[00:02] <Azelphur> anyone got any opinions on this? http://www.boffer.co.uk/
[00:03] <Azelphur> on the surface of it it doesn't look too bad for a £100 tablet o.O
[00:05] <ubuntubhoy> resistive screen, it will drive hyou nuts
[00:05] <ubuntubhoy> you*
[00:05] <Azelphur> ah
[00:09] <ali1234> Processor: ZiiLABS ZMS-08 HD Media-Rich Applications Processor what?
[00:09] <ali1234> Operating System: Android 2.1 fail
[00:09] <Azelphur> righto, fail it is then :P
[00:10] <ali1234> Screen Resolution: 480 x 800 pixels Oh dear, my phone has more pixels than that
[00:10] <Azelphur> tbh I should be trying to get my laptop back off this company that's had it in for repair for the past 3 months -.-
[00:10] <ali1234> still i suppose it's not bad for £100
[00:10] <Azelphur> doesn't look great shopping around you can get a refurb nook color for £110
[00:10] <Azelphur> and it's cm supported with better specs :D
[00:11] <ali1234> tablets are a bit rubbish anyway
[00:11] <Azelphur> indeed
[00:11] <Azelphur> my netbook can be a tablet, if I ever see it again xD
[00:15] <ubuntubhoy> tablets are fine, as long as you remember they aint PC's
[00:16] <ali1234> "tablets are fine as long as you remember they don't really do anything useful"
[00:17] <ali1234> "tablets are fine as long as you remember they are not PCs or netbooks or a kindle or a TV or a phone"
[00:17] <ubuntubhoy> lol
[00:17] <ubuntubhoy> they work ok as Kindles
[00:18] <ali1234> they work OK as any of those things, except maybe the phone part
[00:18] <ubuntubhoy> and the PC part
[07:35] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> \o AlanBell
[08:03] <gordonjcp> morning
[08:03] <gordonjcp> woo, time to leave
[08:10] <daubers> Morning
[08:10] <popey> Morning.
[08:12] <daubers> So Reading now has a hackspace with a space \o/
[08:13] <daubers> (even if the space is in Woodley)
[08:16] <diplo> Morning
[08:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Meauning
[08:27] <dgjones> Morning all
[08:39] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:41]  * TheOpenSourcerer wonders if AlanBell is wake yet...
[08:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> s/wale/awake
[08:41] <popey> 07:35:43 < AlanBell> morning all
[08:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> arggh
[08:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks popey
[08:41] <popey> np
[08:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> That was before I had booted up :-)
[08:42]  * AlanBell returns with coffee
[08:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Made the first coffee/tea at 06:15 though :-(
[08:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning AlanBell
[08:42] <popey> i was dreaming at 06:15
[08:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Did you see my message last night about that little chilli I gave you?
[08:42]  * popey makes more coffee
[08:43] <MartijnVdS> coffee? heathen!
[08:43] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: I did, I will be very careful of it
[08:43] <AlanBell> I was a bit scared to begin wiht
[08:43]  * TheOpenSourcerer is already on 3rd cup
[08:43]  * MartijnVdS has very black tea
[08:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> It was probably, the hottest one I have *ever* had.
[08:46] <AlanBell> what does it take to get a chilli measured?
[08:46] <MartijnVdS> a scoville scale?
[08:47] <popey> a chromatograph?
[08:47] <MartijnVdS> exactly
[08:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoville_scale
[08:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-performance_liquid_chromatography "This article may be too technical for most readers to understand." :-)
[08:48] <popey> hah
[08:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: get one of these rigs and you are there! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hplc.JPG
[08:49] <AlanBell> I think perhaps I will stick to the Bombay Torpedos to add to my scrambled eggs :)
[08:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> The Dorset Naga is claimed to be in this range (855,000–1,463,700)
[08:49] <popey> i had scrambled egg this morning
[08:49] <popey> with salmon
[08:50] <MartijnVdS> popey: Canonical pays well, then?
[08:50] <daubers> popey: Why did you ruin perfectly good eggs?
[08:50] <popey> haha
[08:50] <popey> it was discounted salmon in the co-op ☺
[08:50] <popey> made a sarnie for wifey and brekkie for me
[08:50] <popey> salmon in eggs is nyommy
[08:51] <AlanBell> you can get scrambled eggs with salmon in the Popham Little Chef
[08:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> The *Bangalore* Torpedo is probably in the 30 - 50,000 category ;-)
[08:52]  * AlanBell wonders if ☺☺☺☺ is a bug in the font
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> MY EYES
[08:53] <popey> a bug?
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> popey: Ubuntu Mono + multiple adjacent smiley faces = merged smiley faces
[08:54] <AlanBell> the ☺ glyph is wider than the monospaced space it should be sat in
[08:54] <popey> ah
[08:54] <popey> i am on the mac atm
[08:54] <AlanBell> however I am not sure I want that bug fixed
[08:54] <popey> will switch in 5 mins
[08:58] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:06] <Laney> it is because it falls back to another font
[09:06] <Laney> which is wider
[09:06] <Laney> afaik
[09:07] <Laney> →☺←
[09:08] <AlanBell> good point Laney, thanks
[09:09] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/862401
[09:09] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 862401 in Ubuntu Font Family "Mono: please add left/right arrows" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[09:18] <AlanBell> ooh, nottingham happiness tonight
[09:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone know a good "cisco engineer"?
[09:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> for hire/rent?
[09:19] <dwatkins> TheOpenSourcerer: You mean someone with a CCNA?
[09:19]  * daubers used to be cisco qualified
[09:19] <Laney> AlanBell: you coming?
[09:20] <AlanBell> Laney: sadly not, bit far for me
[09:20] <Laney> :(
[09:21] <AlanBell> tonytiger: o/
[09:22] <daubers> Anybody know where I can get printed mifare cards for a reasonable price?
[09:23] <AlanBell> anyone from the Southampton area here?
[09:27]  * popey points AlanBell at tonytiger 
[09:28] <bigcalm> He's grrrrrrreat?
[09:28] <AlanBell> he is :)
[09:28] <bigcalm> This is true
[09:29]  * bigcalm tares himself away from uupc to make some coffee
[09:29] <bigcalm> Oh, good morning peeps :)
[09:37]  * BigRedS ponders making a packaging-related joke at bigcalm 
[09:37] <BigRedS> good morning!
[09:41] <bigcalm> BigRedS: you've lost me already. Obviously I need that coffee that is still brewing
[09:41] <bigcalm> And hi :)
[09:43] <BigRedS> haha! G'morning!
[09:43] <BigRedS> Tare weight is the bit of net weight that is packaging
[09:43] <BigRedS> I think
[09:43] <BigRedS> contrived, perhaps. pedantic, definitely
[09:44] <bigcalm> Ah
[09:45] <bigcalm> I should open my calendar more often. Just noticed that my car's MOT expires at the end of the month :(
[09:47] <AlanBell> mine expires on saturday
[09:47] <AlanBell> might go sit in the MOT place with my laptop this afternoon
[09:47] <BigRedS> Oh. My insurance probably expires soon.
