[00:11] <gage_bw> might try lubuntu, hm
[00:38] <Space-Duck>  So I installed LAMP via tasksel and I'm trying to make a link between /var/www and my home dir.
[00:39] <Space-Duck> I'm looking at "Solutions 2" on this page: http://askubuntu.com/questions/46331/how-to-avoid-using-sudo-when-working-in-var-www
[00:39] <Space-Duck> But I don't quite understand what it means when it says "set the execute bit"
[00:40] <Space-Duck> Can some please hold my hand and help me through it?
[00:40] <Space-Duck> *someone
[01:07] <Space-Duck> great! no one held my hand and I ran the code for solution 1 and 2.... is that bad?
[01:38] <Hoer> Hey is this the right place for a noob to ask questions?
[01:41] <Space-Duck> I've been askin' and it's workout every day but today.
[01:42] <Space-Duck> *worked out
[01:42] <Space-Duck> I'm a noob at typing too
[01:49] <Zkuv> Есть кто?
[01:49] <well_laid_lawn> Zkuv: is that russian?
[01:49] <well_laid_lawn> !ru
[03:46] <jmcantrell> is there a way to have xfce remember my ssh passwords (similar to gnome)?
[03:48] <mxed> my  gnome  have  never remember  any passwords, think it must have to do with the  keyring
[03:49] <jmcantrell> mxed: it will if you tell it to
[03:49] <Unit193> You could always install seahorse
[03:50] <jmcantrell> Unit193: isn't seahorse just for managing the keys?
[03:52] <Unit193> Seems to handle passwords too, but I don't use it for really anything
[03:52] <jmcantrell> i take it you guys don't use ssh that much?
[03:53] <mxed> i use ssh all the time heh
[03:53] <Unit193> ^^ I'm using it now
[03:53] <Unit193> I, for the most part, have passwords disabled and force key
[03:53] <mxed> my keyring is the bad memory in my head heh
[03:55] <mxed> i have never got any intrusion in my ssh with having both root access and passords enabled.. just keep a good password routine
[03:57] <mxed> the only security i have is to limit authenthication time and switch port it use
[06:19] <StormStrikes>  I have a Dell Inspiron 1750 that when plugged into power and I shut down, it immediately reboots.  When on battery, it shuts down properly with no reboot.  Any suggestions or things I can check?  Running Xubuntu 11.10.
[07:04] <holstein> StormStrikes: i would check the bios actually
[07:04] <holstein> i dont think that has anything to do with the OS... but you could pull the hard drive out to confirm that
[07:09] <StormStrikes> Sorry for the delay in responding...Ive never had that problem before, that I can recall anyway...
[07:12] <holstein> StormStrikes: pulling the hard drive takes the OS out of the equation
[07:13] <StormStrikes> Okay, i can give that a try...havent thought of doing that...
[07:18] <StormStrikes> Im a little confused though.  If it werent the OS, why would it behave differently on power vs. battery?  Im getting the laptop out now though and trying your suggestion
[07:18] <holstein> not sure... the bios is aware of the battery too though
[07:18] <StormStrikes> true
[07:18] <holstein> its just a trouble shooting step... im not sure
[07:19] <StormStrikes> Oh crap, nice call
[07:19] <StormStrikes> It does the same thing with the hdd out.  But im checking the bios and I see nothing that would cause that behavior
[07:19] <holstein> hmmm
[07:20] <holstein> you could try resetting it
[07:20] <holstein> if its easy to get to the battery too
[07:20] <holstein> the cmos battery or whatever its called
[07:20] <holstein> leave the hard drive out for a bit
[07:20] <holstein> so you can play with it and not mess up the hard drive with the power going on and off
[07:20] <StormStrikes> oh, no, its not.  Well its not horribly difficult but not terribly easy either
[07:21] <holstein> StormStrikes: i would try the reset first
[07:21] <StormStrikes> Yeah, I got the hdd out now, its an ssd but still no sense in taking chances
[07:21] <holstein> and maybe google for a reset... i had a compaq with a reset switch
[07:21] <StormStrikes> pull the cmos battery first?
[07:21] <holstein> StormStrikes: not if its hard to get to
[07:22] <holstein> its a bit of a long shot too
[07:22] <holstein> i wouldnt go through too much hassle for it
[07:22] <StormStrikes> I did google, all I could find were references to laptop-mode-tools which wasnt installed, so I installed that but no difference
[07:23] <holstein> it could always just be something odd with the motherboard
[07:24] <holstein> i wouldnt lose sleep over it.. i mean, how often do we reboot these things anyways...
[07:24] <StormStrikes> yeah, true.  Ive been running linux on it for a while, I wonder if there are any bios updates for it.  But that would mean having to run windows to install it.
