[01:46] <poolie> can i use pycentral across all of hardy..oneiric?
[01:58] <Riddell> poolie: yes, pycentral isn't new
[02:01] <poolie> i knew it was old; i wondered if it was too deprecated
[02:01] <poolie> thanks though
[02:03] <Riddell> poolie: using dh_python2 is more fashionable than using pycentral
[02:03] <mwhudson> but doesn't work on even lucid, right?
[02:04] <Riddell> right, it's newer
[02:21]  * micahg thinks there's a workitem to backport dh_python2 to lucid
[02:22] <micahg> poolie: pycentral has been deprecated as well
[02:22] <broder> i think there are plans to demote it to universe this cycle
[02:23] <micahg> well, hopefully we can just finish the transition and drop it from the archive
[02:24] <micahg> 943 packages to go
[02:24]  * broder is a bit skeptical whether that's the best use of developer time this cycle
[02:25]  * micahg has a few other things he'd like to drop as well that require transitions
[02:36] <taladon> i'm getting this when i try to build gnome-nettool http://pastebin.com/qNC0NEyu   not sure what I need to satisfy configure
[02:39] <taladon> hmm, think I may have just figured it out... just did apt-get install gtk2.6 252meg download
[02:40] <broder> taladon: there are a few ways to figure this out. you can use "apt-get build-dep gnome-nettool"
[02:40] <broder> if you're working from the debian package, you can also look at debian/control for the "Build-Depends" line
[02:40] <taladon> already tried that... but it didn't grab the gtk2.6
[02:41] <taladon> i'm pulling branch from launchpad
[02:42] <broder> taladon: did you grab an old version of gnome-nettool? the current one shouldn't need gtk2
[02:46] <taladon> i did a bzr branch lp:gnome-nettool
[03:10] <poolie> micahg, thanks
[03:10] <poolie> i think at the moment i don't totally need either of them
[03:10] <poolie> this is the lp-buildd package, so it's quite special
[06:14] <pitti> Good morning
[06:55] <porthose> Would a kind archive admin please process bug #888212, thx :)
[07:46] <dholbach> good morning
[07:59] <Daviey> cjwatson: Good morning, can i ask if bug 833994 is on your roadmap for precise?
[09:02] <cjwatson> Daviey: not at the moment; if somebody could work on slimming down wget-udeb I'd probably take a patch
[09:16] <Daviey> cjwatson: thanks
[09:44] <Daviey> cjwatson: Hmm, wget-udeb is 159K, is that so bad?
[09:56] <cjwatson> Daviey: it's quite a bit compared to the size of the netboot initrd
[09:57] <cjwatson> I don't like to bloat that without bound!
[09:58] <dr3mro> please can any one help me create a daily build ppa of an application i am not a contributer to in launchpad ??
[10:05] <Daviey> cjwatson: agreed.. I was thinking about it in iso context, i'm a donut not thinking about it in netboot usecase.
[10:05] <Daviey> please slap me.
[10:08]  * cjwatson fetches the trout
[10:09] <cjwatson> I think it was mostly just that I noticed that wget-udeb was being built with obviously unnecessary options and that 159K seemed rather a lot for a minimal version of wget; perhaps I'm out of date though
[10:23] <dr3mro> can any one help me what is the problem here ?http://pastebin.com/Xh272MSD
[10:27] <geser> dr3mro: lp:~dr3mro/+junk/nautilus-actions looks pretty empty
[10:28] <dr3mro> I am building  a ppa  and i am a noob how can i make a ppa of that lp ?
[10:31] <geser> I'm not very familiar with recipe builds but you should have some files in that branch you want to build from
[10:53] <pitti> jibel: we now have two packages in the archive with DEP-8/autopkgtest support, FYI; do you have time today for a 30 minute mumble call about how to set that up in the DC?
[10:54] <pitti> jibel: I'm interested in how we need to extend autopkgtest to work for us
[11:06] <dupondje> pitti: I createdd a debdiff for python-papyon. Its in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/papyon/+bug/887349
[11:23] <soreau> I'm trying to remember how to find the build log for a package to determine the configure flags used. So far I've been unsuccessful with packages.ubuntu.com and apt-get source
[11:24] <cjwatson> soreau: start from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/PACKAGE-NAME, follow links
[11:25] <cjwatson> (I have a keyword bookmark for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/%s - it's useful for so many things)
[11:25] <soreau> aha
[11:25] <soreau> thanks cjwatson
[11:35] <pitti> dupondje: ah, thanks, did you subscribe the sponsors?
[11:45] <dupondje> pitti: ubuntu-sponsors or ? :)
[11:45] <pitti> yes
[11:46] <dupondje> done
[11:58] <ockham_> hi, i'm on natty, and i'd like to  setup pbuilder for precise. i'm using the ~/.pbuilderrc from the wiki, but it doesn't work: i'm getting
[11:58] <ockham_> Unknown distribution: oneiric-proposed
[11:59] <ockham_> what am i doing wrong?
[11:59] <cjwatson> which wiki page?
[12:00] <ockham_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[12:00] <ockham_> -- from the "Multiple pbuilders" section
[12:00] <cjwatson> can you pastebin the entire output from pbuilder?
