=== james is now known as Guest26243 === dgjones is now known as DJones === jason is now known as jasef === sagaci__ is now known as sagaci === mhall119_ is now known as mhall119 === skfin_ is now known as skfin === skfin is now known as Guest94306 === yofel_ is now known as yofel === skfin_ is now known as skfin === chuck__ is now known as zul [15:03] help === juans is now known as jsolano === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch [16:13] fyi: ARM Team meeting was supposed to be one hour earlier, time change messed things up [16:16] what means eralier ? its 15:00 UTC time didnt change, your country did ;) === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno [17:02] Hello [17:02] Hi pedro_ [17:02] hello! [17:03] ok lets start with the BugSquad Monthly meeting! [17:03] #startmeeting [17:03] Meeting started Thu Nov 10 17:03:17 2011 UTC. The chair is pedro_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [17:03] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [17:04] As always the agenda is available at : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meeting [17:04] lets review the action items from previous meeting [17:04] bdmurray to create spec for UDS P regarding mentorship program: DONE [17:04] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-bugsquad-mentoring [17:04] spec is there ^ [17:04] and you can read the notes from the discussion on the notes section [17:05] we discussed the mentoring program during UDS [17:05] and as you can see there there's a few actions that we need to do [17:06] so first point, the bugsquad-mentorship group alpha is going to be closed [17:07] we haven't seen a lot of work on that team (almost nothing) so we prefer to close it and start doing other tasks in order to grab more contributors [17:07] some ideas that were raised in order to have more people contributing to our team: [17:07] create videos with easy tasks like: how to confirm a bug [17:08] bdmurray, is going to start to create some of those videos but we also need your help [17:08] so please keep tune for the call for help on that subject [17:09] I would be happy to help with "verifying" whether it works for new BugSquad members (being rather new myself) [17:09] other idea that was raised : Start doing workshops on parts of the bug triaging process [17:10] with things like: how to search for duplicates, send bugs upstream ,etc ,etc [17:10] of course we're going to need some teachers to help ;-) [17:10] SwitchDK, that'd be great, thanks :-) [17:11] and we have some actions to everybody on the BugSquad [17:11] We noticed that new contributors tend to ask questions in private , that's ok but we'd like to encourage those to also do it on the public IRC Channel [17:12] there's nothing wrong on asking in #ubuntu-bugs, in fact that's the perfect place for questions related to bugs [17:13] and remember that there's no dumb questions :-) [17:14] Should we update the wiki pages to reflect all mentoring is done through the IRC Channel? [17:14] and there is no official mentor/mentee structure? [17:14] SwitchDK, yes, that's something we need to update [17:14] i can do that [17:14] SwitchDK, that'd be amazing! thanks for helping [17:14] you are welcome [17:15] when should it be done by? [17:15] We also need to start collecting 'easy tasks' for beginners so that's something we are going to start asking on the mailing list [17:16] SwitchDK, no rush, by the end of the weekend i think is fine [17:16] pedro_, ok no problem, i will get it sorted [17:16] i guess that's more or less everything from the blueprint [17:16] pedro_: popey also offered to create/help create short videos [17:16] notes are there in the blueprint itself and in etherpad [17:17] I did! [17:17] hggdh, \o/! awesome the more contributors the better :-) [17:17] popey, thank you so much :-) [17:17] pedro_: and super-popey knows :-) [17:17] oh yeah [17:17] just ping me with what you need, sorry, only popped in because of nickname hilight [17:17] hggdh, anything else from your side re the blueprint? [17:18] pedro_: no. I am to send a note to all regarding the mentorship closure, and