[00:30] nigelb, there is some new video on FB of my kids - just thought you'd like to see it...enjoy [02:24] akgraner: haha [02:39] nigelb, the whole family will be total geeks before long... [02:39] and yes by the end of this cycle you have my permission to say I told you so when it come to me losing my NTEU status :-( [02:43] yay! [02:57] akgraner: before long? who's left to convert, the pets? [02:57] mhall119++ [04:01] I think you'd enjoy this pleia2: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-wUTOM-U4oBA/TrrjoJVnznI/AAAAAAAAAVo/Fry9_4HWERI/s640/2011%2B-%2B1 [04:01] doctormo-other: aww, usb stick? [04:02] yep! [04:02] nice :) [04:02] Got an install on it ;-) [07:56] good morning [08:09] Hello dholbach [08:09] Morning dholbach! [08:11] hi doctormo-other, hi nigelb [08:37] Aloha [09:03] morning czajkowski! [09:03] BTW, does anyone know who is leading the ubuntu phone efforts ? [09:04] what ubuntu phone efforts? [09:04] jussi: someone on deviant art drew a mockup of what they think it would be nice to have [09:05] Well, Mark said in his keynote ubuntu would come to phones. Therefore I assume there is an effort to make that happen [09:05] on his blog also: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/820 [09:06] fair enough [09:06] its an aspiration [09:32] Good Night All or Morning (Tis 1:32am here) [10:04] quote from amber graner.... "I was a "perfect' angel :-) but as my dad points out - so was Lucifer" :D :D :D [10:06] jussi, can you remind me, what's the procedure to ask for a bugbot in a channel and ask for it to be logged? [10:07] dpm: I think youll find everything in here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots [10:08] basically ask rt for logging, and dont forget to add the channel entry message. ask me for the bot. :) [10:14] jussi, thanks. I cannot find the procedure for requesting a bug bot + logging on those pages. So you're saying I should file an RT? [10:14] dpm: ok, maybe we need to make that clearer. the relevant part for logbot: [10:15] You can ask for ubuntulog to be added to any official Ubuntu by emailing the request to rt@ubuntu.com. If ubuntulog is present in your channel, you must add the following entry message, or a translated version of the message, via ChanServ: [10:15] Welcome to #channel. This channel is publicly logged at irclogs.ubuntu.com. Use of this channel implies acceptance of the terms at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService [10:15] dpm: what is the channel the bot is for ? [10:15] oh, I see it now, sorry [10:16] jussi, #ubuntu-app-devel [10:16] ok, I cant actually add that one, you need to grab jpds - for ubot2 (ubot2 -> Team channels A-L) [10:32] thanks jussi! [11:22] mhall119_, czajkowski he said : "i know it's in there, but it's just a crap". What he is referring to? content, portal itself. it's all my work with kim0; it's 90% of my spare time during 1 year [11:23] salut daker - comment ça va? [11:24] salut dholbach, ça va très mal :/ [11:24] daker, qu'est-ce qui ce passe? :-( [11:26] daker: I think honestly it's just out of context [11:26] dholbach, listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=8sNzrFTDK4o#t=911s [11:26] daker: jcastro_ really isn't one to dismiss peoples work [11:27] daker: dontfroget he's just taken this over so may have some catching up on, maybe ye can talk about some ideas and input [11:28] daker, best talk to jcastro_ about it - I'm convinced he didn't mean to say that you were doing a bad job - not at all [11:29] daker: at teh time he's talking about search [11:29] the fact that you cant find what you want [11:29] "I know it's in there" - I know the content I want is in there [11:29] " but it's crap" - crap that i can't find it [11:30] he's not saying the content itself is crap, but that the engine doesn't find the stuff [11:30] (I think) :D [11:31] dholbach, start from 16:20 [11:31] daker, I'm sure that while it sounded like things were really bad, it's more to say "this is something we can improve" [11:31] daker, everybody in here appreciates the great work you are doing [11:31] dholbach, except jcastro_ [11:32] I'm sure that's not the case [11:32] daker: I don't think that's fair I think you and he should talk, but perhaps the session doesnt translate what he was trying to convey I can't speak for him [11:33] daker: I know I appreciate the work you've done on the loco.u.c and other sites. [11:35] daker: I agree with czajkowski, you should speak with Jorge before going and condemning him for something you "think" he said. [11:35] He is really not the type of