[02:52] <ali1234> so apparently i signed up to give a talk about mobile linux at nlug
[02:54] <Azelphur> it's a trap
[02:59] <ali1234> hmm i leave the computer for 6 hours and steam gets compromised?
[02:59] <Azelphur> indeed
[03:00] <ali1234> if i wasn't really drunk i'd probably have something insightful to say about this
[03:32] <funkyHat> Which nlug?
[07:33] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:34] <AlanBell> really need to get rid of that cockerel
[07:42] <ball> AlanBell: Dust off and nuke it from orbit - it's the only way to be sure.
[07:45] <ball> So, I wrote a thing about servers for small organisations.  It's dumbed down pretty much because it's aimed at business people and not geeks.
[07:45] <ball> I mention Linux but not Ubuntu specifically.
[07:45] <ball> Anyone fancy taking a look?
[07:45] <AlanBell> yes
[07:46] <ball> http://protelp.co.uk/technology/servers-for-the-small-organisation/
[07:46] <ball> Thanks AlanBell
[07:46] <ball> It's not too late for me to submit bugfixes if you see something that needs improvement.
[07:48] <AlanBell> looks good
[07:50] <ball> Thanks AlanBell
[07:51] <ball> It's CC-licensed, so you're welcome to use it if you like.
[07:51] <ball> The next one will probably be about networking.
[07:53] <ball> AlanBell: Any suggested improvements?
[07:53] <AlanBell> not really, or not without making it more complicated :)
[07:53] <AlanBell> it was focussed on file serving, which is fine
[07:55] <AlanBell> there are plenty of other topics, like introducing email (local or cloud) and then on to shared web applications like a CRM system etc
[07:56] <ball> Looks like it's raining in Chippenham
[07:57] <ball> AlanBell: I'm going to do one on software too... perhaps "the cloud" warrants one in its own right.
[07:57] <ball> ...or at least a paragraph
[07:58] <ball> Thanks for taking a look.  That really helps.
[08:07]  * ball goes back to testing 72 servers
[08:08] <tonytiger> AlanBell: did you want me?
[08:09] <AlanBell> yes :)
[08:09] <AlanBell> Southampton, pub!
[08:10] <tonytiger> When?
[08:10] <AlanBell> so, when would be a good day, early December or alternatively in January to do a happy hour in Southampton?
[08:11] <tonytiger> It's a Thursday evening, right?
[08:11] <AlanBell> probably, but doesn't have to be
[08:11] <AlanBell> a weekday, after work drinks is the idea
[08:12] <tonytiger> sure
[08:12] <tonytiger> 15th December maybe?
[08:13] <AlanBell> great
[08:13] <AlanBell> and how about a pub
[08:13] <tonytiger> I thought Mark had suggested one?
[08:14] <AlanBell> I think mark suggested the Hobbit, not sure if that is a long haired rockers pub
[08:14] <tonytiger> Hhe
[08:14] <tonytiger> *heh
[08:14] <tonytiger> It is a bit
[08:14] <tonytiger> Bit more atmosphere than the one that popey chose though
[08:14] <AlanBell> feel free to suggest an alternative (wheelchair accessible is the only criteria)
[08:15] <tonytiger> Hmm, OK
[08:15] <tonytiger> I don't really drink so don't know the pubs much.
[08:16] <AlanBell> http://www.hobbitpub.co.uk/events/ 15th is "Tom Bombadil's Cabaret Open Mic Night"
[08:19] <tonytiger> heh
[08:43] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:48] <popey> Morning
[08:50] <czajkowski> how are we all  this mornign
[08:51]  * ball waves
[08:52]  * AlanBell ponders chickenecide
[08:53]  * ball hands AlanBell a partially-charged pulse rifle
[08:53] <AlanBell> it started crowing at 6:15
[08:54] <czajkowski> AlanBell: oh dear
[08:55] <AlanBell> it is for the pot
[08:56] <ball> I'm usually up by then anyway
[08:56] <AlanBell> I think one last chick flick video of specky then it will be time to say goodbye
[08:56] <ball> Definitely this month because I'm working nights.
[08:56] <ball> brb
[08:56] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: want a chicken?
[08:56] <AlanBell> will the kids let you serve it?
[08:58] <danfish> morning
[08:58] <danfish> has the apocolypse happenned yet?
[09:04] <daubers> Morning
[09:04] <popey> Yes.
[09:05] <daubers> No?
[09:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Hmmm - James was rather against the idea - it has to be said.
[09:09] <popey> Shoot it in the head.
