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pittiGood morning05:19
pittirobert_ancell: hey Robert05:46
robert_ancellpitti, hello05:46
pittirobert_ancell: do you plan a precise lightdm upload soon, so that the SRU can go into -updates?05:46
robert_ancellpitti, oh, is it blocked on that?  Isn't it alrady in updates?05:46
robert_ancelloh, it's in proposed05:46
pittino; one bug verification to go, and missing the fixes in precise05:47
robert_ancellpitti, I'm not running precise just yet, can you smoke test it for me?05:47
pittirobert_ancell: I can; which branch should I build from?05:48
robert_ancellpitti, lp:~ubuntu-desktop/lightdm/ubuntu05:48
pittirobert_ancell: ok, I'll build from that05:49
pittirobert_ancell: hm, that's still the -proposed branch05:49
robert_ancell(i.e. that's the version that's in proposed)05:49
pittisure, I'll build/install/test05:49
pittirobert_ancell: precise lightdm build works fine06:18
robert_ancellpitti, awesome.  Do you want to change the release name in bzr and upload or would you like me to do it?06:18
pittirobert_ancell: can do06:18
pittirobert_ancell: well, not change, just add a new entry and upload with -v06:19
robert_ancellyeah, I thought you'd get it right.  I'd probably mess it up :_06:19
robert_ancell:)06:19
pittiFTR:06:19
pittidch -r "Upload to precise."06:19
pittibzr bd -S -- -v1.0.1-0ubuntu6 -sd06:19
pittirobert_ancell: done06:20
robert_ancellso memorable06:20
robert_ancellthanks06:20
pittiwell, the -sd is optional, but it doesn't need the tar again06:21
didrocksgood morning07:33
pittibonjour didrocks07:33
didrocksguten morgen pitti, how are you?07:34
pittiI'm great, thanks!07:34
pittifighting with python-apt07:34
didrocks(I'm technically on swap today, just waiting to finish some stuff like writing my WI and some SRU)07:35
didrocksfighting? good luck! :)07:35
didrockspitti: thanks for the SRU, I wasn't sure it was acked that you wanted us to copy first in +1, doing now07:54
pittididrocks: not copy,  upload07:55
pittiwe actually want a build against precise's toolchain and libraries07:55
didrockspitti: sure, doing07:55
pittimerci!07:55
didrocksde rien :)07:57
didrockspitti: for gnome-desktop3, should I upload with the same revision?07:59
pittididrocks: yes, please; no idea what went wrong there07:59
didrockspackages are disappearing zomg! :)07:59
didrockspitti: uploaded the old .changes (I still had it), uploading to precise as well now08:00
didrocksargh, compizconfig and compiz got rejected08:01
didrocksas they have the same revision08:01
didrocks(for precise)08:01
didrocksshould I just bump to version.1 ?08:02
pittior version+108:02
pittibetter than using .1 for precise08:02
pittiit's usually used for SRUs and security updates in stables08:02
didrocksso, for instance, I uploaded gnome-desktop3 (3.2.1-0ubuntu1) for oneiric-proposed08:03
didrocksI should upload 3.2.1-0ubuntu2 for precise?08:03
pittiargh, apt and python-apt drive me crazy today :(08:03
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didrockspitti: that doesn't look weird to miss a rev? ^08:04
pittididrocks: please upload with -v to include the ubuntu1 changelog, too08:04
didrockshum… no, I'm not clear I guess08:04
didrocksubuntu1 is the version uploaded in -proposed08:04
pittiright08:05
didrocksnow, I'm uploading the *same* version in precise08:05
didrocksor I just add an ubuntu2 "rebuild for precise"08:05
didrockswith -v…08:05
pittididrocks: I did https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/precise-changes/2011-November/001677.html08:05
pittinormally people are supposed to do it the other way around08:05
pittiupload to precise, then lower the version number and upload to oneiric-proposed08:06
pittiwhich avoids this08:06
pittididrocks: right, that's what I mean08:06
didrockspitti: ok, doing that then, thanks :)08:06
pittimvo: does "test/test-indexes.sh" still work for you in current apt trunk? it's broken for me08:08
pittitoday is weird; I find a python-apt bug, distill it into a test case, which finds another bug; I investigate that, this finds yet another bug08:08
pittiapt is crumbling underneath me :/08:08
* didrocks hugs pitti08:09
pittichecking out trunk, doing "autoreconf", then08:12
pitti$ ./configure08:12
