| rick_h | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/11/valve-confirms-steam-hack-credit-cards-personal-info-may-be-stolen.ars | 00:25 |
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| rick_h | oh joy | 00:25 |
| snap-l | Apache security fix released. | 02:27 |
| rick_h | yay | 02:28 |
| snap-l | Also posted on the mailing list about the CDs and distribution | 02:28 |
| jjesse | evening | 02:29 |
| snap-l | Good evening. | 02:30 |
| jjesse | snowing on that side of the state? | 02:30 |
| snap-l | Not yet | 02:30 |
| rick_h | little bit earlier | 02:30 |
| snap-l | Apparently if you're not warm of heart like us in the D | 02:30 |
| jjesse | 94 between Marshall and 131 was down to 30 mph | 02:30 |
| snap-l | ;) | 02:31 |
| jjesse | because of the snow | 02:33 |
| snap-l | Yeah, Michigan doesn't do well with precipitation | 02:33 |
| snap-l | Yay, JoDee's home. Time to get some dinner. | 02:34 |
| snap-l | brb | 02:34 |
| jrwren | :( | 02:56 |
| jrwren | cursed snow. | 02:56 |
| jrwren | cursed late dinner. | 02:57 |
| jrwren | cursed apache security | 02:57 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Are you now a Hannah Barbera villan? "Curses!" | 03:42 |
| === ratman is now known as Guest81551 | ||
| === DeaCon is now known as mydogsnameisrudy | ||
| Wolfger | \o/ | 12:54 |
| rick_h | party | 12:55 |
| Wolfger | I have my IRC back today! | 12:55 |
| brousch | is that why it was so quiet yesterday? | 12:55 |
| Wolfger | and it's Friday \o/ | 12:55 |
| Wolfger | and it's snowing \o/ | 12:55 |
| Wolfger | oh wait | 12:55 |
| Wolfger | and it's snowing :-( | 12:55 |
| Wolfger | and I'm editing perl scripts \o/ | 12:58 |
| rick_h | lol | 12:58 |
| rick_h | I was afk most of the day | 12:58 |
| rick_h | blame me for quiet, little ranting to do | 12:59 |
| Wolfger | ah, and here I thought the moral of yesterday was "if you want rick_h to see something, you need to send it in IRC, not e-mail" | 12:59 |
| Wolfger | LOL | 12:59 |
| rick_h | I saw your thing and checked it out | 13:23 |
| rick_h | thought I replied to you about it? | 13:23 |
| === smoser` is now known as smoser | ||
| snap-l | Ugh | 13:30 |
| rick_h | snap-l: and brousch http://www.blog.pythonlibrary.org/2011/11/10/wxpython-and-sqlalchemy-an-intro-to-mvc-and-crud/ | 13:30 |
| brousch | old news. i saw that half an hour ago | 13:31 |
| rick_h | brousch: :P | 13:31 |
| brousch | :-D | 13:31 |
| rick_h | sorry, I'm a bit late getting up this morning, had to take the boy to day care | 13:31 |
| brousch | although if i had actually read the whole thing i would probably be getting done right about now | 13:31 |
| rick_h | looks solid for you gui types | 13:31 |
| Wolfger | rick_h: yeah, you replied. I got your reply late in the evening. I sent it before lunch I think... | 13:31 |
| rick_h | Wolfger: yea, that's my fault. I checked it out from my phone when you sent it, but was afk | 13:32 |
| brousch | nobody makes desktop applications these days | 13:32 |
| rick_h | I didn't reply until later in the day when I got some laptop time | 13:32 |
| rick_h | brousch: bwuhaha! the corruption is near complete | 13:32 |
| Wolfger | rick_h: no problem at all. I was just bored and without IRC to keep me company :-p | 13:32 |
| snap-l | Right, because there's a web service for collecting Arduino data | 13:33 |
| snap-l | <- cranky. ;) | 13:33 |
| brousch | snap-l: i assume you use a command line program that ships it up to a web service | 13:33 |
| snap-l | In real time? | 13:34 |
| brousch | close enough | 13:34 |
| brousch | use those web sockets things | 13:34 |
| snap-l | Yes, because every lab needs a dependency on Node. ;) | 13:35 |
| brousch | now you're getting it | 13:36 |
| brousch | you want to view it on your android tablet, right? | 13:37 |
| brousch | like on star trek where the engineers walk around with padds adjusting things | 13:38 |
| rick_h | snap-l: http://bret.appspot.com/entry/web-sockets-in-tornado | 13:44 |
| rick_h | no node, but you did just get a node book | 13:44 |
| * snap-l considers writing all of this in VB6 | 13:45 | |
| snap-l | The way that God intended. ;) | 13:45 |
| brousch | vb.net | 13:46 |
| brousch | you can get a free visual studio-based IDE from microsoft to help you | 13:47 |