[09:10] <AlanBell> popey: want a nice big fat chicken?
[09:10] <popey> No thank you.
[09:10] <popey> I think we have a covenant that prevents us having chickens
[09:10] <popey> and pigs
[09:10] <AlanBell> might be going in the bin then
[09:10] <popey> s/and/or/
[09:10] <AlanBell> popey: not alive
[09:10] <popey> hah, oh
[09:10] <AlanBell> nice big fat tasty dead chicken
[09:11] <popey> "Meat is murder"
[09:11] <popey> "Tasty tasty murder"
[09:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: You do eat chicken.
[09:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> They all start out alive.
[09:11] <popey> http://www.threadless.com/product/490/Meat_is_murder_Tasty_tasty_murder
[09:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> My mistake was explaining it to the children FIRST!
[09:12] <Pendulum> AlanBell: too traumatic for your kids if you try to serve it to them?
[09:12] <AlanBell> well I am going to kill it in a sec, it can go in the bin, or someone can have a tasty meal
[09:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> What about a neighbour?
[09:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> They will appreciate the peace I am sure ;-)
[09:12] <AlanBell> Pendulum: apparently so
[09:12] <popey> do you not eat chicken AlanBell ?
[09:12] <Pendulum> TheOpenSourcerer: +1 especially if it started crowing at 6:15, one might quite like the revenge ;-)
[09:13] <gordonjcp> seems a shame to waste a perfectly good tasty chicken
[09:13] <AlanBell> popey: I do, and would eat him quite cheerfully
[09:13] <AlanBell> gordonjcp: it does
[09:13] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: wonder what it would cost to overnight a frozen chicken in a polystyrene tub??
[09:14] <gordonjcp> you could do chicken by post
[09:14] <AlanBell> more than the cost of a chicken from the butchers I expect
[09:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> It is a free range chicken.
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Helen would like to have him as a pet. I am trying to talk her out of that
[09:15] <Pendulum> TheOpenSourcerer: mention the crowing at 6:15?
[09:15] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: get some hens, they are awesome
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> My wife is a vegetarian Pendulum
[09:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> She likes furry things
[09:16] <Pendulum> TheOpenSourcerer: yes, but I assume she also likes her sleep
[09:16] <gordonjcp> TheOpenSourcerer: doesn't she eat eggs?
[09:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> We do get up at 6:15
[09:16] <mattt> herrrro!
[09:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes. But Cocks do not lay them. That is AlanBell's dilema
[09:16] <gordonjcp> I wonder if I should get some hens
[09:16] <AlanBell> you should!
[09:16] <AlanBell> everyone should get hens
[09:16] <gordonjcp> I might well
[09:16] <gordonjcp> we haven't really got many foxes out here
[09:16] <gordonjcp> well
[09:17] <gordonjcp> we *do*, sometimes, briefly
[09:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> My wife wants to start a facebook page "Save Specky"
[09:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: When you dispatch Specky could you do me a favour too?
[09:17] <AlanBell> whats that then?
[09:17] <popey> video it and upload to fb? :D
[09:17] <gordonjcp> TheOpenSourcerer: what, do it on a trampoline wearing a pink sparkly hat?
[09:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> My wife doesn't like the idea
[09:17] <popey> hah
[09:18] <popey> are we having a moment of silence at 11am?
[09:19] <Pendulum> win 33
[09:19] <gordonjcp> for Nigel Tufnel day?
[09:19] <Pendulum> fail :(
[09:19] <AlanBell> specky will be
[09:19] <popey> hah
[09:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[09:19] <gordonjcp> I'm going to have a minute of turning it up to eleven
[09:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> Helen says "NO"
[09:19] <AlanBell> but yes, popey lets mute the channel at 11
[09:19] <popey> yes
[09:19] <popey> for 2 mins
[09:19] <AlanBell> yup
[09:20] <danfish> +1
[09:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Helen was about to drive round and collect your chicken (alive).
[09:20] <popey> haha
[09:20] <gordonjcp> they don't make particularly good pets
[09:20] <AlanBell> haha
[09:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> I am desperately trying to stop her
[09:20]  * popey races to get there and kill it first
[09:21]  * TheOpenSourcerer thinks of the Dick Barton theme tune
[09:21]  * popey thinks TheOpenSourcerer is older than he looks
[09:21] <AlanBell> popey: do you want me to pop round with a dead chicken?
[09:21] <popey> not really, no. Thanks for the very kind offer.