this was it, mostly (given popey coming up) [17:18] there was also a discussion of the Community team regarding Bugs but i wasn't able to attend [17:18] (and all you already highlighted) [17:18] hggdh, were you there? [17:18] I was there, yes [17:19] hggdh, any highlights to share? [17:19] we hammered a bit more on the difference between a bug and an user's problem [17:19] the biggest point is users usually do not have bugs, but problems/issues [17:20] so sites like askubuntu, answers, fora, etc should be the first access [17:20] and we would then (magically) promote some to bugs [17:21] additionally -- I proposed harvesting the bugs with workarounds, and publishing them on askubuntu (or somewhere else) [17:21] I think I also got this action, somewhere [17:21] the whole thing is to make it easier for causual users to find answers for their issues [17:21] .. [17:22] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-bug-involvement <- that's the blueprint hggdh is talking about [17:22] hell. s/causual/casual/ [17:22] hggdh, thanks ! [17:22] ok anybody else, any highlight from UDS you'd like to share? [17:23] yw. We will need to formalise a bit on how we mine workarounds, and translation [17:23] one of the things that are going to land soon and it looks amazing is the new testing tracker [17:24] yeah! [17:24] i know some of you guys also contribute to the testing team so if you're interesting have a look to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-p-iso-tracker [17:24] it looks really great [17:24] hggdh, could you please let me know before you sent an email to the ML about mentorship closure. It would be great that you in the same email could mention that the wiki has been updated [17:24] like no more creating of multiple accounts, you'll be able to login with your lp id *sweet* [17:25] SwitchDK: certainly [17:25] and being able to look at previous results [17:26] is the testing tracker only for QA teams? [17:26] i don't know what a testing tracker is, sorry for my ignorance [17:26] and its going to warn you with an email when a rebuild is going on, so you don't waste time testing something [17:28] the testing tracker is, pretty much, a point where the formal tests are described/worked on; anybody can participate. Proposing new tests is still to be discussed, but I would expect something like emailing the ubuntu-qa ML, and working out gain/pain, and feasibility [17:28] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ <- testing tracker [17:28] ah, thanks pedro_ (the penny finally dropped) [17:28] (the old one, the new one is still being built) [17:29] indeed [17:29] Anything else ? any other highlight? [17:29] or questions? [17:29] one more [17:29] er, \o [17:29] * pedro_ pass the mic to hggdh [17:30] thanks. I was gladly surprised on the community bugs session -- much more people than I expected, and most really interested. So, here goes a thank you for all that participated [17:30] .. [17:31] oh yes! there was a lot of people participating even remotely so thanks a lot :-) [17:31] ok if there's no other comments/questions i think that's all for today [17:31] * hggdh is done [17:32] remember to stay tune for the call for help on videos/workshops [17:32] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [17:32] Meeting ended Thu Nov 10 17:32:19 2011 UTC. [17:32] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-10-17.03.moin.txt [17:32] thanks all for participating! [17:32] thank you pedro_ [17:32] thanks all [17:48] ping highvoltage [17:54] is this the channel for the Ubuntu EMEA membership applicants meeting? [18:01] hi marcus , yes [18:01] ah, ok ;) [18:13] i will be away at 20:30 utc. hope that fits. [18:34] ah sorry, away till 20:30 not at [19:55] Good afternoon [19:55] (slash evening) [19:55] good evening everyone! [19:56] o/ [19:56] * stgraber waves [19:57] Evening everyone :) [19:57] Evening stefano [19:57] * george_e waves too. [19:58] stefano-palazzo Oli rawr rawr rawr! [19:58] right, 2 minutes before we start, do we quorum for application reviews? [19:58] * marcoceppi cheers [19:58] * george_e cheers [19:58] YAY GO