pitticonfigure: error: cannot run /bin/bash buildlib/config.sub08:12
pittiThis is not a good day to debug apt :(08:13
mvopitti: hm, let me check - the version in debian-experimental got a lot of cleanup in the tests, let me see if that already got merged over08:17
pittiah, it seems that test-indexes.sh was removed :(08:18
pittitoo bad, it reproduces one of the errors I found08:18
mvopitti: otherwise, tests/integration/run-tests08:18
pittimvo: ah, I checked out http+urllib://anonscm.debian.org/bzr/apt/debian-sid/08:18
mvopitti: hm, that one should be folded into the integration dir already IIRC08:18
pittiany idea how I get around08:19
pittierror: tag OUTPUT_DIRECTORY: Output directory `../build/doc/doxygen' does not exist and cannot be created08:19
mvopitti: right, the debian version is a bit behind currently, the most recent is debian-experimental, that will land in unstable soon(ish)08:19
pittithat fails the build, and run-tests complains about "build tree first"08:19
mvopitti: meh, try mkdir -p build/doc/doxygen - but it should have done that itself08:19
pittithat helped, but tests still fail; but anyway, I'll drop this for now, it's nto the actual bug I'm trying to solve08:21
didrockspitti: can you reject nautilus 1:3.2.1-0ubuntu3 please? It happens bug #886428 (which isn't worse than the issue it fixes), I'm uploading a fix with other fixes soon08:26
ubot2Launchpad bug 886428 in nautilus "Bug duplicates files icon in GNOME3 and Unity" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88642808:26
pittididrocks: reject from where? it's not in the oneiric queue08:31
didrockspitti: it's not in oneiric-proposed? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus seems to say so and rmadison as well08:31
pittididrocks: oh, that's not "reject", that's "remove"08:32
pittiand I wouldn't like to do that except for very exceptional circumstances08:32
pittijust upload a new one08:32
pittiwith including the previous changelog08:32
didrockssure08:32
didrocksjust telling you as it's almost there for 7 days with a bug verification-done08:32
tkamppeterpitti, hi08:50
pittihey tkamppeter08:54
tkamppeterpitti, I want to ask you whether you can do tests with your Samsung ML-1610.08:54
pittitkamppeter: my wife's machine is on natty; does it need oneiric?08:55
Daviey@pilot in08:55
Davieygah08:55
pittiDaviey: -ECHAN?08:55
pittiDaviey: but good morning!08:55
Davieypitti: good morning!  tab complete fail, please pass the coffee :)08:55
tkamppeterpitti, it is about several USB printing bugs: bug 793244, bug 887094, bug, 872483, bug 564917, bug 883169, bug 87271108:56
ubot2Launchpad bug 793244 in cups "After suspend/hibernate usb printer backend repeatedly crashes" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79324408:56
ubot2Launchpad bug 887094 in cups "usb printer backend crashes" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88709408:56
ubot2Launchpad bug 564917 in cups "Ubuntu 10.04 does not recognize local printer connected via USB/parallel adapter cable" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56491708:56
ubot2Launchpad bug 883169 in system-config-printer "Brother MFC-8840D usb printer not detected" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88316908:56
ubot2Launchpad bug 872711 in linux "Kernel does not report some USB printers correctly, making them not being detected by CUPS" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87271108:56
tkamppeterpitti, it is an Oneiric problem, so move the printer temporarily to your box or update your wive's box (do not let her work on totally obsolete systems).08:58
pittitkamppeter: I'm running precise08:58
pittitkamppeter: but yeah, I need to upgrade her box, doing that over the day08:58
pittibut natty isn't obsolete :)08:58
pittiin fact, I (and she) even prefer natty's unity over oneiric's08:59
tkamppeterpitti, precise is no problem, it is still very close to Oneiric.08:59
tkamppeterpitti, connect the printer and checjk whether it is detected. Check whether the kernel has the fix of bug 872711 (is it new enough?), update to the proposed kernel if needed, check if you can print several jobs. Do they all come out? Does only the first come out? Is the rest garbage or does it not come out at all? Does the usb CUPS backend crash? Hibernate and/or suspend, then print more jobs, does the usb backend crash? Then update C09:02