| brousch | http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/products/2010-editions/visual-basic-express | 13:47 |
| brousch | i'm sure jrwren would be happy to answer any questions | 13:48 |
| jrwren | snap-l: I do love saying "curses" because of Hannah Barbera villans and because it is safe around my 4yo. | 13:50 |
| jrwren | snap-l: what rae you writing in VB6? | 13:50 |
| jrwren | and, yes, I would. | 13:50 |
| jrwren | but... for desktop GUI, F# is awesome. I wrote a GTK# twitter client in 104 lines of code. | 13:51 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I'm kidding | 13:52 |
| snap-l | I'd sooner write something in Java Swing than VB, not because I think VB isn't that great, but because Java Swing is more portable | 13:53 |
| snap-l | (And yes, I know Mono is supposed to fix that) | 13:53 |
| brousch | tkinter | 13:53 |
| * snap-l stops making sense and joins a circus. | 13:53 | |
| snap-l | brousch: Don't make me ship myself to you to choke you. ;) | 13:54 |
| brousch | what's wrong with tk? | 13:54 |
| brousch | it even has a set of less-ugly widgets now | 13:54 |
| * snap-l tried learning TCL / TK early on becuase it was the "least painful at the time" way to make GUI application | 13:55 | |
| snap-l | s | 13:55 |
| snap-l | And while TK was the saner part of the dynamic duo, it was still pretty miserable. | 13:56 |
| * snap-l did not like TCL | 13:56 | |
| Wolfger | yeah, I would not recommend tk for any purpose, I don't think. | 13:57 |
| brousch | it's right in the python standard lib | 13:58 |
| snap-l | brousch: That's fine. It can stay there. | 14:00 |
| snap-l | You know who else was in the Python Standard Library? | 14:01 |
| snap-l | Hitler. | 14:01 |
| brousch | i don't see that anywhere. i think you're making it up | 14:02 |
| Wolfger | bwahahaha | 14:03 |
| Wolfger | yeah, after looking at wx, I can't imagine ever torturing myself with tk again | 14:04 |
| snap-l | Hitler was totally a fan of whitespace | 14:04 |
| * snap-l stops before he gets a CoC violation | 14:05 | |
| brousch | hitler could be a module that enforces strict pep8. all pep8 warnings cause exceptions | 14:05 |
| brousch | like rick_h is standing behind you with a taser as you code | 14:05 |
| Wolfger | o_0 did brousch just compare rick_h to hitler? | 14:07 |
| ColonelPanic001 | they do both have mustaches | 14:07 |
| brousch | they do? | 14:09 |
| Wolfger | I think hitler just had really bushy nose hair. | 14:12 |
| jrwren | snap-l: mono doesn't do anything for vb6 portability | 14:14 |
| jrwren | LOL @ hitler in PSL | 14:15 |
| jrwren | oh... now THAT is a software dev methodology in itself. " rick_h is standing behind you with a taser as you code" | 14:16 |
| Wolfger | jrwren: Yeah, that's kind of like "write your code as though it will have to be maintained by an angry axe murderer who knows where you live" | 14:17 |
| Wolfger | except less lethal and more immediate | 14:17 |
| jrwren | yes, and more personal. | 14:18 |
| jrwren | not only do i not worry about crossing the line... but I can also actively try to do great and make rick_h happy | 14:18 |
| snap-l | How have we lived before virtual machines and emulators? | 14:36 |
| snap-l | Poorly, I must confess. | 14:36 |
| Wolfger | what's a virtual machine? | 14:48 |
| * Wolfger still lives poorly | 14:48 | |
| snap-l | Set up Virtualbox | 14:53 |
| rick_h | wtf, I leave for an hour and I'm now in the std lib for python? sweet! | 14:54 |
| brousch | from hitler import rick_h | 14:55 |
| rick_h | from hitler import TaserRick | 14:56 |
| rick_h | try: TaserRick.validate() | 14:56 |
| rick_h | EXCEPTION: You have angered Rick, prepare for the shock! | 14:56 |
| brousch | more effective than the jenkins nerf missile launcher thing | 14:57 |
| Wolfger | oh, great... he actually *likes* the idea of being a taser-wielding code nazi. We're all doomed. | 14:59 |
| Wolfger | on the plus side, code will look much nicer | 15:00 |
| rick_h | purdy! | 15:00 |
| * Wolfger wonders when TaserRick will become integrated into LaunchPad for the "benefit" of everybody's PPA... | 15:03 | |
| rick_h | heh, there's already stuff there. Why I'm joining | 15:03 |