Oli and stefano-palazzo!!! [19:58] and Cheesehead!! [19:59] ditto: \o/ for oli and stefano ;-) [19:59] (i'm not too late am I?) [19:59] czajkowski: are you present? [19:59] jrgifford, you're right on time, I triple checked (: [19:59] stefano-palazzo: YAY. :D [19:59] n0rman: ready? [20:00] ready when you are [20:00] highvoltage: ready [20:00] ok, we're just waiting for one more person [20:01] pleia2: unless you have an hour to spare? [20:02] present [20:02] yay [20:03] anyone want to chair or should I? [20:03] can you please [20:03] Welcome to this month's EMEA Regional Board Meeting. [20:03] Candidates will be able to present themselves one by one in order of the agenda on the wiki page. [20:03] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA [20:03] Only board members can vote. [20:03] If you'd like to show your support for an applicant, please wait until it is their turn. [20:03] Candidates should prepare an introduction of 1-5 sentences and also have a prepared wiki page for their application. [20:04] Iaian Farell emailed earlier to notify me that he won't be able to make it for this meeting, we'll review his application next month. [20:04] mariot: you're up first [20:04] Hello World! [20:04] hi mariot, please tell us a little about yourself [20:04] I'm Mariot Tsitoara, the owner of Malagasy Translators Team [20:05] I'18 and I'm from Madagascar [20:05] I study computer science and I come from Madagascar. [20:06] I'm so happy to be there! [20:06] have you done any work besides which is listed on your wiki page that you'd like to share with us? [20:07] yes [20:07] Would you like to tell us about it? [20:07] mariot: is there anyone who can vouch for your work here today ? [20:08] I'm a bureau member of our Linux Club and I support Ubuntu in there [20:08] * highvoltage has no further questions [20:08] Thank you! [20:09] mariot: anyone here to vouch for your work ? [20:09] are we ready to vote? stgraber, czajkowski, n0rman: do you have any quesitons? [20:09] None of my friends could be here tonight [20:09] highvoltage: yup [20:09] highvoltage: yep [20:09] as in, ready to vote :) [20:09] sorry I still need to get the hang of the new bot, so I'll manually make notes one last time [20:10] VOTE: mariot for membership +1 / +0 / -1 (only board members can vote): [20:10] -1 mariot perhaps if you have more detail on your wiki page please come back but at present it's hard to judge. [20:11] Okay [20:11] +0 [ good translation work but I'd like to see more contributions or more translation co-ordination ] [20:11] +0 [ Good activity on translations and answers but would like to see more documented contributions on the wiki page ] [20:11] -1 same as czajkowski i think mariot needs to write more about all of his work [20:12] Result: -2 [20:12] mariot: sorry you didn't get it this time, you have what it takes, but we'd like to see a bit more from you [20:12] Ok, I'll contribute more. Thanks for all! [20:12] mariot: thank you [20:12] Best of luck mariot! [20:13] mariot: we'd like to see you apply again, feel free to contact us if you need some help or advice [20:13] please get some people to leave comments on your wiki page and come back [20:13] is toddy present? [20:13] That's me. Hi erverybody. [20:13] toddy: hi there [20:13] hi czajkowski [20:14] toddy: hi! please tell us a bit about yourself [20:14] yes. tank you, highvoltage [20:14] *thank [20:15] My name is Torsten and I am 34 years old. I use Ubuntu since 2006. [20:15] My most avitivities for Ubuntu I make as a project leader of ubuntuusers.de. [20:15] In addition, I participate actively in the German LoCo team at Linuxdays and other events. [20:15] In this year I organzie the ubucon - the german conference of Ubuntu users. [20:16] More about me you find on my page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TorstenFranz [20:16] Any questions for toddy? [20:16] toddy: nice wiki page very detailed [20:16] thank you, czajkowski [20:16] you've clearly been active, tell me what you love about Ubuntu and the community? [20:16] I'd like to take this chance to thank you, toddy, for running a fantastic project. The