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pooliecan i use pycentral across all of hardy..oneiric?01:46
Riddellpoolie: yes, pycentral isn't new01:58
pooliei knew it was old; i wondered if it was too deprecated02:01
pooliethanks though02:01
Riddellpoolie: using dh_python2 is more fashionable than using pycentral02:03
mwhudsonbut doesn't work on even lucid, right?02:03
Riddellright, it's newer02:04
* micahg thinks there's a workitem to backport dh_python2 to lucid02:21
micahgpoolie: pycentral has been deprecated as well02:22
broderi think there are plans to demote it to universe this cycle02:22
micahgwell, hopefully we can just finish the transition and drop it from the archive02:23
micahg943 packages to go02:24
* broder is a bit skeptical whether that's the best use of developer time this cycle02:24
* micahg has a few other things he'd like to drop as well that require transitions02:25
taladoni'm getting this when i try to build gnome-nettool http://pastebin.com/qNC0NEyu   not sure what I need to satisfy configure02:36
taladonhmm, think I may have just figured it out... just did apt-get install gtk2.6 252meg download02:39
brodertaladon: there are a few ways to figure this out. you can use "apt-get build-dep gnome-nettool"02:40
broderif you're working from the debian package, you can also look at debian/control for the "Build-Depends" line02:40
taladonalready tried that... but it didn't grab the gtk2.602:40
taladoni'm pulling branch from launchpad02:41
brodertaladon: did you grab an old version of gnome-nettool? the current one shouldn't need gtk202:42
taladoni did a bzr branch lp:gnome-nettool02:46
pooliemicahg, thanks03:10
pooliei think at the moment i don't totally need either of them03:10
pooliethis is the lp-buildd package, so it's quite special03:10
pittiGood morning06:14
porthoseWould a kind archive admin please process bug #888212, thx :)06:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 888212 in Ubuntu "Sync openteacher 2.2.1-1 (universe) from Debian testing (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88821206:55
dholbachgood morning07:46
Davieycjwatson: Good morning, can i ask if bug 833994 is on your roadmap for precise?07:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 833994 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "debian-installer does not support https when using with preseed files" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83399407:59
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cjwatsonDaviey: not at the moment; if somebody could work on slimming down wget-udeb I'd probably take a patch09:02
Davieycjwatson: thanks09:16
Davieycjwatson: Hmm, wget-udeb is 159K, is that so bad?09:44
cjwatsonDaviey: it's quite a bit compared to the size of the netboot initrd09:56
cjwatsonI don't like to bloat that without bound!09:57
dr3mroplease can any one help me create a daily build ppa of an application i am not a contributer to in launchpad ??09:58
Davieycjwatson: agreed.. I was thinking about it in iso context, i'm a donut not thinking about it in netboot usecase.10:05
Davieyplease slap me.10:05
* cjwatson fetches the trout10:08
cjwatsonI think it was mostly just that I noticed that wget-udeb was being built with obviously unnecessary options and that 159K seemed rather a lot for a minimal version of wget; perhaps I'm out of date though10:09
dr3mrocan any one help me what is the problem here ?http://pastebin.com/Xh272MSD10:23
geserdr3mro: lp:~dr3mro/+junk/nautilus-actions looks pretty empty10:27
dr3mroI am building  a ppa  and i am a noob how can i make a ppa of that lp ?10:28
geserI'm not very familiar with recipe builds but you should have some files in that branch you want to build from10:31
pittijibel: we now have two packages in the archive with DEP-8/autopkgtest support, FYI; do you have time today for a 30 minute mumble call about how to set that up in the DC?10:53
pittijibel: I'm interested in how we need to extend autopkgtest to work for us10:54
dupondjepitti: I createdd a debdiff for python-papyon. Its in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/papyon/+bug/88734911:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 887349 in papyon (Ubuntu Maverick) "Can't login in Windows live acount using empathy" [Undecided,Confirmed]11:06
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soreauI'm trying to remember how to find the build log for a package to determine the configure flags used. So far I've been unsuccessful with packages.ubuntu.com and apt-get source11:23
cjwatsonsoreau: start from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/PACKAGE-NAME, follow links11:24
cjwatson(I have a keyword bookmark for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/%s - it's useful for so many things)11:25
soreauaha11:25
soreauthanks cjwatson11:25
pittidupondje: ah, thanks, did you subscribe the sponsors?11:35
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dupondjepitti: ubuntu-sponsors or ? :)11:45
pittiyes11:45
dupondjedone11:46
ockham_hi, i'm on natty, and i'd like to  setup pbuilder for precise. i'm using the ~/.pbuilderrc from the wiki, but it doesn't work: i'm getting11:58
ockham_Unknown distribution: oneiric-proposed11:58
ockham_what am i doing wrong?11:59
cjwatsonwhich wiki page?11:59
ockham_https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto12:00
