18:27] <genii-around> !info plasma-widget-stockquote
[18:30] <Peace-> genii-around: :P
[18:35] <mr-rich> damn ... a lot of the freenode servers are unreachable ...
[18:55] <phunyguy_work> genii-around: thanks
[18:59] <phunyguy_work> genii-around: yeah, the stocks come up as 0 when I put the codes in.
[18:59] <phunyguy_work> old.
[19:08] <hays> Is the muon software center broken or am I using it wrong?  I can't seem to find emacs by using the search bar
[19:15] <phunyguy_work> hays: yes.
[19:15] <phunyguy_work> :)
[19:17] <genii-around> phunyguy_work: Works here when I put in for instance MSFT
[19:18] <genii-around> ( which seems to be +0.19 atm)
[19:19] <phunyguy_work> yeah I can only get Crude Oil working... is there documentation on the syntax?
[19:25] <gifars> help me
[19:25] <genii-around> !details | gifars
[19:25] <gifars> help
[19:26] <genii-around> phunyguy_work: Nothing I can currently find. Tried CA:RY for Royal Bank of Canada, that didn't work but just RY by itself did for instance
[19:27] <gifars> my nepomuk crash
[19:27] <phunyguy_work> I know it goes to Yahoo, so I used syntax from there, but it still doesnt work.
[19:27] <jmichaelx> lol @ nepomuk crashes
[19:28] <jmichaelx> gifars: i have been having nepomuk crashes too, the last few days
[19:28] <gifars> how i can fix it
[19:28] <jmichaelx> THAT... i do not know
[19:29] <gifars> oh no......
[19:29] <gifars> who can help me...
[19:41] <phunyguy_work> Hmmm, seems as though also rekonq is ignoring my proxy exception list.
[19:41] <phunyguy_work> I proxy my web traffic from work to home, but need to put in legit work stuff as exceptions
[19:42] <Masaniello> i have a problem with sopcast player
[19:43] <Masaniello> when i try to lunch i receive this message:segmentatio fault
[19:43] <Masaniello> i have kubuntu 64bit 11.10
[19:45] <phunyguy_work> how was sopcast player installed?
[19:45] <phunyguy_work> ^ Masaniello
[19:45] <Masaniello> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jason-scheunemann/ppa && sudo apt-get update
[19:45] <Masaniello> sudo apt-get install sopcast-player sp-auth
[19:46] <phunyguy_work> ok, get with "jason-scheunemann", sounds like an issue with the package he created.
[19:46] <Masaniello> is there another way to install it?
[19:48] <phunyguy_work> Masaniello: grab the source, and compile it.
[19:56] <rhino_> is there any way to install shockwave on ubuntu?
[19:58] <EvilResistance> !shockwave | rhino_
[20:13] <quentindu27> salut
[20:14] <romeyro> salut
[20:14] <quentindu27> sa va ?
[20:14] <romeyro> ouai pi toi
[20:14] <quentindu27> boff
[20:16] <quentindu27> comment desinstaller kubuntu
[20:16] <pedahzur> So, Kopete 1.1.2 is not connecting to MSN any more.  I found this bug report: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=262224 but it is for an old version. And I had been connecting to MSN just fine up until recently.
[20:16] <romeyro> comment tu l"as installer ?
[20:16] <phunyguy_work> pedahzur: known issue.
[20:17] <romeyro> sur une partition ou tu l'as installer a partir de windows
[20:17] <pedahzur> phunyguy_work: Is there a more recent/active bug report?
[20:17] <phunyguy_work> beats me
[20:17] <phunyguy_work> all I know is apparently MSN changed something
[20:18] <phunyguy_work> unfortunately it doesn't affect me, I don't use it.
[20:18] <rhino_> ubottu:  I am looking at that page, but I can't figure out how to actually open the file with wine, can you give me a little advice there?
[20:18] <phunyguy_work> hahaha
[20:20] <phunyguy_work> !bot
[20:22] <romeyro> guys i installed apache2 php and mysql but i set it for locahost
[20:23] <romeyro> is there a way that i can change it to a static way without scrapping my wordpress
[20:24] <phunyguy_work> romeyro: set what for localhost?
