[00:10] i've set phonon in the "system settings" --> "multimedia" but when unplug/plug the heaphones it chane my satting.. [00:10] *settings [00:12] Will I still receive important security updates for Natty? If so, when will support for Natty cease? [00:17] new2net, natty will be supported 'till October 2012 [00:18] current oneiric April 2013 [00:23] hi there [00:24] i gotta a question [00:24] everytime i try to get unetbootin the repository said my authentification fail [00:25] and i dont know how to get the permission [00:25] i need unetbooting getting install in my pc [00:26] all this from the kpackage kit [00:28] authentification fail, did you use the correc password ? [00:28] where i can put the password [00:29] " sudo apt-get install unetbootin " should work fine [00:30] let me try this way [00:30] from terminal [00:31] after enter, it will ask your pass, and show no typing, this is normal. [00:32] didnt give me the permission too [00:32] i guess my psswrd is all mess up [00:32] is there a generic pswwr__ [00:33] nope, the user who installs Kubuntu, owns root priv. , there is no other password. [00:33] i did [00:33] but i must forget [00:34] got it [00:36] why sometimes i need to use su -a and other times sudo [00:38] iruwka8 [00:39] OerHeks, thank you :) [00:57] hi? [00:57] hi [00:58] Question [00:59] I could not install 11.1 on a AMD Duron 700 [00:59] always stalled during kernel install [00:59] 11.04 went fine [00:59] too old for kernel 3.0? [01:04] ? [01:05] no idea about the amd duron? [01:05] Amd duron ? [01:06] yeah [01:06] wanted to install 11.1 on it, did not work, stalled during kernel installation. [01:06] i have amd phenom II x4 :D [01:06] 11.04 worked perfect! [01:06] hw too old? [01:06] or is kernel 3.0 just no backwards compatible anymore? [01:09] you used ubuntu 8.04 this runing this pc i testing [01:09] no, used 11.04 [01:10] ah, you used 8.04... [01:10] How on earth do I connect to multiple servers using quassel? [01:10] just want to say that I changed lots of PCs to ubuntu when I discovered kubuntu 11.04. I was impressed!!!!! [01:10] used 11.04 more slow [01:10] But now. [01:10] I was a bit shocked by 11.1 [01:11] use pidgin ;-) [01:11] I am not very pleased with 11.1 [01:12] lol, looks like one has to manually add the server.. [01:12] How can they release a dual architecture without testing and changing the base (debian) correctly? [01:12] kind of lame, oh well [01:12] all this crap with debian package manager getting confused and wants to remove hundreds of packages. [01:13] i not understan you speak me english es bad,xD [01:14] why there is no choice of architecture when installing? [01:15] Buddy2: you can download the X86 or X86_64 cd to begin with... [01:15] on 11.04 I do not miss any packet that must be x32!!! [01:15] I did. [01:15] x86 is 32 bits x86-64 is 64 bits [01:15] you did what? [01:15] but x64 supports dual architecture [01:16] not really [01:16] starting from 11.10 both is supported [01:16] which has not been properly tested with debian package management. [01:16] Buddy2: what's the problem? [01:16] there is a big thread in a bug entry for it. [01:17] packages get displayed double and if you select specific packages it suggests to remove over hundred packages because they will not be needed anymore... [01:20] look at [01:20] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/831768 [01:20] Launchpad bug 831768 in aptitude (Ubuntu Oneiric) "aptitude cannot handle conflicts with multiarch enabled" [High,Triaged] [01:20] Buddy2: This isn't a fix, but have you tried the alt installer. I also doubt it is to do with the CPU but rather a motherboard (try truning off ACPI) or driver (had you turned on the drivers?) problem [01:20] yea [01:20] guess on what ubuntu is based? [01:21] didn't they do proper testing? [01:21] such obvious things like package manager? [01:22] if the underlying package manager can not copy with dual architecture, then why introduce it? [01:22] I do not understand this. [01:22] Buddy2: ubuntu isn't based on aptitude, I'm not even sure if aptitude is on the default install [01:23] though, there is a way to restrict aptitude to a specific architecture. [01:23] but on debian. [01:23] Buddy2: do you understand the complexities of hosting a dual arch system? [01:23] if the debian release is not ready why should ubuntu be? [01:23] that exactly is the question!!!!! [01:24] why the hell go such a complex way and loos stability and users? [01:24] Buddy2: when did multiarch