[07:24] <StormStrikes> True, it just kind of bugged me, none of my other laptops do that
[07:24] <holstein> maybe... sometimes there are bootables for the bios updates
[07:33] <StormStrikes> Well what do you know, there looks to be a way to flash bios updates in linux
[07:33] <holstein> wow... thats friendly :)
[07:33] <StormStrikes> Yeah, dell has provide instructions on how to do so..
[08:09] <StormStrikes> okay, according to the procedure, my bios was already the current version
[08:22] <StormStrikes> If anyone wishes to check and see if their Dell laptop has an up-to-date bios flash, they can go here: http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Repository/firmware
[08:40] <loxs> can I have a "minimize window" desktop shortcut? How can I set it up?
[08:40] <loxs> *keyboard shortcut
[09:03] <ochosi> loxs: have you tried alt+f9?
[09:05] <loxs> ochosi, thanks. but how can I customize that?
[09:05] <TheSheep> loxs: in window manager settings
[09:06] <ochosi> loxs: settings manager > window manager > keyboard
[09:06] <loxs> oh, I'm using compiz... so I guess somewhere in its settings
[09:07] <ochosi> hah, fail > wrong-chan ;)
[09:18] <chelz> would i miss out on anything if i went from a base system to xfce by installing xubuntu-desktop?
[09:19] <ochosi> chelz: nothing xubuntu-specific. but i'm not sure whether there'd be some ubuntu components "missing" (maybe you wouldn't even miss them at all ;) )
[09:22] <chelz> yeah hm i wonder. i gotta draw up some package lists
[09:27] <zenrox> nope on useing xubuntu-desktop meta package
[09:28] <zenrox> but you might have to remover some ubuntu stuff to get a pure xubuntu desktop
[09:29] <ochosi> hm, i guess that depends on what you call a "base"-install. i answered under the assumption that chelz was referring to a "server" install
[09:30] <ochosi> if on the other hand, you were referring to a standard ubuntu-install, i guess you'd have to drop quite a few packages to get down to a default xubuntu desktop, as zenrox rightfully pointed out
[09:31] <zenrox> i assumed we was going from a ubuntu-desktop install to a xubuntu-desktop install
[09:31] <ochosi> yup
[09:44] <chelz> i was figuring 'server'. or basically no x stuff at all. dunno if you can do that with the alternate installer
[09:48] <zenrox> yes you can
[09:48] <zenrox> it will pull in every thang it needs
[09:52] <chelz> zenrox: you can install headless with the alternate disc?
[09:55] <zenrox> dont think so but you can remove it once you installed it
[09:56] <well_laid_lawn> you type   cli   at the cd menu
[09:56] <well_laid_lawn> or at least that's how it used to be
[09:56] <zenrox> thares your answer
[09:56] <zenrox> i am shure its still the same
[09:57] <well_laid_lawn> probably is
[10:43] <loki__> hello world!
[11:58] <pimperle> hi
[11:58] <pimperle> is there some repository to get xfapplet for oneric?
[11:59] <pimperle> it looks as if a lot of tools and programs were removed from (x)ubuntu from natty to oneiric
[11:59] <pimperle> tsclient is also missing
[11:59] <pimperle> but most annoyingly i miss some of the gnome plugins and xfapplet
[12:05] <ochosi> pimperle: true, no clue why xfapplet isn't in the repos anymore
[12:06] <pimperle> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/amd64/xfce4-xfapplet-plugin
[12:06] <pimperle> is says "old gnome-panel 2 applet"
[12:06] <pimperle> but it was an applet for xfce
[12:06] <ochosi> oh lord
[12:06] <pimperle> the only reason i could think of is, that it didn't accept version 3 plugins
[12:06] <knome> i suppose it's because it can oly support GNOME2 applets
[12:06] <pimperle> some of the gnome-applets have been removed as well
[12:07] <pimperle> couldn't they just hack together some 3in2 and 2in3 wrappers and leave everyone with their applet
[12:07] <ochosi> yeah, well, replaced by gnome3 i'd presume
[12:07] <ochosi> not really, gnome2 uses gtk2 and gnome3 uses gtk3, the two don't easily work together
[12:07] <pimperle> sofar gtk3 has been a total regression for me
[12:08] <pimperle> plugins missing, themes not fully developed
[12:08] <ochosi> well, as a user of xfce i don't care too much (yet)
[12:08] <pimperle> and perfectly good applications like tsclient have been removed solely because they don't fully support gtk3
[12:09] <pimperle> yes, i use xfce as well, but some of the plugins were only available in gnome
[12:44] <Gremuchnik> weird: my updated manager just popped up with 11 updates, I pressed "install" and the packages were downloaded without me entering my password?!  Did that also happen to anybody else here?!
[14:01] <Seomah> hi
[14:01] <Seomah> need some help with my dual boot
[14:02] <Seomah> anybody there?
