[00:00] zul: Ah, interesting - i assumed an upgrade issue, failure to migrate [00:00] Daviey: (tho i just noticed hggdh's comments.) [00:00] adam_g: I just added a comment to your facter merge btw [00:00] Daviey: yeah, looking at that now. thanks [00:00] Daviey: could be...i dont think glance handles upgrades well [00:00] zul: yeah, there was discussion on that recently [00:00] im not sure how a glance upgrade from natty -> oneiric would work properly [00:02] adam_g: I don't think that had a test case TBH [00:02] adam_g: the packaging will need to have some smarts i think [00:05] * Daviey goes awol [00:08] there were some changes to glance-api.conf mid-cycle that required a section to be added to the middle of the file otherwise the api server stopped working [00:33] Hi there, I'm getting a "scripts/Makefile.modpost:42: include/config/auto.conf: No such file or directory" error when trying to compile parts of the kernel (acquired with apt-get source) - what is going on? :< [00:37] wild guess -- is autoconf installed? [00:38] apparently not, though i have build-essential installed - will install autoconf and try again [00:39] same error :| [00:40] gonna try something 1min [00:41] utlemming, compressed filesystem is acceptable. [00:41] okay now it starts building but hits /bin/sh: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: not found [00:41] and in my opinion, assuming minimum memory of 256M is ok. [00:41] i'd say 4G would be fine, but i want to be able to test in a VM. [00:42] smoser: lucid netboot install requires more than 256MB *now* [00:43] I had to allocate another 64MB or so or it would silently fail to install some files, and on reboot it'd get its knickers twisted post-pivot. [00:43] not more than 256M [00:43] i know that. [00:43] (Admittedly I can't remember if that was with lowmem) [00:43] i've booted oneiric in 256 [00:43] with no specific arguments. [00:43] *booting* is of course fine [00:43] I was talking about d-i [00:43] almost certain i'vve done install [00:44] OK, I'm sorry, I am wrong. I was using qemu's default, which is 128MB not 256MB [00:44] So I needed at least 192MB to boot and run d-i from network [00:45] that seems more reasonable. [00:45] Once that was done, lucid would boot and run fine with 128MB [00:45] kvm default on recent ubuntu is 256 i think [00:46] bitshift: "make deb-pkg" ? [00:46] twb: giving this a try at the moment: http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/07/05/tip-preparing-your-linux-kernel-sources-for-out-of-tree-kernel-module-compilation/ [00:46] duno if it applies direct to me but will see [00:47] all i need is one module but having to compile all the modules in drivers/net [00:47] D: [00:47] bitshift: apt-get build-deb linux-2.6 [00:47] If you just want to build out-of-tree modules, install the relevant -dkms package [00:48] not doing out of tree modules, just trying to fix the errors that i got which are on that page also [00:48] Why are you reading an article on doing so, then? [00:48] because it mentioned the errors I had [00:48] and suggested a fix [00:48] doesn't hurt to try, right? [00:49] apt-get build-dep linux-2.6; cp /boot/config-NNN .config; make deb-pkg [00:49] bitshift: no it probably won't hurt, I just get annoyed by lots of users stupidly following inappropriate howtos [00:49] well i needed a fix, sorry if it makes you mad :/ [00:50] Like trying to set up zimbra in lucid by following instructions written for dapper [00:50] bitshift: no worries [00:50] seems to be compiling now anyway, slow system so this might take... a while... [00:51] is there any way to just build *one* .ko in drivers/net? [00:51] Not that I know of [00:51] damn, okay [00:52] You could do something like "make allnoconfig" and then go turn on just that module, but it might compile a bunch of other options out and result in an unhelpful module [00:52] yeah i'd rather not risk that [00:52] this device might take hours just to do drivers/net [00:52] Turning off debugging (i.e. CFLAGS += -g) in the kernel hacking option will make the build MUCH faster IME [00:52] You might also want to chat with #ubuntu-kernel instead [00:53] well if any problems arise i probably will then =] [00:53] its just this bloody r6040 module [00:53] fgsfds [00:56] Hmm, apt-file says that Debian has that module built, but packages.ubuntu.com won't tell me about