become a supported configuration? You can install ubuntu on your toaster, I don; [01:24] from 11.10 on... [01:24] 't expect them to test it and make sure it works well on it for free though [01:24] Buddy2: that's not the point [01:25] I run it on 2 machines. [01:25] other ones have 11.04. [01:25] I am thinking of reverting it.... [01:25] Buddy2: but you're trying to run a 32-bit processor on 64-bit Ubuntu? [01:25] no [01:26] I have 64 [01:26] the issue with the amd is a different thing... [01:26] look... I've already thrown a helmet at my Captain today... so get to the point [01:27] Rioting_Pacifist: erm, multiarch is enabled by default since 11.10 on amd64 - and required for skype for example [01:27] so it's very much supported [01:27] skype, lol [01:27] aptitude isn't installed by default on desktops though [01:27] ? [01:27] Buddy2: some pople use that (me for example) [01:27] it is [01:28] Buddy2: it is not [01:28] yeah, for business I guess [01:28] since... maverick I think [01:28] should be on server though [01:28] what a mess in privacy... [01:28] anyway, whatever... good luck [01:28] you can disable multiarch in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch [01:29] once it's off aptitude will work fine [01:29] I just wanted to say that this release lost in trust on my side. [01:29] I will again wait at least 3 to 4 month before installing a new release. [01:29] after the release has been released. [01:29] disable... [01:29] hmmm [01:30] will try it, thanks [01:30] why isn't this mentioned in the bug entry? [01:30] or I did not see it. [01:32] it's mentioned in comment #14 [01:32] ah [01:33] ok, interesting. comment #15 thinks same as me. [01:33] but if disabling works why then revert... [01:34] yofel: you see a chance for a Qt update to hit oneiric-updates? or know a PPA that has more current Qt? [01:34] more current as in? [01:34] pfff [01:34] fix is planned for 12.04 [01:34] 4.7.4 [01:35] * szal is getting tired of Konversation crashing out of the blue [01:35] ;-) [01:35] which is due to a Qt bug, according to the Konvi devs [01:35] 4.7.4 is what oneiric has currently [01:35] yofel, what could be the reason that a 11.10 install stalls on a amd duron 700? [01:36] yofel: indeed, hence my question [01:36] 11.04 worked fine! tried it 3 times. [01:36] Buddy2: can't think of a reason offhand... [01:36] stalled during installation and configuration of kernel and modules. [01:36] szal: nothing newer packaged yet anywhere AFAIK [01:36] though not at same positions. [01:38] Before leaving, I just want to say I am very very impressed of the stability of kubuntu 11.04!!!! [01:38] tnx a lot for that effort. [01:39] changed from debian to ubuntu because of this. [01:40] gn all [01:40] tcu === KIAaze is now known as KIAaze_away === vmware is now known as Guest3877 === KIAaze_away is now known as KIAaze === zz_Kalidarn is now known as Kalidarn [02:17] Would anyone be willing to help me get my wireless card working right? [02:20] anyone? [02:20] johnnyrobo: you need to explain the issue first [02:20] johnnyrobo: as well... [02:20] !patience [02:20] Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com/ http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ or http://www.kubuntuforums.net/ while you wait. [02:20] * EvilResistance has other things to do :P [02:20] for WORK [02:21] oh well right on evil resistance [02:21] something I need to see the forums about (though I'm lazy) is the fact that my Asus Eee PC cannot hibernate/sleep [02:24] Which EEE? [02:25] 1215B === vmware is now known as Guest42014 [02:25] Aha. Sorry, don't know much about that one. [02:26] no problem [02:27] I have a Pro/Wireless 2200BG wireless card that keeps dropping my signal every 5 min. I have a Toshiba Satellite A105. I have the most current driver installed for the card. I have tried ajusting the MTU and it does not help. Any helpful hints or suggestions? [02:33] johnnyrobo: I don't know anything about your wireless card but don't forget that it takes two to tango. Check that it isn't an issue with your wireless router. [02:35] Thanks Darth. It is not. My fathers Windows run Computer as well as my cell both work perfectly. === Guest42014 is now known as Billdamn [02:51] salve [02:54] hu! [02:54] hi! [03:12] @johnnyrobo, try changing your wireless channel, when I was using a wireless connection I found that often times moving closer to either end of the channel lineup (say maybe to channel 2 or 8, instead of the normal default of 5 