| ColonelPanic001 | someone needs to write a PythonTidy sort of thing, but call it TaserRick, and with every found problem, it says "ZAP" | 15:07 |
| snap-l | Not sure if there's a USB cattle prod, but that's a requirement | 15:08 |
| snap-l | warnings, .5 seconds | 15:09 |
| snap-l | errors, 2 seconds. | 15:09 |
| rick_h | I think it'll have to come from the higher ups | 15:09 |
| rick_h | supplied in the office chairs | 15:09 |
| rick_h | "sweet, this pace has cool motorized powered office chairs!" | 15:09 |
| rick_h | booo, local verizon didn't have a live razr phone to play with | 15:10 |
| Wolfger | hah | 15:10 |
| rick_h | useless | 15:10 |
| snap-l | http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/11/researchers-show-how-to-break-quantum-cryptography-by-faking-quantum-entanglement.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss | 15:11 |
| snap-l | What... the... fuck... | 15:11 |
| brousch | not to be pedantic, but the speech bubble in the picture is on the wrong character. skroob isn't even in the frame | 15:13 |
| brousch | now i can't take the article content seriously | 15:13 |
| snap-l | Yeah, because article content is totally dependent on the images used | 15:16 |
| snap-l | I totally disregard articles when they have images that don't fit the article at all | 15:16 |
| snap-l | (only half-kidding) | 15:16 |
| === jcastro_ is now known as jcastro | ||
| brousch | the idea behind the picture is OK, it's the execution that is fail | 15:18 |
| ColonelPanic001 | In VIM, can I have fancy stuff where instead of just simple completion with ctrl+p, I can get things like php docs, so when I do it on, say "array_push", it'll tell me the syntax? | 15:21 |
| rick_h | yea, I had that working when I was doing php ColonelPanic001 | 15:21 |
| brousch | ColonelPanic001: all of that is built into eclipse | 15:21 |
| rick_h | ColonelPanic001: https://github.com/mitechie/vim | 15:21 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I don't mind doing the legwork - any idea where to start looking? | 15:21 |
| rick_h | that's my old php config | 15:21 |
| rick_h | check that out | 15:22 |
| ColonelPanic001 | brousch: I know, I miss it from doing Android stuff in Eclipse ;) | 15:22 |
| ColonelPanic001 | rick_h: thanks | 15:22 |
| ColonelPanic001 | will-do | 15:22 |
| brousch | trollfail :( | 15:22 |
| rick_h | yea, looks like I had C-u mapped to phpdoc comand | 15:22 |
| rick_h | we just ignore you brousch | 15:22 |
| brousch | i don't blame you | 15:23 |
| ColonelPanic001 | ;) | 15:23 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I know it's a hanging offense, but I hve to admit to liking Eclipse for that kind of thing | 15:23 |
| ColonelPanic001 | really brings down the learning curve when suddenly I have to do an android app, and have done a total of 50 lines of crappy Java | 15:24 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I understand if you all want me to leave now. | 15:24 |
| brousch | ColonelPanic001: i started using netbeans when i was learning java. i didn't actually read a java book, i just scrolled through the autocompletes and javadocs looking for what made sense | 15:24 |
| ColonelPanic001 | same here, with Eclipse, and for Android | 15:25 |
| rick_h | ColonelPanic001: yea, I think everyone admits it helps with the learning curve | 15:25 |
| ColonelPanic001 | developer.android.com on the left monitor, Eclipse on the right | 15:25 |
| rick_h | but it does tend to lead to people that don't learn | 15:25 |
| ColonelPanic001 | rick_h: pfft learning | 15:25 |
| brousch | learning is for chumps. all that matters is doing! | 15:25 |
| ColonelPanic001 | nah, I agree, I just could use the occasional "wtf is the order for the array and thing to add to it in this crappy function?" | 15:26 |
| rick_h | RickTaser.irc_activate(level=1111) | 15:26 |
| ColonelPanic001 | haha | 15:26 |
| brousch | oh crap, i think i have the pidgin plugin for that activated | 15:27 |
| ColonelPanic001 | *zzzzzzzzzt* | 15:27 |
| brousch | luckily my desll doesn't have the hardware support | 15:27 |
| brousch | dell | 15:27 |
| Wolfger | snap-l: interesting article, but I am increasingly of the opinion that quantum physics is just a big boondoggle. | 15:28 |
