[09:07] <artnay> mdke: dpm , about ubuntu-docs, ping?
[09:25] <dpm> hi artnay, what's up?
[09:27] <artnay> dpm: about one's name missing from translation info page / contributors list. I think it's related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/484981
[09:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 484981 in launchpad "Incomplete/empty list of contributors in non-trunk series (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 2)" [High,Triaged]
[09:28] <artnay> dpm: when I go to my LP page, click on translations I see my latest contributions. I see the latest changes that I made to ubuntu-docs but the link itself still directs to ubuntu project, not ubuntu-help
[09:29] <artnay> dpm: and we've lost a lot of contributors names
[09:29] <artnay> dpm: and it's not just about ubuntu-docs, see for example compare these: https://translations.launchpad.net/deja-dup/20/+pots/deja-dup/fi/+details https://translations.launchpad.net/deja-dup/22/+pots/deja-dup/fi/+details
[09:30] <artnay> see for ex... (I pasted my lines from yesterday :-))
[09:30] <dpm> artnay, wait, I don't understand this part: "the link itself still directs to ubuntu project, not ubuntu-help"
[09:30] <artnay> dpm: https://translations.launchpad.net/~jiri-gronroos 14 hours ago?ubuntu-docs? source package in Oneiric
[09:30] <artnay> dpm: but that link directs to ubuntu project, not ubuntu-docs
[09:31] <artnay> so I get OOPS-dbc16cbf53e41be4e2ce08ed4efecbb6 - should I file a bug against LP?
[09:31] <ubot4> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=dbc16cbf53e41be4e2ce08ed4efecbb6
[09:32] <dpm> artnay, if I go to this link shown in your dashboard: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/ubuntu-docs/+pots/ubuntu-help/fi/+filter?person=jiri-gronroos and then I click on the first link, it does take me to the right place. Which link is not working for you?
[09:32] <artnay> dpm: so when I go to ubuntu-docs and watch the contributors list, some names are missing. I'm still able to see my own translations by setting the filter manually to url line
[09:33] <dpm> let's center on one issue at a time ^
[09:33] <artnay> Lost something?
[09:33] <artnay> dpm: 14 hours ago?ubuntu-docs? source package in Oneiric <- that link points to ubuntu project although it's been transferred to ubuntu-docs
[09:34] <artnay> so when I click that link, I get the oops above
[09:34] <dpm> I don't get the oops, that's my point
[09:35] <dpm> If I go to your dashboard (https://translations.launchpad.net/~jiri-gronroos) and then click on "14 hours ago “ubuntu-docs” source package in Oneiric" it takes me to the right package in Ubuntu
[09:35] <artnay> well I already asked if someone could help me with that on #launchpad
[09:35] <dpm> without oops
[09:35] <artnay> dpm: but there's no such package anymore, it has been moved to its own project
[09:35] <artnay> this one here https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/oneiric/+pots/ubuntu-help/fi/+translate
[09:36] <dpm> well, you asked me too, and I'm trying to help as well
[09:36] <artnay> dpm: sure thing and I appreciate your effort
[09:36] <dpm> artnay, oh, now I understand the issue
[09:36] <dpm> ok, let me explain:
[09:37] <dpm> the reason why I don't see the oops is because I'm an admin, so I'm taken to the right package, even though it's disabled
[09:37] <dpm> I think on this one we should enable the ubuntu-help package back, and this would sort out your issue
[09:37] <dpm> let me talk to kelemengabor later on about this one
[09:38] <dpm> so that will sort out problem 1)
[09:38] <artnay> dpm: furthermore, I can't see my name on contributors list (which makes it hard for me to filter my own results, see what others have changed etc.) on ubuntu-docs page ( https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/oneiric/+pots/ubuntu-help/fi/+details ) although I'm able to filter manually my results by setting my account to url line like https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/oneiric/+pots/ubuntu-help/fi/+filter?person=jiri-gronroos
[09:40] <artnay> and the same thing is happening with deja-dup (the links I provided above)
[09:41] <dpm> Problem 2) is about the bug in Launchpad, which unfortunately I cannot help you much with :( - On this one I'd recommend to talk to the launchpad folks
[09:42] <artnay> dpm: do you think it's related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/484981 ?
[09:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 484981 in launchpad "Incomplete/empty list of contributors in non-trunk series (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 2)" [High,Triaged]
[09:42] <artnay> or should I file a new one?
[09:44] <dpm> artnay, I think it might be related to the existing one. I.e. the list of contributors is not carried over when creating a new shared template
[09:44] <artnay> but since there is no trunk series and LP suggests to translate oneiric series...
[09:45] <dpm> I think the bug is not about the type of series itself, it's more about carrying over contributor credits to new templates in new series
[09:49]  * TLE getting in line behind artnay for a dpm audience ;)
[09:50]  * dpm would feel honoured to grant audience :)
[09:50] <dpm> just replying to your e-mail, btw :)
[09:51] <TLE> awesome, let me know when you guys are done
[09:54] <artnay> dpm: can see you who was the creator of https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/ubuntu-docs/+pots/ubuntu-help/fi/
[09:54] <artnay> dpm: with deja-dup the creator for 20 series seems to be "Jussi" but for 22 it's Launchpad Translations Administrators
[09:56] <dpm> artnay, I'm not sure what you mean by "Creator". There is no such thing. If you're referring to the name of the person which appears next to the stats page, that's simply the name of the last translator. In terms of translator credits for 'ubuntu-help', they seem to be fine and include you as well: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/734028/
[09:57] <artnay> dpm: see https://translations.launchpad.net/deja-dup/20/+pots/deja-dup/fi/+details - there's "Creator" on the left side
[09:57] <artnay> but it's different in 22 series: https://translations.launchpad.net/deja-dup/22/+pots/deja-dup/fi/+details
[09:57] <artnay> just want to make sure it doesn't have to do anything with this
[09:59] <dpm> artnay, oh, I didn't know the "Creator" field existed. In any case, I assume it's the first person who submitted a translation or created the translation file, and I'm guessing it's got nothing to do with bug 484981. Perhaps danilos can confirm, without having to go in much detail?