[09:47] <BigRedS> Last year I went to the bikelive show on this bike, and that's in a couple of weeks
[09:48] <daubers> BigRedS: I went to that last year!
[09:48] <daubers> BigRedS: Not going this year though :(
[09:49] <BigRedS> daubers: I'm still a maybe for this year
[09:50] <BigRedS> the only day I can go is the mondau, but technically I'm working until 6am that day...
[09:50] <Laney> man, sometimes aptitude can be quite dense
[09:50]  * AlanBell wonders if TheOpenSourcerer wants a nice tasty chicken
[09:51] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Is it dead?
[09:53] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: no, but it will be
[09:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: We are away all this weekend.
[09:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> "Youth Hostelling for 36 adults & kids"
[09:54] <AlanBell> nice
[09:54] <AlanBell> take them a chicken :)
[09:54] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:54] <AlanBell> hey kids, this is how you pluck a chicken
[09:54] <bigcalm> AlanBell: has it stopped pooping eggs?
[09:55] <AlanBell> bigcalm: it is a boy :(
[09:55] <bigcalm> Ah
[09:55] <AlanBell> boys are noisy and useless
[09:55] <popey> HAH!
[09:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Now where have I heard that before???
[09:56] <BigRedS> My mother says things like that :(
[09:56] <popey> we often have boys vs girls at home
[09:56] <popey> given there's 3 of each
[09:56] <BigRedS> Then she acquired stepdaughters and changed her mind :)
[09:56] <popey> Me, Sam & Salem (cat) are the 'cool boys' and Clare, Sophie and Pringle (cat) are the 'smelly girls'
[09:57] <popey> blimey asus transformer is only 434 quid with the keyboard
[10:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> "*only* £434" Spoken like someone who is more used to paying overblown Apple prices ;-)
[10:00] <BigRedS> took me a few seconds to realise he wasn't talking about a power supply
[10:01] <brobostigon> !info udisks-deamon
[10:01] <lubotu3`> Package udisks-deamon does not exist in natty
[10:04] <BigRedS> brobostigon: !info udisks-daemon ?
[10:04] <BigRedS> !info udisks-daemon
[10:04] <lubotu3`> Package udisks-daemon does not exist in natty
[10:04] <BigRedS> oh
[10:04] <AlanBell> popey: are they available to buy yet?
[10:04] <popey> AlanBell: which?
[10:04] <popey> the transformer is, the newer 'transformer prime' isnt
[10:05] <AlanBell> ok
[10:05] <brobostigon> !info udisks
[10:05] <lubotu3`> udisks (source: udisks): storage media interface. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.2-4ubuntu2 (natty), package size 209 kB, installed size 1056 kB
[10:05] <KrisDouglas> I <3 my Transformer
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> Robots in disguise?
[10:06] <KrisDouglas> quite so MartijnVdS
[10:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ebuyer have the Transformer for £419.93
[10:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> (Not the quad core)
[10:07] <popey> ooooo
[10:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.ebuyer.com/262116-asus-transformer-tf101-tablet-pc-tf101-1b028a
[10:08] <KrisDouglas> I paid 429 for my Transformer TF101
[10:08] <KrisDouglas> @ PCW
[10:10] <popey> what gives with the circles on keys?
[10:11] <KrisDouglas> what do you mean?
[10:11] <ubuntubhoy> is anyone having issues with Wine in precise ?
[10:11] <popey> on 1, 6 and up and down
[10:11] <popey> they have circles on them
[10:11] <JamesTait> Tippity-top-tastic Thursday, everyone! ;)
[10:11] <KrisDouglas> Not a clue :)
[10:11] <popey> http://image.ebuyer.com/UK/P600-0262116-02.jpg
[10:12] <DJones> Maybe its Google Plus ready :)
[10:12] <KrisDouglas> popey, the function key combined with one of those buttons does nothing different than their original function
[10:12] <KrisDouglas> (excluding pgup and pgdown ofc)
[10:19] <Laney> quassel!
[10:19]  * Laney joins in with the quiz
[10:20] <bigcalm> Nobody picked my obscure answer for the Dr. Who question
[10:20] <Laney> s390! mipsel!
[10:25] <popey> oooo local shop has a transformer
[10:26] <Laney> this quiz amuses me
[10:26] <Laney> iain approves
[10:26] <popey> what quiz?
[10:27] <Laney> on the uupc
[10:27] <popey> oh :D
[10:27] <popey> wondered what you were whittering on about then :D
[10:27] <Laney> gutsy gibbon
[10:28] <Dave2> I'd given almost a full list for the Ubuntu codenames and had just forgotten Breezy :(
[10:28] <popey> wish I'd had that question
[10:28] <Laney> do we have the full lists?
[10:28] <popey> i would have said edgy
[10:28] <Laney> seeing what people said would be QI
[10:28] <Dave2> I put edgy.
[10:28] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[10:28] <Laney> nein, the answers people gave
[10:28] <Dave2> But then I put everything except Breezy.
[10:28] <popey> oh
[10:29] <popey> i bet intrepid wasnt a popular one people said
[10:29] <Dave2> I definitely put down intrepid, for obvious reasons.
[10:29] <Laney> i remember it for its lovely t-shirt
[10:31] <popey> i prefer the bird one
[10:31] <Dave2> Hardy?
[10:31] <popey> ya
[10:31] <popey> i have a few of them
[10:31] <KrisDouglas> My girlfriend always wears the Hardy t-shirt :)
[10:32] <Laney> mine got shredded by the washing machine
[10:32] <Dave2> Could've been dapper.
[10:32] <Laney> but then the missus repaired it by doing a fabric graft
[10:32] <Dave2> (Did they do dapper t-shirts?)
[10:32] <Laney> which means it is now disturbingly tight
[10:33] <KrisDouglas> Laney, lol. It was disturbingly tight on me anyway. Like a swimsuit 8-) Hence girlfriend use
[10:40] <KrisDouglas> I could write a manpage on how to obliterate an IRC channel. Did everyone die?
[10:40] <ubuntubhoy> 10:30 - Tea break
[10:44] <kirrus> 10:45 Talk about junk break
[10:51] <ubuntubhoy> close, 10:45 - nip out for a piss and a fag skive
[10:53] <czajkowski> directhex: I love how your blog feed is down for one of the feeds I've to watch!
[10:53] <czajkowski> at work
[10:54] <directhex> o_o
[10:54] <czajkowski> directhex: I work at h-online.com
[10:54] <czajkowski> your blog is under one of the feeds we watch
[10:55] <popey> is it filed under 'epic mono troll' ?
