[02:50] <pleia2> 4 of us here at the ubuntu hour
[02:51] <pleia2> :)
[02:53]  * broder waves
[02:58] <akk> hi all!
[03:26] <dedalux> Hi
[03:29] <pleia2> hello dedalux
[03:29] <pleia2> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/6330024405/ from tonight :)
[03:30] <pleia2> picked up the thunderbird sickers at uds
[03:30] <pleia2> stickers
[03:30] <akk> Nice spread!
[18:32] <BotenAnna> http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/10/2552190/senate-defeats-bill-that-would-have-overturned-net-neutrality-rules yay!
[18:33] <BotenAnna> dystopian nightmare where the "real" internet is a darknet averted slightly!
[18:33] <nhaines> BotenAnna: I'm also happy about the "anti-bullying unless you think you should be able to bully" law in Michigan.
[18:33] <BotenAnna> haha yeah that was really freaking dumb
[18:35] <BotenAnna> and mississippi of all places, in the midst of a heated election where conservative candidates resoundingly won their seats, resoundingly defeated a proposition that a legal person is defined at conception
[18:35] <nhaines> BotenAnna: that's great.  can I claim a fetus as a tax deduction then?
[18:35] <BotenAnna> well not now youcan't!
[18:36] <nhaines> Communists!
[18:36] <BotenAnna> filthy satan liberals say that a baby has to be "born" :rolls eyes:
[18:37] <nhaines> I liked the part where it would make IVF murder.
[18:37] <BotenAnna> in all fairness, for the horrific things that would cause, there could be some really fun trolling
[18:37] <BotenAnna> 20.25 year olds demanding alcohol and the like
[18:37] <nhaines> 17.25 year olds voting.
[18:37] <BotenAnna> exactly
[18:43] <Faqtotum> i would have voted for perot
[19:09] <MarkDude> Anyone in Bay Area feel like being part of a zombie comic book photoshoot on Sat?
[19:09] <MarkDude> We have a makeup artist already, and the rest of the cast
[19:10] <MarkDude> Meeting at salon in WC, then to Oakland, and then Lake Merrit
[19:11] <nhaines> How did my server not have ntpd installed?  Fixing now.
[19:15] <nhaines> Well, 150 seconds isn't bad.
[20:29] <dragon> MarkDude: didn't know lake merrit was on the plan.
[20:30] <dragon> What IS the plan!?
[20:31] <MarkDude> Well those getting makeup meet up in WC
[20:31] <MarkDude> At Belle's studio
[20:31] <MarkDude> Stacy and Lyz are getting regular makeup done at 10-11
[20:32] <MarkDude> then we are having maybe 3 zombies done
[20:32] <dragon> I'm bringing an extra zombie.
[20:32] <dragon> Just in case.
[20:32] <MarkDude> No Nixie for this shoot
[20:32] <MarkDude> Cool
[20:32] <dragon> Yeah, Nixie is a busy chick.
[20:32] <MarkDude> She is closing her salon until 1pm
[20:32] <pleia2> there is another Lyz?
[20:32] <MarkDude> Ooops, yes, not the Princess
[20:37] <MarkDude> Although pleia2 would make for awesome zombie.... Idk that is a project that you would be interested in :D
[20:38] <MarkDude> dragon, maybe Sam wants to be standby zombie?
[20:38] <MarkDude> Stacy already asked a few people in local bands to join
[20:38] <MarkDude> Not sure on responses yet
[20:39] <pleia2> not really my scene :) (even if I did have the time, which I don't)
[20:39] <pleia2> am finally home this weekend (for once!), and I'm on call
[20:41] <dragon> MarkDude: that's be a good idea.
[20:41] <dragon> And that's the extra zombie I was referring to. :P
[20:41] <dragon> But makeup. How'd that work?
[20:41] <dragon> I can't really be there before 1:30pm.
[20:46] <Faqtotum> lovely, someone's using the xmpp gateway
[20:49] <dragon> Cougarswiss: Welcome to Ubuntu California LoCo.
[20:50] <Cougarswiss> Thank you dragon.
[20:50] <dragon> Faqtotum: easier than setting up an IRC client, I'd say.
[20:51] <Faqtotum> i typically use pidgin for xmpp, so it's the same to me
[20:53] <dragon> I wonder if this works: http://www.eagull.net/embed/ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic%irc.freenode.net@irc.talkr.im
[20:53] <dragon> Not on my network. My company restricts outgoing non-standard ports.
[20:53] <dragon> And this uses 8080.
[20:57] <Faqtotum> i get a blank page
[20:58] <dragon> To start with?