that most wireless adapters use), often helped improve my signal strength while shifting the signal away from other devices that commonly cause interference with wireless connections (cell phones, [03:12] cordless phones and a few other things). [03:15] list [03:38] hello, I need help with amarok... after ejecute never see on grafic mode, but is fine on system monitor.. thank === KIAaze is now known as KIAaze_away === KIAaze_away is now known as KIAaze [04:00] dank: Hello [04:15] for nvidia drivers whats the difference between version current and post release? [04:20] christopher: as I understand it current was what existed when 11.10 was released and post release are what came out after that [05:29] i'd like to file a bug report against ALSA but I don't know what relevant information I need [05:29] or if ALSA is at fault [05:33] whats alsa doing or not doing [05:50] semitones: See phiscribe's question above [05:51] oh, thanks [05:51] It doesn't mute the speakers when I plug in headphones -- sometimes [05:51] also, if I use the keyboard's volume up/down buttons, it unmutes the speakers that I muted in alsamixer [05:55] morning [06:00] well, if it is kubuntu, it might be pulseaudio [06:01] as your sound card plays, is capable of volume changes and the speakers and headphones can mute and unmute, it does not sound like alsa, but the things and programs utilizing alsa [06:01] these kinda problems are notorious [06:02] i thought kubuntu didn't use pulseaudio [06:02] default does [06:02] ah I see. i must be remembering from old days [06:02] and the multimedia keys on your keyboard wouldnt be involved in alsa [06:03] something else is catching that and sending it (incorectly it seems) to alsa as the appropriate command [06:03] the head phone dection though, could be a bug [06:04] its a thorny thing to nail down, i cant offer much help, only compasion in your search for non annoying behaviour in computing [06:06] phiscribe: I had this problem in 11.04 [06:06] turned out to be a kernel problem [06:07] to fix, I had to install a kernel quirk [06:07] but with 11.10, all is working again [06:07] so you might visit #ubuntu-kernel and ask for help [06:08] thanks valorie [06:08] I will [06:08] this is the bug report if anyone is interested: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/888415 [06:08] Launchpad bug 888415 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "Speakers do not mute when headphone jack is in use. Multimedia keys unmute speakers." [Undecided,New] [06:10] it seems to be soundcard specific, if I recall correctly [06:10] the kernel people were endlessly patient and helpful [06:10] valorie: the funny thing is it only started happening after I installed kubuntu-desktop [06:11] or around the same time anyway [06:11] sound in linux is so freakishly complicated [06:11] too true [06:11] fortunately, everyone I know who works on the apps is really cool [06:11] next time, I'm buying a thinkpad or something :p [06:12] the high-end thinkpads are really high-quality [06:13] about the only laptop I've heard about that everyone likes [06:14] i've also heard they're more expensive than comparable macbook pros, so I'll have a hard decision to make if I do end up buying a new laptop in the next few years [06:14] sometimes just deleting the pulseaudio config file fixes many things [06:14] .pulse or something [06:15] hmm, i hope it is that easy :) [06:15] at this point feel like I should wait for a comment on the bug, or from the kernel team [06:15] to see if they want to check something first [06:16] they might ask you to do that first, depending [06:17] !sound [06:17] If you're having problems with sound see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 [06:17] you might want to go through that first [06:22] for me, it seems kubuntu is disregarding phonon (or any other audio-related) settings. i have set what audio devices to use, but i continuously wind up with my webcam mic being set as the default audio device [06:23] jmichaelx in the sound set up, if it lists your webcam mic first, it is default, there is an arrow key to move the device up and down, that is make one prefered over another, if it is not that, i am cluess [06:23] if i unplug the webcam, then plug it back in, things are fine... but that has become really irritating [06:24] phiscribe: like i said above, phonon is set correctly. it is disregarding the phonon settings. others have been reporting the same issue [06:26] also, the webcam mic seems to