[20:24] <phunyguy_work> wordpress?
[20:24] <romeyro> i want a use a static ip
[20:24] <phunyguy_work> I'm not following.
[20:24] <quentindu27> sur mon disque j'ai ete ds le dossier ubuntu j'ai fais desinstaller kubuntu mais voilà je lé toujours -__- (  je lais fait sous mon windows )
[20:25] <phunyguy_work> !french | quentindu27
[20:25] <romeyro> quentindu27: il faut que tu retourne dans windows ajout/supression de programme et clic sur desisntaller kubuntu
[20:26] <quentindu27> a oui merci romeyro jy avait pas pensser sinon c ou le chat en french ?
[20:26] <romeyro> yes he wanted to uninstall kubuntu and he doesnt know how to do it because he installed it from windows
[20:26] <pedahzur> Is there an updated version of libmsn0.3 available somewhere. The version in Ubuntu repositories is 4.1, and I was told in #kde I need to upgrade to 4.2 to fix the MSN login issue. Or will I need to compile it myself?
[20:28] <romeyro> phunyguy_work: ok, when i try to open my website from another pc than this one, i can't see the picture and i can't even go at the loggin page
[20:29] <phunyguy_work> so it all depends on what IP apache is listening on.
[20:29] <phunyguy_work> and what wordpress will respond to
[20:29]  * genii-around ponders 127.0.0.1
[20:30]  * phunyguy_work agrees
[20:30]  * EvilResistance agrees as well after reading the backlogs
[20:32] <genii-around> romeyro: The usual way is to use your router to assign an IP by MAC address, then forward port 80 there. Then you point your web browser at the external facing IP of the router
[20:33] <phunyguy_work> genii-around: be careful, that can produce triangle routing
[20:33] <phunyguy_work> and wont work.
[20:34] <romeyro> genii-around: i already set my router and gave a static ip this pc on which i have apache installed
[20:34] <genii-around> romeyro: Did you change /etc/apache2/ports.conf  to that address?
[20:35] <romeyro> genii-around: i didnt
[20:35] <phunyguy_work> request goes to public IP, gets forwarded to private IP of web server, web server sees it as coming from a PC inside the network, and replies to that PC, but the requesting PC was trying to communicate with {public_ip}, not {private_ip} and fails.
[20:35] <phunyguy_work> there is a nice little graphic on the interwebs explaining triangle routing and why it is bad.
[20:36] <romeyro> this is the first time that i set virtual host
[20:36] <genii-around> phunyguy_work: If you are trying to get at it from the lan you would use the internal IP of the router like 192.168.1.1
[20:36] <romeyro> i dont have any idea about how it working
[20:37] <phunyguy_work> genii, yes.
[20:37] <genii-around> Otherwise the router thinks you are getting "martians"
[20:37] <phunyguy_work> but you suggested calling the external IP of his router.
[20:37] <phunyguy_work> from inside his network, that gets hairy.
[20:38] <genii-around> phunyguy_work: Yes, apologies, i should have clarified
[20:38] <romeyro> this is the next step i want to set up get access from internet
[20:38] <phunyguy_work> well teh router doesnt care, genii-around, the server replies to the private IP even though the request came from the routers external IP.  The source IP is from within so thats all it sees.
[20:39] <phunyguy_work> then replies to that address, meanwhile, the PC you requested from doesnt have a connection to the servers private IP, it has requests pending to the public IP.
[20:39] <phunyguy_work> so it farts.
[20:39] <phunyguy_work> then barfs.
[20:41] <phunyguy_work> anyways, romeyro, pastebin your apache config if you don't mind...
[20:41] <phunyguy_work> just remove anything personal
[20:42] <romeyro> the port.conf or apache2.conf
[20:42] <phunyguy_work> what is port.conf?
[20:42] <phunyguy_work> the site?