ockham_-- from the "Multiple pbuilders" section12:00
cjwatsoncan you pastebin the entire output from pbuilder?12:00
ockham_with oneiric and precise added, that is12:00
cjwatsonincluding the command you're running12:00
ockham_okay. i'm trying to invoke it via cowbuilder -- one second12:00
sagaciockham_, pbuilder-dist precise create12:01
cjwatsonsagaci: I don't think that's the problem, let me debug this please12:01
ockham_http://pastebin.com/9hFpiY4z12:01
cjwatsonI mean I think there may be an interesting problem in here12:01
sagaciok no problemo12:02
ockham_(i'm on amd64, so that option is kinda redundant...)12:02
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cjwatsonockham_: are you running this command in a directory where debian/changelog exists?12:02
ockham_actually, yes12:02
cjwatsonockham_: what is the first line of debian/changelog?12:03
ockham_ooh, i get it. it's really oneiric-updates. i just cd'ed somewhere else...12:03
ockham_hm, still failing12:03
ockham_now with a different error12:03
cjwatsonI've fixed the pbuilder howto to cover that situation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto?action=diff&rev2=177&rev1=17612:04
ockham_great!12:04
cjwatsonbut cding somewhere else for creation is the right thing to do anyway12:04
ockham_i've updated my pastebin to reflect the new error12:04
cjwatsonit might have given you a new url for the update?12:05
cjwatson(no change when I reload)12:05
ockham_oops. http://pastebin.com/CzGgaSKB12:06
ockham_oneiric is already in /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/12:06
ockham_precise, though, isn't12:06
ockham_so i'd need an updated version of whatever package contains those scripts?12:07
cjwatsonyou could (debootstrap), or you could just add a symlink12:07
cjwatsonsudo ln -s gutsy /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/precise12:07
cjwatsonthat reminds me though, I should do some backports of debootstrap12:08
ockham_didn't check with ls -al first. created the symlink now, but yeah, OOTB would be even better...12:09
ockham_okay, cowbuilder seems to work now. thanks a bunch cjwatson!12:09
cjwatsonmaking its way through to {maverick,natty}-backports now12:10
ogra_.oO(thats what you get if mark decides so late on a name)12:11
ogra_we had releases where such changes were in before release day12:11
ockham_hm, can i ask you guys about a different issue? i'm trying to12:20
ockham_DIST=oneiric ARCH=amd64 pdebuild12:20
ockham_unity-lens-applications12:20
ockham_which fails with some CDBS related complaints12:20
ockham_http://pastebin.com/fxWNXA3j12:21
ockham_anyone?12:23
geserlooks like some build-dependencies are not installed, but as I don't use pdebuild (only pbuilder) I don't know how to "fix" it12:26
ockham_geser: i think normally, these should get installed automatically when using pdebuild...12:28
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geserockham_: after a quick look at pdebuild, I'm not sure if it's already inside the chroot at this point at pdebuild wants to build a source package first12:37
ockham_geser: really? hm, what do i need to do then?12:37
gesertry installing cdbs and dh-autoreconf to see if the error messages goes away (or at least less errors)12:37
ockham_geser: or, how do you normally invoke pbuilder to build a package12:38
ockham_?12:38
geserockham_: I usually use "debuild -S" to build the source package and then use pbuilder on this source package to build it12:38
ockham_about the chroot, you were right. i installed cdbs and dh-autoreconf, and it doesn't complain anymore.12:39
geser(you need to have the packages used in the clean target installed to be able to build a source packages, mostly it's debhelper, cdbs and similar)12:39
jelmerwhat's the best way to make sure an init file gets installed on Debian and the upstart file on Ubuntu?12:47
jelmerFrom what I can tell, dh_installinit won't necessarily do the right thing. I'd prefer to have a single source package for both, so that there's no need for merging back and forth all the time.12:47
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geserdh_installinit doesn't the right thing? how?12:57
jelmergeser: if I read its manpage correctly, it wouldn't install debian/FOO.init if debian/FOO.upstart exists13:00
geseroh, this isn't an ubuntu delta that it prefers the upstart file?13:05
geserjelmer: I'd probably try to use dpkg-vendor to check if Ubuntu or Debian and move the .upstart file out of the way if Debian13:09
jelmergeser: its manpage is the same on Debian, from what I can tell13:10
jelmergeser: thanks, I'll give that a try.13:10
ockham_i've heard that tomboy was dropped from the precise standard installation. what's the launchpad project for the standard install? i'd like to suggest gnote (C++ implemented tomboy clone) as a replacement.13:16
jamespagejelmer: the nova source package does a dpkg-vendor check and installs the upstart configuration instead of an init script when required (i.e. for Ubuntu) if you want a working example13:21
jamespagehowever slangasek did mention some work that is happening in Debian to address upstart/init co-existence at UDS-P (unless I got the wrong end of the stick)13:22
jelmerjamespage: thanks, I'll have a look at the nova package13:25
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ockham_anyone?13:28