[14:04] <ablomen> Seomah, yes, but if there's someone here that has an answer depends on your question, so ask it :)
[14:05] <Seomah> thanks ablomen. I have a dual boot with xubuntu 11.10 and win7 and runs with no problem, but i want to change the default operating system
[14:06] <Seomah> the help i found needs me to chane my menu.lst but i have no such file
[14:06] <Seomah> *change
[14:06] <Sysi> !grub2
[14:09] <Sysi> so, "gksudo leafpad /etc/default/grub" and change GRUB_DEFAULT=0 to GRUB_DEFAULT="Stupid Windows (title)"
[14:09] <knome> :P
[14:12] <Seomah> thanks Sysi. I need to default windows so my wife can enter windows and not this "strange thingy I put here"
[14:12] <Sysi> you didn't put firefox launcher on desktop for her?
[14:12] <knome> heh
[14:13] <knome> well done Sysi
[14:14] <Sysi> knome: besides pure conservativeness and need for MS Office, it's about that
[14:14] <knome> who needs miss office as there is the mister office
[14:14] <knome> ;)
[14:16] <Sysi> I think libresse-office would not be "mister" :/
[14:17] <Seomah> When the first question you get is "What was the need to change anything if it was going alright?" then the best thing to do is leave win7 as it was and press a key at the start
[14:18] <Sysi> she'll notice within half a year, although win7 is quite solid
[14:19] <knome> Seomah, the best thing is to tell her "it's free"
[14:20] <Seomah> windows it's free for her too. I'm paying for everything
[14:20] <knome> Seomah, "you'll get one more purse every year"
[14:20] <Sysi> windows is cheaper
[14:20] <Seomah> it's worse than that
[14:20] <Seomah> it's windows 7 starter
[14:20] <knome> hah
[14:32] <Seomah> ok I'm leaving. Thanks Sysi and knome
[16:17] <xubuntu150> i have an acer aspire one netbook and my wireless wont enable. Any help?
[16:19] <xubuntu150> ?
[16:27] <mneptok> anyone have any ideas as to why desktop background pictures seem to be displayed with a very small (256?) color palette, while other images display just fine?
[16:33] <ochosi> mneptok: sounds odd. no clue why that could be
[16:41] <Myrtti> mneptok: only in xfce?
[17:13] <telsh> hey ho!
[17:13] <telsh> @devs:
[17:13] <telsh> Thanks! Gracie! Danke! Merci! :)
[17:13] <Gremuchnik> howdi ya'll: my updated manager just popped up with 11 updates, I pressed "install" and the packages were downloaded without me entering my password?!  Did that also happen to anybody else here?!
[17:14] <hobgoblin> it's default behaviour now Gremuchnik
[17:15] <hobgoblin> there is some info somewhere - I'll find it
[17:15] <hobgoblin> Gremuchnik: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Update_Manager_doesn.27t_prompt_for_security_updates
[17:17] <Gremuchnik> hobgoblin, thanks for the info.  wow!  I am not at all sure I like this "feature"...  I need to think about this some more
[17:17] <Gremuchnik> but thanks for the link :-)
[17:17] <hobgoblin> :)
[17:18] <hobgoblin> you;re not alone in not being sure
[17:18] <Gremuchnik> I wonder - do Ubuntu decisions on such matter automatically mean that Xubuntu, Kubutu, Lubuntu etc.... do likewise?
[17:22] <hobgoblin> I' dhave to guess so
[17:23] <Gremuchnik> why?  I thought that Xubuntu was 100% community run and that it was not bound by whatever bizarre freak features Shuttleworth and Canonical would come up with...
[17:23] <hobgoblin> no idea
[17:30] <mneptok> Myrtti: XFCE is the only DE installed.
[17:32] <pleia2> Gremuchnik: please try to be nice, we value respect of everyone within our community here
[17:32] <pleia2> Gremuchnik: I don't think what you say is strictly true, but in general it's easier for a community-run distro like xubuntu to make similar decisions because it's centrally supported rather than maintaining everything ourselves
[17:36] <Sysi> canonical has all copyrights for everything that has "ubuntu" in it's name, xubuntu will always be related to canonical-ubuntu
[17:45] <Gremuchnik> pleia2, I am nice, I was characterizing what I call "freak features" and not any person in the community.  Whether my characerization of these feature is correct or not is subjective, an expression of my opinion, and does not need to be censored by doubleplusgoodthinking "nicety" enforcers, IMHO :-)
[17:45] <pleia2> now you're calling me a "doubleplusgoodthinking "nicety" enforcer"
[17:46] <pleia2> please don't
[17:46] <Gremuchnik> by implication, and in reply, but ok. I take it back
[18:00] <tsaavik> hey all, I'm trying to modify my PATH in .profile, but when I open a xfce-terminal my changes are not taking affect, am i barking up the wrong tree?
[18:01] <telsh> tried to set it as an login-shell?
[18:02] <tsaavik> yeah, same issue
[18:02] <tsaavik> I removed something from my path and added something new.