site is a great showcase for what the ubuntu community is all about. [20:17] thank you, stefano-palazzo [20:17] nice testimonials too :) [20:17] Ubuntu in not only a operation system fpr me, czajkowski - it is a life style. and this way of live I love [20:18] *for [20:18] toddy: :) ok [20:18] :) [20:18] I've no further questions [20:18] VOTE: toddy for membership +1 / +0 / -1 (only board members can vote): [20:18] +1 [ great local Ubuntu advocacy and LoCo team involvement ] [20:19] +1 great work keep it up [20:19] +1 [20:19] +1 [20:19] Result: +4 [20:19] welcome toddy [20:19] thank you. [20:19] toddy: congratulations and welcome! [20:19] \o/ [20:20] welcome toddy :) [20:20] marcus notified us earlier that he can only be here from 20:30, so we'll move on for now. [20:20] Cheesehead: are you present? [20:20] o/ [20:20] Hello. My name is Ian Weisser. I live in North America. I'm 41 years old, a non-IT professional. I have three lovely children, I own a violin store, and I teach an officership class at the local university to army cadets twice a week. [20:20] I have been quite active in Brainstorm for three years. The wiki page says a lot about my contributions to the Bug Squad, Brainstorm, the LoCo, and the Leadership Team. [20:20] i am here ;) [20:20] * Cheesehead stops [20:21] thanks for the well-prepared intro, it saves some time :) [20:21] highvoltage: Since marcus is here, would you like him first? [20:21] for me it's ok. just go ahead ;) [20:22] lets carry on Cheesehead and we can go back to mariot [20:22] marcus: [20:22] * Cheesehead continues intro [20:22] I have an awful sense of humor, and I say things like "I invited all my enemies, why didn't they show up to the membership meeting?" One of the things I love most about the Ubuntu community is their tolerance for my rather absurdist sense of humor. [20:22] I brought a few friends today, DarwinSurvivor (Brainstorm), bigbash (LoCo), and jrgifford (Leadership Team)...(er, sorry if I missed someone - those names all scroll by so fast!) [20:22] YAY Cheesehead! He's been awesome in #ubuntu-leadership [20:22] (EOF) [20:22] Any questions for cheesehead? If there's none we'll continue with voting. [20:23] Just like to chime in and say Cheesehead has been very active and helpful to all in #ubuntu-us-wi [20:23] especially me [20:23] * Cheesehead blushes [20:23] Cheesehead: how do you feel about loco teams and how they help promote ubuntu [20:23] o/ will vouch for Cheesehead's amazing work on brainstorm, both with the site and new reviewers/mods [20:23] I see you're involved with your loco team [20:24] VOTE: Cheesehead for membership +1 / +0 / -1 (only board members can vote): [20:24] Hi from Wisconsin, I'm the LoCo contact. [20:24] +1 [ thanks so much for the help with Brainstorm ! ] [20:24] +1 [ work on brainstorm and loco team involvement ] [20:24] +1 [20:24] +1 [20:25] Result: +4 [20:25] Cheesehead: congratulations and welcome! [20:25] Thanks everybody! [20:25] * h00k high-fives Cheesehead [20:25] Oli: your turn :) [20:25] * DarwinSurvivor congrats Cheesehead! [20:25] highvoltage: marcus ? [20:25] Oli WOOOOOO! [20:25] Hello! [20:25] congrats Cheesehead!! [20:25] Yeah Oli!!! Wooooooooooooooo! [20:25] jup, i am here [20:25] Hurray for Oli!! [20:25] \o/ [20:26] he's awesome. :P [20:26] should i give a short introduction, too? [20:26] Oh, it's marcus's turn [20:26] ? [20:26] marcus: after Oli [20:26] * george_e sits back down. [20:26] Righto. [20:26] * marcoceppi retracts woooooooooo [20:26] * george_e stands back up. [20:26] * marcoceppi reretracts woooooooooo [20:26] * jrgifford remained standing [20:26] Lol. [20:26] Hi all, I'm Oli - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Oli - I'm a 27 year old web developer from Norfolk, UK and I'm an Ask Ubuntu moderator. [20:26] Oli: nice testimoals [20:27] I've been using Ubuntu somewhere between three and five years and I've been trying to help others with it for almost as long. [20:27] *testimonials [20:27] The vast majority of my contribution to date has been over the last year on Ask Ubuntu where I've been trying to help as many people as possible