[09:21] <AlanBell> ok
[09:21] <danfish> AlanBell: how'd you end up buying a boy chicken?
[09:21] <AlanBell> I think specky has run out of options
[09:22] <AlanBell> danfish: they all look the same when they are little
[09:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Hold on.
[09:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> My wife is phoning a friend...
[09:22] <danfish> you could feed specky birth control pills - he may 'turn' ;)
[09:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Who may be able to hold specky for a couple of days.
[09:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> until she has found a pen to hold Specky.
[09:23] <AlanBell> what??
[09:23] <AlanBell> you don't want a cock, really!
[09:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> I know that!
[09:23] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: give her the number for KFC
[09:23] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: can you not just kill specky and pop him in the freezer until the children have forgotten the whole affair, *then* cook him?
[09:23] <AlanBell> you need about 12 hens to go with one
[09:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Helen is a vege caring person who doesn't like the idea of dead animals.
[09:25] <popey> there are many dead animals on the planet
[09:25] <popey> why focus on that one
[09:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> She is talking to Nigel... OMG!
[09:25] <Pendulum> popey: she knows that one
[09:25] <popey> Veggies make no sense
[09:26] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: really, get hens
[09:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Pendulum: Actually she doesn't. She knows the owner and knows it is alive.
[09:26] <Pendulum> hah
[09:26] <AlanBell> it will be humanely dispatched and chucked in the bin
[09:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Apparently the RSPCA will re-home it!
[09:27] <AlanBell> whut?
[09:27] <gordonjcp> o_O
[09:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's what Helen said
[09:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> She has offered to transport it next week.
[09:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Women! She has just said "I wish you hadn't told me" Does ANYONE understand women?
[09:28] <popey> So someone at the RSPCA is going to be having chicken sandwiches for lunch next week.
[09:28] <gordonjcp> pretty much
[09:28] <gordonjcp> "yeah I'll rehome it" <gets pot, picks some fresh sage and chops an onion>
[09:29] <popey> I like what joey has done with the OMG logo today http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/
[09:29] <Pendulum> TheOpenSourcerer: I'm a woman and I would eat it. (Might as well learn how to pluck a chicken sometime)
[09:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh. Clarissa Dickinson-Wright wouldn't have this problem.
[09:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> My wife is now speaking to AlanBell
[09:31] <popey> hahah
[09:31] <Pendulum> Operation Cock Rescue 2011 has now commenced then?
[09:32] <popey> O_O
[09:32] <daubers> :-O
[09:33] <Pendulum> sorry, have been reading up on a guy who testified in the US about war crimes in Iraq so phrases starting with Operation and ending with supposed rescue are on my brain
[09:33] <AlanBell> execution postponed
[09:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> Specky has been given a stay
[09:33] <gordonjcp> Dave2: your double entendre skills are required
[09:33] <gord> note to self, don't mention when i am killing animals in #u-uk - its more effort than its worth
[09:33] <AlanBell> still on death row
[09:33] <popey> http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/Multiformat/Beebdroid/news.asp?c=35052
[09:33] <popey> sweet
[09:34] <gordonjcp> Pendulum: Operation Enduring Cock
[09:35] <Pendulum> tbh, I'd been trying to make it sound less dodgy, but it's ridiculously early here and brain is not functioning
[09:36] <Lantizia> popey, neat... ARM emulation on an ARM device :P
[09:36] <popey> I bet specky is cock-a-hoop
[09:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Groan
[09:36] <popey> hah, hadn't thougt of it like that
[09:38] <JamesTait> Morning all!
[09:39] <nigelb> TheOpenSourcerer: Having a /hilight for Nigel seemed to have been a bad thing for today ;)
[09:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> That is finished now nigelb
[09:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Helen is now trying to contact the RSPCA
[09:39] <nigelb> Heh
[09:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Although AlanBell is not being cruel from what I can tell.
[09:39] <nigelb> SPCC?
[09:48] <AlanBell> https://plus.google.com/u/0/109175303602657131317/posts/XkJYWPMx2EB if anyone wants one last look at Specky the Cock
[09:55] <czajkowski> sweet jebus the read back in this makes for some laughs
[09:58] <daubers> czajkowski: Because the manic cock killer of Farnborough is at large again?
[09:59] <TheOpenSourcerer>  czajkowski It would have all been fine if my dear wife hadn't wandered in my office at the right moment.
[09:59] <danfish> horrible story locally about a chicken who had an accident outside the local curry house
[09:59] <gordonjcp> or wrong moment, for that matter
[10:00] <danfish> the vets tried to save him but unfortunately he slipped into a korma and never woke up
[10:00] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:00] <AlanBell> czajkowski: how do you feel about plucking?