be clearly recognized by everything as being a webcam mic... it is (to me) ridiculous that a mic would ever be set as the default audio device [06:28] dont have it up (kubunut) atm, maybe add some dummy devices to try and jog the order [06:29] how do I do a distribution upgrade using apt-get, using 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' doesn't work it tells me everything's up to date [06:29] there was a third device, audio from nvidia sound card... it was also grabbing that off and on, making it the default audio. i finally blacklisted that one to simplify things [06:30] bartman2589: you have to edit your scources.list, and point your links to oneiric (providing you are running natty) [06:30] so I'd have to change all references to natty to oneiric then? [06:31] yes [06:31] then I can use 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'? [06:31] dunno why dist-upgrade is borked in 11.04, the gui manager will start the distro upgrade, but dude, back it up, lots of people with spilled milk with dist-upgrade this time around [06:32] you may also have more sources enabled in /etc/apt/source.list.d/ , so you should check there, too [06:32] I've tried like 5 times already with the gui manager, every time it freezes at around 51% that's why I want to do it from the shell prompt [06:32] changing sources to oneiric will make a regular upgrade do what is essetialy a dist-upgrade [06:32] does it give an error? [06:32] nope, just freezed the entier system [06:32] freezes* [06:32] entire* [06:32] bartman2589: what are you running now, Kubuntu 11.04? [06:32] ppa's in your sources could be causing problems, if you have any [06:33] i dist-upgraded 4 kubuntu machines, and had no problems with the upgrade.... besides several very annoying bugs in 11.10 [06:33] yes it is those bugs im refering to, annoying for one is show stopper for another [06:33] yep, on fresh clean updated install of 11.04, no 3rd party repos added or anything, just updated from existing repos [06:33] phiscribe: which bugs are those? [06:34] bartman2589: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NattyUpgrades - have you tried this? if it gives you errors, can you pastebin them? [06:34] replaced /var /var/run locations, dead network managers, dead sound, dead kmail, dead akanodia, (however its spelled) [06:34] the /var location changs can lead to dbus not running [06:34] read the release notes [06:36] yea, i think a lot of people have had issues with that [06:37] kubuntu oneiric is not off to a good start for many people [06:38] flash eating all memory then seg faulting, et4 journaling using high cpu and writing to disk ever 1-5 seconds, cd drives spinnning for no reason, (and usb drives with strage read writes) [06:38] fstab not working, if you like 11.04 id stay awhile, i borked my 11.04 with 11.10 did a clean install [06:39] looks like the 'sudo do-release-upgrade' is working so far, only errors I saw zipped by too fast to read but most appeared to be related to localization (ie. 'translation_en' or something like that). [06:39] do-releaese, wow id fogot that one [06:40] my locales were a mix of en-us en-au en-uk i was also having ibus errors, finlay set the input method to en-us and the rest of the locales i could find and seems ok now [06:40] I'm just glad it seems to be working, got really really tired of wiping the partition and having to start over because the gui upgrade kept borking permissions on several files when it froze [06:42] phiscribe: i also had the locales issue on one machine.... i had forgotten about that. didn't run into it on the other three machines [06:43] ubuntu one seemed to take a hit, just that i read, not experienced [06:43] bad part is that if the devs hadn't changed something in the install scripts (or related files) between 10.10 and 11.10 I would probably just be able to do a clean install of 11.10 straight up. Buuuuttttttt nnnnoooooooo, keeping the install scripts such that they work for everybody like they did on 10.10 would evidently have made too much sense [06:43] i still have a laptop that i haven't upgraded, because i do not want to deal with the ghost icons in the task manager bug [06:43] do-release worked for me, for both my laptop and netbook [06:44] it's downloading packages still for me, going to keep my fingers crossed [06:44] bartman2589 i still and trying to remeber its upstart jobs nowadays [06:45] that laptop is probably going to start using XFCE anyways.... it has a 1.8GHz core duo