My wiki page has some aggregate statistics. As I've mentioned, I now also help out there by moderating the site and dealing with our community's issues alongside marcoceppi and stefano-palazzo. [20:27] And although it's probably not pertinent to the process, I have a cold. That is all. [20:27] Thanks czajkowski. [20:27] Oli: your page says you're often an outspoken frustrated ubuntu user. If you could change any one thing in Ubuntu by just snapping your fingers and making it so, what would that be? [20:28] Oli: what would you like to achieve in the Ubuntu community ? [20:29] highvoltage: That I wouldn't have to wrestle with various "shells" (Unity/fallback/etc) just to make things how I like. Current configuration (or lack thereof) in Unity is killing me. [20:29] Oli: hence why you hang out in #ubuntu-power-users a lot? :P [20:29] Oli has been outstanding on Ask Ubuntu, his stats are just immense. [20:30] czajkowski: I'd like to carve out a proper place for our users on Ask Ubuntu, working with the other moderators and other communities. I think we have a real asset sitting there where people can get help - if they know about it. [20:30] great. any other questions for Oli? [20:30] Oli: so how can we better achieve that ? what can we do encouarge that ? [20:31] czajkowski: Well we're quite new so continuing what we're doing to see if it works. Promoting through locos. We just made it onto the official support page so we're in exciting times :) [20:31] Oli: ok [20:32] * marcoceppi +1 of Oli [20:32] * jrgifford echos marcoceppi. [20:32] * marcoceppi s/of/for/ [20:32] * george_e agrees. [20:32] I've no further questions [20:32] As you can see, we have a great community :) [20:32] ok, it is timeVOTE: Oli for membership +1 / +0 / -1 (only board members can vote): [20:32] +1 keep up the great work [20:32] +1 [ great work and testimonials for work done on askubuntu.com an loud cheerleaders ] [20:32] Oli: as they can't see, you secretly blackmailed us to show up here. ;D (jk) [20:32] +1 [20:33] +1 [20:33] Result: +4 [20:33] W000000000 [20:33] Oli: congratulations and welcome! [20:33] Thank you! [20:33] YAY CONGRATS Oli!! [20:33] cheerleading ftw! \o/ [20:33] fantastic :) [20:33] marcus: ready? [20:33] as always ;) [20:33] my name is marcus moeller. i am the loco contact of the swiss loco team, and have done some heavy work in this team this year. [20:34] besides that i have organized a lot of ubuntu related events, like the global jam (with unity bug squashing), several ubuntu hours on different topics and so on. [20:34] i have started to note down my activities on my wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarcusMoeller [20:35] we have also set up a local (german-speaking) community on http://ubunteros.ch where i am very active, too [20:36] marcus: what did you have to do for the re-approval of your loco team? how was the process? [20:36] we have collected all our event notes and added pictures [20:36] marcus: also, do you have anyone from the loco team who could vouch for you? I notice you don't have any testimonials on your wiki page. [20:36] we try to keep that always up to date [20:37] marcus: well http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-swiss-users/events isn't where your events are created [20:37] where do you get people invovlved? [20:37] marcus: are these meetings like "ubuntu hour" meetings? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwissTeam/Meetings [20:37] http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-swiss-users/events/history [20:38] yes, we got regular meetings on different topics [20:38] marcus: anyone from your loco to support your application ? [20:39] i think WaVer could support me, or ddeimeke, or anyone else form the loco [20:39] any further questions? [20:40] nope [20:40] I can definitely confirm that marcus is active on the swiss loco mailing list and did a very good job at updating our wiki, cleaning up the contact list there and managing the marketing/media part of the loco [20:40] thanks [20:40] VOTE: marcus for membership +1 / +0 / -1 (only board members can vote): [20:40] +1 [ loco