[10:55] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:55] <directhex> i suspect that's from chats on twitter with codepope
[10:55] <czajkowski> popey: I'm shocked yours isnt
[10:55] <czajkowski> I may need to fix that
[10:55] <czajkowski> :p
[10:56] <popey> i wouldn't bother
[10:56] <popey> i dont blog interesting stuff tbh
[10:56] <popey> that might change in the future
[10:56] <popey> :D
[11:00] <czajkowski> indeed
[11:00] <czajkowski> so in todays feeds so far all I can see is linux mint bumping ubuntu off the top spot
[11:01] <czajkowski> and fedora 16 still
[11:04] <bigcalm> The WC is getting out of hand :)
[11:04] <popey> yeah
[11:05] <czajkowski> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/8879705/The-voice-behind-Siri-breaks-his-silence.html  found this one interesting
[11:09] <davmor2> morning all czajkowski prod
[11:09] <daubers> identi.ca must be playing in the big leagues now! I've just had my first spam follower
[11:10]  * czajkowski kicks davmor2 
[11:11]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski repeatedly in the same spot
[11:12] <czajkowski> davmor2: look you did that last week and I had a brusise on my arm
[11:12] <czajkowski> though to be fair you really freaked some folks up by walking up to me and ppking my arm
[11:12] <czajkowski> very odd looks indeed
[11:12] <davmor2> czajkowski: hehehe
[11:13] <davmor2> czajkowski: I'd say you bruised me when you hit me with the noise you're knuckles made but errmmm you didn't sorry :)
[11:26] <czajkowski> charming
[11:29] <davmor2> czajkowski: well you know these things happen
[11:29] <davmor2> gord: you about dude?
[11:29]  * Dave2 raises an eyebrow.
[12:31] <Lantizia> Ubuntu LPIC Exam 199 - anyone know if it is still going or not?
[13:14] <popey> AlanBell: now I'm working from home I'm thinking of looking for a wokspace outside home so I can get a day away from the house. interested in looking for one?
[13:15] <AlanBell> funnily enough I was going to suggest something of the kind, like the wolves crowd are doing
[13:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bizarre. I also was pondering the same.
[13:18] <KrisDouglas> I couldn't work from home, 2meg broadband vs 44meg broadband.
[13:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> I would actually quite like a proper "office"
[13:19] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: AlanBell popey http://coworkingspace.info/
[13:21] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: AlanBell popey http://wiki.coworking.info/w/page/16583718/CoworkingSurrey
[13:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ha - I know the first name on that list!
[13:22] <AlanBell> interesting
[13:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> The Maltings has some (AIUI) low-cost rooms for this.
[13:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Roger Goscomb offered us use of some of their space in Frensham if we needed it...
[13:25] <popey> are you guys in FSB?
[13:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> No.
[13:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> SCC though
[13:26] <popey> FSB let you use Regus communal areas for nothing
[13:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not quite what I had in mind.
[13:26] <popey> yeah
[13:27] <popey> useful for adhoc stuff
[13:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Then so is Starbuck ;-)
[13:27] <popey> true
[13:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> \s
[13:27] <popey> free tea/coffee at Regus :D
[13:27] <popey> unlike Starbucks
[13:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> True
[13:28] <bigcalm> popey: I have suggested the workplace day davmor2 and I will be attended next week
[13:29] <bigcalm> Apart from myself, it appears to be mostly Canonical people anyway
[13:29] <popey> bit far for us ☺
[13:29] <bigcalm> Pfft :P
[13:30] <bigcalm> Only 150 miles
[13:30] <bigcalm> :D
[13:30] <davmor2> haha
[13:31] <davmor2> popey: shame on you where's your dedication dude 3 hours of train rides is a light commute for you dude ;)
[13:31] <popey> who was it here who has a transformer?
[13:31] <popey> kirrus: ?
[13:31] <popey> ah, KrisDouglas
[13:31] <popey> KrisDouglas: whats the first 3 digits of the serial number on yours?
[13:32] <KrisDouglas> popey, the transformer?
[13:32] <popey> yes
[13:32] <popey> not the keyboard, the device itself
[13:32] <KrisDouglas> sadly it's an unrootable B70 class
[13:32]  * kirrus waves hello, bye bye, and goes back to lurking
[13:32] <popey> and how long ago did you get it
[13:32] <popey> bummer
[13:32] <popey> B60 is the rootable one isnt it?
[13:32] <KrisDouglas> B70KAS215707
[13:32] <KrisDouglas> Some B70's are
[13:33] <KrisDouglas> you see mine is KAS21
[13:33] <KrisDouglas> some of them (CAS14) use the old SBK to encrypt the bootloader
[13:33] <KrisDouglas> sorry nvflash, not bootloader
[13:33] <popey> hmm
[13:34] <KrisDouglas> I am just past the bracket for a rootable one and I bought this about 3 months back
[13:34] <KrisDouglas> I would give a much loved body part for a rootable one :)
[13:35] <KrisDouglas> I will just patiently wait for them to leak the new SBK however.
[13:36] <czajkowski> I should start to take bets on snow and my flight home for xmas!
[13:37] <ubuntubhoy> is anyone else having trouble with Wine 1.3 in either 11.10 or 12.04 ?
[13:37] <bigcalm> Whatever ships with 11.10 broke SQLyog for me :(
[13:38] <bigcalm> Might get around to pinning an old version
[13:38] <KrisDouglas> ubuntubhoy, It seems to be working well for me, better than the previous person to be honest. What problem are you experiencing?
[13:40] <davmor2> czajkowski: just book the train and ferry and save the heart ache
[13:52] <awilkins> Buffet restaurant lunches : an exercise in gluttony AND disappointment
[13:54] <popey> I don't miss thursday at my last place of work
[13:54] <popey> "Disappointing curry day"
[13:54] <bigcalm> It's Thursday?
[13:54] <bigcalm> Gah, I'm missing another day
[13:54] <awilkins> It is.
[13:54] <ubuntubhoy> KrisDouglas, cant get kindle to install, or previous install to start
[13:55] <bigcalm> popey: got a moment to test something for me please? :)
[13:55] <popey> ya
[13:56] <bigcalm> Yay
[14:03] <KrisDouglas> ubuntubhoy, do you run any other apps under wine?