[18:02] <tsaavik> The old entry is still there and the new isn't
[18:02] <telsh> is there a .bash_profile in your home dir?
[18:02] <tsaavik> yes, but there are no PATH definitions in it
[18:03] <telsh> then it is read and the file .profile is ignored
[18:03] <telsh> at least if you start in a bash
[18:03] <tsaavik> ah awesome. Lemme try that
[18:03] <tsaavik> yes, I run bash
[18:03] <telsh> k.
[18:05] <tsaavik> awesome, I was able to add the new path. The old paths are still stuck in there, but i can live with that :D
[18:05] <telsh> you may write it like that:
[18:06] <telsh> PATH="/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/your/path"
[18:06] <telsh> and the "old" paths will no longer be there.
[18:06] <telsh> it's just a thing of removing the "$PATH"
[18:09] <theplic> hi, the directory menu icon in the bottom panel in xubuntu 11.10 has "open in terminal" for all the underlying directories but they are not working. how do i retrieve the error log for the action?
[18:21] <telsh> theplic, set the default Terminal in your xfce settings. Then it will work.
[18:22] <theplic> telsh, in preferred applications? its set to xfce terminal
[18:27] <theplic> the thing it works via the right click context menu. just not from the directory menu panel item.
[18:27] <theplic> would just like to look at the error the action generates
[18:33] <telsh> theplic, just had a look at "~/.xsession-errors", there seems to be no error about it in there.
[18:34] <telsh> but I set it to "Debian default" and now it works.
[18:39] <theplic> telsh, debian default? i only have a debian x terminal emulator as a choice
[18:42] <telsh> sounds great! ;)
[18:42] <telsh> what does it do?
[18:48] <theplic> telsh, lol it works. but i dont understand
[18:50] <telsh> the other possible settings are possibly not installed/setup correctly/something like that...
[18:50] <theplic> telsh, but it works within thunar !
[18:50] <theplic> theres a rat somewhere not doing his job right! xD
[18:50] <telsh> doesn't this use the same setting?
[18:51] <telsh> hehe.. guess so.. ;)
[18:51] <theplic> i mean it was working with "xfce terminal" within thunar
[18:52] <telsh> ah, ok. well, I can't answer that, sorry. would have to dig deeper and don't have time for that.
[18:53] <theplic> telsh, ah ok. thanks tho. i just wanted to see the error logs. ill ask some more later
[18:59] <telsh> you're welcome.
[19:28] <ushills> Hi, for some reason my windows in xubuntu 11.11 have lost all of their buttons, menu, title etc.  How can I restore?
[19:29] <ushills> Also what DM should I be using lightDM omits shutdown, restore etc.
[19:37] <Sysi> ushills: xfwm4 --replace
[19:37] <Sysi> rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions and save session next time you're on logout window
[19:39] <ushills> sysi: do you mean type both commands into a terminal,
[19:46] <Sysi> first one is better to Alt F2 run command dialog
[19:55] <ushills> thanks
[20:12] <holyghetto> hi all
[20:58] <gry> Does xfce panel have a "flexible space" item like Firefox does? http://i.imgur.com/KUzet.png How do I set the top panel to display applications menu at the left, and clock at the right, for example?(It would need to have a huge empty space in the middle.)  :)
[21:01] <Unit193> gry: You can move those objects around, just right click > move (If I understand you correctly)
[21:01] <gry> They stay at the left.
[21:03] <knowledgeus> i need help asap
[21:03] <knowledgeus> anyone here
[21:03] <knowledgeus> im running xubuntu and my wireless switich was off during the installation
[21:04] <knowledgeus> and now that its installed
[21:04] <knowledgeus> my wireless wont enable when i try to enable it via the OS
[21:04] <knowledgeus> any help will be highly appreciated
[21:05] <gry> What message do you get when you try to enable it?
[21:05] <knowledgeus> i click on it ot enable it
[21:05] <knowledgeus> but it will automatically disable it
[21:05] <knowledgeus> i don't get any msges at all
[21:06] <knowledgeus> ive tried ubuntu knopix fedora
[21:06] <knowledgeus> and now on xubuntu and they all do the same thing
[21:06] <knowledgeus> im unable to enable the wireless feature
[21:07] <knowledgeus> gry, anything
[21:07] <Unit193> gry: I got it now, but I haven't seen that, sorry
[21:08] <holstein> knowledgeus: you can try the LIVE cd you installed from (assuming thats what you used) to confirm this, but its likely that the fact it was off during installation is unrelated
[21:08] <holstein> knowledgeus: you can open a terminal and run lspci
[21:08] <holstein> you can look there for your wifi device
[21:09] <holstein> you can paste that line here and someone can help you find help... or try google with 'ubuntu *name or wifi device*
[21:10] <holstein> gry: yeah... AFAIK, the panel is not really like that
[21:10] <holstein> its more lean though
[21:11] <gry> How can I do what I described? Is creating two panels the only option?