tkamppeterUPS to the package of my PPA (you have to install the package manually if you are on precise), are any problems solved by that? Does it introduce new problems?09:02
ubot2Launchpad bug 872711 in linux "Kernel does not report some USB printers correctly, making them not being detected by CUPS" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87271109:02
Davieypitti: Would someone on your team be happy to review sync bug 888265, i'd rather not touch webkit myself.  Thanks.09:10
ubot2Launchpad bug 888265 in webkit "Sync webkit 1.6.1-5 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88826509:10
Daviey(removes a ubuntu delta)09:11
pittiDaviey: I'll have a look, thanks09:11
pittioh, it's from jbicha, it's certainly fine :) I'll double-check, though09:11
Davieythanks09:12
pittitkamppeter: upgrade is running09:25
seb128hey09:29
pittibonjour seb12809:30
seb128hey pitti, how are you?09:30
pittiseb128: pretty well, thanks! just finished a four-hour apt/python-apt debug marathon09:31
* pitti hugs mvo for the deciding hints09:31
seb128waouh09:31
seb128you defeated it? ;-)09:31
pittiyes, apport trunk is all happy09:31
pittiunder some conditions the apt sandboxes silently forgot to fetch and unpack some packages09:31
seb128there I just finished a 10 hours sleep against ubuflu marathon :p09:31
seb128great09:32
pittiseb128: feeling any better? did it get worse after your flight?09:32
* mvo hugs pitti back09:32
seb128I'm ok, it didn't really get worse no but got me tired09:32
seb128well ubuflu added with travelling and maybe jetlag09:33
didrockssalut seb12809:35
seb128hey didrocks, ca va ?09:35
didrocksça va, en train de finir quelques trucs :) et toi?09:35
* mvo hugs pitti back09:35
seb128didrocks, ca va, tjs un peu d'ubuflu09:39
seb128hey mvo, how are you? had a nice flight back?09:39
mvoseb128: for some value of nice ;) but I managed to sleep a bit, so the time passed relatively quickly09:41
mvoseb128: and you? recovered from the flu?09:41
seb128mvo, the trip went well, still having some ubuflu but it's not to bad09:41
seb128mvo, well "nice" in the sense of didn't get your passport lost, or missed your connection or got your stuff lost09:42
seb128(random examples inspired from real life cases from this return travel ;-)09:42
mvoseb128: yes, nice in that sense, really uneventful and quick09:43
didrockspitti: new nautilus uploaded in -proposed (already in precise)10:12
pittididrocks: cheers10:12
pittiFAILED: gnome-desktop3 (The source gnome-desktop3 - 3.2.1-0ubuntu1 is already accepted in ubuntu/oneiric and you cannot upload the same version within the same distribution. You have to modify the source version and re-upload.)10:15
pittiWTF10:15
pittididrocks: oh, it's in -updates already10:15
didrockspitti: ah, so it was not so lost! :)10:16
seb128wth?10:17
pittiseb128 needs more coffee :)10:17
seb128pitti, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-desktop3 doesn't list it10:17
pittiand LP too, it didn't auto-close the bug10:17
seb1283.2.0-0ubuntu4.1 updates (main) 3 weeks ago10:17
seb128that doesn't make sense10:17
pittioh, wait10:17
pittiit was deleted from -proposed, but not actually copied to -updates10:17
pittididrocks: can you please reupload as -0ubuntu1.1?10:18
pittididrocks: most likely explanation is that sru-release freaked out due to the broken powerpc build10:18
didrockspitti: sure10:18
pittiwhich we can avoid by having a separate precise upload10:18
pitti(argh)10:18
didrockspitti: should be good now10:21
pittithanks10:21
pittidie, powerpc, die10:21
pittior start working, whichever is easier :)10:23
didrocks:)10:26
didrockspitti: FYI, just finished all the paperwork for my blueprints, set them all the "pending approval"10:26
pittididrocks: yay you10:27
didrocksswap day is useful for SRU/paperwork :)10:28
seb128pitti, btw robert_ancell set the lock screen one directly to approved, was that wanted or an error?10:29
pittiseb128: an error10:29
pittibut I reviewed them, and fixed some syntax issues, should be okay now10:29
seb128pitti, ok10:30