[10:01] <brobostigon> slipped into a korma, ?
[10:01] <brobostigon> humorous mispelling.
[10:02] <danfish> brobostigon: indeed
[10:02] <brobostigon> :)
[10:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> danfish: Please don't give up your day-job for a life as a comedian. I think it won't work out for you.
[10:03] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: heh - I came to that conclusion years ago
[10:05] <daubers> danfish: However, you may be able to reduce your shopping bills as long as you like tomatoes....
[10:11] <danfish> daubers: toms are the last thing I need - it was a particularly fine harvest of toms this year and I've run out of sauce storage space
[10:11] <popey> mmm sauce
[10:11] <bigcalm> Good morning pees :)
[10:12] <bigcalm> That's the 1st time I've bothered to read the scroll back
[10:12] <daubers> danfish: heh, I'm living off parsnips at the moment
[10:12] <bigcalm> Well worth it :)
[10:12] <danfish> maybe specky, some of my sauce and some of TheOpenSourcerer's chilis should get together some time
[10:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[10:15] <bigcalm> Nice vid too
[10:18] <Oli> I wish somebody would call me up to try and sell me fake antivirus software: http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9637000/9637033.stm
[10:19] <ball> Someone phoned me up yesterday and tried to sell me a fake university... does that count?
[10:19] <ball> It's starting to get light in Newfoundland
[10:21] <ball> btw, what's an "eft"?
[10:21] <danfish> someone tried to sell me Italy over the phone the other day. Offered to chuck in Greece for free if I pay'd cash
[10:24] <ball> In Euros? ;-)
[10:25] <Oli> ball: As in, "would you like to buy a university?" or a course at a fake university?
[10:26] <ball> A degree programme at a fake uni.
[10:27] <daubers> ball: Email them back and say you'd rather buy the University
[10:27] <ball> daubers: I'm not giving them my email address ;-)
[10:28] <daubers> ball: Send it using popeys email address, he won't mind!
[10:28] <Oli> And then there are always things like http://www.guerrillamail.com
[10:29] <ball> Oli: ...or I could just telnet into an SMTP server ;-)
[10:30] <daubers> or set up a second mail address of dearscammers@domain.com
[10:32] <ball> I hope this coffee works
[10:32] <ball> It's 04:32 and I'm here until 07:00
[10:32] <ball> ...then I have to drive home.
[10:33] <Oli> :(
[10:35]  * daubers orders rfid kit
[10:36] <Oli> What are you building, daubers?
[10:36] <daubers> Sign in/out system for the local hackspace
[10:38] <Myrtti> meh
[10:38] <Myrtti> no proper tea at my sisters :-(
[10:39] <ball> I wish we had a hackspace
[10:39] <Oli> That sounds like a useful application of it. I keep considering sticking RFID gates on all our doorways so I can log the progress of my car key* around the house so when I inevitably lose it, finding it doesn't require any thought. *I'll start with the car key and move onto better-half, cats, visitors, etc...
[10:39] <Myrtti> I still like the skype phone idea
[10:40] <Oli> hm?
[10:40] <gordonjcp> Oli: or do what I do, end up leaving the keys in the car all day
[10:40] <gordonjcp> (this only works if you live up a quiet farm track)
[10:41] <Myrtti> Oli: for RFID tags http://huopio.fi/simo/blog/2009/03/rfid-calling-cards-for-osx-and-skype.html
[10:41] <Oli> gordonjcp: Hmm yes, that's a point. Perhaps I just need a triangulation masts around the house. Seems like it would be a bit more expensive to make things identifiable though.
[10:49] <danfish> diferrent tech, but the excellent prey software has helped me locate my phone a few times
[10:49] <ball> daubers: did you ever see the Cambridge/ORL "Active Badge" videos?
[10:51] <gordonjcp> any VoIP people here?
[10:51] <gordonjcp> if I have an FXS which breaks out to a pair of RJ11 sockets, do I need a ringing capacitor for a UK phone?
[10:52] <ball> gordonjcp: That'd be build in I should think.
[10:52] <ball> (to the FXS)
[10:52] <ball> gordonjcp: What software are you using it with, out of interest?
[10:55] <Twinkletoes> For any BIND users... is it OK for several zones/domains to share the same zone file (obviously using @ in the SOA record)?  I have several domains (basically mis-spellings of my real domains) that I want to serve up in DNS with exactly the same data as the correctly-spelled names
[10:59] <bigcalm> Time?