person to go around and putting down other peoples work. [11:35] daker: don't start at 16:20, you need the context of the minute or two before that, they're talking about search [11:35] daker, I'm sure we can resolve this [11:35] czajkowski, pangolin ok [11:36] daker: je te promets que jorge n'est pas ce type de personne. [11:39] btw where is kim0 ? [11:43] daker: kim0 left Canonical a few weeks ago. [11:43] jcastro is now the cloud person. [11:44] kim0 is working in a startup in Cairo now [11:44] dholbach: NICE! [11:45] nigelb, i see [11:46] I'm sad he's gone - I need to go and visit him in Cairo :) [13:01] daker: after watching the video, I think it's just an honest misunderstanding [13:01] I definitely second czajkowski, you should just talk to him === mhall119_ is now known as mhall119 [13:20] dholbach, cjohnston, mhall119, I remember you had a similar bug in the LD to https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-portal/+bug/885293, which uses django as well. Do you remember how you solved it? [13:20] Launchpad bug 885293 in ubuntudeveloperportal "Taiwan listed as "Taiwan, Province of China"" [Undecided,Confirmed] [13:23] ahh yes I remember that one [13:35] dpm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/+bug/614236 [13:35] Launchpad bug 614236 in loco-team-portal "Wrong Country Name. (Taiwan)" [High,Fix released] [13:36] dpm, if you use iso-codes, use 'common_name' instead of 'name' [13:36] cool, thanks dholbach! [13:37] that'll fix a couple of other bugs as well [13:39] right, lunch time [13:57] iso-codes :( [14:01] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan,_Province_of_China#Use_in_the_UN_and_other_instances [14:33] dpm, können wir morgen mal telefonieren? mich würde interessieren, wie wir den unterschied zwischen app development und platform development etwas rausarbeiten können :) [14:33] dpm, morgen vormittag vielleicht [14:33] dholbach, klar [14:34] :-) [14:34] dholbach: says a whole bunch of words.. dpm replies with 4 letters.. lol [14:40] ;) [14:44] hey danilos, nice to see you around here :) [14:46] hehe [14:46] Only a rich white man from Africa would name an OS "Ubuntu" and a tool "Juju"...what's next a shell called "Booyahkah"? Lord he'p me! [14:46] (seen on twitter) [14:47] I'm still trying to figure out why the Orchestra metaphor wasn't good [14:47] Ensemble, Chamber, songsheets. [14:47] songbooks [14:48] running the process could be "singing" [14:48] so your servers could be singing off the same shongsheet [14:48] that's a metaphor even accounting can understand. [14:48] dpm, hey-hey [14:49] danilos: Several new chanels on the list these days? :) [14:50] nigelb, a few channels only for the purposes of breaking summit—I like to do my breaking in public :) [14:50] danilos: haha [14:51] I'm currently breaking it :D [14:52] if only he was kidding [14:53] what is FARE-SEARCH_COM ? [14:54] looks like a flight booking thing [14:56] a good site for that is skyscanner.net [15:00] jcastro_: ping [15:01] off today, send me a mail pls [15:01] we had a trello class scheduled. do we need to reschedule? [15:01] czajkowski: I wasnt looking for one, I was wondering who FARE-SEARCH_COM was and why it was here. looks spammy [15:03] ahh ok sorry [15:04] * jussi prods at dholbach [15:10] dpm: ping [15:11] cjohnston, on a call, I'll be back later [15:11] ok [15:51] good morning [16:11] hey jono [16:12] hey dholbach [16:15] afternoon jono hows life in california land [16:17] this is an interesting interview i listened to: http://twit.tv/show/triangulation/30 [16:17] hey czajkowski [16:17] all good thanks! [16:17] trinagulation is a good podcast where leo leport and tom merritt talk to very intersting people [16:18] hi dholbach czajkowski jono , morning all :) [16:18] hey scott-work [16:18] scott-work: hiya [16:19] triangulation interview kevin minkick a while back, which if you know anything about the hacking history you should know this guy, bloody amazing story [16:20] jono: do you have some time free after 1p your time? [16:21] cjohnston, *possibly*, I will be at a conference [16:21] cjohnston, what do you need to discuss [16:21] ok [16:21] summit [16:27] jono: continue/finish the conversations we were having last week about summit development for this cycle [16:27] cjohnston, if this is not urgent, can we talk tomorrow? [16:28] jono: im at work tomorrow so no guarentees.. but its not urgent [16:28] cjohnston, cool, next week is fine too [16:28] I am at home like normal [16:28] thanks, cjohnston [16:28] ok [16:28] np [16:35] hey cjohnston, I'm free for a