| brousch | all i got was a notification popup | 15:28 |
| Wolfger | I think when you take quantum physics classes in college, they sign you to an NDA and then fill you in that it's all a bunch of bunk that sounds sciencey enough to get the suits to keep throwing money at them for "research" | 15:29 |
| ColonelPanic001 | ask _stink_ | 15:30 |
| ColonelPanic001 | that's the impression I get from 'string theory' | 15:30 |
| ColonelPanic001 | seems like any time anyone mentions physics, someone will throw that word in, but I never hear wtf it *is*, except for once in a while "it's a mathematical model that may or may not have any real use or relevance at all" | 15:31 |
| Wolfger | heh | 15:31 |
| Wolfger | I suppose what really makes it all seem even worse than it is, is the fact that the common person's only exposure to it is via journalists. | 15:32 |
| ColonelPanic001 | yeah | 15:32 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I'm dumb. How does one go about getting this 'phpdoc' command? I'm not finding the package. php-doc doesn't seem to be it | 15:33 |
| brousch | string theory states that if you use enough complicated math and big words you can keep stringing people along for funding | 15:33 |
| snap-l | string theory is what happens when Math and Physics tries to fill in the blank spaces. | 15:37 |
| snap-l | see also: Dark Matter | 15:37 |
| _stink_ | holy crap, something i know something about | 16:08 |
| ColonelPanic001 | wat | 16:08 |
| ColonelPanic001 | yes | 16:08 |
| brousch | _stink_: i was under the impression that if you say you understand string theory then you do not understand string theory | 16:08 |
| ColonelPanic001 | tell us, is quantum phyics all bullshit, and the same for string theory | 16:08 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I've never really heard anyone who would really know, say anything much about string theory | 16:09 |
| _stink_ | brousch: hah. wasn't it Feynman who said that about quantum field theory? | 16:09 |
| ColonelPanic001 | seems like it's a buzzword to toss out there to make yourself sound like you might know stuff, or just because you heard it and it sounds neat | 16:09 |
| ColonelPanic001 | yeah | 16:09 |
| ColonelPanic001 | "I think I can safely say that no one understand quantum theory" | 16:09 |
| ColonelPanic001 | paraphrased, don't remember exactly | 16:09 |
| _stink_ | here's the thing you need to remember about string theory | 16:10 |
| ColonelPanic001 | they get lost in the dryer | 16:10 |
| _stink_ | at the moment it's totally untestable. | 16:10 |
| snap-l | It's a theory | 16:10 |
| _stink_ | so it's just a bunch of math. | 16:10 |
| ColonelPanic001 | IT'S JUST A THEORY | 16:10 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I believe in intelligent phyics | 16:10 |
| _stink_ | and there's no obvious way to turn it into anything testable. | 16:11 |
| snap-l | _stink_: Well, it has about as much chance of being tested definitively as LIGO has for finding gravitational waves. | 16:11 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I believe in lego physics | 16:11 |
| snap-l | i.e. None. | 16:11 |
| _stink_ | see, that word 'theory' blows. people call Relativity a theory. that word is meaningless. | 16:11 |
| Milyardo | Well no one doubts Relativity much many more, even though it was the Science Buzz word before String theory | 16:11 |
| ColonelPanic001 | quarks are held together by little bumps and wholes | 16:11 |
| ColonelPanic001 | holes | 16:11 |
| _stink_ | whales | 16:11 |
| snap-l | ColonelPanic001: Whores. | 16:11 |
| _stink_ | or that. | 16:11 |
| Milyardo | And the average person still doesn't understand relativity | 16:11 |
| ColonelPanic001 | bumps on whores? | 16:11 |
| _stink_ | schwing! | 16:12 |
| ColonelPanic001 | sure we do. hand on stove, sitting next to pretty girl, etc. Einstein explained it all. | 16:12 |
| _stink_ | but about quantum physics in general: | 16:12 |
| snap-l | Quantum Physics is where Newtonian physics goes for a hit of LSD | 16:13 |
| _stink_ | it contains testable predictions that have been verified *orders of magnitude* more precisely than any other theory. | 16:13 |
| _stink_ | PERIOD. | 16:13 |