processor, 2 GB RAM, and it isn't a rare thing at all for it to start swapping.... no other DE is nearly so hard on that laptop's resources [06:45] lost me, I'm not a linux guru by any meaning of the word [06:46] the way dameons and other services starts has been moving from some time out of init.d type to updtart jobs, and it confues the heck out of me so dont feel bad [06:46] I'll agree KDE is hard on resources, that's the price we pay for a 'pretty' desktop environment though [06:46] ah [06:47] and I use KDE because of it's overall similarity to 'That other OS' [06:47] bartman2589: i think the way KDE presently thrashes CPUs is more the result of how buggy kwin is [06:48] not that it's all kwin's fault... it is often mentioned how poorly the Xorg folks communicate with KDE [06:48] 10.10 was working fine for me until a couple weeks ago, I had installed a bunch of stuff and figured it was probably something I did that made it go all wonky, and since 10.10 wasn't a LTS Release I figured it was time for me to move to one [06:48] ive been thinking gentoo just so i can get more control over whats coming and going, though ive never used it, its hard to try to use some of this for business [06:49] is 11.10 LTS? i didnt think it was [06:49] yep, until 2013 [06:49] phiscribe: i installed gentoo on a desktop here at home several months ago, and i have to say that i have yet to experience any serious problems with it at all [06:50] no, 11.10 is NOT LTS [06:50] that slotting thing gives me wood [06:50] slotting thing? [06:50] in portage ablity to have multiple versions of same app installed [06:50] ahhhh, yea [06:51] but generally you do not do that [06:51] ahh... you are saying that you WANT to do that [06:51] ok, maybe not listed as specifically LTS, but it IS supported until 2013 like 10.04 is [06:51] but the time you need to, apt solutions can be rough [06:51] my bad [06:52] 10.04 was last true LTS I guess [06:52] i still have some gentoo details to figure out.... like how to install specific ebuilds from layman repos... [06:52] jmichaelx its just that its a leaning curve, i dnot know if i want to jump into [06:53] phiscribe: i have had to do a fair bit of reading... but the place where i work is full of die-hard gentoo users, so i have had people i could ask when i have run into questions [06:53] I was just kind of happy that they finally fixed the network manager after it being screwed up for like 5 years [06:54] bartman2589: the network manager in KDE? [06:54] gnight guys, happy computing, its almost 2am [06:54] phiscribe: good night [06:54] almost 2am here, too [06:55] yep, all the versions of Kubuntu prior to 11.10 that I had used I couldn't configure my network using the KDE network manager, I had to enable the Gnome network manager and use a script to load it into the KDE systray just so I could change my network settings without having to dig through all the config files to get to the various locations where parts of it are stored [06:56] bartman2589: there was a good while that i also used nm-applet or wicd instead of knetworkmanager... but it seems to me like that was a good while ago [06:57] well it was as recent as 10.10 for me (never really used 11.04) [06:58] i should also mention that on wired machines, i usually ditch network managers and set things up manually [06:59] also with some wireless machines, if they are stationary [06:59] I set manual IP addresses and gateway addresses and DNS server addresses [07:00] I don't use wireless right now even though my ADSL Modem has the capabilities (don't really need to since the modem is in same room as my computers) [07:00] here too, depending on the machine... i work for a small webhosting company, and have DNS set differently on a few machines, for testing [07:01] but I've had enough problems with samba and netbios not working right that I manually assign IP addresses and add them to my hosts file on each machine so it's easier to browse my network [07:02] I have a list of like 20 DNS server addresses I add so I can be relatively sure I can reach any site without too much trouble [07:02] overkill I know, and it probably slows things down a bit but it's ok [07:03] just got sick of 'Page not found' errors just because my ISP's DNS server wasn't able to process a link I clicked on [07:03] that is a long list of DNS servers.... i just use two (from home), my ISP's, and google's public DNS [07:04] you must have a suck*** ISP, if you are having those kinds of DNS problems [07:04] AT&T [07:05] i've never had AT&T [07:05] it's either that or go with Comcast and have damn near everything I download throttled, never mind that if I'm paying for the bandwidth it should be available for me for whatever I want to do with it [07:06] i had comcast up until 2 years ago, and although i hate that company, my internet service was great [07:07] with AT&T I don't have much trouble with bandwidth throttling, only routing problems for the game servers I connect to unfortunately [07:07] i did not notice much of any throttling going on [07:07] often times I get a bottleneck around Houston or Chicago [07:08] seeems to me that bit torrenting did get sluggish, but improved with encryption turned on === jasmine is now known as Guest1298 [07:09] yeah, I force encryption on the full stream and usually it works great, like today when I had to redownload the iso's for 11.04 so I could install 11.04 and then do the release upgrade to 11.10, had both Desktop and Alternative CD iso's downloaded in like 15 minutes [07:09] in this area, comcast offers 15Mb down and 3Mb up for $60/mo.... i get 5 down and 1 up for $55... which is the best i can do where i currently live (very very small town) [07:10] I'm getting 6Mb down and 768Kb up for about $25/month [07:11] that is actually a very good price [07:11] but then I'm in a major suburb of Detroit too [07:11] i wish i had an option like that [07:12] when I was living in LaCrosse Wisconsin I had Charter internet 5Mb down 1Mb up for like $30/month [07:12] i am not a gamer, and do not use p2p very heavily, so i can deal well with some fluctuation.... as long as streaming video works well most of the time [07:12] yea, this internet service i have is extremely overpriced (imo), but i have little choice [07:13] it's either this or dialup [07:13] I'm not a huge gamer, once in a while I play Runes of Magic or Dungeons & Dragons Online, most of the rest of the time I use the bandwidth for Second Life (not technically a game) [07:14] i have not logged into second life in a few years... do you use alinux client? [07:14] a linux* [07:15] yeah, it's called Phoenix, it's based on the old Emerald Viewer code, and the same dev team is making a new viewer based partly on Linden Labs Viewer 2 Official Viewer but adding features from Phoenix and from other viewers [07:15] they have Windows/Mac/Linux versions of both [07:16] but the only one of my systems powerful enough to run SL is the one I'm installing 11.10 on now, so I haven't had my SL fix in a couple days because of the problems I've been having installling 11.10, lol [07:16] yea... i used to log in from time to time, but back then the linux client i was (trying) to use really sucked. locked up very frequently [07:17] I rarely have problems with Phoenix unless say Firefox decides to try to use all my memory, then Phoenix sometimes crashes on me [07:18] does it have fairly steep system reqs? [07:19] for good performance yes, for ok performance not really, I run it on an old Pentium 4 2.8Ghz w/hyperthreading and an nvidia 7600gs agp card with 512mb ram, and 3gb system ram [07:20] i imagine that runs it well enough? [07:20] in most places in SL I can get around 15fps with my video settings cranked up to high [07:20] usually around 25fps on medium [07:21] but I'm also running it windowed not fullscreen, fullscreen you usually get higher fps [07:22] my machines should do alright then (i imagine)... the two PCs i generally use here at my desk both have dual-core atom CPUs... one has nvidia ion2 graphics, the other onboard intel... maybe the intel one would not do so well [07:22] there's some people that run it on netbooks without too much trouble [07:23] intel graphics don't really do so good with it [07:23] but I can run it with my old nvidia MX-4000 PCI videocard, doesn't run very fast or very pretty but it does run [07:23] not too surprised... although i have been surprised how well this nettop with intel video does with playing movies... [07:24] intel usually does a fair job of optimizing their chipsets for things like dvd playback, just not for things like directx or opengl rendering unfortunately [07:25] i am not sure what hulu is doing wrong with their hulu desktop client, but it runs better on my machine with intel video, than on my machine with the nvidia ion2 graphics [07:25] yes, that makes sense [07:26] I actually got better performance in hulu by turning of the Flash hardware acceleration on my main system, fewer lockups and crashes [07:26] generally the ion2 machine plays HD streams (in mplayer) with ease.... flash, not nearly so well [07:26] turning off* [07:27] yea, i could look into that... it's also possible that if i would use their 32 bit plugin , things would go better.... i am still using the 64-bit 'square preview' of 10.3 on this thing... it works better than any other version i have tried [07:28] ah, I don't have any 64 bit capable systems yet, way way way way overdue for an upgrade in that regard [07:29] i have more computers than any single human being should be allowed to own, but most are 64-bit now... minus one core duo laptop, and my dell mini 9 (which i still love, and take with me everywhere) [07:31] looking into a motherboard/processor combo from Microcenter for around $190+tax Phenom II X6 1100T Unlocked Black Edition and admittedly a cheapo motherboard that I'd probably replace a little further down the road [07:31] wow [07:31] well it's 'in store pickup only' and fortunately I have a store only about 5 miles away [07:32] i doubt you would very run into any bottlenecks on that machine (depending on the motherboard) [07:32] kind of like a walkin version of tigerdirect or newegg [07:32] what is the price on the CPU? [07:32] $160 w/free motherboard [07:32] very often* [07:33] or I can get $40 off my choice of another motherboard [07:33] choice of 4 free motherboards though [07:33] not bad.... i bought a 3-core athlon 2 CPU on sale from newegg maybe 6 months ago, and paid around $65 [07:34] that sounds like a decent deal... hopefully you can do some research on the motherboard before you buy one [07:34] I could get a X2 560 for $88 with a free motherboard, but I figure I should spring for a better processor and just swap out the board later on [07:35] yea, that should not be a big deal [07:35] then I can take that free board and build another budget system [07:35] upgrade in steps [07:36] i bought the athlon 2 CPU for an AM2+ motherboard that i took home from work, since they were going to throw it away [07:36] they were getting rid of stuff that was old enough they were not going to ever use [07:37] that's how I got my Compaq D510SFF a few years ago, they were going to throw it away [07:37] well more like almost 5 years ago now I guess [07:38] lol... i work on the campus of a small college.... there is an e-waste recycle bin there, and i have taken home a lot of PCS and laptops from that thing [07:38] palm pilots, one ipod nano [07:38] still it had the sticker with a reg code for XP on it, so all I needed to do was add RAM and a hard drive and I had a fair secondary system for non-graphics intensive things [07:38] must be nice [07:39] i even found a PC remote in there a few weeks ago, in perfect shape, with working batteries,... i cannot comprehend why some of these things get thrown away [07:39] I wish I could get into the local recycle center, they have pallets of laptops and big bins of computers all the time [07:39] granted it can be bought new online for $20 or less, but i had never had one [07:40] yea, it is shocking what people throw away [07:40] I'm sure some of them just need a little minor work like some of the systems I've had in the past where the old capacitors started to leak and just replacing the capacitors fixed it right up for like $3 in parts [07:41] i have a friend, who is a single mother with 3 children, and their home has a nice network with 3 PCs and 2 netbooks... mostly made up of my recycle bin finds [07:41] minus the netbooks.... both of those i purchased used [07:41] I used to go 'junking' with friends of mine back when I lived in LaCrosse, we used to find all sorts of things [07:42] monitors that needed the yoke connections resoldered, keyboards with the plug in end mangled, printers that only needed a good cleaning [07:43] yea... printers.... constantly being thrown away [07:43] i do not even look at hem anymore, though i probably should [07:43] them* [07:44] closest I've come since I moved to michigan is finding an old Gateway with an Athlon 1300 in it, and an Ubuntu 10.04 DVD in the CD Burner lol [07:44] i did my first soldering job on a dead samsung monitor (the one i am using right now) with bad caps just a few months ago [07:44] evidently somebody didn't know that their CD burner wasn't capable of reading DVD's [07:44] i am amazed that it had the ubuntu DVD! [07:45] ahh yea [07:45] had an 80gb and a 40gb hard drive in it too [07:45] and the soundblaster audigy card that I'm using now [07:46]