chat now [16:37] dpm: how translatable is "RSVP" [16:39] cjohnston, not easy to translate, but I think translators would manage to find an equivalent. The only thing to bear in mind is that the equivalent might well be longer than 4 letters, if space is a concern where this string wil be shown [16:40] e.g. in Catalan we'd translate it as "Esperem la vostra resposta" or something along these lines [16:40] Would "Register" be better? [16:41] yes, I think it would, it's easier to understand by translators, as they're probably more familiar with the term "Register" than "RSVP" [16:44] we have the ability to add a comment for translators.. what about doing "RSVP" and telling translators they can translate 'register' [16:45] cjohnston: That's not fair. [16:45] to say that they 'can' translate register? [16:46] To translate into a different word in other languages [16:46] either is valid [16:46] and they have the choice [16:46] I would rather we just use Register. [16:53] ok.. its changed [16:57] * AlanBell wonders if they will translate Register to "répondez s'il vous plaît" in French [16:58] heh [17:06] nigelb: still around? [17:07] jussi: yep [17:07] nigelb: is there a reason ubuntu pads dont have chat? [17:07] jussi: yup, AlanBell ripped it out :) [17:07] yes, because we ripped it out [17:07] why? [17:07] because the UDS rooms use IRC [17:07] it would be confusing to have two places to chat [17:07] and the pads arent intended for non uds work? [17:08] not yet. [17:08] no [17:08] (couldnt it just have been hidden? ) [17:08] it was just hidden [17:08] but I cant unhide it... right? [17:08] jussi: AlanBell and I are working together this cycle for better etherpad experience, probably with etherpad-lite [17:08] Hopefully, we can do somethign thsi time. [17:08] however, you can only have one theme on a pad server of that version because the dynamic theme switching on the URL is hopelessly broken [17:08] ok :) [17:09] anyways. I used it outside of uds. oops. I need a name/title for this survey. any good ones? http://pad.ubuntu.com/rtWQqrjItF [17:09] jussi: just remember the data might get deleted this cycle. [17:09] I wanted to have a general purpose theme and in the iframe URL change to a less featured theme for embedding but that broke horribly [17:10] nigelb: its ok, as long as you dont delete it in the next 24 hours [17:10] jussi: heh [17:10] (and Ill go back to using notes.kde.org) :D [17:11] but anyway. survey title please! [17:11] jussi: pad.ubuntu-uk.org [17:11] nigelb: nah... those untrustable uk peoples :P :P [17:11] jussi: You mean you don't trust Daviey? :D [17:12] nigelb: definately not! o.O [17:12] :P [17:12] jussi: feel free to use my limesurvey instance [17:12] people complain every time a non-free surveymonkey survey goes out [17:12] AlanBell: ooh. is it better than surveymonkey? [17:12] AlanBell: url please? [17:12] But I still need a title... :( [17:13] http://mumble.libertus.co.uk/limesurvey/ [17:13] ge [17:13] bah [17:13] AlanBell: how do I create one ? [17:13] the question 'are you an ubuntu member' might need clarifying [17:14] jussi: sure, one sec, just remembering how to do that [17:14] popey: hrm. Im thinking to remove that, because its going to ubuntu-irc-members. [17:16] so everyone getting it should be an ubuntu member anyway [17:16] you should have an email now [17:17] which email addy did you use? [17:18] oh found it. [17:19] So, what do we think? Ubuntu IRC Survey? or someone got somethign more interesting for a name? [17:20] AlanBell: what do I put in end url? (what is that?) [17:25] jussi: I think it shoudl be on the email or http://mumble.libertus.co.uk/limesurvey/admin [17:26] AlanBell: and call me blind, but how do I add questions..... [17:26] you have to add a survey first [17:27] I need to sort out teatime, back in a bit [17:27] pleia2: has done a survey wtih it [17:27] AlanBell: Ive got the survey added, but I still cant see the question bit :( [17:28] alright my friends - I'll see you tomorrow - have a great rest of your day? [17:28] you first need to create a question group (I don't know what that means, I just created a question group for all the questions) [17:28] g'nite dholbach [17:28] er, and put all the questions in it [17:28] later dholbach [17:28] bye :) [17:28] pleia2: ahhh! [17:31] pleia2: one more quic one, When adding questions, there is a "code". do I need this?