[21:13] <holstein> gry: AFAIK, you put in a seperator and set it to Expand
[21:13] <gry> How do I set it to do that?
[21:13] <gry> Oh, found it. thank you!
[21:13] <holstein> then, you get the items in the proper order and whatever size the panel is, it should just fill the space in between
[21:14] <holstein> gry: yeah, just right click and poke around :)
[21:19] <knowledgeus> ok let me get on the xubuntu
[21:19] <knowledgeus> ill see if i can write what comes up here
[21:20] <knowledgeus> hmmmmm
[21:20] <holstein> !paste
[21:20] <knowledgeus> can i had xubuntu the last installation witht he swicth on and it worked
[21:20] <knowledgeus> now with it off
[21:20] <knowledgeus> im fucked it wont work
[21:21] <w30> knowledgeus, my dell laptop has a fn wireless toggle switch that doesn't toggle back on in Linux either, I have to go into bios and enable it again even though bios says it's enabled.
[21:21] <knowledgeus> how can i do this w30
[21:21] <holstein> knowledgeus: this is an official support channel, so keep it 'family friendly' if you dont mind :)
[21:21] <holstein> and, i have also seen what w30 is talking about
[21:22] <holstein> you can always get the live CD like i suggested.. the live CD that 'worked' and confirm that the hardware is in a state that is wifi capable
[21:22] <w30> knowledgeus, when the laptop boots enter bios settings and enable it in your bios settings before any operating system boots
[21:23] <knowledgeus> ok let me give that a try
[21:23] <holstein> w30: was that a dell? i think i experienced that on a dell
[21:25] <w30> holstein, as a matter of fact yes. It is a 1525n model from Dell with ubuntu factory installed. I long ago scratch installed a newer Ubuntu though
[21:28] <knowledgeus> ok
[21:28] <knowledgeus> i went into bios
[21:28] <knowledgeus> and netowrk was already enabled so
[21:28] <knowledgeus> i disabled and enabled it again
[21:28] <knowledgeus> ima give it a try now to boot it
[21:28] <knowledgeus> also
[21:28] <knowledgeus> after installing liinux on this system and the prmary os
[21:28] <knowledgeus> i can't boot a xp cd to install it
[21:29] <holstein> knowledgeus: i was assuming you had seen the WIFI working on a live CD
[21:29] <knowledgeus> it seems it goes straight to the linux os and not bios and all to read the bootable xp cd for installation
[21:29] <holstein> thats the CD im suggesting you boot
[21:29] <knowledgeus> its a netbook
[21:29] <holstein> the one where WIFI 'just worked'
[21:29] <knowledgeus> i got no cdrom
[21:29] <knowledgeus> i use a external
[21:29] <holstein> knowledgeus: right
[21:29] <holstein> however you installed the OS
[21:29] <holstein> that disc
[21:29] <knowledgeus> yea by usb
[21:29] <holstein> that im assuming is live
[21:29] <holstein> that USB stick then
[21:30] <holstein> boot that, and confirm that the wifi is working as expected
[21:30] <w30> knowledgeus, if you can wire network the laptop it will make Ubuntu able to go to the repos and download a driver for you.
[21:30] <knowledgeus> ok
[21:30] <knowledgeus> so i just plug it back in
[21:30] <knowledgeus> ok
[21:30] <knowledgeus> ima connect it
[21:30] <knowledgeus> where and how do i go to repos
[21:30] <holstein> ?
[21:30] <holstein> knowledgeus: the repositories?
[21:31] <knowledgeus> yea
[21:31] <holstein> all the package managers will have access to them
[21:31] <knowledgeus> where do i go to see the repos
[21:31] <holstein> if all is as it should be on a fresh install
[21:31] <knowledgeus> im new to the whole linux os
[21:31] <holstein> knowledgeus: you can go to whatever package manager you choose to use
[21:31] <holstein> software center, synaptic (if its still there)
[21:31] <knowledgeus> exactly idk what package manager i have
[21:31] <w30> knowledgeus, you can use the additional drivers application to look for drivers you might need. It will do it for you.
[21:32] <knowledgeus> the software center?
[21:32] <holstein> knowledgeus: i think that comes default.. i might have installed it to test something the other day though
[21:33] <holstein> it will be obvious in the menu though
[21:33] <holstein> just try poking around in the menu a bit, and ask if you need help with something in particular
[21:34] <w30> knowledgeus, look in settings, additional drivers and see if it offers a wireless driver to install for you
[21:34] <knowledgeus> when i plug in the usb
[21:35] <knowledgeus> where do i go from there?
