[00:30] <akgraner> nigelb, there is some new video on FB of my kids  - just thought you'd like to see it...enjoy
[02:24] <nigelb> akgraner: haha
[02:39] <akgraner> nigelb, the whole family will be total geeks before long...
[02:39] <akgraner> and yes by the end of this cycle you have my permission to say I told you so when it come to me losing my NTEU status :-(
[02:43] <nigelb> yay!
[02:57] <mhall119> akgraner: before long?  who's left to convert, the pets?
[02:57] <nigelb> mhall119++
[04:01] <doctormo-other> I think you'd enjoy this pleia2: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-wUTOM-U4oBA/TrrjoJVnznI/AAAAAAAAAVo/Fry9_4HWERI/s640/2011%2B-%2B1
[04:01] <pleia2> doctormo-other: aww, usb stick?
[04:02] <doctormo-other> yep!
[04:02] <pleia2> nice :)
[04:02] <doctormo-other> Got an install on it ;-)
[07:56] <dholbach> good morning
[08:09] <doctormo-other> Hello dholbach
[08:09] <nigelb> Morning dholbach!
[08:11] <dholbach> hi doctormo-other, hi nigelb
[08:37] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:03] <jussi> morning czajkowski!
[09:03] <jussi> BTW, does anyone know who is leading the ubuntu phone efforts ?
[09:04] <popey> what ubuntu phone efforts?
[09:04] <AlanBell> jussi: someone on deviant art drew a mockup of what they think it would be nice to have
[09:05] <jussi> Well, Mark said in his keynote ubuntu would come to phones. Therefore I assume there is an effort to make that happen
[09:05] <jussi> on his blog also: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/820
[09:06] <AlanBell> fair enough
[09:06] <popey> its an aspiration
[09:32] <bkerensa> Good Night All or Morning (Tis 1:32am here)
[10:04] <jussi> quote from amber graner.... "I was a "perfect' angel :-) but as my dad points out - so was Lucifer" :D :D :D
[10:06] <dpm> jussi, can you remind me, what's the procedure to ask for a bugbot in a channel and ask for it to be logged?
[10:07] <jussi> dpm: I think youll find everything in here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[10:08] <jussi> basically ask rt for logging, and dont forget to add the channel entry message. ask me for the bot. :)
[10:14] <dpm> jussi, thanks. I cannot find the procedure for requesting a bug bot + logging on those pages. So you're saying I should file an RT?
[10:14] <jussi> dpm: ok, maybe we need to make that clearer. the relevant part for logbot:
[10:15] <jussi> You can ask for ubuntulog to be added to any official Ubuntu by emailing the request to rt@ubuntu.com. If ubuntulog is present in your channel, you must add the following entry message, or a translated version of the message, via ChanServ:
[10:15] <jussi> Welcome to #channel. This channel is publicly logged at irclogs.ubuntu.com. Use of this channel implies acceptance of the terms at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService
[10:15] <jussi> dpm: what is the channel the bot is for ?
[10:15] <dpm> oh, I see it now, sorry
[10:16] <dpm> jussi, #ubuntu-app-devel
[10:16] <jussi> ok, I cant actually add that one, you need to grab jpds - for ubot2 (ubot2 -> Team channels A-L)
[10:32] <dpm> thanks jussi!
[11:22] <daker> mhall119_, czajkowski he said : "i know it's in there, but it's just a crap". What he is referring to? content, portal itself. it's all my work with kim0; it's 90% of my spare time during 1 year
[11:23] <dholbach> salut daker - comment ça va?
[11:24] <daker> salut dholbach, ça va très mal :/
[11:24] <dholbach> daker, qu'est-ce qui ce passe? :-(
[11:26] <czajkowski> daker: I think honestly it's just out of context
[11:26] <daker> dholbach, listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=8sNzrFTDK4o#t=911s
[11:26] <czajkowski> daker: jcastro_ really isn't one to dismiss peoples work
[11:27] <czajkowski> daker: dontfroget he's just taken this over so may have some catching up on, maybe ye can talk about some ideas and input
[11:28] <dholbach> daker, best talk to jcastro_ about it - I'm convinced he didn't mean to say that you were doing a bad job - not at all
[11:29] <popey> daker: at teh time he's talking about search
[11:29] <popey> the fact that you cant find what you want
[11:29] <popey> "I know it's in there" - I know the content I want is in there
[11:29] <popey> " but it's crap" - crap that i can't find it
[11:30] <popey> he's not saying the content itself is crap, but that the engine doesn't find the stuff
[11:30] <popey> (I think) :D
[11:31] <daker> dholbach, start from 16:20
[11:31] <dholbach> daker, I'm sure that while it sounded like things were really bad, it's more to say "this is something we can improve"
[11:31] <dholbach> daker, everybody in here appreciates the great work you are doing
[11:31] <daker> dholbach, except jcastro_
[11:32] <dholbach> I'm sure that's not the case
[11:32] <czajkowski> daker: I don't think that's fair I think you and he should talk, but perhaps the session doesnt translate what he was trying to convey I can't speak for him
[11:33] <czajkowski> daker: I know I appreciate the work you've done on the loco.u.c and other sites.