[14:03] <czajkowski> yay for 4 day weeks :)
[14:04] <KrisDouglas> if you don't we could try resetting the bottle
[14:04] <KrisDouglas> sorry about the delayed response
[14:04] <ubuntubhoy> NP
[14:04] <ubuntubhoy> no, nothing else
[14:05] <KrisDouglas> Righto, open winetricks
[14:06] <KrisDouglas> select use default prefix, and then delete all data and applications
[14:06] <KrisDouglas> then close and try re-installing
[14:08] <ubuntubhoy> no joy - same result
[14:10] <KrisDouglas> let me try, one sec
[14:11] <KrisDouglas> I presume it has worked before, I'm sure i know someone else who uses it
[14:11] <ubuntubhoy> yeah
[14:12] <ubuntubhoy> iirc it wont work with the latest Kindle app
[14:12] <ubuntubhoy> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6297429/KindleForPC-installer.exe
[14:12] <ubuntubhoy> thats an older one I have used a load of times before
[14:12] <davmor2> ubuntubhoy: if it is that you just want to  read your kindle books you can install chromium and the kindle web app and read it from the browser
[14:12] <KrisDouglas> Yeah, the installer doesn't even load from the one that's on the amazon website
[14:13] <KrisDouglas> davmor2, smart arse :)
[14:13] <ubuntubhoy> davmor2, not keen on the web app
[14:13] <ubuntubhoy> and cabalt is it, is a little cluttered
[14:14] <davmor2> ubuntubhoy: No it's the official Amazon Kindle chrome application
[14:14] <ubuntubhoy> yeah
[14:15] <ubuntubhoy> not cabalt, calibre
[14:15] <ubuntubhoy> nice app, but too cluttered
[14:15] <KrisDouglas> ubuntubhoy, I can't even get the installer you linked to load ;)
[14:15] <ubuntubhoy> davmor2, using it on a touchscreen
[14:15] <KrisDouglas> ubuntubhoy, buy a kindle? :)
[14:15] <ubuntubhoy> KrisDouglas, worse than me then
[14:15] <ubuntubhoy> lol
[14:16] <KrisDouglas> Yeah, everything else works
[14:16] <ubuntubhoy> K
[14:16] <ubuntubhoy> cheers anyway
[14:16] <ubuntubhoy> will see if I can find a wine 1.3 thats a little older somewhere
[14:16] <ubuntubhoy> think its wine rather than Ubuntu
[14:16] <KrisDouglas> might be something I'm missing but i'm certain I have windows installer setup
[14:17] <KrisDouglas> if I had more time I would try running it from the command line and seeing what messages it was dumping
[14:17] <ubuntubhoy> dont fret on it, was just checking if it was me or not
[14:17] <KrisDouglas> possibly, I am on the PPA latest version, so you and I may be experiencing similar issues
[14:17] <ubuntubhoy> yeah, if your 1.3 you should be ppa
[14:18] <ubuntubhoy> 1.2 is the standard repo version
[14:18] <ubuntubhoy> but it wont work with 1.2
[14:18] <ubuntubhoy> that said its not working with 1.4 now either
[14:18] <ubuntubhoy> 1.3*
[15:00] <bastubis> I just read that Adobe are abandoning AIR for Linux so does this mean users won't be able to run Acroread any moer?
[15:01] <AlanBell> that is unrelated
[15:01] <bastubis> It doesn't run on AIR?
[15:05] <AlanBell> not to my knowledge, but I could be wrong
[15:05] <AlanBell> thought it was just a native application
[15:05] <AlanBell> BBC iPlayer is an air thing
[15:05] <brobostigon> i agree with alanbell, acrobat doesnt use air on linux,
[15:09] <ali1234> acroread is ancient
[15:09] <Dave2> Does anyone actually use acroread on Linux though?
[15:09] <bastubis> Yes, voluntary sector organisations
[15:09] <bastubis> it's crucial for them
[15:10] <AlanBell> why?
[15:10] <bastubis> all their funding applications have to be made on interactive pdf forms
[15:10] <bastubis> evince effs them up
[15:10] <bastubis> it's a deal breaker for them
[15:10] <AlanBell> ok, interesting
[15:10] <bastubis> if they can't use acroread they'll have to stop using linux
[15:10] <ali1234> have you reported it as a bug?
[15:10] <bastubis> it's not a bug
[15:10] <AlanBell> is there a bug against evince for this?
[15:10] <ali1234> yes it is
[15:11] <bastubis> oh, sorry - evince lol
[15:12] <ali1234> with examples would be helpful too... are the forms publicly available?
[15:12] <AlanBell> I installed acroread once on ubuntu and it is horrible and slow, so I use evince, never had any issue with it , but I don't come across interactive PDF files
[15:12] <ali1234> they've always been a problem
[15:13] <bastubis> they're unuseable
[15:13] <bastubis> you can fill in a pdf and print it (sort of, though this isn't very good either)
[15:13] <bastubis> but if you try to save them, they corrupt
[15:13] <bastubis> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=480668
[15:14] <lubotu3`> Gnome bug 480668 in PDF "save user input in pdf fillable forms" [Enhancement,Resolved: fixed]
[15:14] <bastubis> and people running Windows can't open the file
[15:14] <bastubis> I couldn't open it again on Ubuntu either
[15:15] <bastubis> I just install acroread for them - as far as I know it runs on AIR
[15:15] <bastubis> I use it myself for funding applications
[15:15] <AlanBell> either way, the current version of acroread will still work
[15:15] <AlanBell> don't know if they are ever going to release any updates to it
[15:15] <bastubis> yes, but eventually it'll become incompatible with current systems
[15:15] <bastubis> surely?
[15:16] <bastubis> they said they're not going to develop it anymore
[15:16] <AlanBell> no, not really
[15:16] <bastubis> so it'll stay in the partner repos?
[15:16] <AlanBell> don't see why not
[15:17] <AlanBell> might not go into new partner repos, but you should be able to grab the .deb file from the older ones if it doesn't
[15:17] <AlanBell> and file bugs against evince if there are forms it doesn't work with
[15:18] <brobostigon> ok, in debian sid, under non-free repo, acroread has no depend on adobe air. so can be installed and ran without adobe air. conclusive.
[15:18] <bastubis> apparently americans also use it for their tax forms: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/518230
[15:18] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 518230 in evince (Ubuntu) "Some PDF forms don't save entered information" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:18] <bastubis> ah, that's a relief then
[15:18] <Twinkletoes> Troubles with vim syntax, I'm trying to sort a range of lines. I've marked a and b (and verified using :marks), and am using the command:  ma,mbsort    but I'm getting an error "E488 Trailing Characters".