[21:35] <knowledgeus> ok
[21:35] <knowledgeus> its searching
[21:35] <knowledgeus> lets see if it picks it up
[21:36] <knowledgeus> damn
[21:36] <knowledgeus> i know for a fact its cuz of the switch
[21:36] <knowledgeus> its happened to me before
[21:36] <knowledgeus> but i was always able to go back to xp
[21:36] <knowledgeus> but this time around  CAN'T
[21:36] <holstein> knowledgeus: did you see it in ubuntu?
[21:36] <knowledgeus> no drivers needed it told me
[21:36] <holstein> did it work in ubuntu?
[21:36] <holstein> xubuntu?
[21:36] <knowledgeus> yes
[21:36] <holstein> for certain?
[21:36] <holstein> ok
[21:37] <knowledgeus> but then i had swithced it off when i went to install xbuntu
[21:37] <knowledgeus> and now it wont work
[21:37] <holstein> so, its something with the hardware then, and assuming you are correct about it working before, that is all it can be
[21:37] <knowledgeus> it also worked with kubuto whatever its called
[21:37] <holstein> you have confirmed with the live USB that accessed it before, and thats not working
[21:37] <holstein> that takes the installed OS out of the equation
[21:38] <holstein> knowledgeus: you can also open a terminal and type in there...
[21:38] <holstein> lspci
[21:38] <knowledgeus> im installing some wireless manager to see
[21:38] <holstein> hit the enter key, and look for the line about the wifi device
[21:38] <holstein> you can type that here, or use pastebin
[21:39] <knowledgeus> k i typed that in terminal
[21:39] <holstein> ok
[21:40] <holstein> you need me to repeat the rest?
[21:41] <knowledgeus> i don't see anything anywhere bout wifi
[21:41] <holstein> knowledgeus: you can just grab the whole thing and put it in pastebin
[21:41] <holstein> but, that is supporting the hardware theory
[21:42] <holstein> that the machine/bios, or whatever is not initializing it
[21:42] <holstein> knowledgeus: do this
[21:42] <holstein> take the machine, shut it *completely* off
[21:42] <knowledgeus> k
[21:42] <holstein> take the powercord out and the battery
[21:42] <knowledgeus> k
[21:42] <holstein> let it set for a sec, and boot the main OS
[21:42] <knowledgeus> the main os is xbuut
[21:42] <holstein> then, you can troubleshoot from there... i have to run... good luck
[21:43] <knowledgeus> the whole netbook is a xubuntu
[21:43] <knowledgeus> k
[21:43] <holstein> knowledgeus: you can take the hard drive out if it makes you more comfortable
[21:43] <knowledgeus> yea i feel ima need to formate the hdd
[21:43] <holstein> if you dont see it on that live USB, then the installed os wont see it
[21:43] <holstein> its *not* the OS
[21:43] <holstein> anyways... good luck :)
[21:46] <pteague_work> looking over the new package adobe-flashplugin ... it requires xfs ?
[21:47] <knowledgeus> linux can be so hard sometimes
[21:47] <antnash> Maybe I'll be noticed in here. Can I upgrade the linux kernel from source?
[21:47] <pteague_work> ah, guess that's just a suggestion...
[21:48] <antnash> Or more importantly, how do I install drivers and firmwares that wouldn't necessarily be installed on a fresh system?
[21:52] <antnash_> I d/c'd. Did anyone try and let me know answers to either/both of my questions?
[21:56] <w30> antnash_, you can compile and install any kernel you want but drivers are usually modules so if you install the appropiate module you negate the need to compile a kernel
[21:57] <antnash_> w30, how do I install the module?
[21:57] <antnash_> My DVB-S2 card works on one version of linux, but not ubuntu
[21:58] <w30> antnash_, usr the software center; synaptic for gui or apt-get for commandline
[21:58] <antnash_> what do I need to install for dvb modules?
[21:59] <w30> antnash_, in synaptic use the search box for your driver name or some relevant term
[21:59] <w30> antnash_, then synaptic will install it and enable it most likely
[22:01] <w30> antnash_, I am not familiar with a DVB-S2 card; What's that?
[22:01] <antnash_> a digital satellite receiver
[22:02] <antnash_> trying to search for the make of it brings up nothing
[22:02] <well_laid_lawn> if evdev/udev found the card and there was a module for it the module would have been loaded
[22:02] <antnash_> evdev/udev?
[22:04] <well_laid_lawn> it's what finds the hardware
[22:05] <antnash_> well_laid_lawn, I have a media centre with OpenELEC (a linux distro with nothing but the essentials and XBMC as an interface) which picks it up fine.
[22:06] <well_laid_lawn> sounds like it uses a kernel that was built differently
[22:07] <w30> antnash_, if you install linux kernel headers you can compile and install just a kernel module for your present kernel
[22:07] <antnash_> aha! How the hell do I do that
[22:16] <w30> antnash_, just install linux-headers from synaptic's repositories and then compile your module according to it's README
[22:17] <Gremuchnik> Hi, is there a "mount cache" I can purge?  I mounted a disk, then unmounted it, but the shortcut to remount it is stuck on my desktop...