it under oneiric/precise [00:56] hmm? [00:57] bitshift: you get that module out of the box on Debian [00:57] still rocking 10.04.3 on this one [00:57] Ah, OK [00:57] got it out of the box on slackware too [00:57] but ubuntu, no joy :'( [00:58] Do you realize it's bad juju to just pick up a 3.0 .ko and drop it into a 2.6.32 kernel? === james_ is now known as blitzkrieg3 [00:58] i've not done that... [00:58] It might be OK if you patch the 2.6.32 source to include the r6040 module and then build that [00:58] network drivers are the sole reason I upgraded my file server from hardy to lucid [00:58] its in the 2.6.32 source [00:58] Oh. [00:58] lol [00:58] using source from my current kernel version [00:59] Carry on then [00:59] apt-get source'd [00:59] i can't run anything past 10.04 on this without even more modification i think [00:59] tried 11.10 server and got a refusal to start due to the lack of the cmov instruction (Vortex86MX) [00:59] onboard NIC burned out and the replacement I bought wasn't supported in the old kernel [00:59] Maybe apt-file isn't telling me about r6040 in anything below 3.0.0 because there aren't any earlier kernels in sid [00:59] ah, well I assure you it's there :> [01:00] Heh yeah [01:00] may have to cancel this compile and do it tomorrow, won't break anything if I do that? [01:00] nope [01:01] cool [01:01] and yeah, ubuntu "i386" isn't really i386, it's i686 with some pretty specific requirements [01:02] granted it doesn't affect most people [01:02] yeah i was kind of sad that i couldnt just run 11.10 [01:02] but it's not spelled out that well until you run into it [01:02] I have an old K6, had to install the linux-386 kernel [01:02] wait what [01:02] i dont recall twb leaving [01:02] hi guys i just install iptables on my ubuntu serer how to turn it on..any idea..? [01:02] wait its right there i cant read [01:02] iptables is included by default [01:02] lol [01:03] you need only create rules and set policies [01:03] bitshift: tramp bug [01:03] qman__: is it actually possible to get 11.10 on something that old then? [01:03] bitshift: I had to pkill -9 emacs [01:03] yes [01:03] qman__: how to start it..? [01:03] install from disc if it lets you, then boot live, chroot, install linux-386 kernel [01:03] oh right, might have to look into that soon [01:03] no the installer wont even start lol [01:03] (It's fixed in HEAD but HEAD introduces a problem with IRC autojoin that ICBF fixing yet.) [01:03] ruben23, it is started [01:03] ruben23, sudo iptables -L to show the currently applied rules [01:04] twb: emacs for irc? i used that once, didn't much like it [01:04] Emacs is my desktop environment. [01:04] LOL really? [01:04] Yes. [01:04] wow [01:04] as an internet troll once said [01:04] Using irssi would be like a GNOME user using kIRC [01:05] Emacs is a great operating system, but the text editor kind of sucks [01:05] lol [01:05] qman__: is thi running already..?---> http://pastebin.com/kRADcAPm [01:05] yes [01:05] you have a fail2ban setup applied and not much else [01:06] FWIW I used to run amarok on a gnome desktop [01:07] gonna get some sleep, will probably poke in tomorrow/"later today" and be all "got 99 problems," bye. [01:07] then they made 2.0, which sucked, and I started using exaile [01:12] qman__: emacs is more a DE than an OS -- consider that it has a standardized widget set and keybindings, libraries for stuff like spelling, a desktop calculator, a bunch of apps, etc. But it doesn't have hardware drivers, a filesystem, a network stack, resource allocation heuristics, etc. [01:13] Calling Emacs an OS is like pointing at the CRT and calling it the computer [01:13] fair enough [01:13] Having said that, you can boot movitz (OS) + lice (emacs clone) off a floppy on bare metal x86 [01:14] I've never actually used emacs, I learned vim and have been using it ever since [01:14] anyone familiar with how to show a blank page (instead of my routers main page) when my server is off? [01:15] skypent: "page" as in HTTP? [01:15] it appears that your router is trying too hard [01:15] twb : yes [01:15] and in that case, it would be your router, not ubuntu, to make that happen [01:15] though I can't fathom why the server would ever be off [01:16] skypent: what is serving HTTP -- the router, or the server? And to whom? Your LAN or the internet? Are both machines running