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chrisccoulsonmaaaan, i feel like crap today11:28
chrisccoulsonhello everyone :)11:28
chrisccoulsonnice - http://robert.ocallahan.org/2011/11/end-of-plugins.html !11:32
pittihey chrisccoulson11:32
pittichrisccoulson: ubuflu?11:32
chrisccoulsonpitti - yeah. i'm wondering if i'm starting to come down with a chest infection. my breathing is terrible today11:32
pittichrisccoulson: ugh, get well soon then!11:34
pittitry a hot bath?11:34
chrisccoulsonyeah, i might try that in a bit11:34
seb128hey chrisccoulson11:35
seb128ubuflu :-(11:35
chrisccoulsoni really need to fix bug 888307 first though :(11:35
ubot2Launchpad bug 888307 in firefox "Bundled Firefox extensions disabled on upgrade to 8.0" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88830711:35
chrisccoulsonhi seb12811:35
chrisccoulsonhow are you?11:35
seb128I'm ok, still fighting the cold I got at the end of UDS but it's not too bad11:35
seb128agateau, when you verify a sru fix feel free to change the tag to verification-done12:18
seb128agateau, i.e kde-workspace's fix is still verification-needed12:18
agateauseb128: ok12:20
agateauseb128: done12:22
rickspencer3pitti, hey, someone was asking me about how to get a bug fixed when a goi doesn't work because something was marked to not-introspectable12:24
rickspencer3something in Gtk 312:24
seb128agateau, thanks12:25
rickspencer3specifically bug #88635912:25
ubot2Launchpad bug 886359 in pygobject "Missing feature blocks Python apps from being ported to GTK3. " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88635912:25
rickspencer3any thoughts on how to get that addressed?12:25
didrocksok, time to really enjoy my swap day. Administrative stuff now + train to Paris, see you on Monday!12:26
seb128didrocks, have fun12:26
didrocksmerci, toi aussi seb128 :)12:26
seb128didrocks, see hi to the french loco ;-)12:26
seb128see -> say12:26
didrocksI'll for sure!12:26
seb128rather12:26
seb128thanks, see you next week ;-)12:27
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nessitahello everyone!13:05
rodrigo_hi nessita13:06
seb128hey nessita, how are you?13:06
nessitadoes anyone know if there's a guide about how to package a dependency that has not tarballs released?13:07
seb128nessita, define "a dependency", is that just "something which has no tarball"? or is "dependency" something special?13:07
nessitaI just need to package for Ubuntu the qt4reactor, which is basically a single python script, but the upstream does not release tarball (at least for the moment)13:07
seb128nessita, just do a tarball yourself13:08
nessitaseb128: this is the dependency: https://github.com/ghtdak/qtreactor13:08
nessitaseb128: ok, where do I upload it?13:08
nessitalaunchpad?13:08
seb128nessita, do you use "dependency" as "source" there?13:08
rodrigo_or get a git snapshot?13:08
seb128not sure to understand what it's a dependency of?13:08
seb128nessita, no need to upload it anywhere, well to ubuntu13:08
nessitaseb128: is a dependency of Ubuntu One for all the QT UIs13:08
seb128nessita, just make dist from git13:09
nessitaseb128: forgive my ignorance... make dist even if there is not makefile in the upstream source?13:09
seb128nessita, no, whatever gives you a tarball, it's usually make dist13:10
seb128nessita, just use tar c... if you prefer ;-)13:10
seb128pedro_, hey13:11
nessitaseb128: ok, I undestand that. But I'm not sure about the where to upload the tarball, shall I upload it to the launchpad project that (already) mirror this git project?13:11
pedro_seb128, hi!13:11
seb128nessita, nowhere?13:11
seb128nessita, you don't need to have an "upstream public tarball"13:11
seb128nessita, just build a package and dput it to ubuntu13:11
nessitaseb128: great, understood. On it!13:12
seb128write in the changelog that you made a tarball from upstream git13:12
seb128pedro_, how are you?13:12
seb128pedro_, do you know what team gives nomination for ubuntu series rights?13:12
nessitaseb128: I will, and I will certainly ask you for feedback13:13
seb128nessita, ok ;-)13:13
pedro_seb128, good you? how's that cold going?13:14
pedro_seb128, IIRC that's ubuntu-release now13:14
pedro_it used to be ubuntu-drivers13:14
seb128pedro_, okish, not getting worth but not getting much better either, but well it's not to bad so I will not complain13:14