[12:00] <ockham_> with oneiric and precise added, that is
[12:00] <cjwatson> including the command you're running
[12:00] <ockham_> okay. i'm trying to invoke it via cowbuilder -- one second
[12:01] <sagaci> ockham_, pbuilder-dist precise create
[12:01] <cjwatson> sagaci: I don't think that's the problem, let me debug this please
[12:01] <ockham_> http://pastebin.com/9hFpiY4z
[12:01] <cjwatson> I mean I think there may be an interesting problem in here
[12:02] <sagaci> ok no problemo
[12:02] <ockham_> (i'm on amd64, so that option is kinda redundant...)
[12:02] <cjwatson> ockham_: are you running this command in a directory where debian/changelog exists?
[12:02] <ockham_> actually, yes
[12:03] <cjwatson> ockham_: what is the first line of debian/changelog?
[12:03] <ockham_> ooh, i get it. it's really oneiric-updates. i just cd'ed somewhere else...
[12:03] <ockham_> hm, still failing
[12:03] <ockham_> now with a different error
[12:04] <cjwatson> I've fixed the pbuilder howto to cover that situation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto?action=diff&rev2=177&rev1=176
[12:04] <ockham_> great!
[12:04] <cjwatson> but cding somewhere else for creation is the right thing to do anyway
[12:04] <ockham_> i've updated my pastebin to reflect the new error
[12:05] <cjwatson> it might have given you a new url for the update?
[12:05] <cjwatson> (no change when I reload)
[12:06] <ockham_> oops. http://pastebin.com/CzGgaSKB
[12:06] <ockham_> oneiric is already in /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/
[12:06] <ockham_> precise, though, isn't
[12:07] <ockham_> so i'd need an updated version of whatever package contains those scripts?
[12:07] <cjwatson> you could (debootstrap), or you could just add a symlink
[12:07] <cjwatson> sudo ln -s gutsy /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/precise
[12:08] <cjwatson> that reminds me though, I should do some backports of debootstrap
[12:09] <ockham_> didn't check with ls -al first. created the symlink now, but yeah, OOTB would be even better...
[12:09] <ockham_> okay, cowbuilder seems to work now. thanks a bunch cjwatson!
[12:10] <cjwatson> making its way through to {maverick,natty}-backports now
[12:11] <ogra_> .oO(thats what you get if mark decides so late on a name)
[12:11] <ogra_> we had releases where such changes were in before release day
[12:20] <ockham_> hm, can i ask you guys about a different issue? i'm trying to
[12:20] <ockham_> DIST=oneiric ARCH=amd64 pdebuild
[12:20] <ockham_> unity-lens-applications
[12:20] <ockham_> which fails with some CDBS related complaints
[12:21] <ockham_> http://pastebin.com/fxWNXA3j
[12:23] <ockham_> anyone?
[12:26] <geser> looks like some build-dependencies are not installed, but as I don't use pdebuild (only pbuilder) I don't know how to "fix" it
[12:28] <ockham_> geser: i think normally, these should get installed automatically when using pdebuild...
[12:37] <geser> ockham_: after a quick look at pdebuild, I'm not sure if it's already inside the chroot at this point at pdebuild wants to build a source package first
[12:37] <ockham_> geser: really? hm, what do i need to do then?
[12:37] <geser> try installing cdbs and dh-autoreconf to see if the error messages goes away (or at least less errors)
[12:38] <ockham_> geser: or, how do you normally invoke pbuilder to build a package
[12:38] <ockham_> ?
[12:38] <geser> ockham_: I usually use "debuild -S" to build the source package and then use pbuilder on this source package to build it
[12:39] <ockham_> about the chroot, you were right. i installed cdbs and dh-autoreconf, and it doesn't complain anymore.
[12:39] <geser> (you need to have the packages used in the clean target installed to be able to build a source packages, mostly it's debhelper, cdbs and similar)
[12:47] <jelmer> what's the best way to make sure an init file gets installed on Debian and the upstart file on Ubuntu?
[12:47] <jelmer> From what I can tell, dh_installinit won't necessarily do the right thing. I'd prefer to have a single source package for both, so that there's no need for merging back and forth all the time.
[12:57] <geser> dh_installinit doesn't the right thing? how?
[13:00] <jelmer> geser: if I read its manpage correctly, it wouldn't install debian/FOO.init if debian/FOO.upstart exists
[13:05] <geser> oh, this isn't an ubuntu delta that it prefers the upstart file?
[13:09] <geser> jelmer: I'd probably try to use dpkg-vendor to check if Ubuntu or Debian and move the .upstart file out of the way if Debian
[13:10] <jelmer> geser: its manpage is the same on Debian, from what I can tell
[13:10] <jelmer> geser: thanks, I'll give that a try.
[13:16] <ockham_> i've heard that tomboy was dropped from the precise standard installation. what's the launchpad project for the standard install? i'd like to suggest gnote (C++ implemented tomboy clone) as a replacement.
