[00:02] anyone got any opinions on this? http://www.boffer.co.uk/ [00:03] on the surface of it it doesn't look too bad for a £100 tablet o.O [00:05] resistive screen, it will drive hyou nuts [00:05] you* [00:05] ah [00:09] Processor: ZiiLABS ZMS-08 HD Media-Rich Applications Processor what? [00:09] Operating System: Android 2.1 fail [00:09] righto, fail it is then :P [00:10] Screen Resolution: 480 x 800 pixels Oh dear, my phone has more pixels than that [00:10] tbh I should be trying to get my laptop back off this company that's had it in for repair for the past 3 months -.- [00:10] still i suppose it's not bad for £100 [00:10] doesn't look great shopping around you can get a refurb nook color for £110 [00:10] and it's cm supported with better specs :D [00:11] tablets are a bit rubbish anyway [00:11] indeed [00:11] my netbook can be a tablet, if I ever see it again xD [00:15] tablets are fine, as long as you remember they aint PC's [00:16] "tablets are fine as long as you remember they don't really do anything useful" [00:17] "tablets are fine as long as you remember they are not PCs or netbooks or a kindle or a TV or a phone" [00:17] lol [00:17] they work ok as Kindles [00:18] they work OK as any of those things, except maybe the phone part [00:18] and the PC part === RhysMorgan is now known as Ababcus [07:35] morning all [07:39] \o AlanBell [08:03] morning [08:03] woo, time to leave [08:10] Morning [08:10] Morning. [08:12] So Reading now has a hackspace with a space \o/ [08:13] (even if the space is in Woodley) [08:16] Morning [08:21] Meauning [08:27] Morning all [08:39] aloha [08:41] * TheOpenSourcerer wonders if AlanBell is wake yet... [08:41] s/wale/awake === dgjones is now known as DJones [08:41] 07:35:43 < AlanBell> morning all [08:41] arggh [08:41] Thanks popey [08:41] np [08:41] That was before I had booted up :-) [08:42] * AlanBell returns with coffee [08:42] Made the first coffee/tea at 06:15 though :-( [08:42] Morning AlanBell [08:42] i was dreaming at 06:15 [08:42] Did you see my message last night about that little chilli I gave you? [08:42] * popey makes more coffee [08:43] coffee? heathen! [08:43] TheOpenSourcerer: I did, I will be very careful of it [08:43] I was a bit scared to begin wiht [08:43] * TheOpenSourcerer is already on 3rd cup [08:43] * MartijnVdS has very black tea [08:43] It was probably, the hottest one I have *ever* had. [08:46] what does it take to get a chilli measured? [08:46] a scoville scale? [08:47] a chromatograph? [08:47] exactly [08:47] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoville_scale [08:48] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-performance_liquid_chromatography "This article may be too technical for most readers to understand." :-) [08:48] hah [08:48] AlanBell: get one of these rigs and you are there! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hplc.JPG [08:49] I think perhaps I will stick to the Bombay Torpedos to add to my scrambled eggs :) [08:49] The Dorset Naga is claimed to be in this range (855,000–1,463,700) [08:49] i had scrambled egg this morning [08:49] with salmon [08:50] popey: Canonical pays well, then? [08:50] popey: Why did you ruin perfectly good eggs? [08:50] haha [08:50] it was discounted salmon in the co-op ☺ [08:50] made a sarnie for wifey and brekkie for me [08:50] salmon in eggs is nyommy [08:51] you can get scrambled eggs with salmon in the Popham Little Chef [08:52] The *Bangalore* Torpedo is probably in the 30 - 50,000 category ;-) [08:52] * AlanBell wonders if ☺☺☺☺ is a bug in the font [08:52] MY EYES [08:53] a bug? [08:54] popey: Ubuntu Mono + multiple adjacent smiley faces = merged smiley faces [08:54] the ☺ glyph is wider than the monospaced space it should be sat in [08:54] ah [08:54] i am on the mac atm [08:54] however I am not sure I want that bug fixed [08:54] will switch in 5 mins [08:58] aloha [09:06] it is because it falls back to another