Ubuntu? [01:16] qman__: because his sister unplugged it so she can plug in the hairdryer [01:17] my K6 has been online since january [01:17] about due for a power outage [01:18] qman__: I think the correlation of uptime to penis length is not statistically significant. [01:18] twb : my ubuntu server is a web server. As soon as it's on it leads the ip to the main page of my server's /etc/var/www index.html. When it's off it shows my router's login page. Just wondering if someone's experience on how to show a blank page when the server is off. [01:18] that's a function of your router [01:18] and is a really poorly thought out one, at that [01:19] :l [01:19] normal, sane defaults would have the request time out if the server isn't available [01:20] not hijack the request [01:20] and with a login page, no less [01:21] skypent: that's your router being "helpful" [01:21] announcing to the world what router and probably firmware version you're running [01:21] skypent: it can't be fixed from Ubuntu, so you need to talk to your router vendor (or replace the router with an Ubuntu one) [01:21] it's one step from asking people to own it [01:21] god damn that router... and it's helpfulness. [01:22] Though FWIW I would run SOHO routers on OpenWRT, not Ubuntu. [01:22] I use untangle at work [01:23] my router runs ubuntu though [01:23] but my router is an ATX desktop with four NICs [01:25] I like openwrt because its has actual packages, so you can e.g. just slap in a USB hdd and "opkg install squid" and bam, you have squid [01:26] And building custom images is reasonably easy. [01:29] heh, my router is a vmware image [01:29] and when it was physical, I still only ever ran it with a single nic [01:30] just can't live without vlans [01:30] my main goal was performance [01:30] at the time I was big into counter strike so that came first, did it all by hand [01:30] never had a reason to push gigabit through my router [01:31] now some of my servers have quad bonded nics [01:31] but none of that passes over the router, at that bandwidth [01:31] made a firewall script to handle port forwarding I'm a bit proud of, though it's trivial for a shell master [01:31] patdk-lap: I rolled out one of those back when C4 was new [01:32] the only c4 I know of, is explosive :) [01:34] That's PE4 [01:34] C4 is CentOS [01:34] Contemporary with Etch IIRC [01:35] heh [01:35] mine where all slackware [01:35] tillI went virtual, then I started with ubuntu 7.04 === airtonix_ is now known as airtonix [02:34] Hello, could anyone go to my ip and see if my router is still broadcasting its login or my actual /etc/var/www contents? Everytime I go it shows it is, but it might be because of the network i'm on. [02:35] Kind of pulling my hair out thinking that someone can view the contents of my router... need some piece of mind [02:35] port 80? [02:36] yeah [02:36] is it blocked? [02:36] isn't connectable [02:36] thank god! [02:36] or... thank you!! ... you are my god... today. [02:36] hah [02:36] mucha gusta bud [02:36] np [02:37] Assuming he's IRCing from there, of course... [02:37] All 100 scanned ports on 174-23-37-247.slkc.qwest.net (174.23.37.247) are filtered [02:38] twb what does that mean? [02:38] out but not in, right? [02:38] i took 'my ip' as in the literal [02:38] dork: eh? [02:39] heh the poor bastard that replaced me when i left my last job [02:40] apparently is hated by everyone [02:40] Because he's an ignorant clown [02:40] he broke the smart host i replaced our old barracudas with a week ago, mail was down an entire week [02:40] my old level 1 guys were IMing me an amusing play by play of it [02:41] dork: presumably because he didn't know to just get the old master.cf out of etckeeper :-/ [02:41] Stupid cowboys [02:41] twb: no, it's an amavisd/spamd/clamd quarom w/ postfix, he accidentally turned the bayes filtering on on spamassassin and it wasn't configured at all so it was rejecting every piece of mail for a week [02:41] a weeks worth of free email customer email gone [02:41] lol [02:42] haha [02:42] Pity your users suck enough that you have to parse the 822 bodies [02:43] We do that, but only for one or two users. [02:43] well it's the free accounts that come with internet service so it's all junk anyways [02:44] well junk as in non paying [02:44] lol [02:44] the guy even had the audacity to bitch about 'the guy who set