[11:35] <pangolin> daker: I agree with czajkowski, you should speak with Jorge before going and condemning him for something you "think" he said.
[11:35] <pangolin> He is really not the type of person to go around and putting down other peoples work.
[11:35] <popey> daker: don't start at 16:20, you need the context of the minute or two before that, they're talking about search
[11:35] <dholbach> daker, I'm sure we can resolve this
[11:35] <daker> czajkowski, pangolin ok
[11:36] <pangolin> daker: je te promets que jorge n'est pas ce type de personne.
[11:39] <daker> btw where is kim0 ?
[11:43] <nigelb> daker: kim0 left Canonical a few weeks ago.
[11:43] <nigelb> jcastro is now the cloud person.
[11:44] <dholbach> kim0 is working in a startup in Cairo now
[11:44] <nigelb> dholbach: NICE!
[11:45] <daker> nigelb, i see
[11:46] <dholbach> I'm sad he's gone - I need to go and visit him in Cairo :)
[13:01] <mhall119_> daker: after watching the video, I think it's just an honest misunderstanding
[13:01] <mhall119_> I definitely second czajkowski, you should just talk to him
[13:20] <dpm> dholbach, cjohnston, mhall119, I remember you had a similar bug in the LD to https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-portal/+bug/885293, which uses django as well. Do you remember how you solved it?
[13:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 885293 in ubuntudeveloperportal "Taiwan listed as "Taiwan, Province of China"" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:23] <czajkowski> ahh yes I remember that one
[13:35] <dholbach> dpm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/+bug/614236
[13:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 614236 in loco-team-portal "Wrong Country Name. (Taiwan)" [High,Fix released]
[13:36] <dholbach> dpm, if you use iso-codes, use 'common_name' instead of 'name'
[13:36] <dpm> cool, thanks dholbach!
[13:37] <dholbach> that'll fix a couple of other bugs as well
[13:39] <dholbach> right, lunch time
[13:57] <mhall119> iso-codes :(
[14:01] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan,_Province_of_China#Use_in_the_UN_and_other_instances
[14:33] <dholbach> dpm, können wir morgen mal telefonieren? mich würde interessieren, wie wir den unterschied zwischen app development und platform development etwas rausarbeiten können :)
[14:33] <dholbach> dpm, morgen vormittag vielleicht
[14:33] <dpm> dholbach, klar
[14:34] <dholbach> :-)
[14:34] <cjohnston> dholbach: says a whole bunch of words.. dpm replies with 4 letters.. lol
[14:40] <dpm> ;)
[14:44] <dpm> hey danilos, nice to see you around here :)
[14:46] <nigelb> hehe
[14:46] <nigelb> Only a rich white man from Africa would name an OS "Ubuntu" and a tool "Juju"...what's next a shell called "Booyahkah"? Lord he'p me!
[14:46] <nigelb> (seen on twitter)
[14:47] <snap-l> I'm still trying to figure out why the Orchestra metaphor wasn't good
[14:47] <snap-l> Ensemble, Chamber, songsheets.
[14:47] <snap-l> songbooks
[14:48] <snap-l> running the process could be "singing"
[14:48] <snap-l> so your servers could be singing off the same shongsheet
[14:48] <snap-l> that's a metaphor even accounting can understand.
[14:48] <danilos> dpm, hey-hey
[14:49] <nigelb> danilos: Several new chanels on the list these days? :)
[14:50] <danilos> nigelb, a few channels only for the purposes of breaking summit—I like to do my breaking in public :)
[14:50] <nigelb> danilos: haha
[14:51] <nigelb> I'm currently breaking it :D
[14:52] <cjohnston> if only he was kidding
[14:53] <popey> what is FARE-SEARCH_COM ?
[14:54] <popey> looks like a flight booking thing
[14:56] <czajkowski> a good site for that is skyscanner.net
[15:00] <cjohnston> jcastro_: ping
[15:01] <jcastro_> off today, send me a mail pls
[15:01] <cjohnston> we had a trello class scheduled. do we need to reschedule?