font [09:06] which is wider [09:06] afaik [09:07] →☺← [09:08] good point Laney, thanks [09:09] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/862401 [09:09] Ubuntu bug 862401 in Ubuntu Font Family "Mono: please add left/right arrows" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [09:18] ooh, nottingham happiness tonight [09:18] Anyone know a good "cisco engineer"? [09:19] for hire/rent? [09:19] TheOpenSourcerer: You mean someone with a CCNA? [09:19] * daubers used to be cisco qualified [09:19] AlanBell: you coming? [09:20] Laney: sadly not, bit far for me [09:20] :( [09:21] tonytiger: o/ [09:22] Anybody know where I can get printed mifare cards for a reasonable price? [09:23] anyone from the Southampton area here? [09:27] * popey points AlanBell at tonytiger [09:28] He's grrrrrrreat? [09:28] he is :) [09:28] This is true [09:29] * bigcalm tares himself away from uupc to make some coffee [09:29] Oh, good morning peeps :) [09:37] * BigRedS ponders making a packaging-related joke at bigcalm [09:37] good morning! [09:41] BigRedS: you've lost me already. Obviously I need that coffee that is still brewing [09:41] And hi :) [09:43] haha! G'morning! [09:43] Tare weight is the bit of net weight that is packaging [09:43] I think [09:43] contrived, perhaps. pedantic, definitely [09:44] Ah [09:45] I should open my calendar more often. Just noticed that my car's MOT expires at the end of the month :( [09:47] mine expires on saturday [09:47] might go sit in the MOT place with my laptop this afternoon [09:47] Oh. My insurance probably expires soon. [09:47] Last year I went to the bikelive show on this bike, and that's in a couple of weeks [09:48] BigRedS: I went to that last year! [09:48] BigRedS: Not going this year though :( [09:49] daubers: I'm still a maybe for this year [09:50] the only day I can go is the mondau, but technically I'm working until 6am that day... [09:50] man, sometimes aptitude can be quite dense [09:50] * AlanBell wonders if TheOpenSourcerer wants a nice tasty chicken [09:51] good morning everyone. [09:52] Is it dead? [09:53] TheOpenSourcerer: no, but it will be [09:53] AlanBell: We are away all this weekend. [09:54] "Youth Hostelling for 36 adults & kids" [09:54] nice [09:54] take them a chicken :) [09:54] Heh [09:54] hey kids, this is how you pluck a chicken [09:54] AlanBell: has it stopped pooping eggs? [09:55] bigcalm: it is a boy :( [09:55] Ah [09:55] boys are noisy and useless [09:55] HAH! [09:56] Now where have I heard that before??? [09:56] My mother says things like that :( [09:56] we often have boys vs girls at home [09:56] given there's 3 of each [09:56] Then she acquired stepdaughters and changed her mind :) [09:56] Me, Sam & Salem (cat) are the 'cool boys' and Clare, Sophie and Pringle (cat) are the 'smelly girls' [09:57] blimey asus transformer is only 434 quid with the keyboard [10:00] "*only* £434" Spoken like someone who is more used to paying overblown Apple prices ;-) [10:00] took me a few seconds to realise he wasn't talking about a power supply [10:01] !info udisks-deamon [10:01] Package udisks-deamon does not exist in natty [10:04] brobostigon: !info udisks-daemon ? [10:04] !info udisks-daemon [10:04] Package udisks-daemon does not exist in natty [10:04] oh [10:04] popey: are they available to buy yet? [10:04] AlanBell: which? [10:04] the transformer is, the newer 'transformer prime' isnt [10:05] ok [10:05] !info udisks [10:05] udisks (source: udisks): storage media interface. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.2-4ubuntu2 (natty), package size 209 kB, installed size 1056 kB [10:05] I <3 my Transformer [10:05] Robots in disguise? [10:06] quite so MartijnVdS [10:07] Ebuyer have the Transformer for £419.93 [10:07] (Not the quad core) [10:07] ooooo [10:08] http://www.ebuyer.com/262116-asus-transformer-tf101-tablet-pc-tf101-1b028a [10:08] I paid 429 for my Transformer TF101 [10:08] @ PCW [10:10] what gives with the circles on keys? [10:11] what do you mean? [10:11] is anyone having issues with Wine in precise ? [10:11] on 1, 6 and up and down [10:11] they have circles on them [10:11] Tippity-top-tastic Thursday, everyone! ;) [10:11] Not a clue :) [10:11] http://image.ebuyer.com/UK/P600-0262116-02.jpg [10:12] Maybe its Google Plus ready :) [10:12] popey, the function key combined with one of those buttons does nothing different than their original function [10:12] (excluding pgup and pgdown ofc) [10:19] quassel! [10:19] * Laney joins in with the quiz [10:20] Nobody picked my obscure answer for the Dr. Who question [10:20] s390! mipsel! [10:25] oooo local shop has a transformer [10:26] this quiz amuses me [10:26] iain approves [10:26] what quiz? [10:27] on the uupc [10:27] oh :D [10:27] wondered what you were whittering on about then :D [10:27] gutsy gibbon [10:28] I'd given almost a full list for the Ubuntu codenames and had just forgotten Breezy :( [10:28] wish I'd had that question [10:28] do we have the full lists? [10:28] i would have said edgy [10:28] seeing what people said would be QI [10:28] I put edgy. [10:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases [10:28] nein, the answers people gave [10:28] But then I put everything except Breezy. [10:28] oh [10:29] i bet intrepid wasnt a popular one people said [10:29] I definitely put down intrepid, for obvious reasons. [10:29] i remember it for its lovely t-shirt [10:31] i prefer the bird one [10:31] Hardy? [10:31] ya [10:31] i have a few of them [10:31] My girlfriend always wears the Hardy t-shirt :) [10:32] mine got shredded by the washing machine [10:32] Could've been dapper. [10:32] but then the missus repaired it by doing a fabric graft [10:32] (Did they do dapper t-shirts?) [10:32] which means it is now disturbingly tight [10:33] Laney, lol. It was disturbingly tight on me anyway. Like a swimsuit 8-) Hence girlfriend use [10:40] I could write a manpage on how to obliterate an IRC channel. Did everyone die? [10:40] 10:30 - Tea break [10:44] 10:45 Talk about junk break [10:51] close, 10:45 - nip out for a piss and a fag skive [10:53] directhex: I love how your blog feed is down for one of the feeds I've to watch! [10:53] at work [10:54] o_o [10:54] directhex: I work at h-online.com [10:54] your blog is under one of the feeds we watch [10:55] is it filed under 'epic mono troll' ? [10:55] Heh [10:55] i suspect that's from chats on twitter with codepope [10:55] popey: I'm shocked yours isnt [10:55] I may need to fix that [10:55] :p [10:56] i wouldn't bother [10:56] i dont blog interesting stuff tbh [10:56] that might change in the future [10:56] :D [11:00] indeed [11:00] so in todays feeds so far all I can see is linux mint bumping ubuntu off the top spot [11:01] and fedora 16 still [11:04] The WC is getting out of hand :) [11:04] yeah [11:05] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/8879705/The-voice-behind-Siri-breaks-his-silence.html found this one interesting [11:09] morning all czajkowski prod [11:09] identi.ca must be playing in the big leagues now! I've just had my first spam follower [11:10] * czajkowski kicks davmor2 [11:11] * davmor2 prods czajkowski repeatedly in the same spot [11:12] davmor2: look you did that last week and I had a brusise on my arm [11:12] though to be fair you really freaked some folks up by walking up to me and ppking my arm [11:12] very odd looks indeed [11:12] czajkowski: hehehe [11:13] czajkowski: I'd say you bruised me when you hit me with the noise you're knuckles made but errmmm you didn't sorry :) [11:26] charming [11:29] czajkowski: well you know these things happen [11:29] gord: you about dude? [11:29] * Dave2 raises an eyebrow. [12:31] Ubuntu LPIC Exam 199 - anyone know if it is still going or not? [13:14] AlanBell: now I'm working from home I'm thinking of looking for a wokspace outside home so I can get a day away from the house. interested