it up' which was me, never even spoke to this guy before and i was jut helping my previous employers out [02:45] talking about how it's a bad idea for a smart host to not give failure receipts for mail blocked for spam [02:45] lol [02:47] badmouthing the last guy is SOP [02:48] I get chewed out occasionally for doing it in front of the customer when the last guy was also worked for my employer [02:48] my new employers love me, the last guy set the bar so low [02:48] Like "some fucking clown thought it clever to hard-code the backup script to look for the backup drive in sde or sdf instead of just using /dev/disk/by-*" [02:49] haha [02:50] dork: we tend to get it in reverse -- because our -fu is strong enough they can usually just call and say "it borked!" and we can fix it while they're on the line, they think they can get by without buying and SLA, or that they can replace us with some indian student straight out of uni [02:51] oh so they hate the new guy [02:52] yeah i dealt with that nonsense too w/ acquisitions [02:52] i'll never look back at having to deal with end users [02:52] actually i'd deal with business customers with SLA's but no residential/SOHO nonsense [02:59] hi everyone [03:00] hey virusuy [03:00] what is the best vm to use on ubuntu server 10.04 LTS? [03:01] vm? [03:01] virtual machine [03:02] you mean for you to host VMs on? [03:02] i guess i don't understand the question [03:03] I have already had ubuntu server 10.04 LTS installed and running and I would like to setup a virtual machine on it [03:03] oh [03:04] i don't know what the ubuntu defacto standard is but i use Xen personally [03:04] tazmania: what's the VM gonna be used for ? [03:04] the existing ubuntu server is hosting bazaar svn server and I would like to host drupal on the same machine by creating a vm, hopefully, instead of buying another machine [03:05] you can't run both on the same box? [03:05] try not to [03:05] tazmania: you can use KVM, OpenVZ, XEN, if you need a bare-metal Hypervisor [03:06] those runs on Ubuntu [03:06] which one is more stable or recommended for ubuntu server [03:06] uhmm .. xen or OpenVZ [03:06] or you can use Virtualbox, with a Headless configuration [03:07] yeah I have come across virtualbox but am not sure if it is suitable or how stable it is [03:08] Depends on VM's load [03:08] I did a apt-cache search for openvz and it doesn't exist [03:09] i think it's overkill for a drupal cms [03:09] but again i don't know the situation [03:09] I have two raid1 drives and quad xeon 3.2ghz and 4gb ddr3 [03:09] dork: if it's just a CMS [03:09] Virtualbox will be ok [03:09] tazmania: about how to install openvz on Ubuntu : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=617225 [03:10] virusuy: he doesn't have hardware vt? [03:10] tazmania: i think the ubuntu standard is going to KVM [03:10] first raid1 has been used for svn and would like to setup drupal on the second raid1 [03:10] twb: oh, shame on me [03:10] For lucid he should be using kvm [03:10] ok. i will investigate further. thanks guys [03:11] twb: indeed, thanks for pointing that [03:11] tazmania: no problem, good luck [03:11] thanks [03:12] found this link http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-and-using-openvz-on-ubuntu-10.04 [03:12] lucid does not officially support openvz [03:12] It (and xen) were dropped in favour of LXC... which was then disabled :-/ [03:13] twb: so, we can only install xen [03:13] and KVM [03:13] right ? [03:13] Well, what I am using is KVM for full virtualization and LXC for jails [03:13] nice [03:13] And for LXC running either an old 2.6.32 kernel, or a backport, or a rerolled one to turn LXC support back on [03:13] at work we use VMware [03:14] but i'm not doing sysadmin task on VMware [03:14] I hate vmware [03:14] i've always used xe [03:14] xen [03:14] so, i'm not 'in charge' [03:14] nothing but excellent results [03:14] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/790863 [03:14] Launchpad bug 790863 in linux "Unable to start lxc container after update to 2.6.32-32" [Critical,Confirmed] [03:14] but it has always been rhel xen kernels or xenserver [03:14] in fact our VMWare sysadmin complains alot about xen [03:14] i dunno why.. just fanboys :P [03:14] virusuy: because it doesn't work with a mouse [03:15] dork: probably thats why [03:15] Anyone that needs a mouse to administer