[15:01] <popey> czajkowski: I wasnt looking for one, I was wondering who FARE-SEARCH_COM was and why it was here. looks spammy
[15:03] <czajkowski> ahh ok sorry
[15:04]  * jussi prods at dholbach
[15:10] <cjohnston> dpm: ping
[15:11] <dpm> cjohnston, on a call, I'll be back later
[15:11] <cjohnston> ok
[15:51] <scott-work> good morning
[16:11] <dholbach> hey jono
[16:12] <jono> hey dholbach
[16:15] <czajkowski> afternoon jono hows life in california land
[16:17] <scott-work> this is an interesting interview i listened to: http://twit.tv/show/triangulation/30
[16:17] <jono> hey czajkowski
[16:17] <jono> all good thanks!
[16:17] <scott-work> trinagulation is a good podcast where leo leport and tom merritt talk to very intersting people
[16:18] <scott-work> hi dholbach czajkowski jono , morning all :)
[16:18] <jono> hey scott-work
[16:18] <czajkowski> scott-work: hiya
[16:19] <scott-work> triangulation interview kevin minkick a while back, which if you know anything about the hacking history you should know this guy, bloody amazing story
[16:20] <cjohnston> jono: do you have some time free after 1p your time?
[16:21] <jono> cjohnston, *possibly*, I will be at a conference
[16:21] <jono> cjohnston, what do you need to discuss
[16:21] <cjohnston> ok
[16:21] <cjohnston> summit
[16:27] <cjohnston> jono: continue/finish the conversations we were having last week about summit development for this cycle
[16:27] <jono> cjohnston, if this is not urgent, can we talk tomorrow?
[16:28] <cjohnston> jono: im at work tomorrow so no guarentees.. but its not urgent
[16:28] <jono> cjohnston, cool, next week is fine too
[16:28] <jono> I am at home like normal
[16:28] <jono> thanks, cjohnston
[16:28] <cjohnston> ok
[16:28] <cjohnston> np
[16:35] <dpm> hey cjohnston, I'm free for a chat now
[16:37] <cjohnston> dpm: how translatable is "RSVP"
[16:39] <dpm> cjohnston, not easy to translate, but I think translators would manage to find an equivalent. The only thing to bear in mind is that the equivalent might well be longer than 4 letters, if space is a concern where this string wil be shown
[16:40] <dpm> e.g. in Catalan we'd translate it as "Esperem la vostra resposta" or something along these lines
[16:40] <cjohnston> Would "Register" be better?
[16:41] <dpm> yes, I think it would, it's easier to understand by translators, as they're probably more familiar with the term "Register" than "RSVP"
[16:44] <cjohnston> we have the ability to add a comment for translators.. what about doing "RSVP" and telling translators they can translate 'register'
[16:45] <nigelb> cjohnston: That's not fair.
[16:45] <cjohnston> to say that they 'can' translate register?
[16:46] <nigelb> To translate into a different word in other languages
[16:46] <cjohnston> either is valid
[16:46] <cjohnston> and they have the choice
[16:46] <nigelb> I would rather we just use Register.
[16:53] <cjohnston> ok.. its changed
[16:57]  * AlanBell wonders if they will translate Register to "répondez s'il vous plaît" in French
[16:58] <nigelb> heh
[17:06] <jussi> nigelb: still around?
[17:07] <nigelb> jussi: yep
[17:07] <jussi> nigelb: is there a reason ubuntu pads dont have chat?
[17:07] <nigelb> jussi: yup, AlanBell ripped it out :)
[17:07] <AlanBell> yes, because we ripped it out
[17:07] <jussi> why?
[17:07] <AlanBell> because the UDS rooms use IRC
[17:07] <AlanBell> it would be confusing to have two places to chat
[17:07] <jussi> and the pads arent intended for non uds work?
[17:08] <nigelb> not yet.
[17:08] <cjohnston> no
[17:08] <jussi> (couldnt it just have been hidden? )
[17:08] <AlanBell> it was just hidden
[17:08] <jussi> but I cant unhide it... right?
[17:08] <nigelb> jussi: AlanBell and I are working together this cycle for better etherpad experience, probably with etherpad-lite
[17:08] <nigelb> Hopefully, we can do somethign thsi time.
[17:08] <AlanBell> however, you can only have one theme on a pad server of that version because the dynamic theme switching on the URL is hopelessly broken
[17:08] <jussi> ok :)
[17:09] <jussi> anyways. I used it outside of uds. oops. I need a name/title for this survey. any good ones?  http://pad.ubuntu.com/rtWQqrjItF
[17:09] <nigelb> jussi: just remember the data might get deleted this cycle.