in looking for one? [13:15] funnily enough I was going to suggest something of the kind, like the wolves crowd are doing [13:18] Bizarre. I also was pondering the same. [13:18] I couldn't work from home, 2meg broadband vs 44meg broadband. [13:18] I would actually quite like a proper "office" [13:19] TheOpenSourcerer: AlanBell popey http://coworkingspace.info/ [13:21] TheOpenSourcerer: AlanBell popey http://wiki.coworking.info/w/page/16583718/CoworkingSurrey [13:21] Ha - I know the first name on that list! [13:22] interesting [13:22] The Maltings has some (AIUI) low-cost rooms for this. [13:22] Roger Goscomb offered us use of some of their space in Frensham if we needed it... [13:25] are you guys in FSB? [13:25] No. [13:25] SCC though [13:26] FSB let you use Regus communal areas for nothing [13:26] Not quite what I had in mind. [13:26] yeah [13:27] useful for adhoc stuff [13:27] Then so is Starbuck ;-) [13:27] true [13:27] \s [13:27] free tea/coffee at Regus :D [13:27] unlike Starbucks [13:27] True [13:28] popey: I have suggested the workplace day davmor2 and I will be attended next week [13:29] Apart from myself, it appears to be mostly Canonical people anyway [13:29] bit far for us ☺ [13:29] Pfft :P [13:30] Only 150 miles [13:30] :D [13:30] haha [13:31] popey: shame on you where's your dedication dude 3 hours of train rides is a light commute for you dude ;) [13:31] who was it here who has a transformer? [13:31] kirrus: ? [13:31] ah, KrisDouglas [13:31] KrisDouglas: whats the first 3 digits of the serial number on yours? [13:32] popey, the transformer? [13:32] yes [13:32] not the keyboard, the device itself [13:32] sadly it's an unrootable B70 class [13:32] * kirrus waves hello, bye bye, and goes back to lurking [13:32] and how long ago did you get it [13:32] bummer [13:32] B60 is the rootable one isnt it? [13:32] B70KAS215707 [13:32] Some B70's are [13:33] you see mine is KAS21 [13:33] some of them (CAS14) use the old SBK to encrypt the bootloader [13:33] sorry nvflash, not bootloader [13:33] hmm [13:34] I am just past the bracket for a rootable one and I bought this about 3 months back [13:34] I would give a much loved body part for a rootable one :) [13:35] I will just patiently wait for them to leak the new SBK however. [13:36] I should start to take bets on snow and my flight home for xmas! [13:37] is anyone else having trouble with Wine 1.3 in either 11.10 or 12.04 ? [13:37] Whatever ships with 11.10 broke SQLyog for me :( [13:38] Might get around to pinning an old version [13:38] ubuntubhoy, It seems to be working well for me, better than the previous person to be honest. What problem are you experiencing? [13:40] czajkowski: just book the train and ferry and save the heart ache [13:52] Buffet restaurant lunches : an exercise in gluttony AND disappointment [13:54] I don't miss thursday at my last place of work [13:54] "Disappointing curry day" [13:54] It's Thursday? [13:54] Gah, I'm missing another day [13:54] It is. [13:54] KrisDouglas, cant get kindle to install, or previous install to start [13:55] popey: got a moment to test something for me please? :) [13:55] ya [13:56] Yay [14:03] ubuntubhoy, do you run any other apps under wine? [14:03] yay for 4 day weeks :) [14:04] if you don't we could try resetting the bottle [14:04] sorry about the delayed response [14:04] NP [14:04] no, nothing else [14:05] Righto, open winetricks [14:06] select use default prefix, and then delete all data and applications [14:06] then close and try re-installing [14:08] no joy - same result [14:10] let me try, one sec [14:11] I presume it has worked before, I'm sure i know someone else who uses it [14:11] yeah [14:12] iirc it wont work with the latest Kindle app [14:12] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6297429/KindleForPC-installer.exe [14:12] thats an older one I have used a load of times before [14:12] ubuntubhoy: if it is that you just want