brendandockham_ - it was dropped from oneiric too13:29
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pittino, tomboy was still installed in oneiric13:30
Laneyi am unaware that it has been 'dropped' from anything13:31
brendandpitti - oh. it wasn't in the install for a while though. maybe we were thinking of dropping it?13:31
pittiwe were thinking of it, but 11.10 still installs it13:31
ockham_FWIW, http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/gnote13:31
brendandockham_ - you can put suggestions on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-default-apps13:31
brendandockham_ - unless someone says otherwise13:31
ockham_brendand: thanks, that's what i was looking for13:32
* brendand install gnote13:32
brendand(to find out if it can import tomboy notes)13:33
brendandi think it's a shame something with such nice U1 integration is getting dropped. i guess because it has mono13:33
brendandhopefully a good replacement can be found13:33
brendandwell, it seems to use the same notes database. ain't that nice13:35
ockham_brendand: i know. i've used it before, but last time i checked, it was lacking an indicator (still using old gnome-panel applet style), i think13:36
ockham_but that might be not too hard to fix13:37
cjwatsonlucas: there used to be an entirely different source package called yard (http://packages.qa.debian.org/y/yard.html).  I don't suppose you'd consider slapping an epoch on your new package?  I don't want to sync it and then find that LP rejects it due to versions-must-increase constraints ...14:01
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ockham_hi, i'm currently trying to produce a patch for #785101 (to unity-lens-applications)15:24
ockham_as i'm on natty, i can only check if it builds with pbuilder, but i can't test it...15:24
ockham_anyone running oneiric willing to try it out for me?15:25
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mdeslaurRiddell: I plan on removing the icedtea plugin from ubuntu-restricted-addons (LP: #889171). Any objections to me doing it for kubuntu also?16:18
mdeslaurRiddell: too late, done.16:41
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porthosewould a kind archive admin please process bug #888212, it's a new package in debian that I would like to backport to oneiric thx :)17:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 888212 in Ubuntu "Sync openteacher 2.2.1-1 (universe) from Debian testing (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88821217:46
slangasekporthose: that's really something that's meant to be handled by batches, not as individual bug reports requesting individual syncs17:56
cjwatsonthough that's true, I 've generally said "feel free to file bugs to ohurry it up"17:57
cjwatsonsince the batches require manual review17:57
slangasekoh, well, I'll run the batch now anyway :)17:58
cjwatsongo for it :)17:58
broderslangasek: could i get you to run backport-helper while you're already ssh'd into the right machines? :)17:59
slangasekbroder: not sure, will have to see where things lay when I finish with this bit17:59
porthoseslangasek, thx much appreciated :)18:07
slangasekScottK: dkim-milter was removed from Ubuntu as "dead upstream", but the package is still in Debian (with an RC bug).  Do you think it should be removed from Debian as well?  Do you want to follow up on bug #629663?18:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 629663 in KARL3 "Implement "Useful Calendar Alerts" blueprint" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62966318:19
slangasekwell that's interesting.  why is X not seeing my USB keyboard / mouse?18:33
marwhello. i'm trying to find info (other than rumors) about the future of mono in ubuntu.18:39
micahgmarw: mono isn't leaving Ubuntu, as for the default install, here'e the thread: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-November/003393.html18:40
marwthanks, micahg. the net is full of bombastic titles about this18:41
abhishekpls, can anyone tell me where should I start with ubuntu development18:47
abhisheki have registered for launchpad18:48
abhishekand I know C and php, but I don't know what level of knowledge is required for development18:48
marwtomboy notes is also being slashed?18:54
slangasekabhishek: you might find this list of bugs useful as a starting point: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize18:58
abhishekthanks slangasek18:59
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angelo-cinfinity: Hi all!21:27
angelo-cinfinity: I tested the updated package on precise, it works like a charm! I updated the bug!21:28
angelo-cinfinity: I tested the updated package on precise, it works like a charm! I updated the bug!22:11
infinityangelo-c: Cheers, thanks.22:11
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angelo-cinfinity: thank you very much! Is there any area where I can help, I'm really proud to be part of ubuntu!22:14
sebnerslangasek: lightdm still shows ubuntu 11.10 but other than that you were right, my laptop didn't explode on the upgrade to precise :)22:49
cjwatsonslangasek: could you merge libtool?  I'm pretty sure it being out of sync with dh-autoreconf is what's causing vlc to fail to build (and presumably anything else that uses 'dh_autoreconf --as-needed')23:39
cjwatsonor I'll do it if you prefer23:40

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