[22:17] <Gremuchnik> or how do I make XFCE rescan the mountable devices?
[22:19] <Gremuchnik> thunar also 'sees' this disk which is not there anymore, btw
[22:19] <well_laid_lawn> Gremuchnik: does the command   mount   still show it?
[22:25] <Gremuchnik> well_laid_lawn, no, it does not
[22:26] <well_laid_lawn> why did you mount it - did the os not do that?
[22:26] <w30> antnash_, try this site: http://www.tbsdtv.com/english/Download.html
[22:27] <w30> ant for drivers, modules, whatever
[22:27] <Gremuchnik> it was an iso image which I had made from a movie.  I used gmount-iso to mount it and check it, then I had to manually umount it
[22:28] <antnash_> Cheers w30, that's the wrong brand tho. Tried what it says on the website for my card. No love.
[22:29] <Gremuchnik> is there a way for me to make the XCFE desktop or Thunar rescan my system for mountable devices?
[22:29] <antnash_> installing v4l now
[22:30] <well_laid_lawn> Gremuchnik: is the a dir in /media for it?
[22:30] <well_laid_lawn> s/the/there/
[22:30] <Gremuchnik> not anymore, I took it out. there was one
[22:30] <well_laid_lawn> should have tried unmounting that
[22:30] <Gremuchnik> maybe I need to restart the volume daemon, but I am unsure as to how to do that
[22:30] <Gremuchnik> did
[22:32] <Gremuchnik> I guess I can do sudo unmount -a and see what happens
[22:32] <well_laid_lawn> I don't know how to get mounts rescanned... if you right click the icon what options are there
[22:32] <well_laid_lawn> ?
[22:32] <w30> antnash_, brands sometimes do and sometime not make a difference, like video cards it depends on the chips inside sometimes the same model will change chips on different version numbers
[22:33] <w30> antnash_, it's hell sometimes
[22:33] <Gremuchnik> tried clicking the icon, the choices suck: open, mount, application are the only choices
[22:34] <Gremuchnik> I wonder where/how XFCE/Thunar get the info that this ISO is still there...
[22:35] <well_laid_lawn> tried selecting the mount option then there should be an unmount option?
[22:35] <well_laid_lawn> probably stores the info in .cache
[22:36] <Gremuchnik> no umount option, only "mount volume"
[22:36] <Gremuchnik> which .cache file?
[22:36] <Gremuchnik> shall I just try 'sync'??
[22:37] <well_laid_lawn> I meant select the mount option now and then check for a unmount option
[22:38] <Gremuchnik> I can show you in flood what message I get if I try the mount option
[22:38] <msknight> Hi. Anyone ready for a challenge?
[22:38] <well_laid_lawn> !paste | Gremuchnik
[22:39] <Gremuchnik> ok
[22:39] <msknight> Situation ... client - 64 bit machine running xubuntu 32 bit.
[22:39] <msknight> Server - OpenIndiana publishing an smb share.
[22:40] <Gremuchnik> well_laid_lawn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/734720/
[22:40] <msknight> The share is mounted on the xubuntu machine.
[22:41] <msknight> If I compress a directory to create a .tar.zip file on the local machine, it works. Whether I transfer it to the server via cp (to the mounted share) or even ftp it ... when I try and read it back, it is regarded as corrupt.
[22:41] <well_laid_lawn> Gremuchnik: that's what happens when mount can't find stuff
[22:42] <well_laid_lawn> more then likely it was what gmount or whatever it was did
[22:42] <msknight> If I browse to a music file on the mounted directory, I can play music and film no problems.
[22:42] <msknight> This is what has me stumped.
[22:43] <msknight> A file already on the server, works fine.  A file transferred to the server, whether ftp or cp via the mounted share, goes loopy.
[22:46] <msknight> Oh, hang on - scratch that.
[22:46] <msknight> Looks like ftp transfer works.
[22:47] <Gremuchnik> right
[22:47] <Gremuchnik> well_laid_lawn, any idea as to how I fix that now?
[22:47] <well_laid_lawn> Gremuchnik: a logout/login might do it - apart from that I don't know...
[22:47] <Gremuchnik> ok
[22:47] <Gremuchnik> I will try that
[22:47] <Gremuchnik> thanks
[22:48] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[22:50] <msknight> Zip file is 492 meg. cp to the share failed with IO error.
[22:50] <msknight> Could be a file size over mount?
[22:52] <msknight> failed in about 450 meg copied. Anyone heard of this before please?
[22:53] <lordjj> What's the name of the dock app in Xubuntu 11.10?
[22:53] <well_laid_lawn> xfce4-panel
[22:53] <lordjj> Is it xfce specific?