to read your kindle books you can install chromium and the kindle web app and read it from the browser [14:12] Yeah, the installer doesn't even load from the one that's on the amazon website [14:13] davmor2, smart arse :) [14:13] davmor2, not keen on the web app [14:13] and cabalt is it, is a little cluttered [14:14] ubuntubhoy: No it's the official Amazon Kindle chrome application [14:14] yeah [14:15] not cabalt, calibre [14:15] nice app, but too cluttered [14:15] ubuntubhoy, I can't even get the installer you linked to load ;) [14:15] davmor2, using it on a touchscreen [14:15] ubuntubhoy, buy a kindle? :) [14:15] KrisDouglas, worse than me then [14:15] lol [14:16] Yeah, everything else works [14:16] K [14:16] cheers anyway [14:16] will see if I can find a wine 1.3 thats a little older somewhere [14:16] think its wine rather than Ubuntu [14:16] might be something I'm missing but i'm certain I have windows installer setup [14:17] if I had more time I would try running it from the command line and seeing what messages it was dumping [14:17] dont fret on it, was just checking if it was me or not [14:17] possibly, I am on the PPA latest version, so you and I may be experiencing similar issues [14:17] yeah, if your 1.3 you should be ppa [14:18] 1.2 is the standard repo version [14:18] but it wont work with 1.2 [14:18] that said its not working with 1.4 now either [14:18] 1.3* [15:00] I just read that Adobe are abandoning AIR for Linux so does this mean users won't be able to run Acroread any moer? [15:01] that is unrelated [15:01] It doesn't run on AIR? [15:05] not to my knowledge, but I could be wrong [15:05] thought it was just a native application [15:05] BBC iPlayer is an air thing [15:05] i agree with alanbell, acrobat doesnt use air on linux, [15:09] acroread is ancient [15:09] Does anyone actually use acroread on Linux though? [15:09] Yes, voluntary sector organisations [15:09] it's crucial for them [15:10] why? [15:10] all their funding applications have to be made on interactive pdf forms [15:10] evince effs them up [15:10] it's a deal breaker for them [15:10] ok, interesting [15:10] if they can't use acroread they'll have to stop using linux [15:10] have you reported it as a bug? [15:10] it's not a bug [15:10] is there a bug against evince for this? [15:10] yes it is [15:11] oh, sorry - evince lol [15:12] with examples would be helpful too... are the forms publicly available? [15:12] I installed acroread once on ubuntu and it is horrible and slow, so I use evince, never had any issue with it , but I don't come across interactive PDF files [15:12] they've always been a problem [15:13] they're unuseable [15:13] you can fill in a pdf and print it (sort of, though this isn't very good either) [15:13] but if you try to save them, they corrupt [15:13] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=480668 [15:14] Gnome bug 480668 in PDF "save user input in pdf fillable forms" [Enhancement,Resolved: fixed] [15:14] and people running Windows can't open the file [15:14] I couldn't open it again on Ubuntu either [15:15] I just install acroread for them - as far as I know it runs on AIR [15:15] I use it myself for funding applications [15:15] either way, the current version of acroread will still work [15:15] don't know if they are ever going to release any updates to it [15:15] yes, but eventually it'll become incompatible with current systems [15:15] surely? [15:16] they said they're not going to develop it anymore [15:16] no, not really [15:16] so it'll stay in the partner repos? [15:16] don't see why not [15:17] might not go into new partner repos, but you should be able to grab the .deb file from the older ones if it doesn't [15:17] and file bugs against evince if there are forms it doesn't work with [15:18] ok, in debian sid, under non-free repo, acroread has no depend on adobe air. so can be installed and ran without adobe air. conclusive. [15:18]