[09:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 484981 in launchpad "Incomplete/empty list of contributors in non-trunk series (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 2)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484981
[10:00] <dpm> artnay, in any case, just for the record, "Launchpad Translations Administrators" was the creator of 'ubuntu-help' in oneiric
[10:00] <danilos> dpm, yes, that's pofile.owner, a person that initiated a creation of the POFile (i.e. the first to do any translation) or rosetta-admins, not used for anything at all
[10:03] <artnay> ok, I created https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/888474
[10:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 888474 in launchpad "List of translation contributors is not carried over when creating a new shared template (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[10:03] <artnay> hope it's clear enough
[10:04] <dpm> thanks artnay
[10:12] <artnay> you're welcome. I could ask the following now: are there any plans to make filtering more useful? e.g. show only translations made by me that have been overwritten (probably someone else has fixed a mistake), ordering translations by the date etc. I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/230686 and bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/87513 has already been fixed
[10:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 230686 in launchpad "Combining search and filtering on +translate pages (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Triaged]
[10:13] <artnay> or is there any way to filter and make a custom order (by a date) in url?
[10:14] <artnay> that would be very helpful with templates that have ~3000 translatable items (ubuntu-help)
[10:31] <TLE> dpm: Hey, I drafted a UDS highlights post for the social medias, I have written something for the sessions that I attended and I was wondering if you would fill something in for the remaining sessions. I send the draft to you in an email.
[10:32] <TLE> it does not have to be more than a few lines per session or the post will be huge
[10:33] <dpm> artnay, afaik, there are no plans, although I agree it would be very helpful. One way to start is to file a bug fleshing out the feature request
[10:34] <dpm> TLE, cool, let me finish off the reply to your first e-mail and then look at this one, thanks!
[10:44] <TLE> dpm: cool
[11:01] <dpm> TLE, so it seems we're all set. I'll work on the sessions summary as well.
[11:03] <TLE> dpm: I _just_ wrote you another email, saying I'll wait two hours with writing pitti, but other than that, yes we are all good
[11:03] <dpm> TLE, did you reply to Simos in private?
[11:04] <TLE> yes, and I forgot to CC you, I didn't want to do it on the list, since that might enlist more requests for postponements
[11:04] <dpm> TLE, that was my thought, well done :)
[11:51] <artnay> danilos: ping, I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/425590
[11:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 425590 in launchpad "Improve layout of POFile:+filter (affects: 1)" [High,Triaged]
[11:51] <artnay> danilos: I'm unable to see https://devpad.canonical.com/~danilo/pages/pofile-filter.jpg due to permissions, do you have a copy somewhere?
[11:55] <danilos> artnay, it's not a very useful photo, I can copy it somewhere for you once I come back from lunch
[11:59] <artnay> danilos: I think you've listed at least some features I spoke of earlier so I don't want to create a dupe. but yeah, if you're able to give a public link to the photo, I'd be thankful. also the .dev link doesn't work for me.
[13:25] <dpm> TLE, Greek langpack tested :)
[13:32] <dpm> also, in other news, we've reached 1001 people who like http://www.facebook.com/ubuntu.translators :)
[13:34] <TLE> dpm: Greek language pack, check, I'll write Martin
[13:34] <TLE> facebook, nice, we are at 103 on G+
[13:34] <dpm> \o/
[13:35] <dpm> time to start some healthy competition g+/FB :)
[13:35] <dpm> scratch healthy
[13:35] <dpm> bloody is more entertaining
[13:37] <TLE> oh yeah
[13:40] <dpm> :)
[13:48] <TLE> dpm: btw
[13:49] <TLE> on a totally onrelated and non-translated issue, do you know if it is somewhere documented what it is that quickly does
[13:49] <TLE> I mean not how to use it, but how the templates for unity has been put together and what decisions lead to what programming structures and technologies used and so on
[13:53] <dpm> TLE, I don't think there is anything Unity-specific. I can talk about technologies, but not programming structures (didrocks and mterry should be the ones for that). The idea was to put together the best open source tech in one place, so to that extend, quickly is just the glue for all these: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/quickly-workflow/
[14:01] <dpm> ok, lunch time
[14:02] <TLE> dpm: sorry that was non-sense, it was supposed to say quickly both places, thanks
[14:51] <danilos> artnay, for the .dev link, you need to run LP locally, if it still doesn't work, that'd be surprising
[14:52] <artnay> danilos: thought so, at least icann wasn't giving any .dev TLDs back in 2009 ;)
[14:56] <danilos> artnay, http://people.canonical.com/~danilo/pofile-filter.jpg should work, but as I said, there's not much there :)
[14:57] <artnay> danilos: thanks. well at least there's something. that feature would require a blueprint, I guess.
[14:57] <artnay> danilos: I'll add more comments to your bug later on
[15:01] <danilos> artnay, LP doesn't use blueprints for development
[15:04] <TLE> really *G*