[20:42] <phunyguy_work> whatever the config is that points to the site in question
[20:43] <phunyguy_work> oooh man my apache skills are a tad rusty so bear with me
[20:44] <genii-around> romeyro: /etc/apache2/ports.conf
[20:44] <romeyro> http://paste.ubuntu.com/734616/
[20:45] <genii-around> romeyro: Thats the apache2.conf
[20:45] <romeyro> yes genii-around
[20:45] <romeyro> here is the port.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/734619/
[20:46] <romeyro> oh i paste twice time
[20:46] <phunyguy_work> haha was wondering about that
[20:46] <romeyro> XD
[20:46] <phunyguy_work> does this work locally on the server?
[20:46] <phunyguy_work> this same config?
[20:47] <romeyro> i am able to go on every page
[20:47] <romeyro> only with my server
[20:47] <phunyguy_work> what doesnt work on the PC?
[20:47] <romeyro> when i try on my laptop i can go to the home page
[20:47] <phunyguy_work> wordpress itself or apache2 as a whole?
[20:47] <phunyguy_work> ahh so it is a wordpress issue.
[20:47] <genii-around> romeyro: Usually you want to change the: Listen 80       to: Listen x.x.x.x:80       where the x's are the lan IP of that box
[20:48] <romeyro> but when i clic on admin login i cant get in
[20:48] <phunyguy_work> yeah thats a wordpress issue
[20:48] <phunyguy_work> you hardset the localhost in there
[20:48] <phunyguy_work> instead see if you can just make it "/"
[20:48] <romeyro> genii-around: oh ok, i edit this file
[20:48] <phunyguy_work> or whatever the path is after the URL
[20:48] <genii-around> Yes, relative URLS would be good
[20:48] <phunyguy_work> romeyro: wait.
[20:48] <phunyguy_work> its a wordpress issue
[20:49] <phunyguy_work> wordpress creates links based on the config, so if you tell it that it only exists on localhost, then it creates links pointing to localhost
[20:49] <romeyro> not really phunyguy_work because the link of the login page is localhost
[20:49] <phunyguy_work> which would be completely incorrect.
[20:49] <romeyro> so my laptop is looking for a localhost on on the client
[20:50] <phunyguy_work> *sigh*
[20:50] <phunyguy_work> romeyro: pay attention to what I am saying
[20:50] <phunyguy_work> localhost is whever the requesting party things it is
[20:50] <phunyguy_work> thinks*
[20:50] <phunyguy_work> wherever*
[20:50] <pedahzur> For the record: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmsn/+bug/887104 Comment number four provides a temporary fix that works.
[20:50] <phunyguy_work> localhost when the laptop sees it, points to the laptop.
[20:51] <phunyguy_work> it's exactly that... the local host...
[20:51] <phunyguy_work> so if you click on a link on the laptop pointing to localhost, the laptop will look for ITSELF.
[20:51] <romeyro> yes exactly
[20:51] <phunyguy_work> NOT the admin page on the server
[20:52] <phunyguy_work> can you pastebin your wordpress config removing database passwords, etc?
[20:52] <romeyro> sure hold on
[20:54] <romeyro> but genii-around, its should be "NameVirtualHost *:80 Listen 192.168.x.x:80" or "NameVirtualHost 192.168.x.x:80 Listen 80" ?
[20:54] <phunyguy_work> romeyro: nevermind the apache configs
[20:54] <phunyguy_work> it is a wordpress issue, please pastebin.
[20:55] <genii-around> romeyro: Probably hold off on editing that until phunyguy_work examines your wordpress configs.  But at any rate.. you would leave the NameVirtualHost line alone, and change the: Listen 80   into: Listen 192.168.x.x:80
[20:56] <genii-around> ( where x.x  is some actual numbers that belong to your machine)
[20:57] <phunyguy_work> I will examine, but also have a look at: http://codex.wordpress.org/Editing_wp-config.php#WordPress_address_.28URL.29
[20:57] <romeyro> genii-around:  ok thanks
[20:57] <phunyguy_work> that discusses how to set WP_SITEURL correctly.