| _stink_ | it can hardly be more legit. | 16:13 |
| _stink_ | that shit is real. | 16:14 |
| ColonelPanic001 | and so it shall not quit | 16:14 |
| _stink_ | hey, hey! | 16:14 |
| snap-l | _stink_: Do you understand Quantum Mechanics? | 16:14 |
| snap-l | (JoDee asking) | 16:14 |
| _stink_ | i smell a punchline | 16:14 |
| snap-l | (Very Good) | 16:15 |
| _stink_ | lulz | 16:15 |
| snap-l | (Because you smell a punchline, your statements are accurate) | 16:15 |
| snap-l | Apparently this is the secret handshake of Quantum Physicists. | 16:15 |
| _stink_ | :D | 16:15 |
| _stink_ | snap-l: tell her that her pal Pushkal is defending his Ph.D. sometime soon | 16:16 |
| snap-l | I think too the reason String Theory gets any credence is because the math "works" much in the same way that Quantum Math "works" | 16:16 |
| snap-l | _stink_: (That's wonderful!) | 16:16 |
| _stink_ | snap-l: "work" as in "predicts fucking crazy shit that would be awesome and confusing if it were real"? | 16:17 |
| snap-l | Works, as in predicts crazy shit that, when we get the right equipment, appears to predict the crazy shit we're now able to observe | 16:18 |
| snap-l | (and yes, I know quantum observation is an oxymoron) | 16:19 |
| _stink_ | naw, works fine for me. | 16:19 |
| _stink_ | YOU BROKE THE WAVEFUNCTION | 16:19 |
| _stink_ | i need a shirt that says that | 16:19 |
| snap-l | _stink_: We were going to get shirts made up that said "I'm braking your wave function" | 16:19 |
| snap-l | er, breaking | 16:20 |
| _stink_ | lulz | 16:20 |
| _stink_ | that would be awesome | 16:20 |
| _stink_ | then turn a lowercase psi upsidedown and make it a frowny face | 16:20 |
| snap-l | You know what that smell is? The smell of money being left on the table. | 16:21 |
| brousch | d00d, get sheldon on big bang to wear it and you will be rich | 16:21 |
| _stink_ | haha | 16:21 |
| _stink_ | brousch: you're the graphics guy. | 16:22 |
| brousch | that is scary | 16:22 |
| snap-l | Sleep dep + allergy medication + Quantum = awesome | 16:24 |
| _stink_ | quick google shows no good competing design on a shirt. | 16:31 |
| ColonelPanic001 | do it | 16:31 |
| snap-l | http://decafbad.net/2011/11/11/1devday-detroit-the-cure-for-the-9-5-developer/ | 16:46 |
| brousch | "Highly informative, and definitely a kick in the pants for anyone out there content to find the one-true-language." :P | 16:52 |
| snap-l | Well, consider web development requires you to learn two languages before you even start | 16:53 |
| snap-l | Javascript and whatever else you're developing in | 16:54 |
| snap-l | not to mention HTML and CSS | 16:54 |
| brousch | pyjamas lets me compile python to javascript! | 16:54 |
| snap-l | http://www.ccrnp.ncifcrf.gov/~toms/p2c/daves.index.html | 16:55 |
| brousch | 404 | 16:59 |
| snap-l | try harder. | 17:07 |
| snap-l | http://www.meijer.com/s/big-steals/_/N-5io?CAWELAID=677385714&cmpid=dsfri | 17:10 |
| brousch | snap-l: hm, it looks like a dns problem | 18:09 |
| Wolfger | what a waste of a day | 18:31 |
| Wolfger | I just spent all day looking into a "problem" regarding data we collected back in March. The problem was fixed in April. No wonder I can't see anything wrong :-/ | 18:33 |
| _stink_ | WontFix | 18:34 |
| Wolfger | DidFix | 18:37 |
| Wolfger | can't tamper with data that was received due to the bug, but the bug itself was killed. | 18:37 |
| Wolfger | worst part is, the guy complaining today is the same guy I worked with to identify this problem back in April | 18:38 |
| _stink_ | heh | 18:38 |
| Wolfger | we both completely forgot we'd already dealt with this | 18:38 |
| Wolfger | Must be a slow news day. For 11/11/11, SI is doing the top 11 players to ever wear #11. | 18:40 |
| jjesse | they are probably sick of penn state stuff | 18:46 |
| snap-l | http://candlelightrecordsusa.bandcamp.com/album/time-is-up <- Man, wish Candlelight was CC-friendly. ;) | 19:13 |
| Milyardo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/apt/+bug/56125 | 19:31 |
| greg-g | Milyardo: thanks for the laugh :) | 20:01 |
| brousch | wtf, tjagoda got a reply from the Saruman twitter account | 20:26 |
| ColonelPanic001 | he's screwed | 20:34 |
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