[17:09] <AlanBell> I wanted to have a general purpose theme and in the iframe URL change to a less featured theme for embedding but that broke horribly
[17:10] <jussi> nigelb: its ok, as long as you dont delete it in the next 24 hours
[17:10] <nigelb> jussi: heh
[17:10] <jussi> (and Ill go back to using notes.kde.org) :D
[17:11] <jussi> but anyway. survey title please!
[17:11] <nigelb> jussi: pad.ubuntu-uk.org
[17:11] <jussi> nigelb: nah... those untrustable uk peoples :P :P
[17:11] <nigelb> jussi: You mean you don't trust Daviey? :D
[17:12] <jussi> nigelb: definately not! o.O
[17:12] <jussi> :P
[17:12] <AlanBell> jussi: feel free to use my limesurvey instance
[17:12] <AlanBell> people complain every time a non-free surveymonkey survey goes out
[17:12] <jussi> AlanBell: ooh. is it better than surveymonkey?
[17:12] <jussi> AlanBell: url please?
[17:12] <jussi> But I still need a title... :(
[17:13] <AlanBell> http://mumble.libertus.co.uk/limesurvey/
[17:13] <popey> ge
[17:13] <popey> bah
[17:13] <jussi> AlanBell: how do I create one ?
[17:13] <popey> the question 'are you an ubuntu member' might need clarifying
[17:14] <AlanBell> jussi: sure, one sec, just remembering how to do that
[17:14] <jussi> popey: hrm. Im thinking to remove that, because its going to ubuntu-irc-members.
[17:16] <jussi> so everyone getting it should be an ubuntu member anyway
[17:16] <AlanBell> you should have an email now
[17:17] <jussi> which email addy did you use?
[17:18] <jussi> oh found it.
[17:19] <jussi> So, what do we think? Ubuntu IRC Survey?  or someone got somethign more interesting for a name?
[17:20] <jussi> AlanBell: what do I put in end url? (what is that?)
[17:25] <AlanBell> jussi: I think it shoudl be on the email or http://mumble.libertus.co.uk/limesurvey/admin
[17:26] <jussi> AlanBell: and call me blind, but how do I add questions.....
[17:26] <AlanBell> you have to add a survey first
[17:27] <AlanBell> I need to sort out teatime, back in a bit
[17:27] <AlanBell> pleia2: has done a survey wtih it
[17:27] <jussi> AlanBell: Ive got the survey added, but I still cant see the question bit :(
[17:28] <dholbach> alright my friends - I'll see you tomorrow - have a great rest of your day?
[17:28] <pleia2> you first need to create a question group (I don't know what that means, I just created a question group for all the questions)
[17:28] <nigelb> g'nite dholbach
[17:28] <pleia2> er, and put all the questions in it
[17:28] <jussi> later dholbach
[17:28] <dholbach> bye :)
[17:28] <jussi> pleia2: ahhh!
[17:31] <jussi> pleia2: one more quic one, When adding questions, there is a "code". do I need this?/what is it for?
[17:31] <pleia2> I don't remember, I just clicked around until things worked
[17:31] <pleia2> (and complained at AlanBell in irc)
[17:32] <jussi> hehe, ok thanks
[17:42] <AlanBell> yeah, I recall that ;)
[17:42] <AlanBell> I just changed the survey to the sherpa theme which I hacked the css to be a bit ubuntuish
[17:43] <AlanBell> I might make that a bit more pleasant
[17:43] <AlanBell> wow that did something odd with the channel names!
[17:45] <AlanBell> oh no, it was you copying from the pad with the URLs intact :)
[17:51] <AlanBell> I think LimeSurvey is probably very powerful and comprehensive, but not as easy to use as other tools that do less
[18:13] <cprofitt> hey AlanBell
[18:14] <AlanBell> hi
[18:20] <jussi> AlanBell: how do I now populate the email addresses?
[18:21] <AlanBell> click the token management icon (last one on the survey line, picture of people on it)
[18:21] <AlanBell> and create a token table
[18:22] <jussi> ahh ok
[18:22] <AlanBell> and you can import from CSV
[18:40] <jussi> AlanBell: Is there a nice simple way to convert a file with an address per line to csv?
[18:45] <AlanBell> um, got firstname, lastname, email ?
[18:46] <jussi> no. Lpname, email.
[18:46] <AlanBell> it wants firstname and lastname of some sort
[18:47] <jussi> bah :(
[18:47] <AlanBell> if you have lpname a simplish script can get you the rest
[18:47] <jussi> yeah script daniel gave me go lpname and email
[18:47] <AlanBell> ok, I think I have something similar
[18:48] <jussi> hrm are any of the canonical community team here?