[20:57] <romeyro> phunyguy_work: i m trying to past it on paste.ubuntu.com but its not allow me
[20:58] <phunyguy_work> then try another paste site
[21:00] <romeyro> phunyguy_work: http://pastebin.com/EXhYSDFD
[21:00] <phunyguy_work> here is an example. if your wordpress site is located at http://server/wordpress, you can have it be dynamic with "define('WP_SITEURL', 'http://' . $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'] . '/wordpress');"
[21:00] <Guest66465> hello everyone :> i'm experiencing choppy sound now and again in all sorts of applications in the 64 bit 11.10 (minecraft/java 7, dosbox, a few others), and inevitably when the sound is choppy i'm getting this error message in the console: ALSA lib pcm.c:7316:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occurred ...has anyone else seen this, or know what might be going on?
[21:02] <phunyguy_work> romeyro: sorry, that is the wrong file.  please pastebin wp-settings.php
[21:03] <phunyguy_work> not wp-config.php
[21:03] <romeyro> phunyguy_work: oh sorry my bad
[21:03] <BluesKaj> my bad , ..pls no ghetto talk here
[21:04] <romeyro> phunyguy_work: http://pastebin.com/kCkgy9Nz here is wp-setting.php
[21:06] <romeyro> phunyguy_work: but my wordpress is on the /var/www/ and not /var/www/wordpress
[21:06] <phunyguy_work> hmmm. it's not there either....
[21:06] <phunyguy_work> ok romeyro, I was just giving an example.
[21:08] <phunyguy_work> can you right click on the admin login link, and paste it? you can PM if you want
[21:09] <phunyguy_work> err copy and paste it
[21:10] <phunyguy_work> aah dangit, this value is stored in the database...
[21:10] <romeyro> the file admin.php ?
[21:11] <phunyguy_work> no, the link you click on to get to admin login
[21:11] <phunyguy_work> i want the link.
[21:11] <romeyro> oh ok
[21:11] <phunyguy_work> from the laptop
[21:11] <Guest66465> i've also noticed that the latest version of amarok constantly uses up a high amount of cpu in 11.10 :< but only when it's run on startup, when you run it manually it's fine
[21:12] <phunyguy_work> thanks romeyro, what happens if you type the URL manually, and replace localhost with the server IP?
[21:13] <romeyro> phunyguy_work: unable to connect
[21:14] <phunyguy_work> is it a general 404 error? or?
[21:14] <hays> is pandora broken in linux firefox?
[21:14] <romeyro> phunyguy_work: no, its problem loading page, unable to connect
[21:14] <EvilResistance> hays:  you mean the site?
[21:15] <hays> EvilResistance: sure
[21:15] <phunyguy_work> ok, I can already tell, the only way this is going to get fixed is either fix the entry in the database manually via SQL commands, or dump the database and start over.
[21:15] <hays> EvilResistance: I get one song played and then unresponsive JS
[21:15] <EvilResistance> hays:  sec
[21:15]  * EvilResistance tries to remember his account :P
[21:15] <phunyguy_work> or go into the config page via the server and change it to relative paths
[21:16] <EvilResistance> hays:  works for me
[21:16] <phunyguy_work> replace localhost with / or nothing
[21:16] <EvilResistance> flawlessly
[21:16] <hays> I wonder what the problem here is
[21:16] <hays> fresh install of kubuntu
[21:16] <hays> EvilResistance: so you can sign in
[21:17] <EvilResistance> affirmitive
[21:17] <hays> hm
[21:19] <phunyguy_work> and romeyro, for future reference, any time you set up a web server, no matter what, you should always do all configurations in relation to how an outsider would access it.  For example, web admin consoles, always acces via the interfaces IP address, and not localhost.
[21:20] <romeyro> phunyguy_work:  ok. i think i fixed it can you from ur side plz
[21:20] <romeyro> phunyguy_work:  i can see the pictures now
[21:20] <phunyguy_work> what from my side?
[21:21] <romeyro> phunyguy_work: if you can access to my webserver
[21:21] <phunyguy_work> I would need a URL
[21:21] <hays> EvilResistance: yeah it just straight up doesn't work here
[21:22] <EvilResistance> hays:  11.10?