[13:21] <jamespage> jelmer: the nova source package does a dpkg-vendor check and installs the upstart configuration instead of an init script when required (i.e. for Ubuntu) if you want a working example
[13:22] <jamespage> however slangasek did mention some work that is happening in Debian to address upstart/init co-existence at UDS-P (unless I got the wrong end of the stick)
[13:25] <jelmer> jamespage: thanks, I'll have a look at the nova package
[13:28] <ockham_> anyone?
[13:29] <brendand> ockham_ - it was dropped from oneiric too
[13:30] <pitti> no, tomboy was still installed in oneiric
[13:31] <Laney> i am unaware that it has been 'dropped' from anything
[13:31] <brendand> pitti - oh. it wasn't in the install for a while though. maybe we were thinking of dropping it?
[13:31] <pitti> we were thinking of it, but 11.10 still installs it
[13:31] <ockham_> FWIW, http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/gnote
[13:31] <brendand> ockham_ - you can put suggestions on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-default-apps
[13:31] <brendand> ockham_ - unless someone says otherwise
[13:32] <ockham_> brendand: thanks, that's what i was looking for
[13:32]  * brendand install gnote
[13:33] <brendand> (to find out if it can import tomboy notes)
[13:33] <brendand> i think it's a shame something with such nice U1 integration is getting dropped. i guess because it has mono
[13:33] <brendand> hopefully a good replacement can be found
[13:35] <brendand> well, it seems to use the same notes database. ain't that nice
[13:36] <ockham_> brendand: i know. i've used it before, but last time i checked, it was lacking an indicator (still using old gnome-panel applet style), i think
[13:37] <ockham_> but that might be not too hard to fix
[14:01] <cjwatson> lucas: there used to be an entirely different source package called yard (http://packages.qa.debian.org/y/yard.html).  I don't suppose you'd consider slapping an epoch on your new package?  I don't want to sync it and then find that LP rejects it due to versions-must-increase constraints ...
[15:24] <ockham_> hi, i'm currently trying to produce a patch for #785101 (to unity-lens-applications)
[15:24] <ockham_> as i'm on natty, i can only check if it builds with pbuilder, but i can't test it...
[15:25] <ockham_> anyone running oneiric willing to try it out for me?
[16:18] <mdeslaur> Riddell: I plan on removing the icedtea plugin from ubuntu-restricted-addons (LP: #889171). Any objections to me doing it for kubuntu also?
[16:41] <mdeslaur> Riddell: too late, done.
[17:46] <porthose> would a kind archive admin please process bug #888212, it's a new package in debian that I would like to backport to oneiric thx :)
[17:56] <slangasek> porthose: that's really something that's meant to be handled by batches, not as individual bug reports requesting individual syncs
[17:57] <cjwatson> though that's true, I 've generally said "feel free to file bugs to ohurry it up"
[17:57] <cjwatson> since the batches require manual review
[17:58] <slangasek> oh, well, I'll run the batch now anyway :)
[17:58] <cjwatson> go for it :)
[17:59] <broder> slangasek: could i get you to run backport-helper while you're already ssh'd into the right machines? :)
[17:59] <slangasek> broder: not sure, will have to see where things lay when I finish with this bit
[18:07] <porthose> slangasek, thx much appreciated :)
[18:19] <slangasek> ScottK: dkim-milter was removed from Ubuntu as "dead upstream", but the package is still in Debian (with an RC bug).  Do you think it should be removed from Debian as well?  Do you want to follow up on bug #629663?
[18:33] <slangasek> well that's interesting.  why is X not seeing my USB keyboard / mouse?
[18:39] <marw> hello. i'm trying to find info (other than rumors) about the future of mono in ubuntu.
[18:40] <micahg> marw: mono isn't leaving Ubuntu, as for the default install, here'e the thread: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-November/003393.html
[18:41] <marw> thanks, micahg. the net is full of bombastic titles about this
[18:47] <abhishek> pls, can anyone tell me where should I start with ubuntu development
[18:48] <abhishek> i have registered for launchpad
[18:48] <abhishek> and I know C and php, but I don't know what level of knowledge is required for development
[18:54] <marw> tomboy notes is also being slashed?
[18:58] <slangasek> abhishek: you might find this list of bugs useful as a starting point: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize
[18:59] <abhishek> thanks slangasek
[21:27] <angelo-c> infinity: Hi all!
[21:28] <angelo-c> infinity: I tested the updated package on precise, it works like a charm! I updated the bug!
[22:11] <angelo-c> infinity: I tested the updated package on precise, it works like a charm! I updated the bug!
[22:11] <infinity> angelo-c: Cheers, thanks.
[22:14] <angelo-c> infinity: thank you very much! Is there any area where I can help, I'm really proud to be part of ubuntu!
[22:49] <sebner> slangasek: lightdm still shows ubuntu 11.10 but other than that you were right, my laptop didn't explode on the upgrade to precise :)
[23:39] <cjwatson> slangasek: could you merge libtool?  I'm pretty sure it being out of sync with dh-autoreconf is what's causing vlc to fail to build (and presumably anything else that uses 'dh_autoreconf --as-needed')
[23:40] <cjwatson> or I'll do it if you prefer