[15:19] <bastubis> Evince pretty much doesn't work with *any* forms - I can't file a bug every time lol
[15:19] <AlanBell> "Running the original pdf through either pdfopt or pdfedit's delinearize
[15:19] <AlanBell> function creates a form that can be correctly saved, at least in this
[15:19] <ali1234> you don't need to
[15:20] <bastubis> yeah but a bunch of VCS organisations aren't going to do that
[15:20] <AlanBell> no, but it is an interesting suggestion which indicates that the problem might be solveable
[15:21] <AlanBell> sounds to me like the source forms don't conform to the standard
[15:21] <bastubis> yes, looks that way
[15:21] <AlanBell> but acrobat is incorrectly working fine with them
[15:21] <bastubis> but you can't control what the US tax office - or UK funders - do with their forms
[15:21] <AlanBell> so evince needs to reproduce the bug in acrobat that make it work fine
[15:21] <bastubis> it has to work with whatever messed up rubbish such agencies choose to foist on us
[15:22] <AlanBell> indeed
[15:22] <ali1234> the bug is probably in the standard
[15:22] <AlanBell> either way, report bugs give them an example of a form that doesn't work
[15:23] <bastubis> I think they'd want to kill me after a couple of weeks lol
[15:23] <bastubis> very few forms *do* work
[15:23] <bastubis> In fact, I never met any one form that did
[15:23]  * AlanBell has never come across any forms
[15:23] <popey> i have
[15:23] <popey> HMRC have some
[15:23] <popey> i usually print them
[15:24] <bastubis> My accountant copes with the tax, but she uses Windows
[15:24] <bastubis> god popey - try filling in a funder form with a biro lol
[15:24] <AlanBell> I think I may have come across an HMRC form that I had to fill out on screen and then print and sign
[15:24] <bastubis> they're 20 pages or worse
[15:25] <bastubis> Funders send you massive, bureaucratic forms 20-40 pages long
[15:25] <bastubis> when printed, they're about 3 inches thick
[15:25] <AlanBell> there was no saving of it and it seemed to work fine in evince, don't think I have ever saved a form
[15:25] <bastubis> You have to fill in mountains of detailed crap
[15:25] <bastubis> and then email the result
[15:25] <bastubis> It usually takes several days to fill them in, and you need to save constantly or you lose your wwork
[15:26] <bastubis> then you have to print two copies, email one and mail one, with one for your files
[15:26] <bastubis> so you know what you said to them
[15:26] <DJones> When I'm forward buying foreign currency, the bank faxes a document to confirm, which I can then either fax or post back to them, or scan & email.  Why don't they just email it to me in the first place
[15:26] <bastubis> It's so complicated that if it doesn't save properly, you've lost days of work
[15:27] <DJones> At no point does anybody have to sign what they send through, I literaly just send exactly what they send me, back unchanged
[15:27] <bastubis> I have the same problem with my bank, have to print it out, sign it, scan it, email it back
[15:55] <KrisDouglas> Fax to email :)
[16:24] <KrisDouglas> I think i have a virus, I keep killing ubuntu UK
[16:25] <DJones> Heh
[16:26] <DJones> Probably so many people were at UDS recently, they're still writing up their notes from then & deciding who's going to do what
[16:30] <Myrtti>  i think i locked myself out :-(
[16:30] <Myrtti> boo
[16:32] <KrisDouglas> DJones, maybe.
[16:32] <KrisDouglas> Myrtti, of Ubuntu or your house?
[16:32] <KrisDouglas> I can probably solve the former but the latter is a touchy subject :)
[16:32] <Myrtti> my aoartment
[16:32] <KrisDouglas> oh.
[16:33] <KrisDouglas> well it's not all bad news, how much battery do you have remaining?
[16:33] <Myrtti> latter is a touchy subject for a Finnish Tarzan
[16:34] <Myrtti> enough to go to my sisters by bus, was going anyway but may have forgotten to pack my keys
[16:35] <Myrtti> among other things
[16:35] <KrisDouglas> well you don't have to commit suicide just yet if you still have battery
[16:35] <KrisDouglas> now is your chance to use the power of google to become a locksmith
[16:36] <Myrtti> haha no
[16:36] <Myrtti> two Abloy executive standard locks
[16:36] <Myrtti> cant pick them
[16:37] <Myrtti> Ill just return with a spare key, my sister has one
[16:38] <Myrtti> if I werent going to hers, I'd call the maintenance guys, they have a master key
[16:39] <Myrtti> also bill 30-60e for it
[16:41] <bigcalm> So glad I didn't bother adding 1-2 day shipping onto my Amazon order and went with the free 3-5 day option. Email from Amazon saying the item I ordered last night has just been shipped this afternoon
[16:41] <bigcalm> Must be a slow day for them
[16:42] <gord> <3 amazon prime
[16:42] <bigcalm> I don't order enough to be able to make use of prime
[16:43] <bigcalm> gord: are you joining us for the work place day next week?
[16:43] <gord> should do, weather permitting - if its freezing cold and pouring down, maybe not ;)
[16:44] <bigcalm> Ah, sweet
[16:44] <bigcalm> You can offset davmor2's crazyness ;)
[16:44] <bigcalm> I think mrevell is joining us as well
[16:44] <bigcalm> That's 4, any more?
[16:44]  * bigcalm pokes aquarius
[16:45] <mrevell> bigcalm, I aim to. drussell may want to as well.
[16:45] <bigcalm> mrevell: yay. Though I'm not sure if I've seen drussell talk before
[16:45] <mrevell> There are some other people knocking around our area from Canonical who I might prod.
[16:46] <bigcalm> Yeah, I'm feeling a little out of place not working for Canonical :P
[16:46]  * aquarius is poked
[16:46] <aquarius> what about?
[16:46] <bigcalm> aquarius: work place day at the Lighthouse next Thursday
[16:47] <bigcalm> (17th)
[16:47] <aquarius> ah, right. Don't know at the moment
[16:47] <bigcalm> Which isn't a flat out 'no', good enough for now :)
[16:50] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'm not cra-tic-zy
[16:51] <bigcalm> davmor2: keep telling yourself that. Shall we call you Darling?
[16:56] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'm more worried about you calling me darling :/
[17:00] <ali1234> is anyone going to the happy hour?
[17:00] <ali1234> it's tonight right?
[17:00] <popey> yes
[17:01] <bigcalm> Not in my location
[17:01] <ali1234> popey: are you really "might be attending"?
[17:01] <ali1234> isn't it a bit far from you?
[17:01] <popey> 17:00:51 < ali1234> it's tonight right?
[17:01] <popey> 17:00:56 < popey> yes
[17:01] <popey> ☺
[17:01] <bigcalm> He's a bugger for that
[17:01] <ali1234> popey: yeah but... on the page it says you "might be attending"
[17:02] <popey> oh i see
[17:02] <bigcalm> Best to check what popey is actually answering to :P
[17:02]  * popey fix0r3s that
[17:02] <ali1234> that page is really hard to find btw
[17:02] <popey> fix0r3d
[17:02] <popey> yes, it is
[17:03] <popey> well, i went loco.ubuntu.com -> click europe -> click uk -> click event
[17:03] <Laney> what page?
[17:03] <popey> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1373/detail/
[17:03] <Laney> ta
[17:03] <ali1234> i have to find it by going to the uuk mailing list and finding the post where it is linked
[17:03] <popey> i tried to argue that it should be /teamname/eventname/ or /teamname/yy/mm/dd/event or something
[17:03] <ali1234> if i go to the happy hour main page, it isn't linked
[17:03] <popey> but the loco directory guys are somewhat resistant to removing those numbers in the middle
[17:03] <ali1234> http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/ <- this one
[17:04] <ali1234> that one is easy to find
[17:04] <ali1234> but it doesn't link to the event pages
[17:04] <popey> well thats silly
[17:04] <popey> the ones above link right
[17:04] <ali1234> the ones above?
[17:04] <drussell> mrevell: :oD hehe yeah I'm hoping to also...