[21:22] <hays> yeah, that's the latest right?
[21:22] <EvilResistance> mhm
[21:22] <genii-around> romeyro: Please PM the address, the channel is publicly logged
[21:22] <EvilResistance> hays:  i'm still on 11.04 so... :P
[21:23] <phunyguy_work> romeyro: your firewall is getting in the way.
[21:24] <hays> EvilResistance: hrm
[21:25] <hays> EvilResistance: Firefox or Rekonq
[21:26] <EvilResistance> hays:  firefox + sun java 1.6 & plugin
[21:26]  * EvilResistance got in before Oracle stopped producing the linux package
[21:27] <hays> EvilResistance: looks like its openjre here
[21:27] <hays> works in konq though, just not firefox
[21:27] <hays> this is new
[21:29] <genii-around> romeyro: Probably port 80 is not being forwarded to the internal box
[21:30] <hays> EvilResistance: oddly enough I don't even see sun-jre in the package manager list
[21:30] <romeyro> genii-around: yes i did it, phunyguy_work told me the same think too.  service port 80, ip add : my ip add, protocol tcp, service, enable
[21:31] <genii-around> hays: It's been removed now due to Oracle's licensing
[21:32] <hays> ahh
[21:33] <EvilResistance> hays:  it was removed because of Oracle's fscking evilness
[21:33]  * EvilResistance has emailed them complaining
[21:35]  * phunyguy_work bets EvilResistance got no response.
[21:35] <phunyguy_work> :)
[21:36] <EvilResistance> oh i got a response
[21:36] <EvilResistance> they said "Screw Off"
[21:36] <EvilResistance> they subsequently got a legal notification saying that if they don't apologize i'd sue them for harassment
[21:36] <EvilResistance> they then apologized
[21:37] <EvilResistance> interesting how the threat of legal action has decent results ;p
[21:39] <Guest67370> EvilResistance: it is pretty sad that it takes that to get decent results
[21:39] <jmichaelx> EvilResistance: you should publicly post that correspondence
[21:40] <EvilResistance> jmichaelx:  i cant.  my lawyer said not to :P
[21:40] <Guest67370> yea :)
[21:40]  * EvilResistance also doesnt have it anymore as it was with an email address that was subsequently purged :P
[21:40] <Guest67370> oh well, at least you got satisfaction
[21:45] <jaev> hello, someone knows why kopete does not connect to windows live?. the package has problems or my pc is the problem?
[21:46] <rork> jaev: the package has problems
[21:48] <rork> jaev: For the record: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmsn/+bug/887104 Comment number four provides a temporary fix that works.
[21:49] <rork> (just copy pasting someone else's info btw, it seems to be the talk of the day)
[21:49] <jaev> thank Rork
[21:51] <jaev> and thanks ubottu
[22:07] <JAhrends> Hello
[22:08] <Lynoure> hi
[22:09] <JAhrends> I am on a thinkpad that I upgraded from 11.04 to 11.10 and it broke opengl
[22:09] <JAhrends> Where would the best place be to start figuring this out?
[22:19] <JAhrends> Anyone awake?
[22:57] <dank> Hello friends, I have problem with amarok in kubuntu 11.10, I run and never gets graphically, but if in system monitor, is running as a service ... any suggestions? I googled and others have the same problem but with no reply, thanks
[23:24] <phunyguy> wait, EvilResistance I they actually said "Screw off"??
[23:24] <EvilResistance> phunyguy:  not with those words, but close to it
[23:24] <phunyguy> close enough
[23:24] <phunyguy> I would have done the same thing to them
[23:28] <phunyguy> hmmm I have an issue on THIS pc now.  Any time I play video in Dragon player, it is VERY blue.  I go to Video Settings, and drag the "Hue" slider all the way to the left to make it look correct.
[23:46] <phunyguy> Seems to be an issue with Phonon back end and Nvidia
[23:50] <romeyro> oh you are back :P