[10:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> shh
[10:59] <popey> two minutes silence
[11:02] <bigcalm> Thank you everybody
[11:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Even twitter shut up pretty much.
[11:03] <davmor2> morning all
[11:03] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[11:03] <heeed> people in office talking through 2min silence...shocking
[11:03] <dogmatic69> o/
[11:03] <dutchie> do we still need the meeting announce for last night in the topic?
[11:03] <danfish> only 8 mins til it all kicks off 11-11-11-11-11-11
[11:03] <mattt> heh
[11:03] <mattt> the whole office goes quiet
[11:03] <dogmatic69> we doing it at 11:11:11
[11:03] <mattt> one bulgarian goes: "wtf is this?"
[11:03]  * mattt shakes head
[11:03] <popey> dogmatic69: no, silence is on the hour
[11:03] <dogmatic69> :/
[11:03] <popey> you can do it whenever you like tho ☺
[11:04] <danfish> that was nice - the builders on the big project next door who are driving me potty due to noise stopped working to the 2 mins
[11:04] <bigcalm> It's to remind people of the horrors of war. Please remember all the time, not just at 11am on 11th November each year
[11:04] <danfish> s/to/for
[11:05] <ball> It's my niece's birthday
[11:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: but I enjoy being at war with czajkowski if only all war could be settled our way ;)
[11:05] <ball> I see the BBC Web site is wearing black.
[11:06] <davmor2> on a serious note I arrived at 2 minutes past due to not want the chimes to get in the way of the silence
[11:06] <popey> we muted for 2 mins
[11:08] <gordonjcp> ball: I'm not, yet, but I'll be using Asterisk
[11:11] <popey> Fri Nov 11 11:11:12 UTC 2011
[11:11] <popey> naj!
[11:11] <popey> bah even
[11:11] <popey> so close
[11:13] <danfish> the end-of-the-worlders were wrong again :/
[11:15] <bigcalm> Do you feel sorry for them?
[11:15] <bigcalm> Maybe the world has ended in their reality
[11:18] <danfish> bigcalm: maybe it has ended - I was rather hoping the afterlife would be a bit better than a  damp Surbiton
[11:19] <bigcalm> Autumn rocks
[11:21] <directhex> is u1 down? i got a 504 error from the music store, and it's being really buggy now
[11:21] <popey> directhex: I'd ask in #ubuntuone
[11:22] <popey> directhex: I just connected to the store in banshee on 11.10 and it worked fine
[11:26] <gordonjcp> it's just plain *wrong* that I get a better internet connection by VPNing to my house, *through* the VPN from this office to the one in Thamesmead
[11:26] <gordonjcp> than I do just connecting to the local network here, which goes through our work VPN
[11:59] <gordonjcp> ~.
[11:59] <gordonjcp> oops
[11:59]  * gordonjcp finds network shares particularly baffling in Ubuntu
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> sharing or accessing shared content from other machine
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> s
[12:00] <gordonjcp> accessing shared content from another machine
[12:00] <gordonjcp> I can get it to connect to the server but I can't figure out where it's mounted
[12:02] <tonytiger> If it's a share you're accesing from within Gnome/Unity it won't be mounted anywhere useful
[12:02] <gordonjcp> oh
[12:02] <gordonjcp> well that's pointless then
[12:02] <popey> ~/.gvfs or something isnt it?
[12:04] <gordonjcp> why doesn't it let you mount it somewhere sensible?
[12:05] <gordonjcp> oh, wait
[12:05] <gordonjcp> it doesn't actually have samba
[12:05] <gordonjcp> sod it, sshfs
[12:07] <gordonjcp> popey: yeah, it puts it in .gvfs
[12:08] <gordonjcp> so what then, symlink it to be useful?
[12:09] <gordonjcp> also, is the share supposed to show up along with the other mounts in the Mac Dock thing?
[12:12] <popey> dunno, i never use windows shares
[12:12] <daubers> gordonjcp: They used to, but I think they took them out again
[12:14] <diplo> gordonjcp, I always open Nautilus
[12:18] <gordonjcp> diplo: right, but nautilus doesn't work
[12:18] <gordonjcp> for whatever insane reason it's browsing windows shares on the local network here rather than over the VPN
[12:18] <gordonjcp> and it doesn't mount the share anywhere sensible
[12:22] <daubers> gordonjcp: hit ctrl+l then give it the uri (e.g. smb://someserver/someshare)
[13:11] <Twinkletoes> I'm using setfacl with the --test option.  The output format is like this:   u::,g::,m::,o::   If u,g,o are standard user/group/other, what is 'm' for?