[17:04] <ali1234> the thing is if you google "ubuntu happy hour" you get that listing page i just linked, and you can't get from there to the individual event pages
[17:05] <popey> fixed
[17:05] <ali1234> also did you know that the "ubuntu-uk" in the event url is meaningless? only the number does anything, you can put any valid loco or possibly any string in place of "ubuntu-uk" and you still get the event, eg http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/balhbalh/1373/detail/
[17:06] <popey> haha
[17:06] <ali1234> i found this because i was trying to find it starting at the 1277 (everyone knows 1277 right) by incrementing the number
[17:06] <popey> thats probably why they dont want the url monkeyed with
[17:06] <ali1234> and i got all other loco events
[17:07] <aquarius> popey, did you ever experiment with software audio transcription for uupc?
[17:07] <ali1234> so anyone from IRC going to this thing? or is it all mailing list people?
[17:07] <aquarius> specifically: if you did, what did you use? :)
[17:07] <Laney> i am going
[17:07] <Laney> as is moodoo
[17:08] <ali1234> k. i'll see you there then :)
[17:10] <Laney> i should find my uds badge so that i look cool
[17:10] <ali1234> i should shave so i don't look like a hobo
[17:11] <popey> aquarius: software to aid people doing transcriptions?
[17:11] <popey> aquarius: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PodcastTranscription
[17:11] <aquarius> no. speech recognition software to *do* the transcription :)
[17:12] <popey> no
[17:13] <aquarius> cool, just wondered :)
[17:18] <MartijnVdS> Siri, transcribe the podcast for me
[17:19] <popey> i had a chat with siri earlier
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> popey: And?
[17:19] <popey> the way he says "okay" is quite odd
[17:19] <popey> it kinda tails off
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> Okaaayy...
[17:20] <popey> yeah
[17:20] <popey> uh-kaaay
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> must be something 'merkin
[17:22]  * MartijnVdS runs off to see how his standard lap looks in the dark
[17:40] <kaushal> Hi
[17:40] <kaushal> Can someone please guide me about http://iwatch.sourceforge.net/index.html
[17:41] <kaushal> I have installed and its up and running in daemon mode
[17:41] <kaushal> I have tested it by editing /etc/motd file
[17:41] <kaushal> i did not get a email alert after editing it
[17:41] <kaushal> Am i missing something
[17:42] <kaushal> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/734425/
[17:43] <bigcalm> kaushal: can you send email from that machine?
[17:45] <kaushal> bigcalm: yes
[17:46] <DaveBugs> Evening
[17:46] <DaveBugs> Anyone heading to the Nottingham Happy Hour tonight?
[17:49] <popey> i suspect some are, yes ☺
[17:53] <DaveBugs> Popey: Does that include you now? :-)
[17:53] <popey> nope
[17:54] <DaveBugs> Woohoo!
[17:54] <DaveBugs> I mean, too bad.
[17:55] <popey> hah
[17:55]  * TheOpenSourcerer wants to go out for a beer this evening but it's Parent's evening at the school. :-(
[17:56] <Hux18> ~emaker
[17:56] <Hux18> #emaker
[17:57] <popey> heh, i had my parents evening last night
[17:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> All good?
[17:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> My wife was out last night with her mates.
[17:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> We are both out tomorrow - so no pub for me :-(
[17:59] <popey> yeah, all good
[18:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> tea time :-)
[18:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> bbl
[18:01]  * bigcalm wonders where his Hayley is
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: stuck in traffic
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[18:03] <MartijnVdS> Buying you an early christmas present
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[18:05] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I'll go with the latter please
[18:40] <DaveBugs> At The Roundhouse... Rather early.
[18:40] <ali1234> i'm just setting off
[18:41] <ali123456> testing irc works on my phone
[18:45] <popey> heh
[18:46] <AlanBell> ali123456: it does \o/
[18:46] <DaveBugs> ali123456: see you in a bit
[18:47] <shauno> oauth can die in fire :(
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> shauno: what alternative do you propose
[18:48] <shauno> a thousand papercuts might be a suitable alternate death.  fire seems simpler though
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> no I mean alternative to oauth
[19:00] <DaveBugs> LOL
[19:03] <shauno> I'm trying to do a single-user command-line app to a web service.  a simple shared secret would suffice
[19:03] <DaveBugs> C'mon, it's 19:02... Where is everyone?
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:07] <DaveBugs> It's not very Ubuntu-y here at the moment.
[19:08] <DaveBugs> Just me and my beer.
[19:08]  * gordonjcp is about to go out for a drive
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> Beer
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> DaveBugs: you have great ideas
[19:10] <DaveBugs> Yes, yes I do.
[19:10] <gordonjcp> not for me right now
[19:11] <shauno> I rarely get any more entertaining than this, unfortunately
[19:11] <shauno> there's something about waking up at 4:30am which inflicts all the personality of a zombie :(
[19:11] <DaveBugs> shauno: try beer.
[19:11] <shauno> that'd currently lead to a grape vs grain conflict
[19:11] <mgdm> gordonjcp: anywhere fun?
[19:11] <bigcalm> Do zombies like beer?
[19:12] <DaveBugs> shauno: ouch, you don't want that.
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> I have some beer my brothers made
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[19:12] <shauno> bigcalm: I hope so, because it's about all ireland has when The Day comes
[19:12] <Darael> bigcalm: They like that Welsh beverage, at least.
[19:12] <DaveBugs> Why didn't I bring a USB cable :-(
[19:13] <shauno> MartijnVdS: by 'my brothers', I'm chosing to believe you keep a small commune of trappist monks imprisoned in your basement for this very purpose :)
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> shauno: You may choose to believe that :)
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Except I don't have the basement
[19:14] <Darael> shauno: Bear in mind that he /would/ deny it.
[19:14] <shauno> interesting.  I've never tried keeping monks anywhere else
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> Darael: I would?
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> Darael: I need my dungeons for other things
[19:15] <shauno> of course.  a dutchman with belgian beer?  the scandal would reach the tabloids
[19:15] <Darael> MartijnVdS: Most people would.  They wouldn't want anyone stealing the monks.
[19:15] <Darael> That, too.
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> shauno: there's an official Trappist brewery near Tilburg in the Netherlands
[19:15] <shauno> heh, good save
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> shauno: they were in the news yesterday, they need to get more tanks because of increased demand
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> shauno: http://www.latrappe.nl
[19:17] <shauno> surely there's cheaper methods of crowd control.  tanks seem a tad OTT for monks
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> shauno: it's _beer_ we're talking about
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> shauno: isn't that also what the London riots were about earlier?>
[19:17] <shauno> no idea, I didn't think to ask
[19:18] <gordonjcp> mgdm: nah, just dropping off and picking up bits of junk
[19:18] <mgdm> gordonjcp: ah
[19:18] <shauno> I haven't lived in the UK for a *long* time.  ever since I discovered KFC were the only people willing to even offer me an interview
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Why's that?