/what is it for? [17:31] I don't remember, I just clicked around until things worked [17:31] (and complained at AlanBell in irc) [17:32] hehe, ok thanks [17:42] yeah, I recall that ;) [17:42] I just changed the survey to the sherpa theme which I hacked the css to be a bit ubuntuish [17:43] I might make that a bit more pleasant [17:43] wow that did something odd with the channel names! [17:45] oh no, it was you copying from the pad with the URLs intact :) [17:51] I think LimeSurvey is probably very powerful and comprehensive, but not as easy to use as other tools that do less [18:13] hey AlanBell [18:14] hi [18:20] AlanBell: how do I now populate the email addresses? [18:21] click the token management icon (last one on the survey line, picture of people on it) [18:21] and create a token table [18:22] ahh ok [18:22] and you can import from CSV [18:40] AlanBell: Is there a nice simple way to convert a file with an address per line to csv? [18:45] um, got firstname, lastname, email ? [18:46] no. Lpname, email. [18:46] it wants firstname and lastname of some sort [18:47] bah :( [18:47] if you have lpname a simplish script can get you the rest [18:47] yeah script daniel gave me go lpname and email [18:47] ok, I think I have something similar [18:48] hrm are any of the canonical community team here? [18:49] launchpad has display_name and doesn't separate first and last names [18:50] meh, just import it as lpname, "Ubuntu", email [18:51] so how do I convert to csv? [18:52] put it in openoffice calc and save as csv [18:52] first line is the fieldnames [18:52] firstname lastname email [18:52] and then data below them [19:07] AlanBell: ok, I think Ive got it all done! Just got to check it again and send it out [19:08] Think Ill do it in the morning though. double check it hten. :) [19:10] jussi: so this is just going to members who have declared themselves as IRC users? [19:10] there must be more cloaked members than that I should think [19:11] AlanBell: ubuntu-irc-members team. [19:11] AlanBell: it was made with those who have come through the ircc for membership plus the cloaked users who didnt opt out when we made the group [19:12] ok [19:12] AlanBell: if you have time, please double check that theres nothing other untoward there. Ill be sending it in the morning [19:13] ok, seen where you can edit the email template? [19:14] yep [20:08] jcastro_, I missed the Ubuntu Weeks session b/c I was conducting interviews do you have the link to the blueprint handy? [20:52] akgraner: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-irc-workshops [20:54] pleia2, thanks! [20:54] cool 3 days and 30 minutes sessions I am so there :-) [20:55] :D [21:03] doctormo-other: ping [21:43] hey Jono [21:43] Hey technoviking [21:44] doctormo-sda1: hola [21:44] hey technoviking [21:46] o/ jono [21:47] in london at all over December jono? [21:47] hey AlanBell [21:47] hows things? [21:47] sorting out christmas LoCo party [21:47] AlanBell: I will be. [21:47] at http://www.danslenoir.com [21:47] ooh doctormo-sda1 when? [21:47] hey jono when you get a chance can you look at the screenshot I sent you about Ustream - I am at a loss - was hoping you might have a suggestion... [21:48] AlanBell: Assuming everything goes well with little Violet's passport, around Dec 12th perhaps. [21:48] no hurry mind you - just wanted to mention it to ya [21:48] akgraner, just replied [21:48] It's a bit in the air atm, but I'll certainly be there. [21:48] no idea what is wrong [21:48] k [21:48] thanks [22:07] hello [22:08] alourie: hellp [22:08] alourie: hello [22:09] technoviking: hey... hellping could be my speciality :-) [22:09] :) [22:21] doctormo-other: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1409/detail/ [22:49] ok, it is now official 11/11/11 here. I'm going to sleep. [22:51] jono: I did check into the video streaming thing... Kaltura is Open Source Video Streaming Platform and has modules you can put in for chat... Not sure if you have a server but it might be a good ustream alternative if ads become a issue :D [22:51] Bandwidth would be super intense [22:51] :P [22:51] jono isn't here [22:51] oh [22:51] * bkerensa facepalms [23:26] bkerensa: interesting [23:26] topyli: ? The kaltura? [23:27] bkerensa: yes [23:27] free streaming stuff isn't exactly common [23:27] topyli:Oh its not free.... You have to have a server and install Kaltura Community Edition and add modules [23:27] but it would work just like UStream [23:27] only without ads [23:27] free software anyway :) [23:27] and open source [23:27] yeah [23:27] :D [23:28] * bkerensa knows their CTO [23:28] :P [23:28] * bkerensa was thinking about asking him about the platform some [23:28] servers are something you have to anyway, preferably with other people's money