[13:15] <Twinkletoes> Sorry, I've just found it.. . mask
[13:17] <Laney> https://blip.tv/ubuntu-developers/ubuntu-uds-p-orlando-interviews-stefano-zacchiroli-debian-project-leader-5726122
[13:17] <Laney> "Debian Project Manager, Canonical"
[13:17] <Laney> ho ho ho
[13:19] <AlanBell> fail
[13:27] <selinuxium> Erm...
[13:27] <diplo> Recent update, screwed my mouse clicking... any thoughts where to start looking ?
[13:28] <diplo> And it seems keyboard
[13:28] <diplo> Alt F2 works, but can't type
[13:28] <selinuxium> Just checked one of my old jaunty servers and the sources.list no longer connects to anything...
[13:28] <selinuxium> Is it no longer available for Jaunty?
[13:31] <deej1976> !release
[13:31] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[13:32] <selinuxium> are there any mirrors? How could I upgrade without going to a disk?
[13:35] <shauno> selinuxium: jaunty & karmic are on old-releases.ubuntu.com - if you can upgrade to 9.10 from there, the next step would be into the 10.04 lts
[13:35] <selinuxium> shauno, Cheers!
[13:35] <selinuxium> deej1976, Thanks for your help too.
[13:36] <shauno> I've never actually tried that, so I'm not sure how to get do-release-upgrade to use that mirror
[13:41] <selinuxium> shauno, I just need to get to a historic repo source atm... Need a quick dirty fix for something...
[13:42] <selinuxium> shauno, any idea what a line in the sources list should read like?
[13:44] <selinuxium> Shauno, I think I have worked it out..
[13:44] <shauno> I think just: deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jaunty main
[13:44] <shauno> it's using the same layout as the regular release servers, so the only difference should be the addition of old-
[14:18] <AlanBell> last second reprieve for the chicken!!
[14:18] <AlanBell> just called the tip to ask if I can dump a chicken carcass, explained the issue and they said bring it alive!
[14:18] <popey> hah
[14:18] <daubers> heh
[14:22] <bigcalm> \o/
[14:28] <danfish> this chicken will have it's own twitter and facebook accounts soon!
[14:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Someone at the tip is thinking tasty supper :-)
[14:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\ \fresh
[14:34]  * bigcalm wonders why so few have signed up to this: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1409/detail/
[14:35] <DJones> Would a chicken carcase not go into the recycling waste bin
[14:35] <deej1976> Will they be serving chicken?
[14:36] <hamitron> sounds dangerous
[14:36] <hamitron> :S
[14:37] <DJones> Would it matter what they're serving, it'll be in the dark, they could serve anything and say its something else :)
[14:37] <hamitron> just no hot gravy
[14:37] <hamitron> :/
[14:39] <gordonjcp> daubers: right, but that doesn't mount it anywhere sensible
[14:40] <AlanBell> Specky has gone to a better place \o/
[14:42] <DJones> I'm not sure your stomach is a better place from Specky's point of view
[14:45] <AlanBell> nom
[14:45] <AlanBell> anyhow, Specky was alive last time I saw him, and the guys at the tip asked me to bring him down alive
[14:46] <AlanBell> snowdrop and chocolate were looking a bit frowny when I got home
[14:47] <DJones> Why did you have to get rid of him
[14:47] <AlanBell> noisy
[14:47] <DJones> Isn't that what he's there to do? Male chickens don't do much else
[14:48] <AlanBell> yup, he wasn't supposed to be male
[14:50] <brobostigon> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15690898
[14:55] <DJones> I've had pretty much the same type of conversation, I even booted up the only windows machine in the house at his insistence to go through the commands and at the end, he said yes he could see the problem and could see the error message, then I asked how he could see them because the computer wasn't connected to the internet (which it wasn't and hadn't been for about 6 months)
[14:56] <brobostigon> i am hoping the bbc broadcast that story more widely, as more people need to be informed.
[14:58] <brobostigon> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15690898?postId=110845209#comment_110845209 :)
[15:02] <deej1976> I always say "Perfect my computer doesn't boot I'm stuck at a LI___ prompt"
[15:03] <popey> do they ask for your credit card number over the phone or get you to go to a website and pay?
[15:03] <brobostigon> no ides.