[18:49] <AlanBell> launchpad has display_name and doesn't separate first and last names
[18:50] <AlanBell> meh, just import it as lpname, "Ubuntu", email
[18:51] <jussi> so how do I convert to csv?
[18:52] <AlanBell> put it in openoffice calc and save as csv
[18:52] <AlanBell> first line is the fieldnames
[18:52] <AlanBell> firstname lastname email
[18:52] <AlanBell> and then data below them
[19:07] <jussi> AlanBell: ok, I think Ive got it all done! Just got to check it again and send it out
[19:08] <jussi> Think Ill do it in the morning though. double check it hten. :)
[19:10] <AlanBell> jussi: so this is just going to members who have declared themselves as IRC users?
[19:10] <AlanBell> there must be more cloaked members than that I should think
[19:11] <jussi> AlanBell: ubuntu-irc-members team.
[19:11] <jussi> AlanBell: it was made with those who have come through the ircc for membership plus the cloaked users who didnt opt out when we made the group
[19:12] <AlanBell> ok
[19:12] <jussi> AlanBell: if you have time, please double check that theres nothing other untoward there. Ill be sending it in the morning
[19:13] <AlanBell> ok, seen where you can edit the email template?
[19:14] <jussi> yep
[20:08] <akgraner> jcastro_, I missed the Ubuntu Weeks session b/c I was conducting interviews do you have the link to the blueprint handy?
[20:52] <pleia2> akgraner: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-irc-workshops
[20:54] <akgraner> pleia2, thanks!
[20:54] <akgraner> cool 3 days and 30 minutes sessions I am so there :-)
[20:55] <pleia2> :D
[21:03] <cjohnston> doctormo-other: ping
[21:43] <technoviking> hey Jono
[21:43] <doctormo-sda1> Hey technoviking
[21:44] <technoviking> doctormo-sda1: hola
[21:44] <jono> hey technoviking
[21:46] <AlanBell> o/ jono
[21:47] <AlanBell> in london at all over December jono?
[21:47] <jono> hey AlanBell
[21:47] <jono> hows things?
[21:47] <AlanBell> sorting out christmas LoCo party
[21:47] <doctormo-sda1> AlanBell: I will be.
[21:47] <AlanBell> at http://www.danslenoir.com
[21:47] <AlanBell> ooh doctormo-sda1 when?
[21:47] <akgraner> hey jono  when you get a chance can you look at the screenshot I sent you about Ustream - I am at a loss - was hoping you might have a suggestion...
[21:48] <doctormo-sda1> AlanBell: Assuming everything goes well with little Violet's passport, around Dec 12th perhaps.
[21:48] <akgraner> no hurry mind you  - just wanted to mention it to ya
[21:48] <jono> akgraner, just replied
[21:48] <doctormo-sda1> It's a bit in the air atm, but I'll certainly be there.
[21:48] <jono> no idea what is wrong
[21:48] <akgraner> k
[21:48] <akgraner> thanks
[22:07] <alourie> hello
[22:08] <technoviking> alourie: hellp
[22:08] <technoviking> alourie: hello
[22:09] <alourie> technoviking: hey... hellping could be my speciality :-)
[22:09] <technoviking> :)
[22:21] <AlanBell> doctormo-other: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1409/detail/
[22:49] <alourie> ok, it is now official 11/11/11 here. I'm going to sleep.
[22:51] <bkerensa> jono: I did check into the video streaming thing... Kaltura is Open Source Video Streaming Platform and has modules you can put in for chat... Not sure if you have a server but it might be a good ustream alternative if ads become a issue :D
[22:51] <bkerensa> Bandwidth would be super intense
[22:51] <bkerensa> :P
[22:51] <AlanBell> jono isn't here
[22:51] <bkerensa> oh
[22:51]  * bkerensa facepalms
[23:26] <topyli> bkerensa: interesting
[23:26] <bkerensa> topyli: ? The kaltura?
[23:27] <topyli> bkerensa: yes
[23:27] <topyli> free streaming stuff isn't exactly common
[23:27] <bkerensa> topyli:Oh its not free.... You have to have a server and install Kaltura Community Edition and add modules
[23:27] <bkerensa> but it would work just like UStream
[23:27] <bkerensa> only without ads
[23:27] <topyli> free software anyway :)
[23:27] <bkerensa> and open source
[23:27] <bkerensa> yeah
[23:27] <bkerensa> :D
[23:28]  * bkerensa knows their CTO
[23:28] <bkerensa> :P
[23:28]  * bkerensa was thinking about asking him about the platform some
[23:28] <topyli> servers are something you have to anyway, preferably with other people's money