a system, is not a system administrator [03:15] dork: he's also winadmin [03:15] ^ [03:15] twb: +1 [03:15] he probably needs phpmyadmin [03:15] and WEBMIN [03:15] gasp [03:15] twb: tweeting your comment.. epic [03:15] dork: stop it you're hurting me [03:15] lol [03:16] do you use twitter? [03:16] No because I am not a 12yo white girl [03:16] haha [03:16] twb: you got me! [03:17] See also: "damn kids, get off my c&c milnet" [03:19] Daviey: i have tried to reproduce and doesn't seem reproduceale to me in 2 computers running oneiric === jason is now known as Guest63089 === EvilResistance is now known as Resistance [04:33] time to sleep [04:33] see you tomorrow [05:25] hi everyone [05:25] hi [05:25] {|@-@|} [05:27] ugh, dealing with a client that I replaced disk for in a failed raid1 and the other disk died (not entirely) before the sync could finish [05:30] Hi, I'm trying to set up WebDAV access based on Linux users with mod_auth_pam, but I can't access it from Windows, and I don't know why it isn't working. Any suggestions? [05:31] (I want to be able to transfer files to my server without using SCP or FTP.) [05:34] kellnola: So how are you going to get the data back? [05:35] Zanzacar, most of it is there, there's just a lot of media sense key errors [05:36] this ticks me off, because we told this person their disk failed months ago and she didn't care to do anything about it. and the the "good" one has failed (partly) [05:37] I always just laugh because people never want to do any preventative thing its always reactive instead of proactive [05:38] Oh good grief [05:38] in lucid update-grub runs in the postrm of every kernel, so uninstalling twelve kernels is gonna take an extra couple of minutes while it churns through os-prober and such [05:39] And the worst part is, that host isn't even using grub anymore [05:39] Hmm, I should probably wibble kernel-img.conf [05:39] they just don't listen [05:40] and now for some reason I look bad because the good disk failed on the same day I swapped out the bad one [05:45] this is so depressing, that most of our clients don't see the value or can't afford a goddamn server that has hot swappable disks [05:47] kellnola: I didnt know they had servers with hot swappable disks that pretty impressive. I am kind of new to all this. I am guessing if it is hot swappable that it has to be some kind of raid setup above 0? [05:48] Technically SATA disks are always hot-swappable [05:48] It's only the case that's an issue [05:48] uh, most server class machine have that. a disk fails, you slap in the new one, and go. 5 minutes. [05:49] this one was a software raid with an lvm on top of it. it's a process, you just have to know how to deal with it. but you do have to take the server down [05:50] to insert the new disk [05:50] kellnola: because the case doesn't have hot-swap bays? [05:50] twb, no none [05:51] and it wasn't "root" raid and the only disk that could boot was the one that failed ... so ... [05:51] and now she is complaining about all this shit and freaking out. [05:52] she might want to pay her bills once in a while [05:52] haha [05:53] we have to do all this cheap shit hacky crap for our broke ass non-profit clients [05:54] I'm going to bill the living shit out of her [05:54] bill her hard [05:55] !language [05:55] Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. [05:55] kellnola: ^ [05:55] are software raids worse then hardware raids? [05:55] well, just more of a pain [05:58] I setup a software raid 1 time and it was a pain, and then when I upgraded I lost the software raid and had no idea of how to get it back haha. [05:58] it was a semi nightmare but I would think it would be easier if you have done it a few time or know what your doing (unlike me) [06:13] guys i just restarted my dedicated server.. however it should be noted that i did some changes to the courier imap before restarting it. so the email are not working.. do i need to restart courier imap ? [06:14] guy please i need an answer i am not receiving emails for 158 sites [06:21] is there any harm in restarting it? [06:21] have you tried that? [06:21] tried it... not that [06:58] guys anybody online.. really need some help ? [07:00] just ask your question, if someone is here and can help, they will answer. [07:01] i changes the imapd settings in particular the MAXDAEMONS and MAXPERIP [07:01] restart the courier imapd [07:01] but still the emails are not working [07:01] any ideas? [07:07] nope, I haven't kept up on courier. what specifically is not working? === jason is now known as Guest15520 === Guest15520 is now known as jasef [08:40] Hi! Recently there was a bug in Apache (rangerequest) which was resolved in release 2.2.21. On my ubtuntu 10.04 apache version is listed as 2.2.14. So this bug is still open in LTS? === smb` is now known as smb [08:44] Hi, I'm trying to remove old kernels to free up enough space on /boot. Think I have them removed, but dpkg --get-selections still shows a lot of old ones as 'deinstall'. Is there something I'm omitting? [08:45] http://pastebin.ca/2093760 [08:51] That's just dpkg remembering that you chose to remove those package names [08:51] You can use dpkg --forget-old-unavail to prune the list [08:52] but that's pretty much just a cosmetic difference [09:09] I ran aptitude purge , thx :) Was more wondering if it kept configs behind or something, don't see any other reason to keep them in a list [09:35] hi, when I installed a server, i setted the option for installing automatic updates, how can I revert that? [09:37] hmm what happened to iscsitarget? Upgraded to 11.10 but iscsitarget-module has no candidates available? Should I use another iscsi target? [09:47] New bug: #888936 in eucalyptus-commons-ext (universe) "eucalyptus-commons-ext version 0.5.0-0ubuntu3 failed to build with openjdk-7" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/888936 [10:11] jamespage: How is the complex testing work going? [10:12] Daviey: well I've sniffed the openstack-integration tests [10:12] jamespage: viable? [10:12] well it will be [10:12] its a little sparse at the moment and relies on keystone [10:12] so we need to address that with the charms [10:13] but we should be able to run it against a juju deployed openstack deployment on hardware [10:13] well the charms need to start using keystone regardless. [10:13] Daviey: agreed [10:13] So the immediate focus for the complex testing work will be to get what I have already running on hardware [10:14] its works in the cloud now === skrewler_ is now known as skrewler [10:14] jamespage: Considering part of the test should also include testing orchestra, could the test case rollout a fresh orchestra server? [10:14] on each run? [10:15] I think testing the deployment of an orchestra server is a good ISO test case [10:15] but I don't want to include it in the complex testing work [10:16] its part of the infrastructure that supports complex testing IMHO [10:16] it will of course test the juju/orchestra interaction so its a great integration test for that piece [10:18] jamespage: Well the main drive for this is testing code before it lands in the archive, orchestra is pretty much developed in the archive. [10:18] so yeah, i think your focus sounds good. [10:18] great [10:18] so it tests, as far as it is a consumer. [10:19] i'd like to consider doing a weekly from-scratch test in an automated manner, but perhaps in a different lab [10:40] <_ruben> bah .. i'm running into bug #482419 [10:40] Launchpad bug 482419 in ifenslave-2.6 "802.3ad interface bonding fails if started too early" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482419 [10:58] New bug: #889028 in tomcat6 (main) "upgrade to tomcat6 6.0.28-2ubuntu1.5 failed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/889028 === smb`` is now known as smb === smb` is now known as smb [11:53] Daviey: do you have experience with ubuntu server netboot installs? [11:53] I just selected the archive, after that the install screen just sits there idle :/ [11:58] Daviey: meh nevermind, slow network [12:08] hello, how do i debug wpa_supplicant connection to a wifi network?= [12:33] Is it a standard to keep bzr branches in quilt push -a 'd state? [12:40] :) [12:44] can i set the /etc/network/interface to have my wifi config to connect to my wpa network? === smb` is now known as smb [12:49] wireless_send_event--->SIOCGIWAP(disassociated:vMgrJoinBSSBegin Fail !!) [12:54] BrixSat, you can use /etc/network/interfaces to get wifi [12:54] guys my emails are not working [12:54] lenios: and how do i set up my wifi config like ssid and wpa password [12:54] maybe is that the reason qmail-queue-handlers[16331]: hook_dir = '/opt/psa/handlers/before-queue' ? [12:55]