[15:03] <brobostigon> idea*
[15:10] <AlanBell> Laney: video has been pulled whilst they fix the titles
[15:19] <DJones> The call I had wanted a credit card details before tehy could fix it
[15:19] <DJones> Anybody got $25K to buy a motorbike? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230697392979+&viewitem=
[15:21] <buzz_> http://www.digitaltoast.co.uk/supportonclick-systemrecure-scam
[15:30] <mrevell> hi danhg
[15:31] <danhg> hi
[15:31] <Laney> AlanBell: good work
[15:31] <Laney> it should be Leader not Manager
[15:32] <Laney> or whatever it said
[15:32] <AlanBell> I am sure it will be fixed properly
[15:34] <Laney> sure, just letting you know what it shoudl be
[15:59] <dogmatic69> i had a screenshot app, something like shutter or shotwell and it was crap so i apt-get removed it... now i cant make screen shots :/
[16:00] <dogmatic69> how do i get the original one back on?
[16:00] <dogmatic69> it was shutter
[16:02] <davmor2> dogmatic69: open software-center and type in screenshot and pick one the default is take a screenshot which is the gnome tool
[16:03] <davmor2> dogmatic69: it maybe that you just need to change the default app though
[16:03] <dogmatic69> ye i think so, its like the key bindings are wrong now
[16:04] <dogmatic69> just done one the manual way and it worked
[16:04] <dogmatic69> apps -> accessories -> screen shot
[16:09] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] Amstrad Emailer - http://zrmt.com/2011/11/11/amstrad-emailer/
[16:10] <gordonjcp> oh, I remember those
[16:15] <Oli> I'm slightly appalled they weren't discontinued until this year
[16:49] <issyl0> czajkowski: Is Ubuntu doing anything for Google Code-In?
[16:58] <AlanBell> what is that issyl0?
[16:58] <issyl0> AlanBell: http://code.google.com/opensource/gci/2010-11/
[16:59] <issyl0> OK, it appears not: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2011/11/google-code-in-2011-participating.html
[16:59] <issyl0> (Don't worry, czajkowski :-))
[17:17] <DJones> Don't now if this is of any interest to anybody http://www.videoblocks.com/  the first subscription-based resource for downloading royalty-free stock footage, motion backgrounds, production music, sound effects They're offering 7 days of free downloads
[19:29] <zleap> atatra
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> \o
[20:03] <zleap> ricktimms is on radio 2 ]
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> who?
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> </ignorant foreigner>
[20:16] <zleap> does something with oss,  works for thelearning machine or something
[20:16] <zleap> timmis
[20:17] <zleap> http://www.th-eu-nit.com/index.php/contact-us/rick-timmis
[21:02] <RhysMorgan> Evening all
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> \o
[21:04] <RhysMorgan> I have a ubuntu server running on a machine under my stairs. I used to run a load of services on it i.e. web sites and mail etc however i've moved house and now only have ~6mbs so it is painfully slow
[21:04] <mattt> ohai!
[21:04] <RhysMorgan> I want to migrate the server to a data centre
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> RhysMorgan: inside the house or to the interwebs
[21:05] <RhysMorgan> interwebs
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> good, having 6 mbit inside your house would be bad :)
[21:06] <mattt> RhysMorgan: what's your question?
[21:06] <RhysMorgan> I have a KVM hypervisor in Interxion I want to put the machine on, what is the best way to "lift & shift"
[21:06] <RhysMorgan> tar it up and plonk it on?
[21:06] <mattt> that should work?
[21:07] <RhysMorgan> How does the grub/disk uuid stuff work?
[21:08] <RhysMorgan> is it just a case of editing stab?
[21:08] <mattt> RhysMorgan: not sure, any time i've done that sort of thing i've just hard-coded the device (ie. sda1 or whatever)
[21:08] <RhysMorgan> s/stab/fstab
[21:08] <mattt> yeah, and menu.lst i guess
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> RhysMorgan: I'd go for a clean install
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> RhysMorgan: and copy files as needed
[21:08] <mattt> MartijnVdS: i wouldn't, this is more fun
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> RhysMorgan: maybe put a dump of the filesystem somewhere on there so copying files to the right place isn't a hassle
[21:09] <mattt> installing is boring :/
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> (i.e. won't take ages)
[21:09] <RhysMorgan> MartijnVdS: That involves migrating a shedload of cron jobs python scripts/web service mysql db and apache/passenger confs and vhosts
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> it involves that anyway :)
[21:09] <mattt> MartijnVdS: so like, the good thing is ... if you're taking a tar, the worst case scenario is that it doesn't boot on the remote end
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> but copying the fs to a vm and hoping it will boot is Scary®
[21:10] <mattt> MartijnVdS: it's not scurry
[21:10] <RhysMorgan> so the way i wa looking was….