seb128pedro_, i.e you can't nominate bugs for series?13:14
seb128pedro_, no, it's not ubuntu-release, I'm not in there but I can nominate bugs13:15
seb128let me ask on devel13:15
* pedro_ checking13:15
pedro_its still ubuntu-drivers13:16
pedro_https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/879525/+nominate <-13:16
ubot2Launchpad bug 879525 in rhythmbox "Rhythmbox CD ripping to FLAC broken in Oneiric" [Low,Incomplete]13:16
pedro_seb128,  ^13:16
pedro_"The Ubuntu release manager is Ubuntu Drivers (ubuntu-drivers) (ubuntu-drivers) ."13:16
seb128pedro_, thanks, that seems broken but that reply to my question ;-)13:17
chrisccoulsonlol @ http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6041/6326638850_eea2b4b82c_o.jpg13:17
seb128pedro_, can you nominate bugs?13:17
pedro_seb128, last time i've tried , yes , testing right now13:18
pedro_seb128, yes I can13:18
tkamppeterpitti, ping13:25
pittitkamppeter: pong13:32
pittirickspencer3: back from lunch, looking13:32
tkamppeterpitti, it is about bug 887094, a user experiences crashes in the USB CUPS backend, /usr/lib/cups/backend/usb, which is started by CUPS and now he does not know how to get a stack trace, especially also that the file in the package is /usr/lib/cups/backend-available/usb, hard-linked to /usr/lib/cups/backend/usb by the maintainer scripts.13:34
ubot2Launchpad bug 887094 in cups "usb printer backend crashes" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88709413:34
tkamppeterpitti, do you know how to capture a stack trace here?13:35
pittirickspencer3: replied to the bug; in general, it's best to file a bug about it, and then prod me or someone in #introspection on GNOME IRC13:38
pittitkamppeter: so apport doesn't pick it up because of the hardlink13:38
pittitkamppeter: perhaps you can ask to enable cups debugging, grab the usb backend parameters from the log, and then have him run the command manually from backend-available/ ? This should trigger apport13:39
seb128while I think about it, tomorrow is off in France13:40
seb128so don't worry if I'm not around tomorrow ;-)13:40
pittitkamppeter: you recently added debian/patches/usb-backend-reset-printer-before-printing.patch to cups13:49
pittitkamppeter: this adds "#include <linux/usbdevice_fs.h>" and thus causes debian bug 64766613:49
ubot2Debian bug 647666 in src:cups "cups: FTBFS(!linux): fatal error: linux/usbdevice_fs.h: No such file or directory" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/64766613:49
pittitkamppeter: do we need this for the usb_reset() function?13:50
pittitkamppeter: does upstream perhaps have a better solution for this by any chance, which isn't linux specific?13:50
pitti(Mike won't accept this into trunk, as MacOS is also BSD based)13:50
mdeslaurpitti: is there any way to override priorities in work items?14:01
pittimdeslaur: no, you need to set the BP priority14:13
mdeslaurpitti: ok, I guess we'll have to split out the blueprints then. Thanks!14:13
chrisccoulsoni really need to flesh out my blueprints today. damn you firefox for taking up all my time this week!14:14
tkamppeterpitti, upstream would take the usb_reset patch probably only with conditionals, with the individual USB resets for each OS.14:24
tkamppeterpitti, I am now testing an alternative, more upstream-friendly patch, it also fixes bug 872483, but there seems to be a segfault sometimes occuring in the USB backend and this seems to appear with both patches, perhaps even without any of them, but this would need to be tested.14:26
ubot2Launchpad bug 872483 in cups "laser printer only prints first job correct" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87248314:26
tkamppeterpitti, did you complete your update to Oneiric, so that you can do tests with your printer?14:27
pittitkamppeter: I did; will test soon, currently working knee-deep in something else14:28
mhr3mvo, my synaptic is crashing with: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::out_of_range'14:42
mhr3  what():  vector::_M_range_check14:42
mhr3mvo, anything i can do?14:42
mhr3mvo, seems to be atk-related14:44
mvomhr3: oneiric or precise? what do I have to do to reproduce?14:46