[22:53] <well_laid_lawn> I used to use it in fluxbox
[22:54] <lordjj> will installing download too many libs I dnt need for gnome?
[22:54] <well_laid_lawn> I don't think so - you can check that in synaptic
[22:55] <lordjj> It looks like it...
[22:59] <msknight> Anyone?
[23:02] <msknight> What am I, invisible?
[23:03] <Unit193> Who said that?
[23:04] <msknight> Someone who needs help please.
[23:05] <Unit193> Try using rsync, it'll resume too (Reading up a bit)
[23:05] <msknight> I'll give it a shot.
[23:07] <msknight> Failed. error in file IO at receiver.c(752) - connection unexpectedly closed
[23:08] <msknight> It's saying that "close failed"
[23:08] <msknight> To my amateur mind, the transfer is fine, but when finalisation happens, something goes wrong.
[23:09] <panthar> Do other files work?
[23:10] <msknight> Yes. Seems to be related to file length. Doing further tests.
[23:11] <Unit193> 700M file is working just fine over smb
[23:11] <panthar> On msknight's computer?
[23:11] <Unit193> No, here
[23:12] <msknight> 81,000 bytes worked, 145,227 bytes failed.
[23:13] <msknight> 115,019 also failed
[23:14] <msknight> 91,738 worked
[23:19] <msknight> Also using Dolphin to copy files - same thing. It looks like if I hit the 100,000 byts mark, the transfer fails.
[23:30] <msknight> Downward transfer works fine.
[23:40] <msknight> Probably a stupid question, but are there any other "mounts" I could try?
[23:42] <falken_> hi all. can anyone tell me how to get Ubuntu to recognise my new internal wireless pci card? I believe the drivers are included in the kernel. It does not seem to work automatically.
[23:42] <beardygnome> msknight: came in half way through, so not sure what you are using now
[23:43] <well_laid_lawn> falken_: does the wifi card show in   ifconfig -a   ?
[23:43] <msknight> beardygnome, I'm using - mount from util-linux 2.19.1 (with libblkid and selinux support)
[23:43] <beardygnome> what are you mounting?
[23:43] <falken_> it shows in lspci is that the same?
[23:43] <well_laid_lawn> nope
[23:43] <falken_> beardy: it says: 09:04.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection (rev 05)
[23:44] <msknight> An SMB share put out from a ZFS pool on OpenIndiana 151a built on Sept 2011
[23:45] <beardygnome> why are you mounting it?  can't you just access it over smb?
[23:45] <msknight> I have automatic scripts to back up mail, etc.
[23:45] <falken_> beardygnome: http://paste.ubuntu.com/734770/
[23:45] <beardygnome> and they don't work over smb?
[23:46] <beardygnome> falken_: i think you meant to direct that to well_laid_lawn :-)
[23:46] <msknight> How do I test that? I've only ever mounted shares
[23:46] <falken_> oh sorry yes i did! thanks
[23:47] <falken_> well_laid_lawn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/734770/
[23:47] <beardygnome> msknight: in thunar, you should be able to go to smb://<server>/<share>/
[23:47] <beardygnome> sorry, that should have been smb: //<server>/<share>/
[23:48] <beardygnome> without the space between the : and the //
[23:48] <msknight> testing now
[23:48] <well_laid_lawn> falken_: there's no wlan0 there so you'll have to try a few steps in this link
[23:48] <well_laid_lawn> !wifi
[23:49] <falken_> thanks well laid I will check there
[23:50] <well_laid_lawn> !tab | falken_
[23:51] <falken_> well_laid_lawn: ah thank you!
[23:51] <falken_> just did it there.
[23:51] <msknight> That's worked.
[23:51] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[23:51] <msknight> So how do I get around having to put a username and password in the smb section of the scripts?
[23:52] <msknight> Also, sections of the home directory are mounted.
[23:52] <beardygnome> msknight: do you have the same username and password on each system?
[23:52] <msknight> No. Different.
[23:53] <beardygnome> i'm not sure what you mean by "sections of the home directory are mounted"
[23:53] <beardygnome> i'll answer the username/password connection first.
[23:53] <msknight> The SMB is mounted within the home directory. It holds picture collections, etc.
[23:55] <beardygnome> when you connect using thunar, you should have the option to "forget password immediately", "remember password until you logout" or "remember password forever"
[23:56] <msknight> OK - hang on, I'll fire up Thunar
[23:57] <beardygnome> i have the same username on both systems, so i'm not sure what options you get if you have different usernames
[23:57] <beardygnome> i always choose the first option, but if you should be able to use either of the other two to mean that the password is stored in your keyring
[23:58] <msknight> So how do I put it in the script?  Connection is smb://user@server/share
[23:58] <beardygnome> either until you logout or permanently
[23:58] <beardygnome> what are you using int he
[23:58] <beardygnome> in the script to do the backups?
[23:58] <msknight> zip