[20:58] <Faqtotum> no, after speaking a nick
[20:59] <Faqtotum> i said "ubuntu" and the speech recognition rendered it as "ubaldo"
[20:59] <dragon> okay, so irc.talkr.im doesn't like clients authenticated by SASL-Anon.
[20:59] <dragon> hahah
[20:59] <dragon> I hope you're pronouncing all the U's the same way.
[21:00] <dragon> and yeah, need to tweak this a bit more before it starts to support IRC.
[21:00] <dragon> That'd be like creating mibbit, then.
[21:01] <Faqtotum> mibbit is banned on freenode after severe abuses, mostly by one very bored british teenager
[21:11] <dragon> lol. I knew it was banned, but didn't know that it was one kid's job.
[21:11] <dragon> Mibbit was certainly doing it wrong.
[21:16] <Faqtotum> he wasn't an official reason, but it was a widely believed rumor at the time, for good reason
[21:18] <dragon> Yeah. They should just have made the IP addresses available.
[21:20] <dragon> Oh, talkr.im is doing it wrong too.
[21:20] <dragon> So one talkr.im user can spam and get the gateway blocked.
[21:20] <dragon> But not as wrong as mibbit. Gotta admin.
[21:20] <dragon> s/in/it/
[21:33] <Faqtotum> mibbit always showed the ip address and still does
[21:34] <Faqtotum> talkr.im is already banned in a number of channels
[21:35] <dragon> No surprise.
[21:35] <dragon> and if mibbit showed IP, why did it go down?
[21:37] <Faqtotum> appeared punitive to me
[21:37] <pleia2> by default it showed the IP in a /whois, the ircd had to be patched for it to show as a proper hostname, either way it was very easy to just block mibbit because of all the abuse
[21:38] <pleia2> we haven't blocked it entirely on another network I help manage, but it certainly is widely abused there too so we have to keep a close eye on it
[21:40] <Faqtotum> more and more networks are blocking mibbit now
[21:40] <Faqtotum> but that's much more recent
[21:41] <pleia2> we blocked them before freenode, but then loosened our policy
[21:41] <pleia2> our network only has about 3k users though
[21:50] <BotenAnna> it's unfortunate because mibbit is pretty useful
[21:50] <BotenAnna> i run a small irc server mainly for friends so i don't have more than one serious abuse attempt in history, and none with mibbit
[21:50] <BotenAnna> but i see how it becomes A Problem when you're bigger =\
[21:52] <Faqtotum> freenode is big.
[21:53] <Faqtotum> lilo got a lot of flack, but i never did get how he managed to manage it all
[21:56] <dragon> ah, makes sense.
[22:13] <MarkDude> dragon, You cant be earlier than 12:00?
[22:14] <MarkDude> We have plenty of people without makeup meeting at Lake Merit - her shop is closing for this, and will re-open at 1 pm
[22:14] <dragon> MarkDude: gotta be elsewhere 10am-noon.
[22:14] <dragon> I'd have to cancel that.
[22:15] <MarkDude> k
[22:15] <MarkDude> Well depends on if stacy can find another zombie
[22:15] <MarkDude> we have more townsfolk then zombies now
[22:16] <MarkDude> like a horde of 2 zombies is NOT a horde, at least 3 is
[22:16] <dragon> yep.
[22:16] <dragon> could you invite Cougarswiss (Sam) to the event btw?
[22:18] <Cougarswiss> Wait, what's going on?
[22:18] <dragon> Cougarswiss: talking about the upcoming photoshoot.
[22:19] <Cougarswiss> Okay.
[22:27] <BotenAnna> 21:53 < Faqtotum> lilo got a lot of flack, but i never did get how he managed to manage it all
[22:27] <BotenAnna> i cant speak for any specific drama here
[22:28] <BotenAnna> but i can say this: having been in charge of things wherein it is smaller but very drama-y, I have a decent amount of respect for people who do their best to corral large oss groups because they are also very drama-y
[22:30] <BotenAnna> and with oss it's even worse than just a group of friends, as they're often more sophisticated in using technical measures to poorly advocate for what they want and you have to deal with THAT too :(
[22:31] <dragon> Interesting.
[22:32] <BotenAnna> for any familiar with the bear gryllis meme "welp, i am mad about punctuation before my name in an irc chatroom, better drink my own pi--i mean ddos"
[22:55] <Faqtotum> BotenAnna: very very true
[23:55] <BotenAnna> ahahahahahaha, best daily wtf in a while http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Truth-Enough.aspx