mhr3mvo, run orca :)14:47
mhr3mvo, and yea oneiric14:48
mhr3mvo, also after you setup orca and fix it, let me know how do i disable it ;D14:49
seb128lol14:49
ricotzseb128, hello15:16
ricotzhave you seen something like that yet, this is with a multiarch install of libglib2.0-0 -- http://paste.debian.net/plain/14447515:17
ricotzi guess /usr/share/doc/libglib2.0-0/ChangeLog.pre-2-2.gz gets generated by debhelper15:18
ricotzslangasek, hello ^15:18
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slangasekricotz: are you installing both amd64 and i386 versions of the package, and did you build them from the same version of the source tree?15:43
slangasekricotz: unfortunately if the files are different, dpkg has no way to know which one should win, so it kicks it out and makes you resolve the error15:44
ricotzslangasek, yes, there are both installed and built in a ppa from the same source15:49
ricotzslangasek, is there a way to handle this gracefully15:49
slangasekricotz: if you unpack both packages manually and uncompress the files, are the contents the same?15:50
ricotzsince this file is installed/generated automatically15:50
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slangasekif the contents *are* the same, you're probably hitting a gzip bug: Debian bug #64752215:50
ubot2Debian bug 647522 in gzip "gzip -9n is not deterministic" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/64752215:50
slangasekand there's no graceful way around it, but the hackish way around it is 'rm /usr/share/doc/libglib2.0-0/ChangeLog.pre-2-2.gz && apt-get install libglib2.0-0'.15:51
ricotzslangasek, this is probably it then15:52
ricotzslangasek, just to confirm the content is the same only the gz binary is different15:53
ricotzslangasek, thanks15:54
slangasekricotz: yep.  So the two possible reasons for this are either use of wrong gzip options (you must use gzip -n9 when compressing), or this bug15:54
agateauanyone happens to know which UI or package is responsible for setting the gsettings 'org.gnome.desktop.a11y.applications screen-reader-enabled' key on or off?16:03
agateauah no16:03
agateau'org.gnome.desktop.interface toolkit-accessibility' is the key I am after16:04
seb128agateau, gnome-control-center, gnome-settings-daemon16:05
seb128agateau, gnome-settings-daemon seems to activate it if screen-reader-enabled or screen-keyboard-enabled are true16:05
seb128agateau, which I think have ui options in the gnome-control-center a11y panel16:06
agateauseb128: ahah16:06
agateauseb128: indeed screen-reader-enabled have a ui option16:06
* agateau looks at gnome-settings-daemon16:07
agateauseb128: thanks!16:07
seb128agateau, yw16:07
seb128agateau, you want to look at gnome-settings-daemon/plugins/a11y-settings/gsd-a11y-settings-manager.c16:08
agateauseb128: ok16:08
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chrisccoulsonwho's owning https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-deprecated-libraries ?16:38
chrisccoulsoni was going to add my own firefox related WI's to that16:39
seb128chrisccoulson, nobody, I sort of deprecated it, dropped milestone etc16:39
seb128but feel free to claim it if you want16:39
chrisccoulsonseb128, ah, ok. no worries then :)16:39
chrisccoulsonno, i don't want any more work ;)16:39
seb128it just felt after UDS that we wouldn't have time for that and the "remaining libs" we have are gconf and gtk2 which we will not get ride of for the lts16:40
chrisccoulsonwow, i really don't have that many WI's this cycle16:40
chrisccoulsonprobably a good thing though16:40
seb128yeah16:40
chrisccoulsonthe ones on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-thunderbird-enhancements are all fairly big anyway16:41
chrisccoulsonand i would really like to finish https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-firefox-translations-in-launchpad as well16:42
chrisccoulsonwhich is also quite a lot of work :)16:42
mhr3rodrigo_, ping16:43
rodrigo_mhr3, pong16:43
mhr3rodrigo_, i see you worked on the a11y in unity-panel-service16:44
rodrigo_yes16:44
mhr3rodrigo_, got a question about it16:44
mhr3when are the a11y objects destroyed?16:44
mhr3or who destroys them?16:44
rodrigo_when the program is about to exit, afaik16:44