team activities and general ubuntu advocacy ] [20:40] +1 [20:40] +1 [20:41] +1 [20:41] Result: +4 [20:41] marcus: congratulations and welcome! [20:41] thanks [20:41] stefano-palazzo [20:41] are you ready? [20:41] * marcoceppi additional pelvis-thrust and +1 for stefano-palazzo [20:41] I am :) [20:41] Wooooooo! Go stefano-palazzo!!!! [20:41] Hi. I'm Stefano, also one of the elected community moderators at AskUbuntu.com. I first got involved with Ubuntu, about 5 years ago by doing a bit of IRC support, and found my place in the community about 15 months ago, when Ask Ubuntu went public. [20:42] He brings all his milkshake to the yard. [20:42] You might have seen the Ask Ubuntu Lens, which I started when lenses were introduced, the Ask Ubuntu Classroom, and - hopefully - one of my answers in a google search. :) [20:42] Go stefano-palazzo!!!! [20:42] If Guido van Rossum hadn't invented Python, Stefano would have. [20:42] george_e: heh, nice [20:42] wow what a wiki page [20:42] Stefano is AWESOME! [20:43] thank you all, you're too kind [20:43] stefano-palazzo: so I see jcastro suggested you get more involved in other areas of the Ubuntu community such as a loco or other areas, have you done so ? [20:44] I have gotten involed with the DX team a bit, particularly when lenses were introduced, [20:44] ok [20:44] He wrote a lens for Ask Ubuntu. [20:44] ready to vote? [20:44] stefano-palazzo: so how will ubuntu membership help you in the community ? [20:45] are you looking to get further involved? [20:45] I am, yes [20:45] We're starting to think more concretely about ways to better integrate AU into the ubuntu ecosystem, the moderators job will be, I think, to be the bridge between the community at large and AU [20:46] ok thanks for answering [20:46] Amen. [20:46] +1 to that one stefano-palazzo. [20:46] (as well as helping the various councils and organisations comunnicate with stack exchange) [20:46] VOTE: stefano-palazzo for membership +1 / +0 / -1 (only board members can vote): [20:46] ok I've no further questions [20:47] +1 [ great askubuntu work and contributions to Unity ] [20:47] +1 [20:47] +1 but keep up the work in the greater ubuntu community as well :) [20:47] +1 [20:48] Result: +4 [20:48] stefano-palazzo: congratulations and welcome! [20:48] thank you very much :) [20:48] stefano-palazzo: congrats! :D [20:48] woohoo! \o/ [20:48] Congratulations stefano-palazzo!!!1 [20:48] czajkowski, I will [20:48] WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ROCK ON [20:48] Seems like EgyParadox isn't present [20:49] Which concludes our business for today :) [20:49] Congratulations everyone! [20:49] thank you everyone for attending, we managed to avoid having a backlog for next month [20:49] mariot: hope to see you in next meeting :) [20:49] also special thanks to n0rman who lent a hand from the Americas board [20:49] highvoltage: thanks for chairing [20:49] n0rman: thank you [20:49] Thanks, EMEA board! [20:49] right now to run [20:50] thanks folks [20:50] n0rman: thanks! See ou there! [20:50] thanks! [20:50] End of meeting, have a great day everyone. [20:50] :) [20:50] Thanks all! [20:50] highvoltage: czajkowski :) [20:50] thanks everyone [20:50] Question... what happened to the voting bot? [20:51] george_e: it b0rked itself I assume? [20:51] Just wondering. [20:51] egyparadox: sorry but the meeting is over [20:51] I added my name after the announcement [20:51] george_e: there's a new meeting bot, which works, I just need to learn how to drive it. I'll make a point of doing that for the next meeting I chair :) [20:52] egyparadox: yes, we were waiting for you [20:52] highvoltage: Ah, I see. [20:52] EgyParadox: ah, you missed it by just a few minutes. Our next meeting is on 6 December at 20:00 UTC [20:52] egyparadox: iainfarrel didn't come neither [20:56] n0rman, \o/ [20:57] The new date was today? [20:58] EgyParadox: yes :) [20:58] leogg: o/ [20:58] I didnt receive an email [20:59] I just seen it now [20:59] :| [20:59] Oli: btw, what's your full name? [21:11] I apologize for not attending [21:17] EgyParadox: next meeting is on 6 December at 20 UTC [22:06] /c/c