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> shauno: criminal record?
[19:19] <shauno> because I lived in a blackhole that was built around ironworks and shipbuilding.  neither of which are exactly growth industries anymore
[19:20] <gordonjcp> shauno: where do you live now?
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> a cardboard box?
[19:20] <shauno> currently, ireland
[19:21] <shauno> I tried the states but they're a bit .. I'm not sure of a polite way to describe it
[19:21] <mgdm> A bit too much like the US?
[19:21] <mgdm> :)
[19:21] <shauno> polarizing, I guess.  it's either really works for you, or it really doesn't
[19:23] <DaveBugs> Marmite.
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> *shudder*
[19:23] <popey> \o/
[19:23] <DaveBugs> LOL
[19:23] <shauno> I have to say ireland's working out a charm, however.  they're similar enough to $HOME to be comfortable, but different enough to be worth the move
[19:23] <DaveBugs> Hehe
[19:24] <shauno> DaveBugs: that's a perfect analogy.  the US is marmite.
[19:24] <gord> i don't have a drivers licence, if i tried to live in the states i'd die of starvation within weeks.
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> gord: nah in big cities you don't need a car unless you live in the 'burbs
[19:24] <gordonjcp> gord: I do have a driving licence, but if I tried to live in the states I'd die of boredom on their roads
[19:24] <shauno> I don't either.  Cycling in michigan winters is a very peculiar skill
[19:25] <gordonjcp> miles and miles and miles of perfectly straight road, with a 55mph speed limit, and cars that can't actually stop or go round corners and struggle to manage the speed limit anyway
[19:25]  * czajkowski hugs gord 
[19:25] <popey> I had a nice hire car at UDS
[19:25] <popey> scared sladen a bit with it :D
[19:25] <czajkowski> you did indeed
[19:25] <smittix> does anyone know how to change the window font size in 11.10? gnome tweak tool doesnt seem to want to change that.
[19:25] <smittix> every other font it changes fine.
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> popey: one of those monster SUVs?
[19:26] <smittix> popey: sladen as in paul sladen?
[19:26] <shauno> I bought a 1974 mini.  which was all very well, but I had to actively search for roads with enough corners to make it worth it.  luckily michigan is blessed with a couple of coastlines
[19:26] <czajkowski> smittix: aye
[19:26] <smittix> heh went to school with him.
[19:26]  * MartijnVdS sticks to his Smart
[19:26]  * smittix has a Zafira
[19:27] <gordonjcp> I need to decide whether I'm keeping or selling the Citroën
[19:27] <shauno> I want another mini here, but they've so many guards that I've a feeling I'll need a license this time
[19:27] <gordonjcp> I haven't driven it this year
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> gord: Citroen what?
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp:
[19:27] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: CX 22TRS
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> tab error :)
[19:27] <czajkowski> smittix: really, he's a really good guy
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: ah oldie?
[19:27] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: I've got an '81 CX Reflex stored in my mate's yard, too
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: I have a '02 ForTwo
[19:28] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: I have a Mercedes van for work, so I tend to not use the car so much
[19:28] <smittix> czajkowski: aye, nice bloke indeed.
[19:28] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: don't know if you were at Oggcamp but that's what I went there in
[19:28] <shauno> gordonjcp: that sounds like the best way to do it.  that way, you can get the silly impractical car that's actually fun
[19:29] <gordonjcp> diesel for half the trip was, uh, sponsored by my fuel card
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: I wasn't, but I'll try to be at a future Oggcamp if there is one
[19:29] <popey> smittix: yes
[19:29] <DaveBugs> I wanted a For Four, but them they stooped making them.
[19:29] <DaveBugs> Stopped
[19:30] <popey> I got a Chevy Impala I think it was
[19:30] <DaveBugs> Someone is here!!
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> DaveBugs: they may have stooped as well ;)
[19:30] <gordonjcp> DaveBugs: I quite liked the sound of the Brabus Smart Fortwo
[19:30] <DaveBugs> \I/O
[19:30] <DaveBugs> Bloody stockinette
[19:30] <gordonjcp> DaveBugs: with the custom-made V6 engine made of two normal Smart engines welded together
[19:30] <DaveBugs> Autocomplete
[19:30] <DaveBugs> Gah
[19:31] <shauno> I drove the missus' chevvy for a while.  absolutely terrifying
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: scary
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: one Smart engine in a Smart is scary enough already
[19:31] <DaveBugs> Hehe
[19:32] <shauno> I've only driven on the interstate once.  I've only fallen asleep on the interstate once.  and I've only woken up on the interstate once.  cruise control is *not* a feature, it's a WONTFIX.
[19:32] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: ye
[19:32] <smittix> Surprised sladen doesn't lurk in here.
[19:32] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: bet it sounds amazing
[19:32] <popey> he does sometimes
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: it's a normal "cheap end of the spectrum" model
[19:33] <smittix> Small world
[19:33] <gordonjcp> right all you south of england people
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: I'm always surprised at how large it is on the inside
[19:33] <smittix> Does he still have long hair? Haven't seen him in ages.
[19:33] <gordonjcp> what would be the pros and cons of travelling to France via Folkestone or Dover?
[19:34] <popey> smittix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxZplO4XPpE
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: Felixstowe/Harwich <-> Hook of Holland
[19:34] <smittix> popey: LOL
[19:34] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: that's less handy for going to Switzerland
[19:34] <smittix> He hasn't changed
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: Though car + train + tunnel is cheaper (because you pay for the car, not for separate passengers, as on a boat)
[19:35] <popey> ☺
[19:35] <shauno> I really should try to see more of holland sometime.  iceland is currently top of my hitlist tho
[19:35] <shauno> popey: what on earth was that? it set irssi's text entry to inverse video
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> shauno: it's a smiley face. you might need to fix your utf8s
[19:36] <shauno> bah
[19:36] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: ah, good point, I was only looking at ferries
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: also, you might need to adjust your headlights on this side of the water
[19:36] <shauno> tmux appears to be turning utf8 into breakfast cereal.  everything else in the chain appears to be well-behaved
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: (so we don't get blinded by them)
[19:36] <smittix> popey: ?
[19:37] <matti> :)
[19:37] <popey> tmux huh.. byobu is switching from GNU Screen to tmux
[19:37] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: there's a button for that
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: only for up/down, not for left/right
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: at least on the cars I've seen
[19:37] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: nope, it's got left-right too
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: ooh shiny
[19:38] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: it's a nice bit of design
[19:38] <shauno> tmux is actively maintained and has a much smaller memory footprint.  past that, I bear no allegiances
[19:38] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: I may be picking up an old VW T4, and I know I can get LHD headlamps for that quite cheaply
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: I'm going to have to ask around on how it works on my Smart
[19:40] <shauno> amazon sent me an invitiation to a 'trial' of amazon prime, then don't let me sign up for it because I'm not in .co.uk.  fail.