rodrigo_they are all children of the root object, iirc16:44
mhr3hmmm16:45
rodrigo_so, at program exit, the root object is destroyed, which destroys all childen16:45
mhr3that's interesting16:45
mhr3i thought it's somehow tied to the widgets they descibe16:46
rodrigo_well, although it might be at-spi the one who destroys them, yes16:46
rodrigo_when it doesn't need them16:46
mhr3i guess i'll just add a couple of debug prints :)16:46
rodrigo_I'm not sure about the details, you might want to ask API, who is the guy I helped on that, and he knows a lot about atk, at-spi, etc16:46
rodrigo_mhr3, yeah, or that16:46
mhr3rodrigo_, do you know where can i find him?16:47
rodrigo_mhr3, he used to be in #ayatana when he was working on this, not sure now, so #gnome-hackers in gimpnet16:48
rodrigo_although seems he's not around right no16:48
rodrigo_w16:48
rodrigo_mhr3, oh, he's in #gnome-hispano on gimpnet right now16:48
mhr3rodrigo_, awesome, thx16:49
rodrigo_mhr3, ah, and he's apinheiro on #ayatana16:49
pittigood night everyone!16:56
kenvandinegood night pitti16:58
* kenvandine -> lunch 17:29
mterrykenvandine, one thing gwibber should do is hide its window when I close it.  Seems unresponsive now, but if you hid the window while you do the rest of the cleanup in the background, it would appear to be much faster17:30
achiangtremolux: how can i give an app some stars in USC?17:49
achiangtremolux: oh, i found it. i have to click "write your own review"17:51
achiangtremolux: i was fooled, because i thought i could just click on the displayed stars and rate it that way, kinda like how netflix works17:51
tremoluxachiang: yeah, we currently require that you write a review in order to give it a rating17:54
achiangtremolux: that's a fair design decision for now17:55
achiangtremolux: it was the first time i've used USC actually, and it was quite nice. i'm on a fresh install and wanted to edit an image, and didn't feel like installing gimp (like i normally would have done)17:56
tremoluxachiang: we did talk at UDS about easing that restriction somewhat, in order to encourage more ratings as that will add to the accuracy of the upcoming recommendations feature17:56
achiangtremolux: so i just looked for a highly rated graphics editor, and found pintura, whose description says, "we aim to be simpler than gimp" :)17:57
tremoluxachiang: ah! glad you like it  :)  it's a bit currently as we redesigned the UI last cycle, but we are going to make it fast and fix up remaining rough edges, etc.17:57
tremoluxachiang: ah, cool, I've not heard of pintura, I'll check that out!17:58
tremoluxbit *slow* currently, I meant to say above17:58
achiangapt-get is great when you know what you want, but USC is better if you're looking for an alternative to what you want17:59
* micahg just uses apt-cache search :)18:04
achiangyeah, but i want other guinea pigs to tell me something is good. ;)18:11
tkamppeterpitti, still there?18:28
seb128tkamppeter, he said good night earlier18:29
tkamppeterseb128, OK, thanks.18:29
kenvandinemterry, you mean it takes too long to shutdown?18:34
kenvandineoh.... in oneiric... i haven't SRU'd the "don't Gtk.main_quit when using Gtk.Application" fix yet18:34
mterrykenvandine, yeah.  it stays on the screen forever18:34
kenvandinethat is fixed in the 3.2 branch, just haven't uploaded the SRU18:35
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mfischany ideas on debugging a session crash where I get logged out when doing builds?  Gdk-WARNING: gnome-session: Fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server :0.#01219:22
mfischif it's the OOM killer, I don't see any indication of that in the logs19:22
chrisccoulsonmfisch, that looks like an X crash19:32
mfischchrisccoulson: I was re-running my build and the memory looks fine.  Do you have any pointers on debugging an X crash?19:35
chrisccoulsonmfisch, you could have a look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old after it crashes19:35
chrisccoulsonbut other than that, i'm not too sure :)19:35
mfischI was perusing the Xorg.0.log, not the old one, looking now19:36
mfischchrisccoulson: yep, there it is: [ 14287.138] Segmentation fault at address 0x1d919:36
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