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> mattt: Having spent several _days_ in a dc trying to get a server with important data to boot after something like this
[21:10] <mattt> RhysMorgan: i did this before, i took a VM running at linode and put it on my own xen dom0
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> mattt: it IS scary
[21:10] <RhysMorgan> fresh install, the untag and before reboot edit fstab and grub menu
[21:10] <mattt> worked fine
[21:10] <RhysMorgan> untar*
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> mattt: (that wasn't a vm though)
[21:11] <mattt> MartijnVdS: yeah, there may be issues, i'm not denying that
[21:11] <mattt> but it could be straight-forward
[21:11] <RhysMorgan> ooooh that may be a good idea…. i could boot the physical drive using vmware then snap it and convert the vmdk to qcow2
[21:12] <mattt> MartijnVdS: btw, i'm really lazy
[21:12] <mattt> so i usually choose what is hopefully the quickest solution :P
[21:13] <RhysMorgan> MartijnVdS: the main problem with a fresh install is my memory of things which may not be in the foreground but are used occasionally
[21:21] <mattt> MartijnVdS: out of curiosity, what was preventing you from booting?
[21:22] <MartijnVdS> mattt: the IDE controller, it turned out
[21:22] <MartijnVdS> mattt: and its interaction with grub
[21:22] <MartijnVdS> (this was '05ish)
[21:23] <RhysMorgan> but anything like that is mitigated by doing a fresh install and untar-ing over right?
[21:23] <mattt> RhysMorgan: i don't like that idea
[21:23] <mattt> that sounds like the messiest of all options
[21:23] <RhysMorgan> how so?
[21:23] <MartijnVdS> that would leave files from the fresh install not present in your current fs
[21:23] <mattt> because you'd need to ensure your packages match exactly before doing that
[21:23] <RhysMorgan> I see
[21:24] <mattt> now i've seen bad things doing stuff like that :D
[21:24] <RhysMorgan> ok so create an image with no OS installed then un-tar?
[21:24] <RhysMorgan> i.e. live boot
[21:24] <mattt> RhysMorgan: personally, it'd try it ... failing that, do what MartijnVdS suggests -- a clean install, and move your data over
[21:25]  * AlanBell reads back
[21:25] <mattt> RhysMorgan: make sure you stop all your services before you tar up the live system tho
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> make the .tar using the live cd
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> that's best
[21:25] <mattt> yeah, even better
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> that way /sys and /proc won't be in the way either
[21:25] <RhysMorgan> that's what I had planned
[21:26] <AlanBell> yeah, sounds like a good opportunity to learn more about grub and the boot process and file permissions :)
[21:26] <MartijnVdS> also, fstab and the filesystem uuid
[21:26] <AlanBell> that too
[21:26] <MartijnVdS> while untarring, write it down somewhere ;)
[21:26] <AlanBell> what partitions are there?
[21:27] <RhysMorgan> . /home & /
[21:31] <RhysMorgan> wow, doing a clean up… I have a ton of cr*p on this server
[22:14]  * AlanBell deletes 64GB of log files a customer was backing up every night
[22:15] <mattt> yikes :/
[22:35] <RhysMorgan> I had a customer a few months back who were storing vmdk and ISO images in their offsite backup area totalling 653GB
[22:36] <RhysMorgan> very shortly after that they took my advice to introduce quotas on their users personal shares
[23:15] <ixxvil> hi
[23:15] <ixxvil> is bash the standard shell for ubunutu
[23:15] <ixxvil> ?
[23:20] <AlanBell> yes ixxvil
[23:20] <ixxvil> oh k
[23:20] <AlanBell> except for certain scenarios where it uses dash
[23:20] <ixxvil> dash?
[23:21] <jacobw> debian alchemist shell
[23:21] <jacobw> !dash
[23:21] <lubotu3`> /bin/sh links to the DASH shell in all releases since Ubuntu Edgy (6.10). Since DASH is not 100% compatible with the BASH shell, some scripts might break. You can make scripts execute using BASH by changing the first line of the script to « #! /bin/bash
[23:21] <AlanBell> /bin/sh is a symlink to dash which is a shell which is more posix correct than bash
[23:22] <ixxvil> wow
[23:22] <ixxvil> didnt know
[23:22] <ixxvil> thanks