[19:40] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: oh wow, the eurotunnel is like half the price
[19:40] <gordonjcp> now I just need 500 quid's worth of diesel
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: maybe it's cheaper in France?
[19:41] <shauno> oh, completely random.  I had a job interview today.  they specified linux experience.  the complete extent of the linux-relevant questions, were "what does the kernel do"
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> fial
[19:42] <shauno> this made me a sad puppy.  I like it when the interview is a challenge between my experience vs the interviewer's experience.  not high-level dross
[19:46] <shauno> I really need to figure out when it's acceptable to ask the interviewer to stop pussy-footing around and raise the bar
[19:46] <smittix> Heh Kevin Mitnick has just emailed me and confirms he uses Ubuntu
[19:47] <smittix> how awesome is that.
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mghhLqu31cQ#
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> ^ for all you people who live on the internets
[19:51] <shauno> I don't .. dmanit .. I do, don't I
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> shauno: just click the link
[19:52] <shauno> I had to turn it off.  It was spoiling my musics.
[20:00] <mgdm> The guy on the bass looks like Sheldon out of Big Bang Theory
[20:22] <mgdm> I might be wrong, but I could've sworn that a while back, I could do `apt-get install name-of-a-local-package-file.deb` and it would install the .deb file I pointed it at, but get it to resolve the dependencies using the normal way
[20:23] <mgdm> Is this something that was ever possible?
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> no?
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> dpkg -i + apt-get -f install works for me most of the time
[20:23] <mgdm> Hmmm. Maybe it's a yum thing :)
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> and there's gdebi
[20:23] <popey> yay gdebi
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> popey: scary man
[20:30] <shauno> I've never used apt like that.  apt doesn't install packages, it just finds them for dpkg
[20:30] <mgdm> There is a package manager somewhere that can do that - I suspect it's either yum or perhaps up2date
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> autopackage
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> *runs*
[20:32] <shauno> yum I'm unfamiliar with; I haven't used RH since it came bundled with Unleashed books
[20:34] <shauno> or the other way around; I haven't touched an rpm-based system since debian 2.2r2
[20:36] <Oli> Huzzah!
[20:37] <smittix> I like it how i can do yum install nautilus-* and it will install everything. can you do that with apt?
[20:37] <Azelphur> smittix: yes
[20:38] <smittix> same way? apt-get install nautilus-*
[20:38] <smittix> ?
[20:38] <Azelphur> yep
[20:39] <shauno> Note, selecting tortoisehg-nautilus for regex ‘nautilus-*’
[20:39] <shauno> etc
[20:45] <Oli> smittix: I'm not sure I'd recommend blindly installing things - not all packages are awesome.
[20:46] <AlanBell> team meeting in 10 minutes or so
[20:46] <daubers> Oooh
[20:46] <AlanBell> DaveBug: Laney: are you in a pub?
[20:46] <daubers> That was good timing then
[20:46] <daubers> Also, evening :)
[21:02] <AlanBell> okies, everyone got beer/wine/coffee/tea ready for a meeting in #ubuntu-uk-meeting very shortly?
[21:03]  * bigcalm nips to the loo
[21:32] <AlanBell> anyone want to go to a happy hour in early December?
[21:43] <christel> yes
[21:43] <christel> \o/
[21:43] <christel> not the 3rd mind, as that's the freenode staff christmas do
[21:43] <christel> also, sorry, i was scrolled up so i missed the topic change!
[22:22] <AlanBell> Christmas meal -> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1409/detail/
[22:23] <ubuntubhoy> all alone :-(
[22:23] <ubuntubhoy> not very festive
[22:24] <AlanBell> thats me
[22:24] <ubuntubhoy> remember to take a mirror, just in case you get lonely
[22:24] <funkyHat> hoho
[22:24] <AlanBell> won't help, it is in total darkness
[22:24] <funkyHat> It sounds rather interesting
[22:25] <ubuntubhoy> thats easy then, take a dinner party recording and join in
[22:28] <mattt> dans le noir?  odd :/
[22:31] <daftykins> meals served by blind staff
[22:31] <daftykins> don't wear anything you like...
[22:31] <bigcalm> AlanBell: I want to register for the event though I don't know at this point if Hayley can come or not
[22:31] <bigcalm> Should I put it down as 0 or 1 guest?
[22:31] <AlanBell> bigcalm: sure, you can change your number of guests so don't worry too much
[22:32] <bigcalm> daftykins: that's a little mean
[22:32] <AlanBell> I hope she can come, it will be fun!
[22:32] <bigcalm> That's what I'm thinking :D
[22:32] <AlanBell> daftykins: the blind staff won't have a problem, you will though
[22:32] <bigcalm> There we go
[22:32] <mattt> heh, it's like irc ... but in person
[22:32] <mattt> i still think it's odd ;D
[22:32] <daftykins> AlanBell: :D
[22:32] <bigcalm> Haha
[22:32] <daftykins> indeed, i can't get to London!
[22:32] <daftykins> fail at the first hurdle
[22:33] <AlanBell> mattt: well normal wouldn't really be "us" would it!
[22:33] <mattt> AlanBell: freaks!
[22:33] <AlanBell> yay
[22:35] <bigcalm> AlanBell: so far it's just you and me. How romantic ;)
[22:40] <AlanBell> bigcalm: you all look the same in the dark :)
[22:40] <ubuntubhoy> but do they feel the same ??
[22:40] <AlanBell> mooooving on
[22:41] <bigcalm> HAHA
[22:42] <mattt> :P
[22:44] <daftykins> most restaurants are practically pitch black already with the fashionable dim lighting ;)
[22:45] <daftykins> one of our fave local pubs actually cranks the music up and the lights down at a set time of evening :S quite daft it is
[22:45] <AlanBell> there is quite a lot of difference between low light and no light
[22:45] <daftykins> well yes but what i'm doing here is called making conversation branching from a topic, rather than being specifically to do with it
[22:46] <AlanBell> I find your expectation of social skills . . . disturbing
[22:46] <AlanBell> :)
[22:47] <daftykins> not sure i follow
[22:47] <daftykins> i found your comment rude so carried on ^_^
[22:47] <AlanBell> christmas meal mail sent :)
[22:48] <AlanBell> no intention to be rude, sorry if I was
[22:48] <daftykins> that's ok
[22:54]  * mattt gets his python on
[22:54] <bigcalm> AlanBell: It's the beginning of November and you've signed off your email with 'Happy Christmas'. I find this strangely disturbing
[22:57] <AlanBell> tweeted, and G+ed it
[23:24] <DaveBug> AlanBell: We /were/ in a pub... but I'm at home now
[23:24] <AlanBell> how did it go?
[23:30] <mattt> AlanBell: : what's your twitter?
[23:32] <AlanBell> @alanbell_libsol
[23:34] <mattt> was really hoping it was @alanbell :/
[23:35] <AlanBell> sadly I didn't get there in time for that
[23:45]  * bigcalm engages sleep mode